BTSC Steelers Daily Six Pack-Tuesday Edition
IX- Ike Taylor is becoming one of the main leaders on the Steelers defense, the 29 year old is mentoring third year player William Gay and helped work out third round draft pick Keenan Lewis before April's draft. Taylor also restructured his contract to help the Steelers free up enough money to sign James Harrison to his monster deal. The most interesting fact to me in the whole article is Taylor ran a 4.18 at his pro day workout in his rookie season; that's some blazing speed. It's great to see Ike Taylor really coming into his own, now if we could just teach him to catch.
X- If your squeamish or just ate lunch, I'm not sure you will want to watch this video of Jaguars' receiver Torry Holt's finger. Mark this down as more damage the brutal defense of the Steelers has inflicted on opposing players.
XIII- Today at 1:30pm Ed Bouchette from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette conducted his monthly chat. The chats are almost always entertaining and occasionally Ed will even throw us fans a bone with some actual inside information. Unfortunately today there was nothing groundbreaking in the way of news from the Chat. Although Bouchette does seem happy with the Steelers draft and feels we have adequate depth behind Timmons at ILB after losing Larry Foote. The one comment that did catch my attention was regarding Gary Russell's release that was reported to be due to cap reasons; Bouchette said "That was a smokescreen about needing cap room from Russell to sign Batch."
XIV- Deshea Townsend is looking to extend his career beyond the 2009 season with the Steelers, which is his last under contract with the team. At mini-camp the Steelers are giving the 11 year veteran reps at safety which might be a good fit for Townsend with his diminished speed. Townsend has never been the biggest or the quickest on the team and has always found a way to make an impact, and I expect nothing less from his going into this season. Besides if the Steelers decide not to re-sign him next season he can always join Bryant McFadden over at Pittsburgh-West.
XL- Over the weekend former Buffalo Bills quarterback and former congressmen Jack Kemp passed away at the age of 73 after a battle with cancer. One fact I didn't realize until recently was that Kemp played his first season in the NFL with non other than the Pittsburgh Steelers. Kemp played in 4 games in the 1957 season but he is probably best known for his time with the Buffalo Bills, and his time in politics, when he was Bob Dole's running mate in 1996.
XLIII- In one of the more bizarre stories I have heard, the Army football team is in the process of converting a 6'10, 290 lbs former tackle, into a wide receiver. That's right, not a tight end, a wide receiver. The player, Ali Villanueva, is a senior who recently caught 2 touchdowns in the Army spring game. It would be interesting to see if he could catch on as a Tight End at the next level, although he may face the same conflict that Caleb Campbell faced after he was drafted by the Detroit Lions last year. Thanks to NYSteelersFan4 for the tip on this one.
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If bouchette were holding a chat about his chats (a metachat for you dorks), he would say exactly what you said. Kudos.
The chats are almost always entertaining and occasionally Ed will even throw us a bone with some actual inside information.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
haha
Not sure if it is going to let me log-in from work, if it doesn’t try and get in a question about Tony Hills’ progress, if you are attending. I am really excited to see how Ed doesn’t answer that question.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on May 5, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
answer is...
something about not being able to determine this in shorts without pads
by Steely McSmash on May 5, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
4.18?
I like Ike as much as the next guy, but 4.18? I really just don’t believe that number. If I’m not mistaken, that would be the fastest 40 EVER at the combine… ever. He’s fast, no doubt, but not that fast. Pro day stop watches are notoriously generous, and in my opinion that is most likely the case here. I’d be interested to see what teams had him running. Admittedly I did not read the full article, so I may be speaking out my arss on this one. If I’m wrong I’m wrong.
Shenanigans. Sorry Ike.
Doing a little digging
I have seen that Rocket Ismail reportedly ran a 4.05, and Darrel Green ran a 4.09.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on May 5, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Where'd you see that?
I couldn’t find anything that seemed legit. I always thought Deon Sanders had the fastest combine 40 at 4.20 or close to that. Could be wrong. I’ve also seen Bo Jackson at 4.18.
The NFL doesn’t keep official combine statistics. Or so I’ve read. Seems kind of stupid if you ask me. They have official stats at the combine, how hard is it to store them somewhere? Lazy SOB’s. Electronic timing didn’t begin until 1990 though. All times before then were hand stop watches so take from that what you will. I assume the “fastest” players times we have from that era are were all released by their respective teams after being drafted, in my eyes making them shenanigans worthy at least. I looked around a bit and got BS everywhere I turned in terms of actual records.
by NYSteelersFan4 on May 5, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
i didn't say it was legit
I just said it was “reported”
I am now seeing a “report” that Joey Galloway once ran a 3.9
There are no official times because until recently when all of us nerds had access to the combine information like this nobody besides NFL coaches, scouts, and GM’s gave a sh*t about it, and even they had no use for them after the draft.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on May 5, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah I see.
Details, details, details. I need to understand what I’m reading before I speak up. I guess anybody with a keyboard can say anything. That said:
I ran a 3.76 at my pro day… in my back yard a week ago. But that was wind aided so… I also broad jumped 13’10" and threw a football over those mountains. I’d like to thank my coaches, namely Jeff George who had nothing better to do but help me out.
by NYSteelersFan4 on May 5, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
ya, I beat up deebo
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on May 5, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Try a 1.6 on for size, dude. Read 'em & Weep...
(…And I get Deebo to wash & wax my car every other weekend.)
by TheHumbleOne on May 5, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
No
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on May 5, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the link, fanofsteel
I like to learn different things about football
The 40 times from different players is fascinating to me
by Steeler Y360 Nation on May 5, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really
I dont trust wiki-anything. Any reference source you can edit yourself, supervised or not, not 100% reliable. But thanks for the help anyway.
by NYSteelersFan4 on May 6, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
True
But many reference sources that you can’t edit aren’t reliable either. They just have the pretense of authority behind them.
by SteelerBuddha on May 6, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Touche, can’t disagree with that. I’m old school, when I can I use an encyclopedia. It’s a bunch of books with info in them. Check your library, or grandparents houses, they’re the books covered in dust.
Not a personal shot Buddha, just a general observation.
by NYSteelersFan4 on May 6, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
ha
Wikipedia is much more credible than you give it credit for.
However, wiki-answers is probably not to be trusted too much. Wikipedia = great resource 99% of the time.
Probably true...
Just very skeptical I guess.
by NYSteelersFan4 on May 7, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
How about: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/players/10/10/taylor1016/index.html
RUN THE LINES
Using household baking flour instead of the usual spray paint — “I didn’t know where to buy the stuff, and I didn’t have anything else but the flour,” he says — Francois marked out 30 yards worth of lines, five yards apart. The challenge was for Taylor to take long strides and land on each line when doing wind sprints. “I was tall, and he said I ran like I was short,” Taylor recalls. “This helped me to open up my strides, like a track guy.” The training yielded dividends: After not being invited to the NFL combine as a college senior, Taylor stunned scouts by running a 4.18 40-yard dash at a his school’s pro day and became a surprise fourth-round draft pick.
GREAT FIND
wasn’t linking correctly though
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/players/10/10/taylor1016/index.html
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on May 5, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Also may explain....
Do you think this also explains why Ike Taylor seems to be afraid to catch the ball
Standing five yards apart and each holding a brick, Taylor and Francois would simultaneously lob the bricks to each other for 20 to 25 minutes without rest. The drill helped Taylor develop the strength in his hands, wrists and shoulders that he needs to make arm tackles and also to improve concentration and catching skills. (He had interceptions in the AFC title game and the Super Bowl last season.) Francois says the exercise took the place of a JUGS machine — which Taylor now jacks up to 40 mph in practice.
by SteelerBuddha on May 5, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
correct
He literally does have bricks for hands…
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on May 5, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
That's coaching...
Everyone on the team gives ten yards or more. That’s the way they’re told to line up.
Wait to you see WR Mike Wallace!
You guys are in for a treat seeing Mike Wallace this year and year’s to come. He is truly a game breaker and has good size at 6’0’’, 200 lbs. with the physique to put on 10 to 15 pounds easy. I know he ran a 4.33 at the combine (Heyward-bey beat him out by running a 4.30, 40) but Wallace is a better football player than DHB and played against better competition in the SEC for 4 years.
This guy is going to make everyone here say “Nate who?” Remember, you heard it here first from the DaTruth. Drinkyourmilkshake and Blitz will vouch that I was the first to put this guy in a mock draft here on this board, and I had him going to us in the third round because of the great fit he would make for us as a WR/KR/PR. I would have been ABSOLUTELY sick if he would have went to the Ravens.
He, Burnett and hopefully a healthy Sepulvada should immensely improve our special teams play next year. And it’s great knowing that people are sleeping on the best draft so far in the Tomlin era.
here's where you had Wallace going to us in the 3rd
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2009/4/9/829021/steelers-2009-mock-draft
3) WR/KR/PR – Mike Wallace – Missippi – Is this a little early for him? Not if you are a Super Bowl team who has a hole for a KR/PR and a WR to stretch the field. Wallace has decent size as well at 6’0, 200 lbs. Like the fact that he played in the SEC and the light really came on his senior year in leading the conference in yards per catch average and and had 8 TD’s. And, oh by the way, he ran a 4.33 at the combine.
BTW
Did anyone notice this from the Bouchette Chat:
mdsteel: Ed, Out of all the draft picks who do you like the best?
Ed Bouchette: Mike Wallace
Ed is usually fairly snarky and hard to pin down. Not here. Seems like Ed’s with you Datruth….
by SteelerBuddha on May 5, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Fairly Snarky?
Thats an understatement if I have ever heard one!
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on May 5, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
He is a cranky, surly, sonofabitch who is the modern day Michaelangelo of sarcasm.
by SteelerBuddha on May 5, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for posting this, datruth4life
I can’t wait to see Mike Wallace practice and play this upcoming Training Camp and Regular Season.
The Steelers have tried many Kick/Punt Returners in the past. Antwaan was the last one I can remember.
We also need to upgrade our Receiving Corps. It usually take a minimum of 2 years for an NFL rookie receiver to play.
by Steeler Y360 Nation on May 5, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
B, that's why you are who you are!
Thanks, man. People are going to look back on this class in 3 years and say, “Damn, the Steelers Put it Down once again!”
….Wallace college numbers. Comparitively speaking, Mike actually did better as a junior and soph, than in his senior season. As a senior he had Javon Snead at QB, who could actually throw the ball downfield. Prior to that there was a rotating carousel of QBs who couldn’t. As a soph, he led the team in catchs (24) and yards (410) by a fair margin. That was an indication of how bad the team’s passing attack was. But in his final season he got the great majority of his catchs and yards in the last half of the year (along with all of his touchdowns) when he finally got in tune with the new system and new QB. Kent Austin, the Rebels OC under Houston Nutt acknowledged that it took half a season for them to be able to take advantage of Wallace’s talent. He said that Mike could have had a huge senior year under most conditions.
He had 180 total yards in the Cotton Bowl compared to 30 for Mike Crabtree, and despite being a late addition to the Senior Bowl, managed another 60 odd total yards and a long TD. In the All Star games most players only get half the snaps or less compared to conference games. Double his numbers and you get 4 catchs, 80+ yards, and 2 TDs against some of the best players in the country.
arians is a tool
From Bouchette chat:
Mwarren18: Ed, everyone seems to be high on this AQ cat, is this purely a case of being in love with Pitt, WVU, and Penn St. guys who come to the Steelers or does he have a real chance to develop into a quality NFL player?
We all know Arians is the only one to use “cat” this millennium. I love that he doesn’t even know the quality of his players and has to ask Bouchette for advice.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
good observation
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on May 5, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Ike
I heard somewhere that Ike asked Dion Sanders to review his technique from this year, and Dion told him to send him game tapes and he’d do it. That’s pretty impressive that he would go that length, and that he wouldn’t be too proud to ask. I was also impressed that Dion agreed to do it. Can anyone there ask Ike about the result?
Deebo Contract Details
Guys, check this out:
James Harrison Contract Details
Posted by ESPN.com’s James Walker
A couple weeks ago, we explained that some league insiders were scratching their heads about how the salary-cap strapped Pittsburgh Steelers worked out a massive six-year, $51.175 million contract with Pro Bowl linebacker James Harrison this offseason.
Finally, the AFC North blog has the details.
Here are the key points:
- Harrison received a $10-million signing bonus up front and a $2.555-million roster bonus for this year.
- Harrison’s base salary in 2009 is $800,000.
In 2010, which could be an uncapped year, the contract gets tricky as Harrison’s base salary drops to $755,000. But he also has a reporting bonus of $2.8 million.
In 2011, Harrison’s salary jumps to $3.66 million and includes $900,000 roster bonus.
In years four, five and six Harrison’s salary balloons to $5.315 million, $6.32 million and $7.325 million, respectively.
Our analysis of Harrison’s contract is he will be a Pittsburgh Steeler for at least the next three years. Once year four comes around, Harrison will be a 35-year-old linebacker, and the team will have to gauge his level of play at that point versus the increasingly high salary.
My thought is that Harrison will see only about 4 years of this 6-year deal. By that time, Woodley would have been paid and the Steelers will have some more LBs in house to take over his spot. A win-win contract for both parties — Deebo gets his paper and the Steelers get a LB in his prime for the next 4 years. Interesting to see how they will approach the other extensions.
Thoughts?
"A linebacker in his prime"
Bit of an understatement, I’d say;-)
My heros have always been Steelers...
Question about Wallace
This was mentioned elsewhere but finding it now is a needle in a haystack so I will ask again: Does anyone know what the difference is between Mike Wallace and Willie Reid? Why physically or statistically should we be more optimistic about Wallace than Willie Reid?
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2009/4/29/858331/is-mike-wallace-the-next-willie
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
Wallace vs. Reid comparison
Maryrose, I don’t have statistics to compare the two to show their similarities or differences. Reid was primarily used as a running back at Florida State until his senoir year when he was switched to WR. Wallace has always been a WR.
I kind of go off what I see in a player live during a game or on film. I can usually pick up on a few things to see whether the player has the potential to be a baller, or not. I’ve noticed that Wallace doesn’t struggle to catch the ball like Reid did, as a receiver and as a returner. He really tracks the deep ball well.
Besides the hands part, the other biggest difference I think is that Wallace can provide something right now for this Steelers offense that Reid never did — a legitimate deep threat. I watched the Senior Bowl and noticed right off that Wallace looked a lot faster than the other players around him. In the next couple of plays, he runs right past the corner and catches a bomb for a TD on a difficult over the shoulder catch.
Wallace at 6’0, 200 lbs, is bigger than Reid was and still has a lot of potential to get bigger and stronger (when you see his guns and his calves, you’ll see what I’m talking about).
The bottom line is that we still need to see what he can do in a Steelers uniform on the field. But from what I’ve seen of him, I believe the Steelers got a good player who is only going to get better. In fact, when H. Ward finally retires, I think the starters will be Wallace and Santonio, and not Sweed and Santonio.
…well, Reid is still in football as far as I know, so we probably shouldn’t speak of him in the past tense. Biggest thing holding him back as has been mentioned were injuries. Especially foot and leg injuries on a player who relies on speed. But it is not like the Steelers didn’t have ample warning before they drafted him in that regard. He had a litany of injuries at Florida State, was very small and slightly built, and was a year or so older than most of the players in the draft. They reached for him at the end of the third round by any standard. He was (and maybe is) a superior punt returner. That was about it. He played a role similar to Percy Harvin in college, but without the same strength or athleticism.
It’s too early to make sweeping statements about Mike Wallace, but coming in he stands out for his physical durability as a collegian, and seems to have a superior mental toughness as well, born of growing up in a tough neighbourhood and going through the bad times (for the football program) at Ole Miss. If you read any of his interviews, he always deflects attention and credit to others, family members, teammates, coaching staff, etc. Asked about losing the roof of their family home, he says " yeah it was a bit rough, we had to move away for awhile BUT AT LEAST THE FOUNDATION WAS STILL THERE, and lots HAD IT MUCH WORSE THAN US.". When you’re talking about wide receivers, humility, insight, maturity, and self effacement, aren’t qualities that you often find.
Good points RE
Wallace and Reid are two entirely different kinds of athletes with Wallace a much more legitimate prospective WR. Kent Austin is an outstanding coordinator who I expect will someday be in the NFL. He was a head coach and offensive coordinator in the CFL after a successful playing career there. If he is high on Wallace then it’s just another positive piece of news. He does seem to have a Steeler-type of character, and Sweed is much the same. Let’s hope they both learn to hang onto the football. I will say though that I think pure speed is the most overrated aspect of being a wide receiver. Knowing how to use your speed, the footwork to get separation out of breaks, understanding the routes of other players and the secondary coverage, body positioning, leap timing and pure good hands are all much more important than running a sub 4.40 40. From what I’ve seen of Wallace he is a very good athlete but a raw WR. His hands are OK, not great. He is strictly a KR guy, not a PR. He has the ability to make a single cut and blast into the lane and outrun tackling angles. If the blocking isn’t there, he isn’t going to do it on his own. We have to see if he can hang onto the ball when he gets hammered, which he will since the NFL has changed the rules on the number of blockers that can be used in a wedge, one of the dumbest rule changes I’ve ever seen. They were worried about the safety of wedge busters, so let’s see how many KR get hurt instead. In any event, I don’t expect to see Wallace in many passing plays this season unless there are injuries. There is enough depth that he can get his feet wet returning kicks and learn the dozens of little details that have made relative slowpoke Hines Ward a likely future Hall of Famer.

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