Will it be the Limas Sweed show at #3
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So, based on what we know right now today - subject to change once we get into camp - what's your prediction on that #3 wide receiver job?
Sweed, Wallace or McDonald?
I made my prediction....and you can read about that here...but I would like to know what everyone else thinks. What would you like to see?
I know I would like to see an offense that isn't always in that 2 minute hustle, oh and isn't waiting until the last freaking second to snap the ball (barely making it before the delay of game is called), and that isn't so predictable...but beyond that, who takes over Nate Washington's role?
Thoughts?
(PS - I don't always blame the O-line...though there's always room for improvement there)
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I'm a big Limas Sweed Fan
Went crazy when we got him in ’08. Love his humbleness and work ethic, and the only thing holding him back is his nerves. His biggest advantage going into camp is that he knows the Steeler playbook better than either of the other two.
Mike Wallace is a kid I’m really excited about, and ultimately see him surpassing what Washington brought to the table…just not yet. He’s gonna have to go through the system like everyone else, but he will contribute nicely to our kick returns.
McDonald is a savvy veteran who I think is another version of Cedrik Wilson. What he has is the NFL Experience that neither Sweed nor Wallace have, but at the same time is not as athletically gifted. I could see him taking the 3 spot, but my money is on Sweed.
It's true what they say...Even the NFL's Big Wigs hate the Steelers. On the plus side, I can now tell my future grand kids about Hines Ward and how the NFL made rules because of him. Roger Goodell, you make me sick.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on May 24, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions
Me too
Sweed will begin showing us more of the skills he was blessed with in ‘09. I am hoping he will workout with Ike and Santonio in that Florida training center (I forget who runs it) this off season. Wallace could also benefit from those training sessions. Ike and Tone both came to camp in great shape, focused and ready. Wasn’t Farrior with them too?
McDonald gives us the depth we were lacking. His role can only add to the mix.
Great report Steelergurl. Thanks.
The job is Shauns to lose
I really think he’ll be the #3 guy, based solely on his consistency when there’s someone with a hand throwing to him. He’s a good player when he’s with a good bunch. Unless Limas dramatically improves from last season, which I think probably will not happen for the kid, we’ll be better than last year in the passing game with McDonald. It can be great for Sweed, too.
This offense could have a great, diverse passing game with the players we have on the roster.
My theory is that the Steelers will try to have basically two different number three receivers. One will be Sweed and the other will be McDonald. They will be used at different times, unless Sweed shows his hands are amazing I think on passing third downs McDonald will be used because he will go over the middle and catch the ball and is a better possession receiver at this point in his career. I think Sweed will be used in situations to stretch the field and mainly be used more like Nate was used last year.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on May 24, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions
i dunno about twins…
perhaps I could be your slow cousin or something
Also, I don’t think Nate will be missed as much as you do.
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by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on May 24, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
the running Sweed
Nate played great in a contract year, we’ll see if it translates. Sweed looked a lot like Nate with the hands problems, but Seed is a fighter and is working hard. He’s going to be good quick.
This season will start with splitting time, but look for Sweed to win it, and possibly for Hines to move into the slot more with Sweed and Holmes taking the outside. That would be the upper end of his potential for this year.
Sure he can score goals, but can he cook?
by Phantaskippy on May 24, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked Nate
I think he could be a real surprise for Tennessee, that is of course if he translates well like you say. Sure they grabbed a WR in the 1st round, but Nate has a good chance to get a lot of catches. I wish him well, except for week one
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by Michael Hewitt on May 25, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Nate....
Oh, I think we have covered him…at this point. He was good to the Steelers, but I think we have his spot covered now…don’t want to give the impression today that I think we’ll die a slow WR death w/o him. When he first went, I was a little sad…but it’s not like we haven’t recovered fm any of the receivers we’ve let go along the way. I’m ok with the 3 fighting for this slot…acutlaly :)
Steelergurl
Sounds reasonable
As much as I would love to see Sweed get in there and wow us, I’m also supposing a slower acclimation. I think he’ll get Timmons-like time for his sophomore year.
McDonald
I’m guessing McDonald. I think coming in he is the only WR with NFL experience at consistently catching passes (70 plus one year at Detroit) and returning kicks.
Sweed has the best shot at beating McDonald for #3 if he shows why HSS and some others at BTSC are so high on him. Personally I am very sour on him and need him to show me something before I get on the sweedwagon. Steelergurl and others; it’s not just the certain game icing TD he dropped in the AFC Championship game. Remember the week before? We had a chance to ice SD earlier and he dropped a sure TD pass late in the 4th quarter of that one too. That’s not counting the others earlier in the season and preseason. As I said, I’m not ready to cut him. I know WR is a tough position for a rookie. But he needs to show something in games. I think if the FO felt they could really count on him they wouldn’t have signed McDonald.
As for Wallace, as stated above, “I know WR is a tough position for a rookie.” I see him as the longshot for #3. I don’t think he even dresses the rookie year unless he is a phenom at KR and beats out McDonald, Mewelde, Stefan Logan and Burnett. But he is athletic and fast so that’s why he has the outside chance at WR.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
Tomlinesque Competition, may the best WR win
Steelergurl, do you also wear a cape along with your jersey? Another great steelers fan in D.C. who works for the govt (me too). Anyway, let’s keep in mind that the Steelers only keep 4 WR’s active on game day. Wallace, right now, is the no. 1 KR and one of the gunners on the no. 1 punt team. He can also come in right now on 3rd downs and play the X position at WR on offense and stretch the field. In other words, he’ll be active on game day.
So, that leave us with Sweed and Mcdonald. At this time, I’ll have to put my money on McDonald. And the reason is Sweed hasn’t done it yet, and McDonald has. Sweed also hasn’t shown that he can consistently catch the ball. The last time I checked, that skill is an important part of the skill set needed as an NFL WR.
If one of the starters go down, I can’t see the coaches being comfortable with Sweed as a starter. I’d love to see Sweed step up, but I can only go by what I’ve seen on the field. Sweed could also help himself if he all of a sudden becomes a great special-teams player as well. Patrick Bailey will have a roster spot and see time on the field this year simply because he can bust heads on coverages.
When the ball is kicked off against the Titans in September, the coaches will want players that they can depend on play in and play out, which Sweed hasn’t shown yet. That doesn’t mean that he can’t. We’ll see.
I think the main thing that Sweed has going for him is this is his second year in the system, so he shouldn’t have to think so much and can just play. Any rookie in a Steelers uniform will get what I call the “TP grace period” (TP stands for Troy Palomula, the grace period is the time they’ll get to show something considering how bad and lost Troy looked as a rookie but yet proved he had star potential in his second year). That’s why I expect the Steelers rookies that made the squad this past year (and those that landed on the practice squad) to take a big step up this training camp. And by the way, the TP grace period only lasts 3 years. If you haven’t shown anything by the end of Year 3, time to move on, both the player and the team.
I believe Wallace will end up being a starter with Santonio in a few years and be one of the gems from this draft. Keep it coming, Steelergurl!
by datruth4life on May 24, 2009 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
We could dress 5 WR
Truth I don’t see why there wouldn’t be room on the roster for a return specialist. There was in 07 with Rossum and it’s routine with many teams. The problem with Wallace is that he has never returned punts, so he would be half a specialist as just a KO returner. Maybe that’s why he is being given a good shot as the gunner, so that he can be on special teams full time as both a cover guy and a KO returner. There would still be room for four other WR on the game roster. The PR would have to be a player and that could be a combination of Moore and Holmes again, or Burnett if he beats out a veteran backup DB like Madison (who might lose his gunner role anyway if Wallace shows he is capable).
Logan and Brandon Williams have a shot to make the team as a full-time KR specialist. Both have returned punts and kickoffs but both also have a history of fumbles.
by steeler.lifer on May 25, 2009 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Sweed is a Lock
Limas Sweed will be the #3 on opening day. All reports i come across say hes working hard, with a lot of training working on focus and his hands.
He will have a great year I feel.
Shaun McDonald will be number 4. I find it hard to believe a guy who was under 10 yards per catch last year, even without Roy Williams in Detroit, who comes into a new team, with a new system to learn….i just dont see it.
Sweed had his chance to watch and learn last year, and he will be the number 3. The guy has all the physical tools to be great, he just needs to tweak the mental aspect of the game. He had some great hands in college, and everyone slams his hands just because he dropped that ONE pass in the AFCCG. I was a big fan of him when we drafted him, and I would like to see any other footage of where he drops a pass, because I cant recall any.
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by Michael Hewitt on May 24, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions
You wont
The guy makes amazing catches when he’s confident in himself. He wasn’t last year as most receivers aren’t. He will be our number three unless he just falls apart. I can’t wait to see him going across the middle in the red zone. I truly believe with Sweed and Summers our redzone problems will be gone. Sweed has a great amount of athleticism that will allow him to make impossible catches. Just wait and see. He’ll be our new Swann. :)
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by SoCalSteelerFan on May 24, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks SoCal
Im glad someone agrees with me. I fully agree that our redzone offense should be greatly improved. Sweed is 6’4’’, which is 4 inches taller than our other receivers. He’ll have major height advantage over the majority of NFL corners, especially in the redzone, when routes are considerably shorter.
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by Michael Hewitt on May 25, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
We had Heath and Spaeth,
who both proved to catch everything thrown their way in the endzone in 2006. For some reason they weren’t big targets after that. Anyone know why?
Either way, my question to SoCal and Steeler_ is: Do you think our goal line offense will change to a more pass-oriented one just because of Sweed?
The idea has merit for other reasons than supposing Sweed will perform like a pro WR this year.
Why pressure the Oline to do what it cannot? It proved over and over it couldn’t block in goalline run situations. Seriously, any play requiring goal line blocking for running backs should be thrown out of the playbook. Instead, throw the ball away. Running the ball has never done the Steelers any good, right?
We’ve got an OL … to poop on.
Nope not at all
But its another package to throw in there. I think Frank Summers or even Mendy will get goal line carries. But Sweeds height presence give the opposing DC something to think about, which could open up other holes.
Ive always been a fan of a passing redzone offense, it just has so many more things that can go right. Esp if you line up with 4 or 5 WR in a shotgun. But its never as easy at it seems. Arians overused the I formation RB run last year. We were so predictable, whenever GR was in the backfield, he almost always got it
I want to see more creativity out of Arians this year
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by Michael Hewitt on May 25, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I love using the TE as a receiver
Heath hardly ever dropped a catch…I hope they work in more plays with him next year. I’m a BIG “lover of all things heath” – and use the Heath Miller special to spank my 13 year olds butt in Madden :)
Steelergurl
Heath is a great red zone target
Once he catches the ball he just knows where to go. Of all areas of improvement, i want to see the redzone offense get more 6’s and 7’s instead of 3’s
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by Michael Hewitt on May 25, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
He has great field sense
I love how Miller just seems to have a nose for the EZ and knows how to get there. Takes good boofs and blocks well. Amazing catching. Big dude.
Gotta resign that guy, thats for sure.
It's all on Arians
To be honest, we should be a more pass oriented team already. We will still use the pass to set up the run. When it comes to redzone execution, look for us to air it out early on and hopefully mix it up with Mendy and FWP later on in the year. We really need a 1-2 punch that is an effective backfield. I think FWP and the Tank will be that. Sweed’s presence should draw extra coverage in the redzone. That alone will be useful, have him catch some balls and score some points is a bonus ;)
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by SoCalSteelerFan on May 25, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Two other dropped bombs
Sweed had at least two other drops of perfect long throws, one against San Diego in the playoffs and one from Leftwich against Washington where it was right in his hands. He never had a great season at Texas despite all the hype. Everybody loves his athletic ability and his attitude but he has to catch the ball.
by steeler.lifer on May 25, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Just an F.Y.I Lifer…
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcnorth/0-2-287/Steelers—drops.html
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by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on May 25, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I was going to argue the no drops
but then I saw and remembered that it was indeed a fumble against Cincy.
Sure he can score goals, but can he cook?
by Phantaskippy on May 25, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
As that linked post says, you get different numbers from different sources. I would agree with Mechem that the catch vs. San Diego wasn’t a slam dunk, but it was catchable. The pass from Leftwich vs. Washington was right on the money, in stride down the sideline, and I don’t recall it being tipped by the DB or there being contact that caused the drop. If someone has a chance to see it again maybe they can clarify it for me.
I don’t want to seem too down on Sweed. I was impressed with his football speed and the way he got open. He has a good attitude (aside from the post-drop pout vs. Baltimore that cost the team a time out). The football world is full of guys who couldn’t hang onto the football though and it’s to Nate Washington’s credit that he worked hard to overcome his early dropsies. Even in his best year however he had trouble winning “jump ball” type contests with DBs who were in position to compete physically. All receivers have drops but they have to make enough plays that the QB has the confidence to go back to them. Sweed is going to get a limited number of passes thrown his way this year in this lineup so it’s up to him to earn confidence from Ben.
by steeler.lifer on May 25, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
just like
after his big drop in the b-more game, ben limited his throws to him a number times by only going to him twice on 3rd downs late in the game,which were huge btw. I don’t think BB is one of those QBs that thinks oh he dropped the ball last time let me not throw to him, BB sees you open on the field and he’ll get it to you. Its the coaches job to put in recievers that can catch. With that being said, all the fans that hate on Sweed now will look silly by the end of next year, I’m willing to put money on it. I saw this article the other day, http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d810736b9&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true. So it seems like more than steelers fans are high on the guy.
by tannofsteel84 on May 28, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
whales vagina
For the record that drop against Whales Vagina wasnt exactly an easy make. He was almost half OOB and on the sideline with a man pretty well on him. It was also a diver.
I remember, because I was there.
Hands of a Rookie
I remember in Washington’s first two years he made a bunch of drops too. People didn’t complain too much because he wasn’t a second rounder. I remember one really good/bad drop. From about hte 14 yard line, Ben hit him in the chest on a slant in the end zone. Drop=field goal=loss . All I am saying is wait for the second year transition. WRs notoriously struggle in their rookie years with only 1 or 2 really wowing people. Year two and three are the important years. If he struggles this year, then we can start to worry a little.
I really think Sweed will prove all the naysayers wrong
I just have that feeling about him you know. Not sure why, but i just get really excited about his prospects
Probably couldnt be more high on him if i rolled him up and smoked him
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by Michael Hewitt on May 25, 2009 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Sweed will be good this year, and could have a break-out year, but I expect his breakout to come in his third season. Which will be needed for him to transition as a starter to replace Hines. Of course the way Hines is going he may hold onto that spot till he dies.
You can’t argue with a man that is open when he’s covered. Go Hines.
Sure he can score goals, but can he cook?
by Phantaskippy on May 25, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Nate got plenty of heat
No shortage of drops by Nate in his first two years and he got plenty of criticism, earning a reputation for bad hands that was unfair in 08. Let’s see what he does in Tennessee, having to play up to the contract he signed. Collins throws a good deep ball and I think Nate will have a big season in yards per catch and TDs.
by steeler.lifer on May 25, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
And remember how Santonio was too???
I know a ton of Steelers fans who were ready to write him off…not me, but lots….especially on KO returns.
Steelergurl
Wallace, Burnett gameday returners?
Tomlin seems intent on improving the KR and PR positions and will have the best options for both active on game day. Interesting to see how the competition plays out, particularly for the PR position. Burnett seems like a natural PR and could probably play on the other special teams units as well as some sub D packages.
I believe that both Wallace & Burnett will be active on game day as the returners and special teams contributors.
Steelerlifer, if they do keep 5 WR active on game day, then they will be short another position on gameday, either DB, LB or TE. I’m thinking just 4 WR positions because they could get more bang for the buck from special teams at DB and LB.
Thoughts?
If they can get away with STers at depth positions, ala fourth CB or 4th WR, etc then they have a spot for a 5th WR. The 5 wide out set needs the rookies to make the team as ST and position players to justify keeping a 5th WR. Otherwise they will use Moore or Miller and not waste a spot on a few plays a game.
Sure he can score goals, but can he cook?
by Phantaskippy on May 25, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
hey, let's not forget hines
when hines was a rookie, he was put as the 5th WR cuz he was a MONSTER on special tteams. who says wallace can’t be like that?
by BlackandGold on May 25, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
A good KR is "bang for the buck"
Even if it’s only 4-5 KO returns per game, a good returner can make a dramatic impact on field position. I like the idea of Wallace as a gunner. He has great speed and a good build at around 200 pounds. Kelley Washington has made a career out of being a No. 4-5 WR who is dynamite covering punts and kickoffs. Yamon Figurs has stayed in the league almost strictly as a KO return guy who rarely sees the field. I think Tomlin will do what it takes to make a signficant upgrade to the return game and is prepared to do what he tried in 07 with Rossum, who rarely played in any secondary packages.
by steeler.lifer on May 25, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Tomlin will get Sweed straight
My .02 here.
Tomlin I think has an excellent ability to coach players on a personal level. Imagine if you will what Cowher would have done after Limas dropped that easy TD against B-Whore.
But instead we saw Tomlin coach him up, and we saw a catch later and a crushing block shortly after.
I think we see this on a grander scale this year and I really believe that drop will motivate Sweed to get himself together. He had a limited rookie year and it wasnt pretty, now he has to show up. And I think Tomlin will make sure he does.
Best formula for Sweed improvement is competition
Guys, just re-watched the AFC championship game and am still a little amazed at the hitting that went on during that game. Great football. I think the best thing the Steelers did for Sweed in the offseason was signing McDonald and drafting Wallace. Competition brings out the best in good players. For all of the potential that you guys say Sweed is oozing with, he still has to prove that he can consistently catch the ball. I just haven’t seen it. We’re all pulling for the guy, but he has to prove that he can do that before anything else can be expected of him.
I think the kickoff returners will be Burnett and Wallace, with Burnett handling PR. S. Logan and Williams have a shot, but they’re going to have to do something extra special during the preseason to stick, though one or both could make the practice squad.
I still wonder how much better this OL could be if the team could have J. Capizzi and Starks as your bookend tackles, with Colon and Urbik battling for that starting RG position. I’ve had the opportunity to watch and re-watch several games from this season, and I’m just not that big a fan of Willie Colon as a RT.
Nobody is
Colon is a stank pot at RT. Honestly he needs to go. We’ve joked before that inanimate objects would likely out-perform him. At least not causing penalties.
I think personally I’d love to see Starks go back to LT, and watch a good open comp for RT. I think thats what we need.
In Colon’s defense, he did stay healthy which we desperately need. Perhaps in a consistent lineup sunday to sunday Colon would improve.
One problem I have with the whole Colon to RG is as much sense as it seems to make to every fan/beat writer, not one of them has ever indicated that the Steelers organization is even slightly thinking about giving Colon a shot at RG. If I remember correctly Tomlin said something before training camp last year that led me to believe he would not even think about trying him a RG during training camp.
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by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on May 26, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
What we think about his potential at RG means nothing. Colon is battling at RT and at the moment he doesn’t have any proven competition.
by SteelerBuddha on May 26, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Steelers Football
One of the things that I’ve noticed over the past couple years is that college rep means absolutely Zero to the Steelers. In fact it seems that they Steelers intentionally dry out college stars on the Bench in their first year. I think part of that is getting these guys to learn the system, but I think part of it is also making them fit into the system. Check your ego at the door and learn the way that the Steelers play football.
Watch Superbowl, AFC Champ, Division Round again for the 4th time
I watch the right side of our line get beat by X stunts, the tackle and end or LB crossing and the 2 meatheads (Staples and Colon) getting beat consistently. The were running pee wee football stunts getting to Ben.
We seriously need Tony Hill and Urbick to step up and take those jobs or we fire Zierlien for not developing Staples and Colon. Also, please add Spaeth to the list, he is flat out horrible blocker and looks lost in the passing game. He’s 6’7" with no push or blocking ability.
As far as Sweed is concerned the # 3 it is his to lose.
WR's
The debate will be settled in preseason. Imo, McDonald initially gets the nod over Sweed. I just don’t get from Tomlin he trusts Sweed yet and it will take more than just one preseason to earn that trust.
But, what intrigues me more is the overall talent on paper of the WR position:
Hines, Holmes, McDonald, Sweed, Wallace…WOW! It’s not just the talent individually but I think collectively they can complement each other very well.
You have the grizzled, tough, future HOF Hines provding invaluable leadership, making all the tough, clutch 3rd down plays/TDs. Then you have, the reigning SB MVP still coming into his own as a top notch NFL receiver and playmaker. Add to that physical specimen Sweed, who hopefully continues to progress and finds a comfort zone for himself as an NFL receiver…we don’t need him to carry the team, just make some plays when your numbers called…contribute. Wallace, nothing replaces speed. He will provide our vertical threat, along with Sweed and Holmes. But he has that extra, extra gear that few players have. If he proves to have decent hands and good location of the deep ball…wow! Throw in a capable veteran like McDonald, who hopefully will flash even more skills and production playing on a Championship team, surrounded by quality talent. And add to that potential talent/practice squad players Nance and Baker.
Again, I think collectively this could be a great mixture and collage of talent complementing each other. We could have the best WR talent, top to bottom, since our ‘96 SB with O’Donnell and the 5 receiver sets (pardon that reference…I still get a nauseous feeling when thinking about THAT SB…but I was just referring to the talent of our WR’s :)
I agree with the above posts…it probably is going to be a combination of all those guys getting to contribute throughout the entire season. It’s not going to be either Sweed or McDonald or Wallace but everyone contributing at various points, depending on the game and the situation.
How does everyone else feel about our WR’s as a group?

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