Steeler Draft Grades and Analysis (Late)
Editor's Note: Many thanks to HSS for his writeup and analysis about the 2009 NFL Draft for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Well done as usual from the young'n. If there was one player that I would disagree with his assessment about it would be Ra'Shon Harris. The DL out of Oregon most certainly has a steep hill to climb to make it in the National Football League, but I actually view him as a player with tremendous sleeper potential due to being a late bloomer physically. Take a look at photos of him during college and then during mini-camps. He looks much more toned and fit already. Anyway, I don't think it was a bad pick in the 6th Round by the Steelers front office. I also think that the Burnett pick was a fantastic one. Kid can flat out play football - great natural instincts for the game. Definitely the type of player that will find a way to make plays, in whatever capacity possible. Regardless well done and much appreciated. -Blitz-
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Another year come and gone, and another new crop of rookies for us to mold into the stars of tomorrow. Sorry to get a little cheesy there but as most of you know I'm pretty damn passionate when it comes to the draft. Here are my thoughts on the newest Pittsburgh Steelers. I apologize for this being late, but if the NFL can do it, so can I.
Before I do anything else, let me take a moment to pause and grieve for a fine young man, now lost to the bowels of Cleveland; the person I speak of is of course is Alex Mack. I'll always remember what could have been, but at the same time I have to laugh at a moronic pick by Cleveland. Sure, Mack is a great prospect, but the Brownies passed up on many more players who could have filled much bigger needs. Regardless, Alex Mack is a Brown now, and the time for feeling sorry for him will soon come to an end when we face the Browns in the upcoming season.
Anyway onto our picks.

Round 1-Ziggy Hood, DL, Missouri
The Good: Ziggy is an athletic defensive lineman with a great motor and an even better attitude. At, 6'3" 300+ lbs, Hood has top end strength, and is a guy who can definitely push people around, and has the speed and moves to be devastating. He excels at rushing the passer, which, in a 3-4 scheme, will be harder to do for a defensive lineman, but will add hell to our already devastating outside rush. His character itself speaks volumes about him as a person and a player. Hood is the type of competitor who just doesn't quit, and gives his all on every play. At Mizzou, he was looked to as a leader on and off the field, and was a top force for opponents in the Big 12.
The Bad: Ziggy is not accustomed to being 3-4 DE, but instead a 4-3 DT. He played with a much-less complex Mizzou-playbook, in contrast to the highly intricate workings of Dick LeBeau, and the 3-4 scheme. In addition to making the move to end, he'll also have to improve his run defense which has been inconsistent at times. The Steelers themselves, as they do so often, will wait on Ziggy, who will have an immense challenge at adapting to a 5-technique, 3-4 DE.
Bottom Line: What the future holds for Hood is unclear, as it is for any player, but it will ultimately come down to his ability to adapt to the Steelers system. I could see Hood having trouble in succeeding in our defense, but based on his work ethic, character, and overall talent, I could see Hood turning into a tough defensive end, and an important piece in our dominant defense.
Grade: B+
Round 3, Pick A-Kraig Urbik, OL, Wisconsin
The Good: Big, Physical Mauler who will most likely challenge Stapleton for the RG position. Urbik has power, and ideal size for his position-6'6", 320+ lbs. He's also known for a nasty blue-collar attitude that will fit in just right with our organization. In addition to character he's versatile to play tackle or guard on either side.
The Bad: Poor footwork. On a video shown by the NFL after Urbik was drafted, the NFL Network Team explained how he wasn't all that great one on one in space in pass protection. These flaws can lead to multiple holding calls if he's not corrected.
Bottom Line: Again and again it has been said that Urbik may not be a star, but his versatility combined with a good attitude and work ethic could mean a very long career in the NFL. Look for him to possibly press either Stapleton or Willie Colon in training camp and the rest of the preseason.
Grade: B
Round 3, Pick B-Mike Wallace, WR, Ole Miss
The Good: Wallace is blazing fast. Though his combine 40 time and his pro day say 4.33, Mike Mayock said that he clocked him at 4.28. It's a wonder Al Davis didn't get him right? In addition to his pure speed, Wallace has a great vertical as well posting 40" at the combine. This makes his 6' size a lot more dangerous down field. His addition to the team should make up for the loss of Nate Washington and maybe even then some. On top of all that, Wallace is also an accomplished kickreturner, and had 2 return TDs at Ole Miss.
The Bad: Despite his supreme athleticism, Wallace does have some flaws, as with any prospect. Though his hands are reportedly better than average, he'll repeatedly let the ball into his pads resulting in some nasty drops. We'll have to see how frequent this happens and if that is something that he can eliminate with experience. In addition to that, Wallace is hard to place as route runner.For the routes that he's accustomed too he'll be fine, but when asked to do new routes from a new playbook, Wallace may struggle. Although he shows and has stated a willingness to block, his slim frame may hinder him in that aspect of the game.
Came from a rough background in New Orleans where out of his 5 siblings, 1 brother is in jail, another brother was shot and killed several years back, and one of his sisters was recently shot but ended up being alright (don't have an exact link for this, but I've gathered it from several sources including an interview with Wallace I believe). Though it doesn't appear to be an issue, you have to be a little wary of any character problems that may arise, something I'm not too worried about.
Bottom Line: Quite possibly my favorite pick in this draft, Wallace could become a deadly receiver. In addition to adding a much more dynamic threat to the return game from day 1, he will also push Sweed and McDonald for playing time. Though I'll be pulling for Sweed, that's gonna be one hell of a position battle. Ultimately I see Mike Wallace not only replacing Nate Washington, but surpassing him as well.
Grade: A-
Round 3, Pick C-Keenan Lewis, CB, Oregon State
The Good: Lewis has drawn a lot of comparison to current Steeler corner Ike Taylor in his style of play. Considering that Ike has recently been a stud in our pass defense, that is definitely a good thing. Lewis is big for a corner standing at 6'1" 208 lbs and yet can still run in the high 4.4's and low 4.5's. Though he's not a ball hawk, he gets into breaking up passes and does a good job in man coverage and can match up with the big receivers.
The Bad: Despite Lewis' size, he's not a consistent tackler. A lot of members of BTSC pointed this out after he was drafted, and to me this is something that could make or break Lewis. Though our Corners are not called upon to be involved the run support, it is definitely something that will get you noticed on the team. Like Ike, his hands are not the softest as he had only 7 career interceptions at Oregon State.
The Bottom Line: There might not be a better team right now than the Steelers at drafting corners on day 2 and turning them into starters. Just look at our current two. While the jury is still out on William Gay, we know how solid a player Ike Taylor has become after the years of grooming he went under in our depth chart. In many ways, I think Lewis could be the same; rough around the edges, but with some coaching, he could develop into a real solid player. At the very least, he provides much needed depth at corner which is something we lost with the departure of Bryant McFadden.
Grade: B
Round 5, Pick A-Joe Burnett, CB, UCF
The Good: A ballhawk. At UCF, Burnett picked off 16 passes during his career, setting a school record. As a returner he was just as effective returning 2 kicks for TD's and 3 punts (could've been 4). According to DraftguysTV, he's also a willing defender in stopping the run, which is definitley supported by his 221 career tackles.
The Bad: Though he is a great return prospect, Burnett does not have blazing speed. His 40 time sits in the 4.5's, more often than not in the high 4.5's. It has also been stated that Burnett is much better suited for a Tampa 2 scheme, as zone-coverage is his forte. Despite his play-making ability, Burnett is only 5'9", something that may or may not hinderhim against taller receivers.
Bottom Line: I like what Joe Burnett potentially brings to the table. He has a real nice array of skills, backed by great college production. If he makes the team (which he should) he'll contribute immediately to the return game, but probably won't see too much action at corner as he'll most likely be 5th or 6th on the depth chart. That 5th or 6th could change to a much higher level if Burnett can translate to the NFL.
Grade: B-
Round 5, Pick B-Frank "The Tank" Summers RB, UNLV
The Good: Ahhh yes we come to Frank the Tank. What's not to like about this pick; Summers is a classic, bruising, smash-mouth style running back that the Steelers love to have in their backfield, and is something that has been greatly missed since the departure of Jerome Bettis. Summers is a bruiser, and at 5'9", 241 lbs, is as compact as they get.
In addition to great size, Summers can move. At his UNLV Pro-Day, he turned a 4.55, which is average to below-average for most Running Backs, but for a big man like Summers it's a scout's dream come true. Another great thing; in his two years at UNLV, Summers never fumbled the football once (knock on wood) and showed soft hands at his pro day. He can play both Fullback and Running back. As a former linebacker in high school, Summers is more than willing to play special teams coverage as he "loves to hit people." Has Dreads.
The Bad: Though Summers has surprising 40 speed, he does not possess great agility. He will struggle to bounce a run to the outside. Though he's listed as a fullback, he has not shown a great willingness to play fullback and doesn't really have consistent enough blocking skills to do so. Will be 24 at the start of the season.
The Bottom Line: I was being confirmed during the later part of the draft so I had no idea what was going on. What I do remember was saying a little prayer to the big man upstairs that the Steelers draft Frank the Tank. When I got home a couple hours later I eagerly opened my laptop and checked the draft tracker. Steelers draft pick Round 5, Pick 33 (169)-Frank Summers "F Yeah Thank you Lord!" IMO, Summers will have us wondering who Gary Russell was as his first role will be to take the carries on 3rd and 4th and short and goal line situations.
I think he'll definitely line up as a Running Back due to inconsistencies in his blocking skills. In any case, I'm thrilled to see a "Big Back" back in Pittsburgh, and now there's another vehicle in the Steeler backfield.
Grade: A-
Round 6-Ra'shon "Sonny" Harris, DL, Oregon
The Good: Athletic for his size, at 6'4" 298, having decent speed, and good build. Harris gets a good jump off the snap and is good at collapsing the pocket, and can match up well with double teams. Sonny has good versatility and could play either DE or DT in our 3-4 scheme.
The Bad: According to NFL.com, Harris needs to have a better work ethic. He's inconsistent off the snap and doesn't play with good leverage, and can be maintained in blocking, and is not very shifty in changing direction. He only started one year at Oregon.
Bottom Line: I could see Harris as being a Brett Kiesel type of player, being a late draft pick that could fit our 3-4 well, but he will need to be brought up through the practice squad system, and in my mind I'm not really liking his chances. If what is said about his work ethic is true, then I'm not seeing him on the 53 man roster come September, but if he surprises me he could be a good fit in the 3-4 defense and make a solid contribution to the defense.
Grade: C
Round 7, Pick A-A.Q. Shipley, C, Penn State
The Good: A huge steal in the 7th round, many people were shocked to see Shipley fall this far. A character kid who grew up in the Pittsburgh area, Shipley is thrilled to be a part of his favorite team, and looks to model himself after former Steeler and HOF Center, Mike Webster. Both Shipley and Webster are built very similarly and took the same criticisms coming up in the NFL-too short, arms to small, but at 6'1", 304 lbs, Shipley can play some ball. This past season at Penn State, Shipley was team captain, a first team All American, and won the Rimington Trophy, an award given to the best center in college football, something neither Alex Mack or Eric Wood won. As for technique Shipley plays with a real strong base and can handle the pass rush well. He is a physical (33 bench reps at the combine) and intense player that plays through the whistle and is not intimidated by anyone.
The Bad: Again and again it is pointed out how short Shipley's arms are, something that Shipley's idol Webster has proven, doesn't mean everything. However Shipley's lack of height may also pose an issue against bigger defensive tackles, such as the Ravens' Haloti Ngata. As for blocking schemes, some say that Shipley is only a real fit for the zone-blocking scheme.
Bottom Line: I really like this pick. Many people saw Shipley as a third round pick, but instead he fell due to his size. Shipley does not seem phased by this criticism and can use it to his own motivation. Personally I think he may make the team but won't beat out Hartwig this year. I think he'll learn from him though and only get better from the experience. I wouldn't be surprised at all however, if Shipley turned into the tough, blue collar center of our future within a few years.
Grade: B
Round 7, Pick B-David Johnson, TE, Arkansas State
The Good: Better than good blocking skills. Johnson is very good at inline blocking, especially in open space. He can take on those much heavier than him and still succeed as well. Johnson has good hands and can get deep from time to time. He can also play fullback in most formations.
The Bad: Not known for his hands and isn't really a receiving threat. At only 6'2", Johnson can be overwhelmed by the larger defensive players.
Bottom Line: Not really being a big time standout in any aspect of his game, I'd be surprised if Johnson makes the team. Depending on where Sean McHugh lines up-either at TE or Fullback, there really won't be room for Johnson. I can see him as a practice squad kid who can be used as insurance if one of the TE/FB go down.
Grade: C-
Predictions
Number of Rookies Who Make the Team: 7/9
Number of Rookies that Start: 1-Kraig Urbik
Steeler Rookie of the Year: Mike Wallace
Surprise Rookie: Joe Burnett
Final Grade: B
Credits
Ziggy Hood via cache.daylife.com, www.post-gazette.com lp.imageg.net
Kraig Urbik via lp.imageg.net, static.steelers.com
Mike Wallace via static.steelers.com, lp.imageg.net
Keenan Lewis via lp.imageg.net, static.steelers.com
Joe Burnett via lp.imageg.net, static.steelers.com
Frank Summers via lp.imageg.net, static.steelers.com
Rashon Harris via lp.imageg.net, static.steelers.com
AQ Shipley via lp.imageg.net, static.steelers.com
David Johnson via lp.imageg.net, static.steelers.com
Thank you to NFL.com, Youtube, ESPN, for stats, scouting notes, and player info.
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Brilliant
Burnett and Lewis will have a great ol’ time competing for playin time, and im really high on both.
I dont expect Johnson or Harris to be on the roster come start of the season however. A.Q Shipley, as much as i like him, will have to work incredibly hard if he wants to make the team, especially at Centre, unfortunately its the AFC North, and that means Rogers, Ngata and Peko/Tank Johnson. All are big Tackles, and im wondering how well the undersized Shipley will handel those guys
Outstanding write up HSS, very impressed
BLITZBURGH IS BACK
by Steeler_ on May 17, 2009 10:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks man I appreciate it
Fan of your work here on BTSC.
It's true what they say...Even the NFL's Big Wigs hate the Steelers. On the plus side, I can now tell my future grand kids about Hines Ward and how the NFL made rules because of him. Roger Goodell, you make me sick.
by HighSchoolSteeler on May 17, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
Outstanding write up HSS, very impressed. I especially liked the credits listed at the end.
BTW are you a journalism or english major?
by steelerstyle on May 17, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Contemplating Journalism, my aunt is a reporter for a magazine I believe out in Oregon, so I’ve got some family background in that field.
It's true what they say...Even the NFL's Big Wigs hate the Steelers. On the plus side, I can now tell my future grand kids about Hines Ward and how the NFL made rules because of him. Roger Goodell, you make me sick.
by HighSchoolSteeler on May 17, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reporters are dropping like flies these days with all the newspaper bankruptcies. Of course, this could turn around in 4 years. If I had my druthers, I’d have picked journalism as something to fall back on rather than a first pick… Aside from the lousy climate for employment in the field I indicated, yes, it’s pretty rewarding.
by betelgeuse on May 18, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
about wallace's background
Could work both ways – could be problematic of course, but more likely, it could serve as constant reminder to keep his nose clean and take advantage of this huge opportunity he has.
by Blitzburgh on May 17, 2009 11:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think 8 of the 9 have legitimate shots at making the final 53. I think the odd guy out is Ra’Shon Harris who due to some guys ahead of him who played really well last year, Kirschke/Eason, I think the practice squad is the best he can hope for.
To my mind Summers should be in competition with Carey Davis, Summers may not be a Dan Krieder blocker but then neither if Davis and Summers should offer everything Davis can and more.
David Johnson has a shot but he needs to beat out Sean McHugh. Even though we gave McHugh a new deal it won’t cost much to cut him in favour of the rookie and would save us on the cap too. McHugh obviously starts as favourite but Johnson is a direct competitor to him.
Burnett and Wallace’s returen skills should see them both definitely make it and the versatility Keenan Lewis may bring if they try him at FS as well won’t hurt his chances any either.
For once this is a class that has a lot of potential, whether 8 do make the team I’m not sure but I think 8 have real shots.
by KiwiSteelerFan on May 18, 2009 1:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
Another NZer????
Bleeding Black and Gold since 1989 baby, Blitzburgh is back, time for a repeat!
by Steeler_ on May 18, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Lewis doesn't tackle well,
why are so many suggesting he fits well at FS? Clark was a beast at run support this year. Watching him take on Jacobs in the Giants game was incredible. Clark got beat the hell up that game, but kept hitting Jacobs hard throughout.
by betelgeuse on May 18, 2009 1:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Clark has cojones
His abilities against the run is a big reason why Troy P can run wild like he does
Clark is monsterly underated around the league. Never one to care for his own body when it comes to laying the wood
Bleeding Black and Gold since 1989 baby, Blitzburgh is back, time for a repeat!
by Steeler_ on May 18, 2009 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The knock against Clark has always been pass d. No one doubts he’s got the physicality to but heads with any RB or FB in the league, but he gets beat in coverage more often than he ought to. If we could convert a cb to FS, it could open up even more possibilities for Troy to confuse and destroy offenses.
by BluegrassSteeler on May 18, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shipley is not small
Not sure why people feel Shipley is small. His 310 lbs are compacted into his 6’1" frame. He power potential for rooting out the big nose tackles is better than a guy standing 6’5" and 300 lbs. I think he size is perect for the center position.
by Steelman65 on May 18, 2009 7:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you are right
The lower the center’s center of gravity, the harder it will be for the ngata’s to move them out of the way.
by SteelersVT on May 18, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also agreed
Centers don’t really go one-on-one with a NT anyway. If he is strong enough (I think he is) he will get under the Tackle and drive him up, where the help can move him. In the passing game, he is a natural at picking up the stunt blitzes, and he is a fighter and should be able to handle the Tackle pressure in the middle.
The more I’ve looked at this pick the higher I get on Ship. Most likely this is just pre-season excitement, where we all look at the upside, but with his work ethic, intelligence and leadership I think he could be as good as Jeff Saturday. I won’t compare anyone ever to Webster, not even Dirk Dawson gets that.
Man that gave me chills, if we just drafted a Jeff Saturday quality Center, this whole draft is a success.
Sure he can score goals, but can he cook?
by Phantaskippy on May 18, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gut feelings about the draft
This is not meant as any type of analysis, but here are some of my gut feelings on some of the draft picks.
Hood – very little bust potential in my mind; floor will be a workmanlike player; ceiling of being a difference maker
Urbik – I have no specific thoughts about Urbik. However, I have often been clueless with respect to what the Steelers OL coaches are trying to accomplish since Tomlin became coach. Are they going to a ZBS or more of a power man scheme? Do the powers that be view Starks a backup OL, a RT, a LT, or a LT that they want to sign long term? Is Stapleton really considered a possible C of the future? Is Colon going to eventually move inside to guard? (The answer to this is obviously a big fat NO.) Despite some talk about Urbik’s versatility after he was drafted, I really only see him as a guard.
Wallace – He will help our KR game to be sure. As a wr, I have reservations. Sure he’s fast. But he doesn’t seem like he can catch the ball very well, at least from the few clips I’ve seen. And if you can’t catch the ball, then you’re pretty useless as a wr. And catching is harder in the NFL than it is in college. The young wr are often “thinking” a lot more out there and of course, the DBs are much faster and hit harder. The good thing is that he has a few years to figure it out. I wouldn’t be surprised if he turns out to be another Troy Williamson though.
Lewis – I like his size. I don’t think tackling will be an issue for him. I think any issues about his inconsistent tackling are more about technique than willingness. With his size, coaching can correct his technique. Willingness is another story. I could even see this guy being a hybrid CB/S type player with some seasoning.
Burnett – I would like to compare his workout numbers to Gay’s. He seems to have the instincts to play CB. Does he have enough speed and leaping ability? We’ll see. He’ll obviously help the PR game.
Lewis/Burnett – The two together seem to offer the Steelers versatility, which Tomlin preaches. The team has the ability to match up with offenses that have big wr, little wr, etc. The team can play man or zone.
Summers – Not much to add. He’ll obviously replace Russell. Will be interesting to see if he can play FB and replace Carey Davis as well.
Harris – I’ve got nothing to say. I’ll just take a wait and see approach. The team needs DL desperately though, even with the drafting of Hood.
Shipley – I guess we’ll finally know whether you can play with short arms or not. If his arms were longer, then he would have been a much higher pick. There’s a reason he lasted until the 7th round, and the reason was his short arms. He was never going to be a 3rd round pick. Comparisons with Webster make for a nice story but little else. Webster played in a different era. And although Webby was undersized coming out of college, nobody thought his arms were so short.
Johnson – If he can block as his scouting reports say, then I think he has a good chance to make the roster. Spaeth is NOT a good in line blocker (at least not so far) and really doesn’t offer much as a wr. Johnson’s main competition is Spaeth and Mchugh.
by steeler1275 on May 18, 2009 7:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A few thoughts.
Ziggy – This pick has grown on me. (I wanted Eric Wood badly, but ah well, damn Buffalo). The Steelers love his work ethic and athleticism. I have no doubt that he’ll be a solid contributor for a long time. His main challenge will be to learn an entirely different scheme than he played in college. At Mizzou, he was a gap-shooting DT…hence his patented Ziggy-spin move, which we won’t see again. His “trouble against the run” is more due the scheme – he doesn’t have problems anchoring, but will overpursue.
In the Steelers 3-4, DE’s primarily play a one-gap scheme that’s all about maintaining gap responsibility. They have to be able to run to cover backs in the flat and the other tasks that make LeBeau’s complicated D possible. So physically we look for big, strong guys who can run. Then we teach them the technique and especially hand work that allows them to hold the gap. This latter part will be a big change for Ziggy, but I think based on his work ethic he’ll have no problem. I would also be suprised if he were that helpful on 3rd down right away, since his “4-3 rush abilities” mainly consist of his spin move that John Mitchell will beat out of him. A
Kraig Urbik – The confusion around the Steelers line-blocking scheme is warranted. I wonder, though, if we don’t make too big a deal out of zone-blocking versus power schemes – similar to how people make too big a deal out of 4-3 vs. 3-4. It all depends on the particular scheme. From what I’ve been able to garner, the Steelers right guard never pulls – he’s just a straight ahead mauler. It’s at LG and C where we need more mobility on the line. Urbik sounds like a great fit physically for the RG spot. I ignore the stuff about his skills one-on-one – it’s about playing on a line, not whether someone can beat you in space, and by all accounts he can do this. Add in his toughness and intangibles and this is my 2nd favorite pick. B+
Mike Wallace – yea, he’s blazing fast, has great size, and good character. He’ll make the team and return kicks. As a WR, the jury is still out. He was productive in college, but who knows how that will translate. I love him as a draft pick with potential, but I’m more hesitant to declare that he’ll be a success, there is too much bust potential at the WR position. B-
Keenan Lewis - scouting reports on this guy make me nervous. The line “wouldn’t tackle his own shadow” makes me nervous. The fact that he bulked up and didn’t run at the combine, then dropped a ton of weight to run at his Pro Day makes me nervous about his actual physical skills. A lot of starting experience in college but not ridiculously productive or a ballhawk. I don’t think he’s got as much safety potential as people think, that’s mostly about size – he struggles in off-man or zone coverage, making me think he may look like a safety but doesn’t have the skill-set to play there (like Colon at G). The Steelers like him because of his press coverage skills, something they’d apparently like to introduce a bit more into the D. I think we’ll see him come in primarily to jam someone at the line then play flat zone in nickel / dime packages at first. We’ll see what kind of player he turns into beyond that, I’m just uncertain. C
Joe Burnett - A willing tackler and a ballhawk. Ignore his speed – Gay isn’t too fast, but he’s damn quick. Watch Burnett drop back and then plant and drive to the ball in zone coverage and you’ll see that same quickness. But he apparently has some backpedal technique issues to work out. Great punt returner with agility and instincts, but he’ll have to beat out Shaun McDonald and a few other guys. A bit of a project but a future PR / nickel back who can start a few games if needed, I do think he could have been had in the 6th round, though. B-
Frank Summers - Repeat after me: As much as I dislike Carey Davis, I will not assume Frank Summers is his replacement. Summers is a versatile player who can run, block, and play on all phases of special teams. But his strength is as a short yardage back. He’s Gary Russell’s replacement. FB duties will be shared by Davis / McHugh unless a guy like Powdrell or DJ Johnson show something special. I think Frank makes the team based on special teams performance, not necessarily running. He hasn’t proven anything yet, and reports out of minicamp had him looking a little pudgy. Does it trouble anyone else that no other team seemed all that interested? I love his potential but as time has passed since the draft I’ve grown more cautious. B-
RaShon Harris - I really like this pick. He’s got the perfect size for a 3-4 end and can definitely run. He was a one-year starter who is very raw but has mid-round athleticism. I think he gets stashed on the practice squad. I’m only a touch concerned about the work ethic problem with this core of players around him. If he’s smarter than Ryan McBeam (not hard) he’ll be a perfect player to sit on the practice squad for a year then make the team next year. Great match of potential and value in the draft. B+
AQ Shipley - in the Scout.com draft grade, they made an interesting point: that Shipley’s short arms were more of a concern on the C exchange than in pass protection or run-blocking. We’ll see – didn’t seem like a problem in college. This pick could be a waste if he simply doesn’t have the physical skills to play in this offense, much as i hate to say it. But I don’t think it will. He’s probably the most mobile lineman we’ve currently got, and as Mike Mayock said, “all he does is block people.” He was never going to go higher than the 5th round, but I was suprised no one took a flyer on him in the 6th. Would be interesting to put him in at FB in short-yardage situations. This pick will come down to Shipley’s own work ethic and intangibles: he doesn’t have the versatility to play anything except C, so he’ll have to make the 53 man roster over a more versatile IOL. He’ll have to really show something to do that. I think it would be a picture perfect story if he went on to become our starting center of the future, but I’m worried him getting cut then picked up on waivers by someone else is more likely. C+
David “DJ” Johnson – No real idea what to think about this pick. Very solid blocker, he expected based on what he had been told to be drafted higher than the 7th round. Very much in the Sean McHugh mold, an H-back hybrid player. He’ll have to beat out McHugh or Carey Davis. Interesting to note that he had a fantastic avg yards per catch and is pretty quick, his lack of prototypical size holds him back as a TE. Practice squad guy unless he shows something special. C+
by syrsteelerfan on May 18, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we will keep Ship if he earns a back-up role, we used to keep Okobi as a back-up center, just because you need one. You can’t rely on someone to cover Center, it’s like relying on J. Harrison to back-up long snap. You need someone who knows the position and responsibilities. Ship matches that.
The Center/QB thing could be an issue, Ben is tall and Ship is short, Ben rarely gets jumpy, but if he pulls back too quick there could be trouble.
Sure he can score goals, but can he cook?
by Phantaskippy on May 18, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disappointed, highly disappointed.
2008: Rashard Mendenhall, Limas Sweed, Bruce Davis, Tony Hillis, Dennis Dixon, Mike Humpal, Ryan Mundy.
Humpal is gone, Mendenhall was hurt, Sweed dropped a sure TD in the Championship game, Davis and Hollis did absolutely nothing. Contributions to last years NFL Championship team….. nothing.
2007: Lawrence Timmons, LaMarr Woodley, Matt Spaeth, Daniel Sepulveda, Ryan McBean, Cameron Stephenson, William Gay, Dallas Baker.
McBean and Stephenson are gone. Sepulveda was hurt. Spaeth and Baker caught 18 passes combined. Timmons and Gay did very well as backups and when forced to start. Woodley was outstanding. Contributions to last years NFL Campionship…… Outside of Woodley, slight.
2006: Santonio Holmes, Anthony Smith, Willie Reid, Willie Colon, Orien Harris, Omar Jacobs, Charles Davis, Marvin Philip, Cedric Humes.
This draft class was a joke. Anthony Smith, Willie Reid, Orein Harris, Omar Jacobs, Charles Davis, Marvin Philip and Cedric Humes are gone, all of them! All we have left is Super Bowl MVP Santonio Holmes and an OL playing out of position in Willie Colon.
2005: Heath Miller, Bryant McFadden, Trai Essex, Fred Gibson, Rian Wallace, Chris Kemoeatu, Shaun Nua, Noah Herron.
McFadden left. Gibson, Wallace, Nua and Herron are gone. Essex is a backup. Kemoeatu and Miller are starters.
So, let’s recap the last 4 draft classes. LaMarr Woodley, Santonio Holmes, Willie Colon, Heath Miller and Chris Kemoeatu were the only starters on last year’s team. 14 of them are gone and made no difference at all.
From 2005- 2008 6 OL were drafted. 2 Start, 2 backups, 2 not with the team. In that time, they only have one OL playing the position he was origianlly drafted for, Chris Kemoeatu OG. In this time, our franchise QB was been sacked what seems like every passing play, and our running attack is gone.
Further, no LB was drafted, even though they knew Foote wanted out.
At one time the Steelers drafted well, especially in the later rounds. Recently, they have not. Outside of the 1st round, and Woodley in the 2nd, we have absolutely nothing to show.
What happened to the drafts when we would get Porter, Smith and Ward on the second day? This year we knew we needed to upgrade the OL and we knew the DL was aging, and we knew we needed to replace a CB, and we knew we needed to replace a LB. Next year we are still going to need to upgrade the OL, we will still need to replace a LB, and we will still need to address our DL.
To me, this draft was horrid. Urbik could have been had much later. All the OG who were rated much higher than him went much later. Hood was okay, I do not have any problem with that, but Unger was there and he has more experience playing C and OT than Urbik. Roy Miller was available in the 3rd when the Steelers selected Urbik. Is Hood and Urbik better than Unger and Miller?
Here is some info on Miller:
The Good: A tough, hard-nosed tackle who plays with a strong base and can hold the point of attack inside. Exhibits a motor that runs nonstop. Has some burst off the snap, which allows him to get on offensive linemen’s shoulders and penetrate up field. Works his way through blockers on the bull rush and keeps his pad level low. Displays good technique and has the hand quickness to win initial one-on-one battles and gain the advantage.
I just really question the Steelers draft choices lately, and especially this year. I do not think this draft class is going to pan out. I am thoroughly disappointed with this draft. Further, if this class does produce anything special, I think the Steeers better figure out what is going on. You can not keep winning when you do not go out and sign players from other teams (something I do agree with) and you do not draft quality to replace your aging stars.
by imike29 on May 18, 2009 10:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is this a serious post? You are actually writing that a team that has won 2 Super Bowls in the last 4 years with virtually no free agent signings has done a horrible job drafting?
Come on, yes the 2006 draft sucked, but it did net Santonio. The 2007 draft of Timmons, Woodley Spaeth, Sepulveda and Gay is a pretty great draft, but you aren’t going to do that every year.
by Cols714 on May 18, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
Do you think drafting 1 starter a year (2006) is going to keep you on the top? Please! Over the last 4 draft classes, from 2005-2008, 5 players started for them last year. Just how does the domination contimue when your starters are aging and nobody is drafted to replace them. Who are your backups are LB now? Who are your backups on the OL now? We had to give Starks $8.45 million because we have NOBODY behind him. This is a guy who lost his starting job only to get it back because of injury.
When you do not sign players off other teams (as I stated I agreed with) you have to draft wisely, and groom those players. Yet, the guys they are drating are not sticking with the team. So, you tell me, how do you continue the dominance?
Do not be confused with winning 2 championships and building for the future. We have a great team now. Unless we start drafting better now it will be hard in the future.
Again, we have no depth at all at important positions, and we have very little to show for the previous 4 draft classes. You can assume wasting 2nd round picks on Anthony Smith is going to keep us playingat a high level, I don’t. Again, I asked, outside of the 1st round, and Woodley in the 2nd, what do we have to show for our previous 4 drafts?
Again, I ask, was it wise to draft Urbik when many OG who were ranked high than him were still on the boards? Was not drafting a OT a wise move?
Again, I ask, is the combination of Urbik and Hood better than what the combination of Unger and Miller might have been?
Finally I ask, is not drafting a LB when you knew Foote wanted out a smart move?
You may take comfort in what the Steelers did in the past. I lived that life for 25 years. They won the Super Bowl and that is great. You take pride in that, as we all do. That; however, is not enough for me. I have moved on and am wondering what younger players are going to help them win another.
So yes, this post is serious. Any Steeler fan that does not question our previous drafts and automatically thinks this was a great draft because the Steelers picked them, I ask if they are seious!
by imike29 on May 18, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2007 Draft Class
Timmons and Gay were backups that played well. Timmons exceeded in passing situations, so let’s see how he does every down (although I think he is a beast and look forward to watching him). Gay did well when he started due to injuries, and I expect him to do well this year.
Now, Spaeth caught 17 passes, and he is not a good inline blocker, so he is irrelevant in the running game. Sepulveda had a good year his rookie year, then suffered an injury and was out all year. Let us see how he comes back and plays after this.
Was it a good class, yes. Was it great, it could be. Can it sustain a team when it was the only decent draft during a four year period? NO!
by imike29 on May 18, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t count McFadden out because he left, he played key roles in two Super Bowl runs. Timmons was a draft now play later pick, we knew he would take time, and his time has come.
The roster is 53 players deep, 22 starters. if you can get 7-9 years out of a player you need 2-3 starters (or eventual starters) and 5-7 players a year. If you average 1 in FA, which we do, that means your less good drafts need 1 starter and 4 players.
If you figure in kickers and punters and the back-up FA signings you end up with 2 starters and 4-5 players from each draft.
2007 is putting 3 starters on our team, and 4 or 5 players on our roster this year.
2006 we have 2 starters (boo Colon) and the bust that was Anthony Smith. Yes that was a bad year.
2005 gave us 4 players and 2 starters (roughly) and McFadden left, but that’s because Gay was ready to take his place. You don’t pay for CB’s you can replace.
2008 is too early to judge, not one player was drafted to start, not one. They didn’t start. That was a draft for the future, and a dang smart move considering we won the Super Bowl without any of them making major contributions.
Most of our drafts have suffered from veteran talent already on the team. We are an older team. We are an older team because we have veteran depth with talent. We lose kids off the practice squad to other teams, and we take some gambles because we can afford to take the risk.
You will see the draft style change (I think we did this year) as the old guys start to leave or retire and we need to replace them. You can’t have veteran depth and young talent occupying the same spots. And if everyone we drafted turned out to be a star we would just lose them to FA anyway. Our drafts aren’t sexy, and we have made a killing of cheap FA over the years, and still will (go McDonald!), the draft and FA go together, and we do really good at both.
Lastly any draft that includes the name Ben Roethlesberger or a Super Bowl MVP should automatically count as an A+.
Sure he can score goals, but can he cook?
by Phantaskippy on May 18, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand the concern
Looking at those numbers can be disconcerting. However, my counter argument would be as follows:
There is a reason this team won the super bowl. O-Line aside (I’ll grant you drafting there has been weak the last 4 years) every position was covered by good players. And almost every position had a good (or at least promising) backup. This means that on the 53 man roster we had solid players at all 53 spots. I’d love it if more of those players came from the last 4 drafts, but you don’t keep players just for the future, you’ve got to play this year.
On defense I can’t say that any player there didn’t deserve their spot. On offense I think o-line was obviously spotty and Spaeth was a bit of a disappointment this year. But at the skill positions? We had good depth and young talent combined.
That’s not meant to be blind faith in the FO, it’s meant to be realism. You’ve only got so many spots and if a young player isn’t up to snuff yet because you’ve got too many good players in front of him, you cut him and move on.
by Chicago Steeler on May 18, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This years draft
And btw I don’t know jack about college players so I won’t attempt to speak to this years draft. I’ll wait to see what happens with them in the NFL. I do trust the Steelers scouts more than draft boards that are published online.
by Chicago Steeler on May 18, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: This year's Draft
I also will wait to see how this class unfolds, as it usually takes 2-3 years before you can tell. This is why it concerns me that we have almost nothing to show for the last 4 years.
Timmons sits for 2 years, learns the system and when Foote is allowed to leave Timmons steps in. This is the way it should be, but it is getting harder to see it. We have no LBs in waiting. Davis? Fox? If one of our starters goes down, this is who you replace them with? Nothing like having Harrison backing up Porter, or Timmons backing up everyone.
Our team is getting older, and we do not have the youth behind them, learning, to one day replace them.
As for the OL, that is a joke. 3 are in the final year of their contract. Instead of drafting quality now, to groom them for next year, I guess we will just tender this one, maybe franchise that one……
As for OG ranked higher than Urbik, the internet will provide you with numerous sites that have ranks on prospects.
by imike29 on May 18, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right, i'm aware the internets
But you are the one throwing that statistic around, and I’m trying to ask you what particular G / C you would take before Urbik?
Because those prospect rankings can be notoriously ridiculous (Duke Robinson will go in 1st round! hah!) and for many of those “higher ranked players” there is a reason they were lower on the Steelers board.
by syrsteelerfan on May 18, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Let’s look at the team.
WR – Ward – drafted
WR- Holmes – drafted
TE – Miller – drafted
TE – Spaeth – drafted- you can argue that he isn’t that great, but every time he has started he’s come through and is a pretty decent 2nd TE
LT – Starks – drafted
LG – Kemo – drafted although he wasn’t that great last year
C – FA
RG – Stapleton – udfa – kind of sucked last year
RT – Colon – drafted and is a decent but easily replaceable player
QB – Ben – drafted
RB – FWP – udfa
RB – Mendenhall – drafted
DE – Keisel – drafted
NT – Hampton – drafted
DE – Smith – drafted
OLB – Harrison -udfa
ILB – Farrior -FA
ILB – Timmons -drafted
OLB – Woodley – drafted
CB – Taylor – drafted
CB – Gay – drafted
CB – Townsend – drafted
SS – Polamalu – drafted
FS – Clark – fa
Do you get the point? And at the older positions, such as DE and CB, the Steelers just drafted guys to step in when those players leave. This team does not draft guys to start right away, they draft guys to step in when needed and considering that the team isn’t an old team, I think they have done a pretty good job.
Like I said, I’ll give you the 2006 draft sucked, but that will happen from time to time.
by Cols714 on May 18, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: OK
I guess my point might have been lost on some.
I get the point, apparently you don’t.
How many starters have been drafted since the 2005 draft?
Ward, Townsend, Smith, Farrior, Hampton, Keisel, and Hartwig. All starters in their 30s. All with a few years left, if that. Behind them, NOTHING!
The last 4 draft classes, NOTHING!
Again, having blind allegiance to a team is fine, I too do no think the Steelers can do no wrong; however, to give them a pass when they have drafted poorly over the last 4 years is insane.
I hope this class turns out better than the last few, if not, where do you find the players to replace our aging stars?
You pointing out to me who was drafted on our team does not prove your point, it actually enhances mine. Our starters are guys we draft. Our draft has not been productive recently.
So again, I ask, where is the depth on our OL? Where is the depth at LB? Where is the depth on our DL? We have none because of poor draft decisions.
by imike29 on May 18, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about
Gay, Woodley, Timmons, Colon, sepulveda, chris k?
Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)
by Blitzburgh on May 18, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depth on OL: Essex, Stapleton / Urbick, Hills
Depth at LB: Fox, Davis, A. Harrison
Depth at DL: Hoke, Ziggy, Eason, Kirschke
What do you want from the team? You can’t be young and extremely deep at every position. They don’t have too many starters from the last couple of drafts because they already have good starters at WR, DL, LB, DB, QB, RB, except for Gay, Timmons, Woodley, and Stapleton, who if I recall, are yes, starters.
About the only place you can fault the Steelers is the failure to draft OL, but if they did, it would come at the expense of other positions.
by Cols714 on May 18, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To some extent I agree with you mike
In the Colbert era there has been a very high rate of mid-round picks that have been busts. This affects team depth. However, the mid-round guys who make it tend to be great value. Chris Hope, Max Starks, Ike Taylor, Larry Foote, Clark Haggans and even Willie Colon all outperformed their draft position by becoming starters. Willie Gay will probably start this year w hich is rare for a fifth-rounder. Woodley of course has already far outperformed his selection in the second-round.
Another compensating factor is that Colbert has never missed on a first-rounder. All the first-rounders from 2000-06 were starters in the league last year, six of them with the Steelers. The 2007 first-rounder (Timmons) will start this year and Mendenhall will share the load with FWP and Moore this year and probably be the No. 1 RB next year. A third mitigating factor to the high number of mid-round busts is the Steelers’ ability to find good undrafted free agents. A lot of mid-rounders don’t make it (or aren’t costly mistakes) because the Steelers find undrafted gems who provide adequate compensation (ie Washington over Fred Gibson, Stapleton over Cam Stephenson and most recently Bailey and Woods over Davis last year). The fourth factor is strategically good choices in free agency (Moore and Fox last year, perhaps Shaun McDonald and Keiwan Ratliff this year) to fill in the holes left by poor drafting or Free Agency.
I don’t mean to downplay the number of bad draft picks made by Colbert in mid-rounds because there has been a lot of them, more than most teams. But you have to look at the big picture. There is pressure on Bruce Davis and Tony Hills to produce this year. Both were drafted higher than most scouting services had them ranked, in Davis’ case by quite a bit. Nothing happened last year to suggest they were good picks, and if they are busts the team has a lack of depth at OLB and OT that will need to be addressed one way or another. The Steelers have been very resourceful and successful at finding a way to do it.
As for your scenario of Unger-Miller being a better combination than Hood-Urbik, only time will tell but I prefer Hood-Urbik and I think both will make a much more immediate contribution than previous recent top picks. There weren’t many, if any, O-linemen clearly ranked higher than Urbik left on the board when he was selected in the third round. There wasn’t another OL taken until early in the fourth round so it wasn’t as if 31 other teams were clamoring for a guy the Steelers should have picked instead. This draft group has a chance to be very productive and my first impression is that it is the best of the three since Tomlin arrived.
by steeler.lifer on May 18, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m curious about the lack of mid round success. I think if you compare it to other teams of similar quality you will find just about the same track record as Colberts. You can’t hit on every draft pick all of the time. It’s not possible. So some years you find William Gay or Max Starks or Ike Taylor or Larry Foote , and other times you get Willie Reid.
Plus, the way the Steelers find UDFAs, it more than makes up for a few misses.
I"m not saying you can’t or shouldn’t criticize Colber and 2006 was a mess of a draft after Santonio, but give the man credit because he’s found more than his share of good players.
by Cols714 on May 18, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A five-year study of mid-rounders
I took a detailed look at how the Steelers drafted in Rounds 3-5 over a five-year period, from 2002-06, and compared it to a number of other teams: their division rivals plus four teams that are considered to be very good drafters: Indianapolis, New England, NY Giants and San Diego.
The Steelers drafted a total of 16 mid-rounders in that period. Four of them never played a down. None of the other teams did as poorly in idenfying NFL quality players. In the Steelers’ case, five more players from that group did not play a down in the NFL last year, leaving them with seven out of 16 who contributed on the field in 2008. None of the other seven teams did as poorly. The Ravens had only one of 17 draftees never play a down and 10 of their 17 played in the NFL last year; the Bengals had one of 18 draftees never play a down and nine played in the league last year; the Browns had one of 19 draftees who never played a down and 12 played in the league last year; the Colts had three of 19 draftees never play a down and 10 of the 19 played last year; the Patriots had three of 17 draftees never play a down and 10 played last year; the Chargers had one of 15 draftees never play a down and 12 played last year; the Giants had 13 draftees and all of them played in the league last year. All seven other teams picked more NFL quality players in the mid-rounds.
The Steelers fared better though when comparing the number of starters they drafted in the mid-rounds in that period. Five of the 16 were starters last year, including four on their own team (Starks, Foote, Taylor and Colon) plus Chris Hope. Of the Ravens’ 17 picks, five (plus a punter) were starters last year (three on their own team); of the Bengals 18 picks, four were starters last year (all four on the Bengals); of the Browns 19 picks, one was a starter last year (one on the Browns); of the Colts 19 picks, five were starters last year (two for the Colts); of the Patriots 17 picks, five plus a kicker were starters last year (four plus a kicker on the Patriots); of the Giants 13 picks, six were starters last year (five on the Giants); of the Chargers 15 picks, seven plus two kickers were starters last year (four plus two kickers on the Chargers).
So, without looking at all other 31 other teams, I think it’s fair to say the Steelers miss on a lot of mid-round picks, but get decent value out of those that make it to the NFL. The Steelers’ first-round picks in those years compare favorably with just about any other team’s: Simmons, Polamalu, Roethlisberger, Miller, Holmes. Five starters, two Pro Bowlers, two more players who have made a significant contribution and are close to Pro Bowl quality, and one other starter. The Giants’ first-rounders in those five years were: Shockey, DT William Joseph (bust), Philip Rivers (traded along with other picks for Manning), CB Corey Webster and DE Mathias Kiwanuka. As a group, those first-rounders would rank slightly below the Steelers’ fivesome, and if you go back two more years the difference in first-rounders is even greater with the Steelers taking Burress and Hampton and the Giants taking DB Will Allen and RB Ron Dayne. The Chargers’ first-round picks from 2002-06 were CB Quentin Jammer, CB Sammy Davis (bust), QB Eli Manning (traded for Rivers), LB Shawne Merriman and CB Antonio Cromartie. Again, this group would rank below the Steelers’ first-rounders in that period.
The bust trend in mid-rounds in the Colbert era is disturbing, probably among the worst in the NFL. It’s a trend that also applies to late-round picks. Of their 13 picks in the sixth and seventh rounds from 2002-06, only two played in the league last year but they were both starters on a SB-winning team: Kiesel and Kemoeatu.
It’s like baseball. Do you prefer a team with a consistent high batting average, or a team that hits home runs and strikes out a lot? When the home runs contribute to championships, it’s more than acceptable… but you can understand when some people get frustrated about the high number of strikeouts.
by steeler.lifer on May 19, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One correction
In the second paragraph of my post I said “five more players” from that group did not play a down in the NFL last year. That should have read “four more players”, leaving the Steelers with eight out of 16 mid-round draft picks from 2002-06 that played in the NFL last year. This was the same percentage as one of the other seven teams, the Bengals, but lower than the other six.
by steeler.lifer on May 19, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
steeler.lifer
Great post, I read your current article with much interest. My whole premise when ansering this topic was my disappointment with how this draft played out. The fact that most Steeler message boards I have seen give them high grades dumbfound me. We are headed for real trouble if anything happens to any starter on our OL. Do most people know we have 1 OL signed through the end of next season, and that is Chris Kemoeatu.
Here is the contract situation with our OL:
Hartwig, Stapleton, Starks, and Colon signed through 2010.
Essex and Hills singed through 2011.
Chris Kemoeatu through 2014.
That is where our OL stands. Starters and backups. Weak starters, unproven backups.
Now, next year instead of drafting best available talent, we will have to target OL early and probably often. Either that or sign this current group and continue with the status quo. I, for one, really do not like the fact we had to give Starks $8.45 million, but this is were we are headed next year too. Any injury along the offensive line will force someone like HIlls or Essex into the starting lineup.
Now, to my point, if our starters at CB are Taylor and Townsend, and Gay takes over for McFadden and we signed Keiwan Ratliff and still have Anthony Madison and Fernando Bryant, then why draft 2 CBs? We presently have 9 CBs on our roster! NINE!
Why not take an OL! Here are some OL that went after we picked up Joe Burnett: George Bussey, Andrew Gardner, Matt Slauson, Paul Fanaika, Blake Schlueter, Lydon Murtha (who is a heck of an athlete), Jaimie Thomas, Ryan Durand, Lance Louis, Trevor Canfield.
I am not saying these guys will amount to anything, but they took Essex in the 3rd round and Hills in the 4th and they have not impressed.
I believe this is Hartwig’s last year. They will not keep both Colon and Starks, and do you really want to keep Stapleton (unless he improves drastically)? So, you will go into next year hoping Shipley can take over at C, Urbik hopefully at G, keeping either Starks or Colon and hoping Hills can start? I’m sorry, I just do not see it. Unger can play any OL position, if you drafted Shipley too, you could have at least tried Shipley at C, and plugged in Unger in place of any starter you might let go next year.
Anyway, I hope I am wrong and I hope the guys they have on the roster now develop into quality starters. BUt I have always thought the Steelers picked the best available player and to fill holes for the future. If that is true, then they have struggled mightily because I don’t see anything but huge, gapping holes with our OL.
That is why I believe the Steelers draft this year was a huge disappointment.
by imike29 on May 19, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Preaching to the choir on OL
I would have loved to see a high pick spent on an OL and my preference for Round 1 as it played out was Eben Britton, perhaps followed by Gilbert in Round 2. But it didn’t happen and considering how successful Colbert has been with first-round picks, I don’t think there is any reason to question the pick of Hood. The future of the DL line was/is a pressing issue. We can win with a bad OL, we can’t win with a bad DL. The big problem is that the team is walking a thin line in regard to the health of its franchise QB.
I thought the draft was pretty good. I liked the pick of two CBs. Gay is not a sure thing, Townsend is old and Ratliff is a bandaid. I’m really high on Keenan Lewis becoming a quality starter in two or three years. There isn’t much depth on the OL and overall it would have been nice to pick an OT but Ramon Foster was a priority UDFA signing and he might fit into the long-term picture. It’s too soon to discount Hills, even though the prognosis is not great. There’s a reasonable possibility the Steelers will pick up a veteran OL before the season starts, depending on training camp injuries or it becoming obvious that we need more depth. Some cuts or cap casualties from other teams will be better than Colon or Essex.
At this point of the off-season I’m going to let myself be optimistic about the OL I think Urbik will become the starting RG at some point this year, perhaps even right out of the gate. He’s a much bigger and stronger man than Stapleton and comes out of an excellent college program as a mature player (only a few days younger than Stapleton). Don’t discount Shipley being the starter at center in 2010. Of the 32 starting centers in the league last year, 10 were either seventh-round picks or UDFAs. I agree that a lot depends on Hills developing and it would be nice at some point to commit a high draft pick to the line, but some steps were taken. Keep the faith!
by steeler.lifer on May 19, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like that stat about the centers….good find lifer
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on May 20, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Three UDFA centers made it to Pro Bowl
Jeff Saturday, Casey Wiegmann and Sean O’Hara were UDFA centers who became Pro Bowlers. Hank Fraley (UDFA originally signed by Steelers) probably should have made a Pro Bowl at some point in his good career with the Eagles and Browns. Matt Birk was a sixth-round OT who started at center his third year and became a multi-Pro Bowler. Hartwig was a sixth-round guard who became a starting center his second year. UDFA Lyle Sendlein started at center for Arizona his second year. Almost half the league’s starting centers last season (14 by my count) were drafted in the sixth or seventh round or were UDFAs. If the Steelers weren’t going to get Wood or Mack in the first round, then getting Shipley in the seventh was a pretty good Plan B.
by steeler.lifer on May 21, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good work HSS
HSS, keep up the good work. Though I predict only 6 of 9 draft picks to make this year’s squad, that number could go up to 7 or possibly 8 (Johnson, Shipley or Harris might surprise, who knows?)
I think those that don’t make this year’s team will be on the practice squad and could be heard from here before it is all over. This draft will have more immeditate impact than Tomlin’ s first 3 because most of these players have specifics skills that fit areas where this team needs help. Can’t wait to see what surprises there are in camp when the pads go on.
And for all of you who aspire to be journalists, get used to working on or creating sites such as this where you words can be read and your thoughts heard. This is definitely the future of journalism.
by datruth4life on May 18, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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