Intangibles Separate Ben Roethlisberger From Carson Palmer
[Editors Note:] The Debate of whether Ben Roethlisberger or Carson Palmer are the better quarterback has been stirring for days due to Steeler_'s post that you can find here. In that post SteelerBuddha wrote this epic response that warranted it's own front page highlight. Many thanks to him for this post that is so thorough as well as being a great read -DYM- (frank)
I think on paper Ben Roethlisberger and Carson Palmer are very comparable quarterbacks, very close – but Football isn’t played on paper. Football also (contrary to popular opinion these days) isn’t played in fantasy football leagues. It doesn’t matter how many points your starting QB get each week. It tells you absolutely zero about them as a football player.
Football is a team sport and there are too many confounding factors to truly know if one player is better than another/ This comparison is especially difficult when trying to compare a player on a bad team in comparison to a player on a good team. We will never know how well Palmer would have done as QB of the Steelers nor how well Ben would have done as QB of Bengals. For all of our conjecture there is just now way to make that comparison.
Having said that, the best we can do is ask – what has a player done in the context of their team. On that level I think you can read Carson Palmers story on two levels. An optimist can say that Palmer took a team that had not had a winning season in 14 years and took them to the playoffs in his second year, before suffering an injury that may have kept him from taking them further.
A pessimist on the other hand would say that Palmer took over a team which had gone 8-8 with Jon Kitna in 2003 and only once lead them to a record better then 8-8. I tend to think the truth is somewhere in between. Palmer is better then Jon Kitna, on the other hand, for many reasons (team culture, injury, etc) Palmer inherited a mediocre team on the rise and never really took them beyond being mediocre. I know that might sound a bit harsh to Bengals fans, but I honestly have yet to see proof to the contrary.
In contrast Big Ben’s story is all about transforming a franchise. Granted Ben took over a solid franchise, but it was a franchise with some serious recent struggles. In the previous 6 years – prior to Ben the Steelers had 3 winning seasons and three losing seasons. Even in their winning seasons they had suffered heartbreaking losses in the playoffs. It is fair to say that many of those losses were at least partly a result of poor QB play during the big game.
In 2003 the year prior to Ben’s arrival, the Steelers were 6-10 under Tommy Maddox – a QB that had some fans in Pittsburgh excited due to his impressive passing stats.
When Maddox went down with injury in the second game of the season – the Steelers had barely beaten a weak Raiders team and were down 20-0 to a decent Ravens team. With rookie Ben Roethlisberger at the helm they would win out the rest of their games – until being overwhelmed in the AFC championship game by a talented Patriots team that may or may not have been stealing their signals.
While the national media called Ben a game manager and laid the success of the team on Pittsburgh’s running game, there was no doubt amongst most (except the most dense) in Pittsburgh that Roethlisberger was responsible for the Steelers success. Sometimes it seemed that Ben single handedly willed the Steelers to victory in a close game. In his first year alone 5 or his 14 victories involved 4th quarter comebacks.
To Steelers fans long accustomed to QB’s who managed a run first offense but fell apart when asked to do too much, it was clear that Ben was taking the team to another level. If there was any doubt that Ben was leading the team in a new direction it was eliminated during an improbable 4 game road trip in 2005. The national media which was every bit as obsessed with fantasy football as the common fan, looked at the at 2004 and 2005 season and came up with the following story line. The Steelers were a run first team with a bruising defense. Ben was a promising young QB, but he worked best as a game manager. The interesting thing is that it seems that the Steelers opponents bought this story as well.
In three consecutive road games Ben put up gaudy numbers and buried the opposition early. Neither the Bengals nor the Broncos ever stood a chance. The Colts shouldn’t have either, but a terrible call overturning a Poluamulu interception and an inexplicable goal line fumble by Jerome Bettis put Ben back on the stage.
As Nick Harper raced towards the endzone and what would have undoubtedly been the single most heartbreaking loss in the history of the Steelers franchise, Big Ben the QB became Big Ben the football player and quite literally single handedly won the game.
The Steelers would go on to win the Super Bowl with Ben playing one the worst games of his career. He threw two interceptions – one of them leading directly to Seahawks only TD. The biggest pass of the game was thrown by one of his receivers. Ben led his team to the biggest stage and then disappeared. The critics were back in full-force. In the mind of the public Ben was once again an decent QB on a good team.
Never mind the fact that Ben was the youngest QB to ever win a superbowl. Never mind the fact that there was no way the Steelers would have gotten there without him. Never mind the fact that Ben’s mistakes came early in the game and that his team won. The Super Bowl shaped public perception of Ben – but it shaped it wrong.
To some people the 2006 season proved that Ben’s start was a fluke. To many Steelers fans it proved that not only was Ben great but that he was tough as hell. Two months after a life threatening accident and appendectomy, Ben played football.
He struggled and the team struggled. The team would lose 6 of the first 7 games with Ben under center. That’s two more losses then Ben had in his first two seasons combined. While some saw this as a sign of Ben’s weakness – I think it was actually a sign of his value to the team. With Ben getting healthier the team went on to win 6 of the last 8.
The next year – with a new coach and new offensive coordinator Ben took his team to the playoffs again. Once there the Steelers were stunned by the Jaguars. Looking at the stat line it’s easy to blame the game on Ben. He threw for three interceptions in the first half. But the reality was so much more complex. The steelers had NO running game. Willie Parker was on the sidelines in a case. Najeh "Dookie" Davenport – managed a stunning 1.6 yards per touch.
Ben had no choice but to drop back and face a furious pass rush. He was sacked 6 times. He was hit many more. And yet he mounted one of the great 4th quarter comebacks of his career, leading his team to 19 points in the quarter. In the end it was some egregious interior holding and a slow footed back up safety that cost Ben his great comeback. One can’t help but wonder what would have happened if Ben was one the field in place of Tyrone Carter. You just get the sense that he would not have allowed it.
I won’t recap the 2008 season, except to say that Ben played suffered a tough shoulder injury in game one got sacked 46 times, got hit hundreds of times, and played the toughest schedule in the league.
He suffered a brutal concussion in his last game….
And through it all – of the 14 games the Steelers won 7 featured 4th Quarter comebacks or game winning drives – including what will go down as one of the greatest drives in superbowl history capped by one of the greatest plays in superbowl history. What’s more, there is no doubt that these drives could have been accomplished by any QB that ever played for the Steelers and very few who ever played the game period.
While some still complain about Ben’s presence in the pocket, his decision making, his tendency to hold on the ball too long, his intelligence, his penchant for women with Big hair, his cockiness or the size of his chin. There is no one who can make an argument about his ability to win football games – in fact his ability to will his team to victory in close games is the intangible that separates him from other quarterbacks.
Remind me again when somebody has said the same about Carson Palmer, or Drew Brees, or Jay Cutler, or any of the other media darlings out there that put up flashy numbers, and get nominated for the pro-bowl?
I will give Brady his due. He deserves it. He is a great QB. I will give Peyton the same honor. But like so many here in Pittsburgh, it’s hard to argue with what we have seen Ben do on the field. You won’t see it on the stat line. You won’t see it at the pro-bowl. You won’t see it in your fantasy football league, or read about it in sports columns. He doesn’t make good commercials and you are more likely to see pictures of him chugging beer with some trashy busty local girl then hanging out with TV celebrities or Giselle.
But the kid wins football games. Pretty, ugly, scary and beautiful. He makes his team better – by winning games that other QBs could not win. I am not sure what stat I can show you to convince you. The truth is that I don’t care. Despite the long diatribe, I actually prefer that all of you out there think that Ben is a mediocre QB on a good team. I would rather they keep giving Ken Anderson trips to the pro-bowl because he puts up big stats. The bottom line is that it makes Ben angry and unlike most QBs he seems to play better angry.
And when he plays well the Steelers win Super Bowls.

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Picture of Ben with the arm tackle. You’re making me teary.
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by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 10:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Namaste
the football fan in me bows to the football fan in you….
Thanks guys for all the props – and thanks to Cleveland for making the counter argument and stoking the flames of my indignation.
Also thanks Milkshake for tossing this up on the front page, quite the honor! I also love the subs you made on some of the pictures, especially the picture of Ben throwing while wearing a 300lb linemen on him. There are so many damn intangibles that people don’t think about when they rank QBs. Remind me all you Brady or Peyton fans when the last time your guy made a throw like that.
Seriously I think we all need to appreciate what we have in Ben. I am a bit worried about how long he can sustain the punishment he is taking year in year out, but while he does it all we can do is thank the guy for playing some amazing football.
by SteelerBuddha on May 28, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Work on the post buddha
Had to change a couple of the pics, but luckily you seem to get most of your from the same spot as me.
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by drinkyourmilkshake on May 28, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All this credit for buddha!
First of all if it wasn’t for Buddha and I antagonizing each other there would be no post at all. The bad guy never gets any Pub! All joking aside this was a great read and i liked the pictures too. The only picture missing was Terry Bradshaw from Cannonball Run. Keep up the good work you are making my breaks from work much more enjoyable.
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by cleveland sucks on May 28, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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by drinkyourmilkshake on May 28, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep - that is the good stuff
If Big Ben can land this kind of role 10 years from now then he will be the best hands down!
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by cleveland sucks on May 28, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Plainview, there’s a decent article about the 3-4 vs. the 4-3 over at SteelerFury.com if you’re looking for links. Thought it was relevant with Lolley’s comments a few days ago.
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by BadMaafala on May 28, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is good stuff
checkin it out right now
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by drinkyourmilkshake on May 28, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Own Mini-Intangibles Comparison of Big Ben to Carson
Player # of Super Bowl Victories
Big Ben 2
Carson 0
Carson is without a doubt the most successful Bungle QB since Boomer, and my opinion, he’s probably a better overall QB than Ben in almost any measurable category. But Ben just wins, period.
by Mark in SC on May 28, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post and good argument in favor of Ben
Ben reminds me of a hero in a Western. Way back when I was a kid my Mom used to watch a Western series called Cheyenne. The actor who played Cheyenne was Clint Walker, a big handsome lug who made my Mom swoon every time he took off his shirt (which he managed to do at least once an episode). He’d also get in at least one fist fight each show. Cheyenne would always get his ass kicked for the first minute or so. Only when he wiped some blood from his mouth was he ready for action. At that point he’d thrash the daylights out of the two or three guys who were stupid enough to take him on.
I think there are some legitimate reasons to criticize the consistency of Ben’s play. He doesn’t seem to have the same sense of urgency early in games, and this can lead to our ineffective offense failing to put teams away. The Indianapolis game from last year comes to mind. But it is sure nice to know that he is a “gamer” once he gets motivated. We’re spoiled into thinking all his late game heroics are normal for a quarterback. They’re not. If you need further proof think Brister. Tomczak. Maddox. Stewart.
by MelBlunt on May 28, 2009 11:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I think a lot of the consistency issues go back to the scheme and plan (or lack of) made by Bruce Arians. If there is no plan and you play backyard ball, you’ll make some amazing plays, but it’s going to break down at times as well.
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by BadMaafala on May 28, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
I think that part of it goes on the O-line. Ben has shown the ability to consistently avoid one guy in the backfield. The amazing thing about him is that if you watch game tape of his sacks, he’s often dealing with a jail break – a total collapse of the pocket. Early on in the game he goes down. But at the end of the game we’ve all seen him make the impossible play with three to four guy coming at him.
He has not been a great pocket QB – but in all fairness he hasn’t had a pocket for the past three years.
by SteelerBuddha on May 28, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jaguars game this year was a Ben game for the ages.
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by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of, rewatch those highlights if you need a reason to keep MeMo and Miller on the roster. Forever.
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by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell, Nate Washington for that matter.
Hell of a game from our boys.
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by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, it's not fair to blame inconsistency on one guy
The lack of pass protection and a reliable running game are two big factors. Also, when they go to the no-huddle and Ben controls the pace of the game the entire offense tends to respond.
by MelBlunt on May 28, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thief
Mark stole my line. All the QB’s are bettr than Ben, the only thing he can do is win.
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by Heckers on May 28, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
really
thats all that matters though. winning!!.a million towchdowns is nothing without superbowls
by nymac4life on May 30, 2009 6:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT??
All the QB’s are bettr than Ben, the only thing he can do is win.
And this “winning” is suddenly bad because……
waiting for sound reasoning?
Steelergurl
by Steelergurl on May 30, 2009 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweed losing battle for No. 3 WR
- Although it’s football in shorts, our favorite insider Jim Wexell said in his latest update on Steelers OTA’s that Sweed won’t be the team’s no. 3 WR this year. He said the favorite right now has to be Shaun MCDonald, not that he has shown much either. The reason? No one else appears capable of running those inside routes that veteran slot receivers can run. Sweed also had a rough day on Wednesday catching the football, with 2 big drops.
- And the person who Wex feels has the only real chance of beating out McDonald for the open slot receiver spot? Street free agent WR Brandon Williams.
- A big day for punt returners. Wex said that Stefan Logan, who teammates have nicknamed “Half-pint”, will have a fan following by training camp because of his quickness. Apparently, Tomlin is taking a liking to the guy as well. After Logan went deep to snag a ball over his shoulder, Tomlin asked him if he had ever played baseball before, and told him to catch the next deep one like a center fielder. A few kicks later, Logan took his eyes off the ball, ran to a spot, just like he was Willie Mays, turned, picked up the ball and caught it easily. Tomlin’s response? “There you go!”
- While Logan impressed, Wex said he believes 5th-rounder Joe Burnett is the leader for the PR gig, showing poise and polish beyond his years. He believes Burnett is a natural punt-catcher and knows exactly what he wants to do with the ball and where he wants to go. He asked an assistant coach if Burnett has a good chance to be the no. 1 PR. The AC said Burnett has a “GREAT” chance to be the man. We all know who is the no. 1 KR, he of the 4.28 speed in the 40 and stylist Mohawk, Mr. Mike “Just Watch Me Take It 2 The House” Wallace.
- Wex noted that 3rd-round rookie CB Keenan Lewis flashed pro recovery speed to break up a deep pass intended for Brandon Williams on one play. Did I mention before that Wex, D. Lolley and a few scouts attending the Steelers practices really like this Williams kid?
- Catch of the day went to Heath Miller, who turned CB/S Roy Lewis around on one play to get behind him and haul in a deep pass. On the next play, Big Ben scrambled, motioned for TE Matt Spaeth to break deep, but he couldn’t lose Lewis, who broke up the pass.
That’s it for now. Someone be prepared to comfort Steelergurl about the news on Sweed.
by datruth4life on May 28, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We all like underdogs, and I really want Logan to succeed, but I really have a hard time seeing how he makes the roster. Lolley reports he is being worked out at WR, but that is a position that has just as much competition as anywhere else he is being looked at and he has a sever handicap at that position unless he has one hell of a vertical jump. He has competition at KR, and even if he was better at it I have a hard time seeing him making the team based solely on ST given that there should be a lot of ST studs around that can also do other things. I don’t know…I just don’t see him sticking.
If so, where? Who does he beat out? Can he make the team by just being a hands down better KR than Wallace?
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by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad news on Sweed
It’s hard to believe that a guy with his college pedigree just won’t make it in the pros. It still seems to be a concentration problem. I wonder though if they just take a risk on him and let him develop a bit. Even great receivers go through prolonged cases of the dropsies. Think Braylon Edwards or TO from last year. Both guys dropped routine passes at an alarming rate, but I don’t think that their teams were ready to give up on them because of everything else they brought. Think of Nate Washington. A big guy who consistently gets open is a bigger threat than a guy who can’t create separation, even if he catches more consistently. At least I think.
by SteelerBuddha on May 28, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I liked the “Sweed is looking great” reports better, but everyone drops the ball sometimes – especially our WR’s last year. He’s still got plenty of potential, and even Washington developed more reliable hands as he progressed.
Also, I’m not surprised at all about McDonald. I could have told you that he was the best route runner vying for the #3. He’ll make the roster because of his experience and because if Ward misses some time, he’ll be our best possession WR. I still don’t know that we need a possession guy as the #3, since Ward usually lined up in the slot last year anyway and Washington was the deep threat. Sweed (or Wallace for that matter) could definitely fill Washington’s role from last year. Both McDonald and Sweed bring something to the table, so ideally, I’d like to see them split time at the #3 spot.
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by BadMaafala on May 28, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As mentioned elsewhere, the splitting time at #3 would definitely be a nice way to go depending on our needs either Sweed/McDonald. Since Wallace may be active just for KR, we may even have 3 options when running 3 WR sets. I really like what each of those guys could bring to the table in terms of ability. Sweed, Ronald, and Wallace are all very different players and give us a dynamic set for what we want to do on offense.
Sweed makes the team for sure. McDonald makes the team for sure. Wallace makes the team for sure. Not sure where this Williams guy fits in if he’s as good in pads as the FO thinks he is.
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by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the only problem with swapping the WR’s is that it would require effective game-planning and play design from Arians which I’m not confident that he could deliver.
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by BadMaafala on May 28, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You fool. You don’t need a gameplan when you have 3 TEs!
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by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m personally hoping we ditch WR’s all together and opt for a 5 wide TE’s package instead. Maybe we can even motion one into the backfield and hand of to him when coach says we have to run the ball.
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by NYSteelersFan4 on May 28, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also hear Spaeth has an arm on him…
by Varmint on May 28, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I understand Arians wanted to try Spaeth at RT as well. On second thought, not sure he could be much worse then FWC.
by SteelerBuddha on May 28, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Arians will father the 11 TE offense.
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by BadMaafala on May 28, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had to re-read your sentence because for a second I thought you were trying to say that Arians should father 11 offensive lineman
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by drinkyourmilkshake on May 28, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
On both counts. I think Arians would run an 11 TE offense if Tomlin would let him. I also think that his fathering 11 offensive linemen, might be a better long term plan for dealing with our O-line troubles then the current FO plan of re-signing FWColon and paying Max Starks Pro-Bowl money. . I hope I am wrong.
by SteelerBuddha on May 28, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they were Arians’ kids though, I doubt they’d be good at understanding the offensive scheme or picking up blitzes. In fact they’d probably be big and slow but think they should play in a zone blocking system…
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by BadMaafala on May 28, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bwaaaahhhaaahhhaaa
PS – I’m not an Arians fan if you haven’t noticed.
Think I can be a better play caller myself quite frankly.
The end.
Steelergurl
by Steelergurl on May 29, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if I’d be able to be a better play caller or not, but I could definitely find one. Like Cam Cameron last year. Damn.
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by BadMaafala on May 29, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
We’ll just run QB sweeps with Ben.
by Chicago Steeler on May 28, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor sweed
I’m ok (feeling the love on BTSC, btw)…
Because at the end of the day, I want to win…whether it’s Sweed or the next dude…and there will be a next dude…
But my take…man, if it’s year two and he’s not better than year one, I hate to see what year three looks like for him…(CUT!)
They call it the National Football League…it ain’t for pansies…catch the ball or keep on runnin’ right off the field.
I feel for the kid…lots of pressure.
And it’s got to be hard just managing all the BS that goes with being an NFL player OFF the field – and by BS I am referring to girls.
Not girls like me, but girls like groupie girls.
Focus Limas, Focus.
F O C U S!
willing him to catch the ball telepathically
that is all.
Steelergurl
by Steelergurl on May 28, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction...
The NFL IS a league for pansies… just ask Troy. Pretty soon it will be the NFFL (National Flag Football League)
by Piratefan13 on May 28, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NFFL
Damn…fair enough…
forgot all that Hines Ward rule BS and all.
Steelergurl stands corrected.
Steelergurl
by Steelergurl on May 28, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
We should get him fixed. Yea that will solve the groupie problem :) Steelergurl you are the biggest sweed fan beside me, I think Ben wants this guy to do well and all in all, dropping 2 passes in OTAs isn’t a huge deal. Jerry Rice has dropped passes before so lets not just count him out just yet.
by tannofsteel84 on Jun 2, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Ben & Pass Protection
The thought of having some for our franchise would be nice. Let’s see Brady, Peyton and Rivers put up their same numbers behind this OL. It’s incredible when a team like Tenn gives up 12 sacks in a season. Hell, Ben could have been sacked 12 times against the Eagles — In The First Half!
Would love to see what our boy-wonder could do with a top tier OL in front of him. As long as Colon and Stapleton are starting, I don’t think that’ll happen.
by datruth4life on May 28, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So true
People forget how good Ben looks with time to throw, because they see it so rarely. Yes he doesn’t get rid of the ball as fast as Peyton or Marino, but you really can’t blame the guy for the 40 plus sacks he’s taking a year.
by SteelerBuddha on May 28, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Half-Pint to the practice squad
S. Logan will have a comfy spot on the practice squad if he shows anything. It’d be nice to have a decent PR/KR available in case someone comes down with an injury.
I believe Burnett and Wallace will be ahead of him because they both could see some time in the team’s sub offensive and defensive pkgs. Wallace will be a playmaker for this team, especially stretching the field for Ben.
by datruth4life on May 28, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wouldn’t he make more money in the CFL than squating on our Pratice Squad? or another NFL team should look to scoop him up.
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by drinkyourmilkshake on May 28, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming no other team would take him (and I suspect he might be safe), I could be convinced that Logan would stick around on a PS for a chance to eventually a start. However, I don’t know that he’d want to stick around on our PS. Even if he could be a starting RB, the depth is pretty tough at that position for him to break into.
I think he’d have to be a return specialist, and keeping a solely return specialist on PS seems pretty unlikely to me given that we didn’t even have a decent starting PR/KR last year.
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by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why don’t we just cut Willie Parker?… that would open up a spot for him
Seems like a popular enough decision around here.
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by drinkyourmilkshake on May 28, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should trade him this year for LeCharles Bentley.
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by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frank the tank
Why has everybody already given this cat a roster spot? I would like to see how this all shakes out in Latrobe and you never know what injuries will affect the depth chart.
Have you ever seen Mike Tomlin and Omar Epps in the same place at the same time?
by cleveland sucks on May 28, 2009 11:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whom do you mean by “everybody”?
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by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you
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by drinkyourmilkshake on May 28, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly don’t think he’ll make the roster.
Hate to say it, but:
Parker, Mendy, More, Davis
Miller, Spaeth, McHugh
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by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know i was just teasing
for all the high hopes, he has a difficult climb up the mountain to make it
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by drinkyourmilkshake on May 28, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love Summers instead of Davis, but I don’t see it happening.
Mike Tomlin “loves” competition, but I haven’t seen many indications that he is willing to let the winner of the competition actually start. Can anyone point out a starter that was dislodged through competition last year? I sure as hell can’t.
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by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mahan does not in any way, shape or form count.
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by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
I think the only evidence is at backup spots. Anthony Smith got beat out by Carter. Willie Gay beat out Deshea as the #3 corner. Eventually McHugh beat out Davis for most fullback duties.
by Chicago Steeler on May 28, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's still football in shorts
Not encouraging news on Sweed, but let’s remember it is still football in shorts. Let’s see what he does when the pads go on. Anyone can have an offday. Let’s just hope he doesn’t have permanent damage in his hands like Ike.
As for S. Logan, if the kid doesn’t make this team and has other options elsewhere, God Bless him. Not too many years left for an NFL career when you are already a 28-year-old rookie.
by datruth4life on May 28, 2009 12:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Usually WRs don’t perform better when they are about have the boomstick leveled on them. Some players perform better when in traffic and against competition. Surveys have shown that Sweed is not one of those players.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Show the love
He’s not done yet. I refuse to believe that the guy goes in the recycle bin after 1 season and a couple OTAs. Based on absolutely nothing apart from work ethic, size/speed, and his ability to create separation, I think the guys sticks and has a big year next year.
by SteelerBuddha on May 28, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said otherwise. Sweed should definitely stick this year. In fact, I expect him to succeed despite evidence to the contrary.
However, I think the argument that a player like Sweed will improve once the pads are on is full of holes.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy argument
OK – so this might be a stretch, but I do think that Sweed will improve with the pads. My main reason for believing this is that he seems to play hard – especially for a guy who was once tagged as a possible top ten. The blocks and interception break up that he had during the Baltimore game shows me the kid does not give up and that it’s very likely that he has been trying to hard. I think that some time to prove himself in regular season games as opposed to tight playoff games against the Ravens – will do wonders for his confidence.
At least that’s the way I see it through my Rose colored glasses.
by SteelerBuddha on May 28, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish they’d mass-produce those glasses so I could wear them for awhile. I expect Sweed to succeed because he can get open (which is very important) and because he seemed to be better at catching the ball in college (though there are reports he had some problems), that leads me to believe like you that a lot of it is nerves/trying too hard.
However, if he can’t catch the ball in practice that worries me. The kid may not “give up” but he also does not “get up” after missing a game-clinching catch. His confidence didn’t help him in the SB when it was necessary for him to step up to take pressure off the very injured Ward. Holmes and Nate carried the WR position.
From all accounts Sweed appears to be working hard, but that isn’t translating to OTA success let alone success when all eyes are on him and he has pads on. I still think he’ll succeed because of reasons in the first paragraph, but there are question marks and I don’t think those are magically dry-erased when pads go on, and see no evidence to support that theory (I don’t subscribe to that hocus-pocus). The steelers stuck with Nate Washington for years even though he was everyone’s constant goat. Nate helped the steelers win. If Sweed can be our Nate (though he’ll have competition from Wallace) and help us win the SB I’ll be satisfied, even if he still has problems with his hands and was a 2nd round pick.
I sincerely hope for a diatribe as beautiful as this Ben one three years from now on Sweed, by the way.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps Limas caught a cold and the illness is the reason he is dropping all those passes…
Oh ya, forget he can’t catch anything.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on May 28, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Tank Stays; C. Davis & FWP nearing their ends
Remember, FWP will probably be gone in 2010, and a Top 3 at RB of Mendenhall, Moore & the Tank looks pretty good to me. If rookie FA RB Isaac Redman (6’0, 230 lbs.) shows anything this summer, I would expect the Steelers to stash him on the practice squad this year and let him compete for an open roster spot at RB in 2010.
This front office is always thinking a year or two ahead.
by datruth4life on May 28, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’d be nice if Alejandro Shipley could long-snap the ball. Then we wouldn’t have to worry so much about this extra roster spot.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no Willie Parker doesn’t look fine to me.
by shleeve on May 28, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just Catch The Damn Ball
That’s all Sweed has to do. Can he? We’lll see.
by datruth4life on May 28, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
8 reasons why the Tank makes it here
No way the Tank doesn’t make this team. Here are 8 reasons why he sticks:
A. He’s the short yardage person the team has been missing since the Bus left
B. Position flexibility (RB/FB) with great hands
C. Can play on all 4 special teams units
D. Best receiver of all the FB/H-back options (not counting A. Johnson, whom I haven’t seen yet)
E. You get to keep him for the next 4 years for next to nothing
F. He can actually do something with the football other than fall down, like C. Davis
G. If the offensive coordinator begged for the team to draft you and the coach loves you, where are you going?
H. Having a Tank in Pittsburgh just feels right. Kind of like Clark knocking out Welker and McGahee. He belongs here.
by datruth4life on May 28, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A. Nobody has seen anything from him at this level to justify that
B. Agree on the position flexibility, but he has to show that on the field, not in theory.
C. Agree
D. Nobody has seen anything from him at this level to justify that
E. Agree
F. Nobody has seen anything from him at this level to justify that
G. Good Point, but everyone the Steelers draft they are very excited about.
H. Totally agree on this point. He does feel like a Steeler.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on May 28, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
8 reasons why Tank doesn't make it here
A. He is unproven as a short-yardage back in the NFL.
B. No history of blocking at FB, didn’t want to be FB in college
C. There is a ton of ST competition on all 4 units
D. Not smart enough to pick up the playbook to use his hands
E. He uses up a roster spot that we need
F. The coaches love C. Davis
G. The OC has no idea how to use 3 RBs, let alone 4
H. Pittsburgh hasn’t been a pound it down your throat team in years…and still won a SB
I see dyms beat me to it below, but screw that guy. And I’m just being contrarian, I’d love Summers to make it, but your points are convincing me quite yet Datruth. Unlike Sweed, Summers is really a guy we need to see in pads in order to make any determinations.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Proof
That football season needs to get here FAST.
We are having fierce theoretical discussions about 5th round picks who have never put on pads in their life making the team. That tells you that we desperately need some real football news soon so that we can all start concentrating on stuff that’s even remotely knowable.
Not saying it ain’t fun, though, just that I wish the damn season would start already.
by SteelerBuddha on May 28, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha ha, I love it. Other teams are talking about their #1 WRs and we’re discussing our #5.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell
We’re having discussions about our long snapper and which back-up punt-returners and third string centers we want to stash on our practice squad. That maybe a sign we are in good shape.
by SteelerBuddha on May 28, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like Estermeyer to take the job if he can. Seems like he should be able to get the job done and is cheaper. Not that he’s in the running anymore, but Retkostfkakysks got pushed around a lot after the snap and was still sending them a bit off-key. Warren is solid but eh…he’s a LS.
Someday we’ll actually get a LS who can do something besides just LS. Not easy to find, but worth searching for. Saving a roster spot is a hell of a coup, and I’d rather roll with a backup LS/backup center than 2 QBs to do so. If Alejandro Quintaplous can long-snap decently and be a backup center I’d take T-Rex over Estermeyer in a second. If he ever has to fill in along the line (and I’m not saying he can…yet), last year proved that finding a backup LS is not a difficult prospect.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you’ve done it.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats pretty much the maximum amount of words you can write about long snappers without getting too ridiculous.
by shleeve on May 28, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For those who doubt the Tank ...
No problem. Again, I don’t put much stock in OTAs. Just wait until the pads go on and you’ll see why I really like this kid and Wallace. Not on a soap box about either one, but you’ll see.
Have I let any of you down yet?
by datruth4life on May 28, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not yet brother…I just really would like the tank to work out and don’t want to see him land on some dumpy team when he doesn’t work out with us.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on May 28, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Underpromise, Overperform
I told my girlfriend that’s the motto for our sex life from here on out.
by datruth4life on May 28, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I just can’t imagine the dirty talk of “I’m ready for a 1-second performance” working. :)
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now this is proof we need the season to start… soon. Hahaha.
by NYSteelersFan4 on May 28, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Tomlin's Guide to Fun and Success in the Bedroom
“…I am not a proponent of the Gatorade Bath”
“Iron Sharpens Iron”
"Thoughtfully non-rhythmic."
“We have miles to go before we sleep”
"We’ve got a big windshield and a small rearview mirror."
“Hunger and thirst can be quenched…we have to seek greatness”
“every play must be like a player’s last”
“it’s simple play hard, play 60 min., play as a team”
"We’re back in the lab this time of year working trying to get better in those areas"
"We pride ourselves in not only evaluating talent, but developing it"
“I don’t want our level of preparation or focus to be in response to last weeks performance. That is the only way we are going to be great…. Every time you take the field (bed?) you have to come to play.”
“They don’t evaluate me, I evaluate them…”
“it’s not what you are capable off, it’s what you are willing to do”
and of course….
“Under-promise, over-deliver!”
by SteelerBuddha on May 28, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
ok, never mind
that was funny…I’m listening…
Steelergurl
by Steelergurl on May 28, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Coach is wise. His pearls of wisdom apply equally on the football field and in many other parts of life.
by SteelerBuddha on May 28, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lucky wife.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jealous 99? Seems like it to me. Haha.
by NYSteelersFan4 on May 28, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His wife is hot as hell.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES she is....
for a whole host of reasons i will not get into @ BTSC
That is all.
yes, i am a hater!
Steelergurl
by Steelergurl on May 28, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, very well done!
You couldn’t quite work in “We defend every blade of grass” could you?
by MelBlunt on May 28, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um...
there were some pearls that I figured were better left of the necklace of wisdom and some blades of grass that seemed wise not too touch. But that’s not saying you all shouldn’t step up with your favorites….
by SteelerBuddha on May 28, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s so incredibly wrong.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
only wrong if someone notices and comments.
My girlfriend studies human sexuality. I can’t help it. I actually really toned down the original post – in which I explained what I thought each line meant.
by SteelerBuddha on May 29, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose there are worse things to have your girlfriend studying, as long as it doesn’t get creepy. Well, too creepy, anyway.
charity standing orders
by BadMaafala on May 29, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably depends on how many “case studies” she needs to perform, and on which gender.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on May 29, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking mostly about all that Oedipus complex stuff
charity standing orders
by BadMaafala on May 29, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry boys
She’s very positive about sex and not at all into the Fruedian stuff.
by SteelerBuddha on May 29, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That stuff is gross enough to make one white in the face.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on May 29, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does “I don’t buy into that hocus pocus” fit into this?
by shleeve on May 28, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait ’til you see where they pull the rabbit out of.
by NYSteelersFan4 on May 29, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty disgusted but……can’t…..turn….away
by shleeve on May 29, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn. That was good.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on May 28, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahaha
“it’s not what you are capable off, it’s what you are willing to do”
Absolutely fantastic. From now on I’m going to add “in bed” to anything Tomlin says.
SteelerBuddha: putting the “O” in “Om”.
charity standing orders
by BadMaafala on May 28, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice
We could market Tomlin Fortune Cookies!
by Chicago Steeler on May 28, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some other Upright Citizens Brigade fans?….who knew?
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on May 28, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/52261/detail/
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on May 28, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Attn all Boys: Girls now read this site
lalalalalalala I am not listening
:)
Steelergurl
by Steelergurl on May 28, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You love it Steelergurl! LOL
The very existence of flamethrowers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."
-George Carlin
by Cdsumm on May 28, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah....
But I am easily entertained….
Steelergurl
by Steelergurl on May 28, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SteelerBuddha, now that's genuis
Steelergurl,
Since I have a B-day coming up, how do you think this would go over with my lady:
“Baby, It’s not what you are capable of, it’s what you are willing to do.”
Now if she goes for that, then I’ll bring up the possibility of doing somehting “thoughtfully non-rhythmic.” Always appreciates a woman’s point of view.
by datruth4life on May 28, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just be careful
Not to suggest the gatorade bath. There a good reasons coach is against it.
and remember truth – “every play must be like a players last”
by SteelerBuddha on May 28, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lmao
tell you what, you try that and report back to us what happens….lol
It might just work…I mean, if Coach said it to me in that same context I might forget he even has a wife.
(KIDDING boys, Steelergurl doesn’t play like that – well, the forgetting the wife part)
Steelergurl
by Steelergurl on May 28, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have the largest man crush on MT….
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on May 28, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a big girl crush on him too….plus, truth is, he’s closer to my age than the young’ins.
I have an ex-bf fm college who is a coach @ the Cardinals. Uneffingbelievable.
Steelergurl
by Steelergurl on May 28, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ppl leave the room (wife included) when Mike does his post game pressers or any other interview to give us our alone time
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on May 28, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
yes i do
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on May 28, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Worry
I promise to defend every blade of grass.
by datruth4life on May 28, 2009 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i wanna see palmer play infront of a crappy line and still win a super bowl
by t1mmy10 on May 28, 2009 11:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't
I’d rather not see him win the super bowl at all.
by Chicago Steeler on May 29, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Palmer SB
Happily the chance that we will see Palmer win a Super Bowl any time soon is about as slim as the chance that the Pirates will win the World Series.
by SteelerBuddha on May 29, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey now. its not like the bengals are a college football team trying to compete among the professionals. where as the pirates are like a triple A team
by t1mmy10 on May 30, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Epic Post
And don’t forget Ben’s escapability and improvisational skills, which no other QB in the league can compare with.
by yettibrad on May 29, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If there's a stat....
… it would be the percentage and number of completions after being contacted or hurried.
by Varmint on May 29, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SteelerBuddha, I took a human sexuality in college
The most entertaining and fun course I ever took in college or graduate school. The teacher was a licensed sex therapist who always kept things lively. Didn’t know much about her, but you could tell she was a FREAK (yeah, I know Steelergurl, you aren’t listening).
Would often divide us into groups and give us a prop or 2 (a feather, a string of beads, straps, stuff like that) and would urge us to come up with creative ways of using those objects to enhance our sex life. Between those exercises, the films she’d show and the guests she’d have come in and lecture us, this was the type of class very few blew off.
Man, who said a good education doesn’t pay?
by datruth4life on May 29, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't listenting...
but then I saw the words “props” and “sexuality”….
KIDDING
What I am really doing is excelling at being non-productive today.
Steelergurl
by Steelergurl on May 29, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You better not let raven find out about this!!
charity standing orders
by BadMaafala on May 29, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the sroty! I will pass on the story to the lady
She’s pretty awesome. I could see here being a great teacher if she chose that direction ( :
by SteelerBuddha on May 29, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bet you’re a very willing student.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on May 29, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm..
So we now know that datruth is our resident human sexuality expert, although we can always refer back to Buddha’s significant other. BTSC is going to become the new Angie’s List.
by Chicago Steeler on May 29, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m curious about what ’guests" came in to talk……
Ron Jeremy?
by shleeve on May 29, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is too busy coaching the magic
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on May 29, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by chance did you happen to play corny 70’s porno music when having these “group sessions”?
by t1mmy10 on May 30, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steelers have look of a Focused Team, according to JW
Guys, here are some tidbits from our favorite inside beat writer for the Steelers, Jim Wexell, on the latest with team OTA’s:
5/28/09
- M. Tomlin has to be pleased with the work the team got in this week as well as the overall attitude of the team, according to Wex. The Steelers have the look of a focused team with no signs of a Super Bowl hangover, malaise, or whatever, maybe due to the fact that this is a contract year for about one-fifth of the team. Ben has been at every practice and the only veterans missing (Troy P. & S. Holmes) are working out elsewhere, opening up opportunities for other young players to learn and develop in positions where depth is sorely needed.
- The RB’s are looking great, Wex said. Mendy is looking like a bell cow back and FWP, who is in great shape, seems to be up to the challenge and is working hard on his hands (or lack thereof). M. Moore is solid at no. 3 and the team finally cranked up the “Tank,” letting the big guy rumble around the field a little bit. On one play, the Tank effortlessly caught a high swing pass & quickly turned it upfield to the sound of Tomlin roaring. After the play, one of the coaches pulled Tank aside & provided a little extra coaching, something about looking to make a DB, S or LB roadkill after making a catch like that. Wex said he thinks the Tank could be a force some day. Patience people, patience.
- Even FB Ryan Powdrell showed some explosiveness during the practice, looking like he’s over that gruesome ankle injury that is a you-tube stomach turner (I’ve seen it and it is nasty). Wex’s grade for the RB’s so far: Good, solid group with the potential for greatness.
- M. Starks missed the workout, which allowed Essex to fill in at LT. That moved G K. Urbik up to the 2nd team. You can’t tell much about DL & OL during football in shorts, but Urbik looks like he is strong enough and quick enough to provide some competition, he said.
- Limas Sweed continues his little girl with the curls routine. Sweed took one slant up the middle (without a defense) that provided Wex with some goose bumps about the big, fast man’s potential. Then the bad Sweed – he dropped a short pass over the middle with A. Madison in coverage. One Scout compared Sweed’s inconsistency to a young Plaxico Burress and is optimistic of a similar developmental curve for the guy. Let’s hope Sweed’s story here ends up a lot better than Plex’s did.
- Shaun McDonald looked good in the slot and Ziggy is a big man that can move. Ziggy was moving from sideline to sideline during the practice and had Tomlin pretty amped up. Mike Wallace had the indoor Arena in a state of eruption on one bomb attempt after blowing by the secondary, but the pass by Batch was underthrown and Ike recovered to break up the play. Tomlin threw a phantom flag on the play anyway.
That’s it for now. Be blessed, all.
by datruth4life on May 29, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Questions/comments
1. What is a cow bell back?
2. Any word on why Hills remains in the lower levels of back-up hell?
3. If Limas ends up being half the receiver Plex was, we won’t have much to worry about.
by SteelerBuddha on May 29, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2. Cause he sucks. Oh snap. Seriously though, they wouldn’t let Orlando Pace pass Essex on the depth chart in OTA’s. Not their style.
3. Yeah, I’m about 98% sure Limas has a better head on his shoulders than Plex, so if he pulls it together on the field, that’d be great news.
charity standing orders
by BadMaafala on May 29, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. What is a cow bell back?
Meaning he runs like a bull. Or at least that’s how I read it.
by Varmint on May 29, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. I may be wrong, but i believe a cow bell back is a player who wears a cow bell when playing, so that players in front of him know where he is so they can block without needing to check behind to see where the runner is heading
Bleeding Black and Gold since 1989 baby, Blitzburgh is back, time for a repeat!
by Steeler_ on Jun 1, 2009 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Big Ben there isn’t a game that we can’t win…not many teams can say that about their QB.
by mtbkr4life on May 29, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chicago Steeler, let's leave all human sexuality stuff to Steelergurl
For those who honestly don’t know (which I think are few and far between here), a bell cow back is a RB who is capable of handling a heavy load, rushing and receiving.
Wex just thought Mendy looked like that type of RB. Think a bigger FWP (not quite as fast though) who can pound inside the tackles and catch the ball.
by datruth4life on May 29, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not as fast, Can Run inside the Tackles and can catch the ball….the actually sounds like the complete opposite of FWP…haha
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on May 29, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
their ability to hold on to the ball is similar…….so theres that (though I’d give the edge to Willie)
by shleeve on May 29, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade FWP!
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on May 30, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How the hell...
did I get dropped into the human sexuality stuff???
turns and heads to the door
I’ll be back when you fools wanna talk football :)
Steelergurl
by Steelergurl on May 30, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just ask the Baltimore Ravens defense which QB they would rather go up against lol.
by Bobby W on Jun 3, 2009 1:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yesterday is gone
Yea, I’m a Bengals fan and as an outsider I must say that the reason that the Steelers continue to win is that they do not rest on their past victories and are not content. I am full of hope that the Bengals have a chance to join you in a year or so. I followed Ben in college. Great player and great guy – I have met him several times. I have only met Carson once but he seems to also be a great guy and player.
As a Bengal fan we cherish victories against you because, first of all they are not common and second because you are the best. Hopefully this past off season indicated a change for the good in Cincy and we will be able to compete with you on a more consistant basis. We probably aren’t quite there yet but I would say this. Don’t over look us. We are hungry. We are better. We will fight like our lived depend on it. If you do like you always do and stand up you have the edge – let up and we beat you. Carson is really as good of a QB as any in the league on any given day.
I feel the same way the younger sister did to Dottie in “A League of Their Own”. She loved her older sister but seemed to resent her when she really admired her. In one scene she said “Why do you have to be so good?”. In the end of the movie she beat her older sister. That is our hope here in Cincy.
" My enemy said "Love your enemy". I obeyed and loved myself." Gibran
by JUNGLEJOHN on Jun 4, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
false hope dude. you should be writing this in the cleveland blog. look up to them first and then you can chat with the big boys. like tom hanks said in that movie you mentioned “keep crying dotty and we’ll trade you to cincy.”
by raven on Jun 4, 2009 11:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
one more note since you are the only one i can talk smack to here because pitt is our daddy right now. palmer doesn’t have it. he’s the same player in the first quarter as he is in the 4th. ben has that extra pistol strapped to his ankle that he pulls out and shoots ratbirds late in the game. palmer just falls down and gets carted off.
by raven on Jun 5, 2009 12:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not interested
Not into smack. Smack is for mouth breathers who ride the short bus. I want to talk football. If you just can’t help yourself then you should go to the cleveland site. They seem to be into it too as they also have an average IQ that is about room temperature.
" My enemy said "Love your enemy". I obeyed and loved myself." Gibran
by JUNGLEJOHN on Jun 8, 2009 8:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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