Steelers Nearing Extension Season; Who Stays and Who Goes for 2010?
We are all eagerly awaiting training camp this summer for Mike Tomlin to forge the latest edition of the 2009 Steelers in his image. While there are several training camp battles that will take place and be answered in Latrobe, several key decisions concerning which pending free agents will be a part of the 2010 and beyond will be made in the Front Office on the Southside.
Everyone knows how the Steelers do business when it comes to retaining their own agents. The team has used its tried and true approach of not negotiating a new contract for a player until they are in the last year of their deal (exceptions being made for starting QBs Tommy Maddox and Big Ben). Players know it is pretty much useless to try the holdout card with the Steelers if you still have multiple years left on your deal, so they very seldom play it.
The team’s philosophy of waiting until the dog days of August of training camp to wave a new deal with a decent signing bonus under the nose of players has proved more successful than not for the team. If a player is an All-Pro, then the team will try to hash out a new deal for that player before training camp begins (ex. James Harrison, Troy Polamula).
The following is a look at the Steelers most prominent players on the 2009 squad entering the last year of their deals. Arguments will be made for keeping that player versus letting them go. A final verdict will be given at the end. This topic should make for good, intelligent discussion. Enjoy.
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The Player: Fast Willie Parker
2009 Cap Hit: ($4.53M with a $3.35M base salary)
Role: No. 1 RB
Staying: FWP is a no. 1 RB and a starter at his position on a 2-time Super Bowl Champion. When healthy, he's a feature back that is a threat to pick up big yardage whenever he touches the football. Due to the fact he was an undrafted rookie free agent, the player still carries a significant chip on his shoulder and continually trains and works harder to improve his game.
Going: FWP will turn 29 years old in November, which is right about the time that most NFL RB's begin to fall off. There are two big minuses that I've seen in FWP over the years that he has yet to overcome: his inability to catch the ball and thus be a complete RB & his inability to consistently run against good defenses. It seems FWP usually beat up on the bad teams and are usually stopped cold by the good run defenses. Even without FWP, the top 3 returning RBs next year are R. Mendenhall, M. Moore, & The Tank.
Verdict: FWP is gone. He's shown some signs of breaking down the past 2 seasons and if there is something that this front office and scouts have shown is that they can find RBs, whether it is through the draft, rookie free agents, free agency or off the street. Thanks for the memories, Willie, and the 2 rings.
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The Player: Max Starks
2009 Cap Hit: ($8.45M with $8.45M counting as base salary)
Role: No. 1 LT
Staying: No opinion seems more divided here on this board than what the Steelers should do concerning Max Starks. Starks has started on 2 championship teams and has started at RT and LT. Currently, he is the Steelers best OL and has been entrusted with protecting our $100M QB’s blind side. The talent behind Starks is backup T/G Trai Essex, untested 2nd-year player
Going: Many will make the argument here that Max is just an average OL that is the beneficiary of the Steelers missing on many of their OL draft picks in the recent past. He is not happy about being franchised and wants the Steelers to put their money where there mouth is. The Steelers can’t keeping slapping the franchise tag on him year after year, so this could be the last time that they do that for him. They might just let Starks walk and use a combination of what they already have on hand, the draft, or free agency to replace him.
The Verdict: Max stays and will sign a long-term deal either before or during training camp. Good LTs are hard to find and the Steelers do not have a plethora of them on the roster currently. Our favorite insider here at BTSC, Jim Wexell, said recently that a source in the Steelers organization has told him that the Steelers are confident that they can reach a long-term deal with Starks BEFORE training camp, and then want to move on to see how many other deals they can get done with other veterans. The Steelers want to keep him and reduce that cap hit, Max wants to stay as long as he is paid like the LT on a championship football team. I say that a deal will get done and Max stays.
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The Player: Casey Hampton
2009 Cap Hit: ($6.652M with a base salary of $3.075M)
Role: No. 1 Nosetackle
Staying: Big Snack has been a big pain in the posterior for the rest of the AFC North when trying to run the football. He has been the key (along with Aaron Smith) to the team’s success against the run. While not the player that he once was, Big Snack is still arguably one of the top 4 NTs in the game. He and Chris Hoke is probably the top NT duo in the NFL currently. Casey will turn 32 in September, but big NT/run stuffers have been known to play into the mid-30’s and still be effective in their role of run-stuffer.
Going: Snack hasn’t exactly endeared himself to Tomlin with his offseason training work (or lack thereof) and one has to wonder how much does he have left in the tank. Chris Hoke has proven to be a NT that you can win with, and the Steelers might get Scott Paxson and rookie sixth-round pick R. Harris ready to fill in at the spot in 2010. The Steelers have to decide if paying big money to Casey is a wise future investment for a player who ark is no longer pointing up.

Verdict: The Big Snack stays. I believe that the Steelers will let Casey play out the final year of his deal as a means to keep him motivated and motivated this year. If the owners and players don’t reach a new deal by the beginning of next year, then the agreement allows for a team to franchise 2 players, and not just one. Look for the franchise to strongly consider this option and resigning Casey to a 3 to 4-year extension. With a 27-year old superstar at QB, the window is open to win multiple championships. Keeping Casey rather than letting him walk next year could be a key in helping them win a few more during the next few years.
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The Player: Heath Miller
2009 Cap Status: ($2.4M with a base salary of $800,000)
Role: No. 1 TE
Staying: If there is one no-brainer among the Steelers front office to keep, it is Big Money. Miller is probably the best tight end in the NFL that not many people know about. He is an excellent RB and WR that epitomizes what a Steelers football player should be. He and Ben have a great repore and he probably has the best hands on the team. He could be more of a factor in the passing game if the Steelers had a true no. 2 tight end that could block (Matt Spaeth blows in that aspect). Still, this is a priority for the Steelers. The fact that Miller could be a restricted free agent next year (if a new deal doesn’t get done before next year) also lends itself to Heath being a Steeler in 2010.
Going: If a new agreement is reached and Heath demands to be the highest paid TE in the league, then maybe that would be a reason for the Steelers front office to let him walk. Spaeth has shown that he can catch the ball as a TE, but he isn’t in the same class or zip code to Miller as far as being a player. Now need to prolong this next decision.
The Verdict: Heath Miller is staying and will sign a new 5-year deal, either this training camp or the next.
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The Player: Ryan Clark
2009 Cap Status: ($2.4M cap hit with a base salary of $1.7M)
Role: No. 1 FS
Staying: Ryan Clark has endeared himself to Steelers coaches and fans with his heady, smart play and his bone-jarring hits. FS is a very important position in Dick Lebeau’s 3-4 zone blitz, and
Going: For all of
The Verdict:
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The Player: Jeff Reed
2009 Cap Status: ($1.958M with a base salary of $1.375M)
Role: Kicker
Staying: Jeff Reed could end up being the most accurate kicker the Steelers have ever had. Reed has shown himself to be clutch time and time again during his career with the Steelers and though turning 30 in April, could offer the team several more effective years at the position.
Going: The Steelers currently have no other options at kicker long-term. Though Reed’s kickoffs have been far from consistent, his mastery of the winds and weather at Heinz Field have truly been remarkable. I know this is supposed to be an argument for him going, but I can’t make much of one for him leaving. Franchise kickers aren’t paid a bundle and Reed does qualify as such.
The Verdict: Expect Reed to sign a long-term deal with the team before reaching free agency.
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The Player: Brett Keisel
2009 Cap Status: ($4.998M cap hit with a base salary of $3.25M)
Role: Starting RDE
Staying: Brett Keisel is arguably the most athletic DL on the Steelers roster and has been a starter on the no. 1 D for the past two years. While not an All-Pro, Keisel has shown that he can be an effective player starting that can play the run as well as stay on the field in 3rd down.
Going: For all of Keisel’s athleticism, it hasn’t translated to the numbers the Steelers or himself expected. Keisel has shown himself to be good at a few things, but great at nothing. He’s also been dinged up quite a bit during the past 3 years. Keisel will be 31 years old in September and the Steelers drafted his replacement in the draft at no. 1 with DE Ziggy Hood. The incorporating new blood on the DL has to begin somewhere, and this position seems as likely as any.
Verdict: Keisel is gone. Because of his ties to the community and his love for the organization, he could give the team a hometown discount in order to stay around. However, there will be other suitors for him if he reaches free agency and the Steelers probably won’t go higher than their amount that they deem him to be worth for the team. Coupled with Ziggy being in a place and an overall youth movement on the DL, he’s most likely gone.
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The Player: Justin Hartwig
2009 Cap Hit: ($2.238M with a base salary of $1.75M)
Role: No. 1 Center
Staying: Hartwig has proven to be an improvement over Sean "Revolving Door" Mahan. He provided a veteran presence to a makeshift line that withstood several rough outings to end up playing their best football in the playoffs.
Going: Hartwig will turn 31 in November and there are currently 3 other centers on the roster, D. Stapleton, A.Q. Shipley and Doug Legursky. Hartwig has not shown himself to be anything other than "just a guy." He’s not a pro bowl caliber player nor is he an ascending young player who could reach that status.
The Verdict: Hartwig will be gone in 2010.
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The Player: Willie Colon
2009 Cap Hit: ($2.2M with a base salary of $2.2M)
Role: No. 1 RT
Staying:
Going:
The Verdict: He’s staying, simply because he along with Miller are likely to be restricted free agents heading into next year. The Steelers will probably tender him at the same level that they did this year, the cost of a 1st round pick. I doubt if anyone will pay that, so he's likely back.
There will be other free agents on this roster as well, but these are the most prominent ones. I would love to hear any and all intelligent comments. Thanks and Be blessed.
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Please forgive any typos ahead of time
In Heath’s part, I meant RB to stand for run blocker and for WR, I meant to say pass catcher. Sorry about that ladies and gents.
by datruth4life on Jun 1, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
DYMS, Blitz could you add a decent photo to this story for me?
I tried to crop one of the available ones off the AP, but for some reason it didn’t come up. Thanks.
by datruth4life on Jun 1, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
added a few pics and did a little formatting, hope ya don’t mind.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on Jun 1, 2009 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Very nice summary
I totally agree with all of your picks.
They gotta get Heath done…I don’t really think he’s that much under the radar.
If we lost him…..
Now if we can just get Arians to build some key plays that take advantage of his strengths….
PS – I love Big Snack….really only because I love saying “Big Snack”
Nice write up!!
Steelergurl
by Steelergurl on Jun 1, 2009 8:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good post
I mostly agree with your choices, but in some cases, it depends on what the player (and his agent) want. I can see signing Starks to something like $7M per year with $12M guaranteed. I would think this would be attractive to him in guaranteeing him an extra $3.5M plus a long-term role on the team. But if he insists on continuing to be paid as one of the top 5 LTs in the league, I say let him walk and use the money to sign a good free-agent lineman next year. Same thing with Heath—the team will make him a good offer, but not make him the highest-paid TE in the league.
I like Ryan Clark, but I think the team will look closely at both Mundy and Townsend in the FS position. If Mundy can take over the position in 2010, with Townsend as a backup in case he stumbles or gets hurt, Clark is gone. Clark could stay if he is willing to sign a two-year contract at a small raise from his current salary.
I like the idea of not extending Hampton in the offseason and tagging him for 2010. He really plays well when he is properly motivated. I don’t see Hoke as a replacement, though, so they would have to draft an NT next year.
The trick is fitting all these guys under the cap. Hopefully, letting FWP and Keisel go will free up enough money to extend Miller, Reed, and some of the others. Extending Starks should actually help on the cap.
by Steelin on Jun 1, 2009 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
great post datruth
There’s something similar coming from me in the publication. I came to many of the same assessments
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by Blitzburgh on Jun 1, 2009 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Very nice analysis
I too see FWP, Keisel & Hartwig as the guys on the short list.
by steelersrock08 on Jun 1, 2009 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tired
I’ve said this time and time again. FWP will retire a steeler. I just don’t see this guy, who is so gracious of a team giving him the chance to play in the NFL, leaving. He will take less money and a reduced role to stay and we should want him to stay. Yes he will be be approaching 30 but just like James Harrison he has a lot of tread left on the tires. He didn’t play full time in college and he didn’t start playing full time in the NFL until about 3 years ago. So there have been 3-4 years where the guy has been playing football full time. He is not breaking down. I can see him getting another season of 1200 yards at least this year. He played 11 games last year had about 800 yards last year through that below average line. People please back off sit back and watch and lets evaluate at the end of next season. If he doesnt get a 1000 yards then lets talk about ditching him. But if he has the usual 1400 yards then I’ll be saying told ya so.
by tannofsteel84 on Jun 1, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good...not great
Willie has been a good rb for us. He has helped win 2 SB titles and had 2 good (not amazing) seasons. However, he has not been terrific. He is not a 3 down back. He has had trouble in goal line and short yardage situations. And his yards per carry has decreased in each season. From 5.8 to 4.7 to 4.4 to 4.1 to 3.8. In fact, in the past 3 years, he has only had a 4.0 yards per carry in 20 out of 42 games. If he wants to take less money to stay…fine. If not, lets move on.
by lenhard12 on Jun 2, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know that you can say that willie has a “lot of read left on the tires” given that he’s been injured in the last two seasons.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Jun 3, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larry Foote loved the Steelers, but he left for PT. Hines would have left if he was benched. FWP loves the team, but the man’s got pride too, no way he’d take back-up role or money.
As for his injuries, Tomlin ran the wheels off, he may never be the same again, a lot of backs don’t ever come back from that many carries in one season, almost all lose the next season. Let’s see how he does this year.
Sure he can score goals, but can he cook?
by Phantaskippy on Jun 3, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Granted
He isn’t AP but he his servicable. The RB position wears you down a lot and is very injury prone. As far as how much “tread” is left is yet to be known, I mean mendenhall been injured every single year he’s been in the league. So does that mean he doesn’t have any tread left? Yes its only 1 year but Willie been hurt 2 and the first year was at the end of the season so its not really the whole year. This was the first year where he kept getting hurt and even then he played in 11 games and had 800 yards, you can extrapolate that to a 1000 yard season if he stays healthy. Not that he will. I dont think Larry Foote loved the Steelers. Foote loved playing for the steelers when he saw that he wasn’t going to be playing anymore he stop loving the steelers. Ward said he wants to retire a steeler thats different. Parker also has had similar remarks to Ward but you don’t go all out because you still want to get as much money as you can. He may never be the same again but if he is healthy and can’t produce then I can see moving him. But if you look at his career he is healthy more than he isn’t and when he is healthy he is a 100 yard back. So if you think we should get ride of Willie Parker after this season then we need to draft another RB because Moore is a backup at best and mendy although i like him, hasn’t proven anything yet. Just as the same as you say sweed hasn’t proved anything. Parker is the only guy who has proven anything at the RB position and for people to have a double standard is pretty amazing to me.
by tannofsteel84 on Jun 4, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a double standard
I agree with you tann that Parker still has plenty of value and that his so-called physical decline is premature. The injury in 2007 was a non-contact fluke that occurred in the opening minutes of the second-last game of the season when he was leading the league in rushing. Davenport replaced him that day against the Rams and had something like 125 yards rushing, so it’s not going out on a limb to suggest Parker would have won the league rushing title had he not stuck his cleat in the artificial turf the wrong way that day. Parker had been outstanding in games just before that against New England and Jacksonville, two of the league’s better run defenses.
Last year was a warning sign but it was hard to evaluate how much of his rushing decline was attributable to him slowing down or the offensive line being so brutal. Probably a combination of both but on one of the rare days that the O-line blocked well, against the Chargers, he looked great. FWP has always been better than the sum of his parts. He’s been the target of too much abuse because critics say he can’t do this and he can’t do that, etc etc. He’s just go so much heart and determination to prove everyone wrong and that’s what will probably surface again this year as people try to write him off. To me the biggest obstacle in keeping Parker is not his so-called decline but the depth at RB. Mendenhall has talent. He’s going to get all the carries he needs to prove it (or not prove it). Moore is much better than your description as “a backup at best”. Both of those guys and maybe Summers as well will take downs away from Parker this year, at least to start the season. Injuries, fumbles, game situations could change things and it’s quite possible that Parker will end up as the go-to guy down the stretch and perhaps even have another 1,000-yard season. There’s no way to know at this point. But it’s going to be tough to keep him. If you paint a best-case scenario, with Parker getting a bit more of the running load than Mendenhall, making it through the season healthy and flashing enough of his speed to post a decent average and score a few TDs, then he is probably going to price himself out of the Steelers’ range. As a fan I want to see what Mendenhall can do and its in the team’s best interests that he turns into a superstar. He’s young, big, fast. What’s not to like? If he plays like a first-rounder then the team is better off and that makes it tough to keep FWP even if he plays well. If Mendenhall is a bust, then we’ll probably make every effort to keep Parker, but that scenario isn’t good for the team.
by steeler.lifer on Jun 5, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Little different view
I have no idea why the Steelers think Starks will sign before the season…he will make more money this season without a new deal and then can sign a long term deal next off season. Sure, there’s an off chance he gets hurt this year, but he will still command big free agent bucks because LTs are in such short supply.
What happens with Big Snack depends on what happens in Cleveland and Green Bay: they are the only two other teams that might be in need of an NT. If Rogers stops whining and GB finds a NT before next April, there will not be a lot of demand for Hamp’s services. He probably stays.
I think Clark is gone. I love the guy, but there are a lot of guys who can do what the Steelers ask of a FS (just not A. Smith): don’t get beat deep. Others might not be as good as Clark, but you don’t need a Reed type athlete at FS in this defense. Just a guy who is smart and willing to play for the team. Clark is great, he’s just too easy to replace. Same reason they let Hope walk.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Jun 1, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, to be fair it’s not just GB and Cleveland that are in the NT market. Denver, Kansas City, and perhaps Arizona/Miami are all looking to make a full transition to a 3-4 and an experienced big man like Big Snack might be just what the doctor ordered – they’ll get a guy that can play admirably for three years or so and help train his own replacement.
That being said, it seems like Big SNack more than any other player might warrant the franchise tag. It gives us a window to find a replacement who – along with Hoke – can slowly take the position from Casey. It also helps us strong at the point without investing long term money in a 2 down player with a weight problem who is probably approaching the end of his career.
by BluegrassSteeler on Jun 2, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, with the coaching carousel in the NFL, you never know what franchises will have a new Head Coach/D-cordinator and would want to switch to a 3-4.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on Jun 2, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't expect many more switches to 3-4 coming.
The league loves to follow the trends, but the 3-4 isn’t working at a lot of these transition teams. When some of these guys get fired and the team switches back to a 4-3 I expect the 3-4 love affair to die.
Also soon people will figure out these Belichick disciples stink, and there goes a lot of the switches right there.
This has nothing to do with the actual defense, it’s just the 4-3 is easier to run with lesser talent and young players. The Steelers and Ravens have had great co-coordinators and a system in place for years. You can’t switch to a 3-4 and just rock very easily. Soon as a team switches back and gets a bump defensively the love affair will be over. Or at least I hope it will.
Then they can stop drafting 3-4 ends in the first round.
Sure he can score goals, but can he cook?
by Phantaskippy on Jun 3, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This upcoming season will be an interesting one
I still think we keep Hampton. There is no one on the roster who could step into his shoes next season. Chris Hoke is good, but Im not sure how hed hold up for larger amounts of playing time if the Steelers were to let Big Snack go.
Green Bay i think found a real gem 3-4 NT in Raji, i think hell be great for them
How those other teams switching to a 3-4 this season or those teams that are playing more and more reps from a 3-4 (Kansas City, Denver, Miami, Arizona) it could be interesting to see just how bad (or good) they do, because the worse they do on defense, the more likely they would pay big bucks for Casey.
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by Steeler_ on Jun 2, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Casey wants big money and long term I think he’s gone. it will hurt, but seriously, we let em’ go a year early rather than a year late, and next year may not even be a year early.
Sure he can score goals, but can he cook?
by Phantaskippy on Jun 3, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Plan 'B' Punter
Just in case Daniel S. has a bum knee for good, perhaps the Steelers should take a look at punter Aaron Perez (recently cut by the Patriots in favor of their veteran, who holds for their kicker etc.) According to his college stats at UCLA, Perez certainly would seem to be a big step up over last year’s mid-season acquisitions.
http://www.uclabruins.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/perez_aaron00.html
It’s possible the front office doesn’t know this guy is available…
by workingon7 on Jun 1, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Overly optimistic
I hope you are all correct that we can resign so many of these guys. However, I have my doubts that we will be able to fit so may resignings under the cap (assuming a new CBA), especially if we’re also looking to extend Woodley and Holmes next year.
by LeBeau-a-Constrictor on Jun 1, 2009 11:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
options
I totally agree with your opinion on FWP, he struggles against good run defenses.
That said I lump him together with Big Snack and Kiesel and even Clark.
All have made important contributions to the last couple rings and can still make contributions.
Yet if need be the Steelers have other options at each position.
IMO each of these guys could be resigned depending on how they see their own options.
Now if only their were other options behind those OL positions. Even just to make more roster competition.
by steelerstyle on Jun 2, 2009 8:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think...
Steelers will try to extend…
- Starks
- Reed
- Miller
- Keisel
And may re-sign after the season…
Keisel
FWP
Colon
Hartwig
FWP
Signings from the latter group will be dependent upon their performance, their asking price, and whether their backups are ready to step up.
The first group…
Max Starks – wants to stay, is getting married and looking for stability, Steelers will get it done
Reed – dependable and won’t break the bank
Miller – duh
Keisel – They need to free up cap room… so why wouldn’t they extend a guy with a 5mil cap hit who wants to stay? Keisel loves the Steelers and is Ben’s best friend. He’s a solid starter and a versatile athlete who is relatively young for our d-line and doesn’t have a ton of mileage on him. They could get this done in the pre-season for not that much.
by syrsteelerfan on Jun 2, 2009 8:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Write-Up
Thanks for the information, very well done and comprehensive….
My two-cents:
-would really love to see Miller get done very soon….
-Clark is terrific BUT I do agree that his injuries are starting to have me concerned…
-Reed would be nice but there are always going to be kickers available….
-Not sold on Starks or Colon
-With our line in the shape it is, wouldn’t keeping Hartwig make sense for at least another year? Who’s going to replace him and be any better short term?
-FWP would be nice to keep around for the right price. RB’s tend to get dinged up and he’s starting to show the amount of carries – just hope it doesn’t affect his speed…
by dawgs144 on Jun 2, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Forgot Big Snack
I think he still has mileage, but has to, has to show up in shape. He can’t afford to get in the dog house two years running. Besides, where is his apprentice? I’m not sure I see anyone as reliable on the roster today, and I have no idea if Paxson is ready to play or able to fill Hampton’s shoes (both literally and figuratively!!!).
Thanks.
by dawgs144 on Jun 2, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you nailed it with who is staying and who is going. The only thing I think differently is that Clark and Hampton will sign 2-3 year extensions, but won’t be around for the long term.
by Cols714 on Jun 2, 2009 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Post
I don’t think Clark is a lock to be resigned. I think we’ll be auditioning Mundy and Townsend and if they can hold the position we’ll save our money for Miller, who gets more expensive by the day.
I like the idea above of tagging Big Snack.
by 13thieves on Jun 2, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I say...
.. FWP stays at a discount just like the bus did. Starks is going to end up siging a long term contract. Colon leaves after this season and i say good riddens. Clark still has some tread left on the tires and i say he stays if Mundy isn’t quite ready to take over. Miller must be re-signed and if they don’t i’m boycotting at least one game. OK maybe not. Reed should be re-signed, he’s used to kicking at Heinz field which isn’t easy. Hartwig leaves for Shipley to take over. Keisel leaves with Hood replacing him after a year in the system. Hampton should be let go. Even if he comes to camp in shape, who’s to say he’ll act the same way if he’s under a long term contract. Hoke did a really good job of replacing him when big snack was out. Hopefully Paxson turns out to be another Harrsion.
by GMSteel on Jun 2, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Truth
I am not as optimistic about keeping as many. Don’t see how we can pull it all off, but I’m keeping my fingers crossed. Good idea to write the pros and cons like that of each guy.
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
by maryrose on Jun 2, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good thoughtful post.
I agree with most of your assessments with the following cautions.
If FWP has an injury free year and regains Pro Bowl caliber form. It should be remembered that FWP did not play much in college and may not have the expected wear and tear on his body. If OL gets their act together on run blocking and with support from Mendenhall, etc. Parker could be an asset several more years.
The development or lack thereof of Ziggy could effect decisions on either Hampton, Keisel or both. I agree with you that Keisel is in more precarious position.
I think you keep Clark until the wheels come off. Excellent leader, great complement to Troy, delivers hits that are as game changing as interceptions. Given our punishing style of play, and the injury history of all involved I think you need Troy, Clark, Mundy and Townsend in the lineup.
by RickVa on Jun 2, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good post
I think FWP stays for less $$ until (if) Mendenhall makes the grade
by UGH1979 on Jun 2, 2009 8:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My initial, knee jerk, emotionally-detached take
1. FWP. Gone
2. Max. Signs long term deal before camp.
3. Casey. Gone
4. Miller. Signs after Max’s signing frees up cash. An absolute priority!
5. Clark. Signs
6. Reed. Signs
7. Keisel. Gone
8. Hartwig. Gone
9. Colon. Signs
I think that’s a realistic sceanario. Some of the signings will be long term deals, Miller, Reed, Max and some maybe 1 year deals, Colon. Either way, our capologists will find a way to get it all under the cap…restructuring some veteren deals etc
I also think each year we get a pretty good sense of who will stay and who will go. FO will give the old “we love to keep everyone…” speech but then reality sets in. We all knew Nate and Mcfadden were likely gone…I know some were hopefully BM would resign but odds were against it. Randel El also comes to mind…love to have kept him but just not possible. Etc, etc,etc we could come up with a bunch of players in recent years who fit this profile.
I think next year, we’ll hear the “we’d love to keep those guys, they made such great contributions to our SB runs, but these are always tough business decisions…” regarding FWP, Casey, Keisel, and Hartwig.
by SteelerMike on Jun 3, 2009 1:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The only keepers are Reed, Miller, and Starks...
Unless FWP can get faster in his old age, he’s not going to be around much longer. Especially if Mendenhall and The Tank pan out to be respectable NFL RB’s.
I dunno if Big Snack is going to get the money he’s worth here. And I dunno if he would be willing to give the hometown 2 SB ring discount for his services either. I think his ideal situation would be similar to the deal Farrior got as far as making sure he retires a Steeler. I’d love for him to stay, but I can understand if he doesn’t.
Replace “Big Snack” with “Keisel” and the argument still stands.
And as much as I like Ryan Clark and understand the piece to the puzzle he brings, I think the Steelers think that either Mundy or another guy they can find on draft day can fill his shoes.
I never liked Colon @ T. I wish we had the depth @ T to move him over to G.
Again, no need to pay for something long term we can get on draft day at a more affordable price.
We need somebody that can kick in Hines Field consistantly.
We need somebody to block Ben’s blindside.
And we need to give Ben a security blanket in the passing game.
Everybody else can be replaced in the near to immediate future.
by Mr 412 on Jun 3, 2009 6:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Keisel will get big money on the market. Lord knows he isn’t going to have impressive stats, and he plays with Snack and Smith, two really respected guys. Unless we win the SB again I don’t see him getting big offers. I think we keep him.
Sure he can score goals, but can he cook?
by Phantaskippy on Jun 3, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keisel will be tough to keep
Very few 3-4 DEs put up great stats. Keisel’s stats over the past three years as a starter (8.5 sacks, 135 tackles, 13.5 pass knockdowns) compare very well to Chris Canty (7.5/113/8), Antonio Smith (11.5/109/0) and Igor Olshansky (7/111/4). All three signed good deals this past off-season, Olshansky for an average of $4.5 million per year, the other two for an average of $7 million. The difference is that Keisel is 3-4 years older than the other three but overall he has about the same amount of playing experience. He’s a solid citizen and excellent athlete who at 30 years old can play another four or five seasons. If he gets through this season healthy and has an average season by his own standards, I doubt the Steelers would be able to re-sign him for less than $4 million a year. With Hood around and some big contracts coming up, it probably adds up to him being gone a year from now.
by steeler.lifer on Jun 5, 2009 1:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The only difference is...
And it may mean less than I think it does, but Keisel doesn’t have prototype size and lacks agility. Canty is 6’6 300+ and more athletic than people give him credit for, Olshansky (who I covetted coming out of college, and admired from a distance and with a sick feeling in my stomach due to his former team) is 6’5" 310+ and a serious run stuffer. They are perfect 3-4 DE’s. While Keisel is great in his own way, he’s slightly smaller (I believe 6’4" 285 range) and not thought of as a premier run stuffer, and doesn’t play with the big man quickness of Canty. Subtle differences, but may be enough to keep him from finding meaningful employment elsewhere… maybe. I personally doubt he’ll be back, but this is the most likely case for him coming back. Plus I think he really wants to be here, genuinly. He feels this is the team that made him what he is. We’ll see.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jun 5, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never underestimate motivation in a contract year and the Steelers business philosophy....
FWP will start this year. If he leads the league in rushing, or is in the top three even, he will sign elsewhere. Why? The Steelers will not pay top five salary for THAT position. Not with Mendenhall on the bench. Too much salary for the RB position which many folks believe is the most easily replaceable position on any roster. As RB’s get older they want more money, and the collective bargaining agreement says that is true. teams can always find younger guys that they can run the wheels off for a couple of years on the cheap.
The spots that are not easily replaceable? DE and NT in a 3-4. So, does the same logic as FWP work for Hampton and Kiesel? No. Kiesel’s issue is whether Ziggy can play next year. Past indications are that Ziggy will ride the bench and situationally play for the next couple of years as he learns the defense. So is there another option at DE? No. Same applies for NT. Until you find a replacement, you must bite the bullet and resign the veteran. Negotiate the contract as low as you can get it if you are the Steelers, but both the player, the agent and the front office know what has to be done, so it won’t be cheap.
The most valuable defensive player for the Steelers of the upcoming free agents may however be Clark. Clark allows Polamalu to do his thing without worrying about covering for a mediocre player, which Troy will do because he is so competitive. True that Clark is not Ronnie Lott or Mike Wagner, but he plays and fits well with Polamalu. Clark plays smart and simply doesnt make a ton of mistakes. The biggest bonus: Clark will not demand big money which is always a plus with the Steelers. Think Chris Hope if he does demand top five salary though.
Past history ultimately shows us that the PRIMARY factor in the Steelers resigning players is not loyalty, past or present performance, or coaches input with the front office; it is money. The Steelers simply will not overpay anyone, period. This single fact coupled with stellar talent evaluation has kept the Steelers competitive for a long time. Think Kendrell Bell, Joey Porter, Alan Fanneca. Great players, beloved by coaches and fans, but also gone. Therefore the ultimate determinate of whether any of these players resign will be the players own contract demands.
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by LaSteeler68 on Jun 5, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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