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BTSC Talks With Dale Lolley After The 2009 NFL Draft

It is my pleasure to finally bring Dale Lolley on to Behind The Steel Curtain. It's been on my agenda for...well, sadly, for well over a year. Many of you know of Lolley's fine work at his blog NFL From The Sidelines, but he also is one of the senior contributors at Steel City Insider and a regular reporter for the Observer-Reporter. Be sure to bookmark his pages and look for his insights at all three sites year round. Lolley was kind enough to answer a few questions I had following the conclusion of the 2009 NFL Draft this past weekend. - Blitz-

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BTSC: There was a recent discussion on BTSC about Kevin Colbert's place amongst the game's best GMs. I think the argument is a pointless one because it seems to me from a distance that it's more a matter of which organizations place the biggest emphasis on scouting, and which GMs have the best (and most) scouts gathering all the data, then using the scouts and other 'football' people around them while evaluating that vast sea of scouting information. I was hoping you could share with us some of your expertise and first hand knowledge about the general subject - perhaps just how extensive the scouting departments are in the NFL, how they vary from organization to organization, and how variance there may be in how GMs constructively utilize the multitude of informed opinions around them.

Lolley: Obviously some teams look at the draft differently than others. When Marvin Lewis took over the Bengals, they had two college scouts and nobody who looked into the background of players. The results were obvious. The Steelers, since I began covering them in 1993, have always placed an emphasis on college scouting, breaking their men up into areas. Since Kevin Colbert took over, they have even expanded their scouting a little bit, adding some extra sets of eyes to check players out. The Steelers also use people like the great Bill Nunn to help them in the scouting process as well. Their scouts are always up on possible trouble with recruits off the field and they leave no stone unturned.

 

BTSC: How much of an impact do you see Ziggy Hood having in 2009?

Lolley: I see Ziggy getting some time as a situational pass rusher and wedge buster on special teams. Unless they have a spate of injuries, I don't see him playing a lot. Maybe five or six defensive snaps per game. He's got a lot to learn in terms of how to play this defense, but his skill-set lends itself to pushing the pocket and rushing the passer, something he can help with immediately.

 

BTSC: Will A.Q Shipley ever be able to block Hlati Ngata adequately to become the Steelers center of the future?  (He lasted a long time on the board, but seems to have locals excited.)

Lolley: Watch the game film of Penn State's bowl game against USC for all you need to know about Shipley. The Trojans basically had their entire defensive front drafted, but Shipley dominated them. He's undersized for sure, but the center position is a help position, not a one-on-one blocking position - even when the other team's playing a 3-4.

 

BTSC:  Do you think Kraig Urbik will be a starter this year? If so, is there any chance that it's Chris K's spot and not Darnell Stapleton's that he takes over?

Lolley: I do think Urbik will start this year. Maybe not right out of the gate, but I expect the switch to be made at some point during the season. But it will be for Stapleton, not Kemoeatu. They did, after all, just give Kemoeatu a boatload of money.

 

BTSC: The one thing some fans are wandering is why no offensive tackle in the first or second round. In your estimation, is there anything worth mentioning other than the front office must not have felt any of the Tackles remaining were worth selecting at that juncture based on their draft board? Were they perhaps unsuccessful in an attempt to trade up?

Lolley: Like last year, there weren't any tackles they felt good enough to draft where they were picking once it came to their pick. They wanted to trade up in the second round to nab Max Unger, who they had rated just after Hood, but were unable to find anyone to work with. The Steelers are also comfortable with their tackles. Starks played well at left tackle last season and Colon is still getting better. They really wanted to upgrade the interior.

 

BTSC: Most intriguing potential future contributor that will not make the 53 man roster in '09 from this year's draft class?

Lolley: I think A.Q. Shipley is going to have a tough time making the final 53 because he's strictly a center. They'll hope the hometown pull will keep him on their practice squad.

 

BTSC: Will Mike Wallace earn the primary KR duties in camp and preseason for the season opener against Tennessee?

Lolley: If Wallace isn't the kickoff return man, it will be because of injury. He's very, very good and very, very fast.

 

BTSC: Frank Summers will make the 53 man roster and have a few rushing attempts in addition to his special teams assignments. True/False?

Lolley: True. That's why he was picked, he can contribute in multiple ways.

 

BTSC: Number of 2009 draft picks that make the 53-man roster?

Lolley: I haven't seen them practice yet, so it's strictly a guess, but I'll say six.

 

BTSC: Which of the other three AFC North teams had the best draft?

Lolley: I liked what Baltimore did solidifying its line. Have to protect the young quarterback.

 

 

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great stuff

Thanks for coming by, Dale – I (and a lot of the other posters here, I believe) really enjoy your blog.

by acrollet on Apr 30, 2009 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks guys

Having Dale here at the Curtain is a real “you got chocolate in my peanut butter” moment.

I’d like to hear more about the “helper” capacity at center, though. I forget who among the veteran bloggers here did the nice explanation of the Steelers defense by position, but something along those lines for the C would be interesting to me.

by betelgeuse on Apr 30, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think it’s just the Steelers. You can’t isolate your center because if the DT gets a jump on the snap the center can’t get a good position. Without help a Center could get run over before he is able to block.

One of the strengths of AQ is he gets up quick of the snap, I think AQ is good enough to win a spot on the team because he will win match ups and someone will take him if we PS him. The kid just beats people.

Sure he can score goals, but can he cook?

by Phantaskippy on May 1, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

that was the most violent team what ever happened to that guy one thing i would like to know is how big was mike webster i keep reading about how shipley reminds alot of people of mike webster was he an undersized guy too??

by MAN_OF_STEEL_86 on Apr 30, 2009 11:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Webster was 6'1, 255

Shipley is 6’0, 305

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on May 1, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Different era

O-line guys weighed 240-260 those days.

by SteelerBuddha on May 1, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree...

I was just showing the stats

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on May 1, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, true

BTW – Webby came in at 225. It wasn’t till after and insane amount of hard work and probably a fair amount of steriods that he bulked up to 250-260.

by SteelerBuddha on May 2, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

…with 40" arms and 12" hands.

by robert ethan on May 1, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 college scouts?

Why not just get a crew of volunteer fans to watch a lot of games on TV?

Bungles.

Webb was tiny. The Steelers had no idea he would be very good until he started winning battles.

Sure he can score goals, but can he cook?

by Phantaskippy on May 1, 2009 1:38 AM EDT reply actions  

The more film from last season I watch the more I think Urbik is going to win the RG spot. Stapes was just a revolving door at times. It almost looks like they stopped trying to blitze the edge around Colon and just started sending folks up the middle between Hartwig and the Stapler.

by BluegrassSteeler on May 1, 2009 2:03 AM EDT reply actions  

AQ continues to be somewhat of an enigma

On one hand Lolley says he dominated Southern Cal and all their future NFL players, then says he will have trouble making the 53 roster because he’s strictly a center. I think that’s overrated. So what if he is strictly a center? Mike Webster was strictly a center. When you have a center you are happy with, or any other position, you might not move that guy around anyway. Dermontti Dawson came in as a G/C, but immediately began playing center and never needed that position flexibility again. Did Hartings ever play guard for us? It seems to me that position flexibility should apply more to back-ups, like utility guys in baseball. It’s valuable to have back-ups who can fill in at multiple positions. Bottom line, if AQ can play a mean center, then I don’t care what else he can or can’t do.

Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history

by maryrose on May 1, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah but

he’s not going to replace Hartwig at Center this year so he’s really competing for a backup interior line spot and his lack of flexibility is a negative for that position

by schnifin on May 1, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he's good enough

I’ll gladly wait for 2010 and keep hime safely on the 53.

Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history

by maryrose on May 1, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shipley has to beat out D. Stapleton for roster spot

Some people here are talking about C/G D. Stapleton like he was flat out awful this past year. He wasn’t. He was an improvement over Kendall Simmons and he held his own in the 3 games and victories against Baltimore. He had a rough Super Bowl going against Darnell Dockett, but Dockett is an all-pro DT, a lot of OL have had rough days going up against him.

Something that Stapleton can do is play both guard positions as well as center. Since this past year was his first time starting ever, maybe he makes a jump this year as well as improve on his strength and technique. He’s a center that can play guard, not a natural guard who can play center in a pinch.

A.Q. Shipley will have his opportunity, but let’s not treat D. Stapleton like he’s not worthy of a Steelers uniform. I think he’s an upgrade over Kendall Simmons and believe that he played better than Willie Colon this past year, minus the Super Bowl.

Blitz, I’d still like to see that interview with Mike Mayock of NFL.com talking about all things Steelers. Maybe even Pat Kirwan from NFL.com, since he seems to know a lot of things about the Steelers that some times the mainstream media misses.

by datruth4life on May 1, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree, sort of. He was better than Simmons was last year, but he still wasn’t very good. I think between Shipley, Urbick and Stapletone, only 2 guys can make the team. I’m hoping Urbick can come in and start and Stapleton shows enough to be the backup at both center and guard.

by Cols714 on May 1, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stapleton young enough to improve

Yes it is definitely too soon to write Stapler out of the picture because he’s still young and should improve. But I see him as a quality interior backup for at least a few more years. Just makes it easier to be able to sub one guy in at any of three positions rather than shuffling two guys around in case of injury. Shipley could surprise and if Hartwig gets hurt, he might get a chance to be the replacement starter and keep Stapleton wherever he is, either starting RG or backup. The key is Urbik. In 1995 Brendan Stai was drafted in the third round out of Nebraska and ended up starting most of that year at RG for a team that went to the Super Bowl. Urbik is a similar wide-bodied player from another good offensive line program, with size and toughness.

by steeler.lifer on May 1, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

My hat’s off to Dale Lolley……anyone brave enough to go on the internet with that many "L"s, "O"s, and "L"s in his name deserves respect.

All those old Steelers were barely over 200 pounds till they got to Pittsburgh and were put on a special diet. :)

by robert ethan on May 1, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Can someone please explain.....

…..The “Colon is still getting better” joke? I don’t get!

by Marvin, The Paranoid Android on May 1, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

colon is being cleansed

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on May 2, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

During the 2008-9 season

Colon only jumped offsides on 25% of plays and only held on 15% of plays. He has promised to raise both of those numbers next year. If all goes well he could jump offsides on at least on third of all snaps and get whistled for holding on a quarter.

by SteelerBuddha on May 2, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

More importanly

He will try to increase the number of touchdowns call back because of his holding. That’s a big challenge. Really the timing of his penalties is amazing.

by mikemex on May 4, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

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