Ben gets no respect / NFL Network's top five QB's
by weegiethompson on Jul 11, 2009 1:36 PM EDT
Email
PrintNFL Network ranked their top five QB's today. Of course, they left Ben Roethlisberger off the list. In fact, three QB's (Mcnabb, Cutler, Brees) on the list have never even won a superbowl. They even went ahead to mention that another QB with no ring is number six (Rivers).
So Ben is number seven? At best? It's so annoying.
I wish there was a QB stat for 'wins', similar to the wins category for MLB pitchers. Good leadership & clutch performances cannot be adequately measured with the current QB stats.
Do rings mean nothing? How many current QB's have won two titles? Only guys i can think of are Brady & Ben.
People love to point out how Roethlisberger choked in superbowl XL. Fair enough. But do they look at the previous game? Or the game before that, when he went to Indianapolis and ended the season of '#2 QB' Peyton Manning? If I remember right, the score at halftime was steelers 21, colts 3.
The next week, in the AFC championship, Roethlisberger played a near-flawless game, and had two incredible fade route TD passes. This game (on the road again, in Denver) is the one I point to most often, when people question his skills. Beautiful performance.
There is also the game two weeks before that, the 2005 wild card, where Ben destroyed Cincinnatti. Again, this was on the road. Roethlisberger had three touchdowns in that one.
Fact is, Ben had a brilliant playoff performance in 2005. NFL Network should have called their list 'top five fantasy QB's'.
Why do you think there is such a bias against Roethlisberger?
78 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Cause its the National Fantasy Football League
Offense may sell tickets, but defense wins championships
by canadianblackandgold on Jul 11, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions
My sentiments exactly
I saw the same thing this morning and thought “what the hell?” I mean, Jay Cutler? Seriously? He’s under .500 as a starter, wow, I’m so very impressed. As for Brees, I said in another thread, there were at least 2-3 games the Saints lost this season because of him. NO had 9 games that were decided by 5 points or less and won 3. So out of the 6 they lost, almost half were because Brees threw an INT with 3 minutes or less to go. I know NO has a bad defense, but they weren’t entirely to blame.
Oh yeah, and my sig says it all.
My "game-manager" QB just won the Super Bowl, while your stat-whore of a quarterback sat on his couch and watched!
that’s a very good point about Brees. i didn’t know he was so bad in the fourth quarter.
one thing i’ve noticed about Brees is that while he had fantastic (almost record-breaking) stats this season, his team ended up in last place. that says a lot, to me.
regarding Cutler… i don’t think he’s won a playoff game. i can’t see how anyone would rank him higher than Ben, in anything except a fantasy football context.
by weegiethompson on Jul 12, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
He hasn’t played a playoff game to my knowledge…
by John Stephens on Jul 12, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope, but i think they are giving him some love by carrying Denver to an 8-8 record, he made the score respectable in a lot of games…but couldnt carry them enough to win
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Jul 12, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically their (mass media and fans of other teams) message to Steelers fans is simple:
Enjoy your championships, be grateful, and just shut up! All these “reporters” or “experts” are somehow jealous of us and Big Ben :-)
The other thing is —> Anyone knows how good is Big Ben’s relations with media?
that’s a good question; i hadn’t thought of that. for some reason, the media throws mud at Ben whenever possible.
like you said, maybe he’s offended someone, somewhere?
by weegiethompson on Jul 12, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Everything I’ve seen or heard him on nationally, he has fun with the hosts, jokes around and then gives the team line on everything. That last part might hurt him, the media will bash a guy who says the wrong thing, but the guy who says all the right things they ignore.
by Phantaskippy on Jul 12, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Good stuff Weegie
It was fun reliving the run for XL.
Who cares if the rest of the world doesn’t like Benjamin? We love him, and he wins games for us. That’s all that matters. As for him getting respect, I don’t think that will happen until he wins another SB at least.
Thank you drive through...
Thanks a lot
You’re right, we’re lucky to have him.
by weegiethompson on Jul 12, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I am happy they did not list him in the top five
First, it makes the wins & the championships even sweeter,
Second, not having all the hoopla makes me feel like he is truly ours
Third, motivation baby!
Fourth, years from now Ben will be wearing a yellow Jacket, while Cutler & Rivers will be sporting anything but
Good points about the 05 run, but in the bowl itself
The bowl itself was still actually not a horrible performance. Yes on paper the numbers look like shit, and for much of the game he was.
But I believe 8 of his passes were 3rd down conversions, including that redunkulous 3rd and 27 and I dont think any other QB has a 3rd and 27 in the SB or something like that.
He made plays when he absolutely had to. And had a running TD in that game, which I felt was just ever so slightly legit.
And yes the Broncos game the week before was an absolute slaughter and I remember watching that one in a bar in Chicago as the crowd started as Broncos fans, and switched by halftime :)
Excuse my language but F*ck Jay Cutler
What the hell has he ever done that should put him in the top 5 QBs in the league. Seriously, does he even know what the playoffs are? No, because he has never been cause he is not that good.
Eff em, Ben. You are number 1 in my book.
Won-loss record is a funny category
Not funny “ha ha”, but funny “difficult”. Yes, Ben has the best regular season winning percentage of any QB for the first five years, ever, higher than Montana, Brady, anybody. Pretty impressive, right? So why the “lack of respect”?
IMO, it’s because winning percentage is the one stat category where a great defense can have a consistently significant impact. If a QB leads his offense to an average of 20 pts per game, then he’s going to have a lot more wins if his defense holds the opposing offense under 17 pts per game compared to, say, 24 pts per game. Like it or not, Ben has had the advantage of probably the best defense in the league during his career.
This is not to say that Ben is chopped liver, he’s actually been very good from a pure passing standpoint as well (that is to say, statistical categories where his own defense isn’t a big help to him). I’m just saying that there is a basis for others to disagree that Ben is the best or one of the best QBs in the league regardless of what us Steeler fans may think.
Personally, that’s another reason I’m really looking forward to this season. As fans, our ultimate dream is for our team to win a title, but we can have other goals, too. One of mine is to see Ben put together his best passing season yet. Call it a hunch, I think he’s going to do it, Ward is still effective, Santonio’s come into his own, I think Miller will play his biggest role yet, the running game should be better, and Pitts finally benefits from a weaker schedule. When all is said and done, I would not be surprised if Ben reverts to 2007 form, when he put up a personal-best rating of over 104.
About the defense
You bring up an extremely legitimate point, and from a less derogatory standpoint. Thanks!
One interesting stat of note, and I cant recall where or the exact numbers, but it actually suggested that there have been quite a few fourth quarters where our defense faltered and gave up a big TD or two. Most noteworthy example, Super Bowl 43.
You can spin the numbers however you want, but Ben has a lot of wins. And a lot of those came from him. And sometimes, they come from the defense. But I still credit the QB.
Hell, even in the 3-0 Miami Mudbowl here at Heinz, Ben was the leader of the last drive. Even if it was only like 42 yards, he put together more yards in that drive than like the last 5 combined.
True
But…Benjamin must still put points on the board, or else there are no wins at all.
Thank you drive through...
by Steel Spike on Jul 11, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
True enough, and I think he’s been the best clutch QB in the league since he came in. There’s nobody I’d rather have behind center in a do-or-die, last possession situation. And although he still makes some mistakes that other QBs are probably better at avoiding, he also makes some amazing plays that I don’t think any other player can make (or at least make as consistently) as he does.
In the end, I sure wasn’t ripping on Ben. I’d agree the above list is ridiculous, it seems to be based way too heavily on passing performances from last season only (when Pittsburgh faced a murderer’s row of opponents). Looking at statistics from a career perspective, and taking bottom line results into account as well, Ben is a top three QB in my book, and the youngest of them to boot. I’m excited as hell because, like I said earlier, I think he’s going to do even more to establish that this coming season.
Agreed. I am SO excited for the 2009 season. like you said, there are many factors working in the Steelers’ favor.
last year proved that we can win the Superbowl, with a horrible O-line, and the toughest schedule.
now we have the easiest schedule, and most of the championship team is intact.
i’m especially curious to see what the second year players can do… like Mendenhall, Patrick Bailey, Bruce Davis, even Limas Sweed.
by weegiethompson on Jul 12, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
Yes, defense and special teams are the other parts of the game that can affect the out come of the game. But you have to realize that those two other facets can also cause a team to lose. I think Madden said it best during the Super Bowl, something to the effect of “It is not just what you do, but when you do it”
To his point, many QBs put up phenomenal numbers in the passing game, but their teams fail to win. Drew Brees has record breaking numbers, but as pointed out earlier, in games decided by 5 points or less, his team more often than not loses those games.
The great QBs will their team to victory regardless of the situation. I can think of many games where our Defense folded (Super Bowl XLIII) and BB pulled victory out of defeat. I recall the Cleveland game two years ago where our Special Teams let Joshua Cribbs single handedly beat us, only to have BB will us to victory.
Are there any active QBs that have more game winning drives in the the 4th quarter than BB? To me, that is the mark of a great QB. Not putting up gaudy numbers against inferior teams (Jay Cutler) but not choking when your team needs you most (Manning Bros).
It was also not taken into consideration
that Ben has played behind an offensive line that has progressively gotten worse. It got to the point where the Steelers had no running game last season against the better teams. That makes life more traumatic for a QB. Put Ben behind Cutler’s line, or Brady’s. Jeepers, put him behind Cleveland’s line.
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
Exactly!
there isn’t another QB in the league who could win it all behind the Steelers’ O-line. i’m convinced of that.
Ben is such an amazing weapon because he has mobility, size, accuracy, and he comes through in the clutch.
he even calls his own plays occasionally in the no-huddle.
No other QB has this complete skill-set.
by weegiethompson on Jul 12, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You're missing the obvious point
Stats are (sort of) important but the one thing the top six QBs have in common: they are all pretty-boys. Ben looks like a normal guy. Not to say he is ugly but the guy is not photogenic. He doesn’t dress well and face-suck the press. A little dweeb like Cutler is SO cute, who cares that he can’t win a significant game? The same goes for Rivers. What a tool! If Leinart did not suck so bad, he would also be on the list.
Ben is the number three QB. I love the guy but have to put Brady and Manning ahead, for now. Even at number three, though, he is the perfect QB for our Steelers. YOu could not pay me to take the other two.
I disagree
There isn’t anyone on that list that I find attractive, not saying they’re ugly. Including New England quarterback. Seriously, I think I’m the only female who doesn’t swoon over ass-chin. In fact, I find him repulsive, and I throw things at the TV when his picture pops up. But that might not have to do with his looks, per se. As for Cutler, no thank you; he looks like he sulks to emo music in his spare time. Phillip Rivers? Hell no, but that’s probably because of the picture they use on Kissing Suzy Kolber, which is unflattering to say the least.
Then again, I have a thing for guys that look like “just some dude.” And I think Ben is ridiculously cute. But back to the main point, when Sapp said that McNabb does more with less, I felt Ben should have been mentioned because he’s right behind him in that respect. And McNabb had a very productive TO for one year, at least. I mean, I love Hines and Santo, don’t get me wrong, but nobody ever mentions them being in the top 5 WRs; they might not even make most people’s top 10.
That’s okay, because I love you Ben! I watch all your games (that I can see, living outside the Pittsburgh area), and I know how specatacular you really are. Most people just look at your stat-sheet and say you suck.
My "game-manager" QB just won the Super Bowl, while your stat-whore of a quarterback sat on his couch and watched!
Ben doesn’t play the star, and he isn’t serious, he’s not a guy you want to break down the game for you, he’s more into cracking jokes and flirting with the female reporters.
It’s a little like Terry, he’s not the poster boy, he’s not the superstar, he’s not the pretty-boy with the golden arm or ridiculous accuracy, he just wins games and goofs off. That’s how he comes across.
by Phantaskippy on Jul 12, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw this too...
It pissed me off, because they base it all off numbers, or at least the least significant numbers. Sapp picking Cutler was a joke, and Cutler has much lower career numbers than Ben, and there’s the fact that Cutler is a whiny b****, so I see no reason to put him anywhere near the top 5. McNabb and Brees, though great QB’s, have never one a Superbowl, and Brees may not have one a single playoff game, but don’t cite me on that last one. I’d put those two behind Ben due to their inability to win the big games.
My Top 5 in the NFL:
1. Brady,
2. P. Manning
3. Roethlisberger
4. Brees
5. McNabb
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jul 12, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions
Yes I agree with your list
Number three is a fair rank for Ben.
by weegiethompson on Jul 12, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Drew Brees is 1-2 in the post-season, with his only win coming against the Eagles in the 2006-2007 season.
My "game-manager" QB just won the Super Bowl, while your stat-whore of a quarterback sat on his couch and watched!
But he gets credit for having the sickest accuracy ever. Throwing the ball is still half the position.
by Phantaskippy on Jul 12, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
ok thanks
Yea I wasn’t sure if he did or not in his time with the Chargers or Saints, but still 1 and 2 is nothing to be proud of.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jul 13, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Bress's Postseason Record
Well Marty was his coach, that’s just like taking points off the board in the postseason.
Be careful on Brees bashing our fearless leader has a man crush for him. :)
by SteelBuckeye on Jul 13, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't bashing
High School Steeler wasn’t sure if Brees had won a playoff game, and I was telling which one. I like Drew Brees, but it sticks in my craw when people put him over Ben when Ben’s accomplished more. Marty was his coach for one of his losses, his other loss came in the 2006 NFCCG against the Bears the first year he went to the Saints.
My "game-manager" QB just won the Super Bowl, while your stat-whore of a quarterback sat on his couch and watched!
No one gives Ben credit because...
He’s made it look so easy from day 1.
The 1st start that he actually lost was the AFC Championship game his rookie year.
Because he plays for the Steelers, which pretty much has the trademark for defense and running the football, his contributions to Steeler victories are easily overlooked for those who don’t watch Steeler games in their entirety.
He’s not gonna light up the fantasy football scoreboards.
He’s not going to put up the digits to consistantly make the AFC Pro Bowl roster every year.
He doesn’t have lots of sexy statistical games with 300+ passing yds and 2+TD’s every week.
Not to say that he couldn’t, because he absolutely could if that’s what he was asked to do.
As the starting quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers, he is asked to lead his offense and his team in general to victory. Way more often than not, he has done that.
He’s also not the conventional drop back QB ala Brady and Manning.
Most of the big plays he makes are due to his escapism in the pocket.
Although he could sit back, read defenses and pick them apart, he often doesn’t have the time to consistantly do that.
He plays sandlot football alot and he’s very successful at it.
I could care less what others think about him.
He has 2 rings (under 2 different coaches) and he’s 3 years away from turning 30.
If he never played another down of football, the body of work he has put in the past 5 years would at least warrant a conversation about Canton.
Also on this
The NFL has a poll on the website, who is the best QB in the NFL right now. 27% are saying Peyton Manning and he is the leader. Brady has 24%. Drew Brees has 17%. 9% say Big Ben, 8% say Donovan McNabb. And the rest are “other”
How the hell can drew brees have double the votes over ben, and how can Ben be put just a tick above McInjury.
because people are stupid
you just have to deal with it.
Don’t worry, off season will be over soon and we’ll have more important things to talk about. Not really important, but more important than all these lists.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Two more cents
If this list ranks the careers of QBs, I would be more inclinded to accept Brees and McNabb over Ben by virtue of their longevity. No way their better than Ben at the moment. However, the inclusion of Cutler, a QB who has not won anything of note since he was at least 18, seems to preclude that.
Along with Rivers, he plays in a division with no defense (11 games against the bottom 12 pass defenses in the NFL or just shy of 3/4 of the season). If Rivers/Cutler played for the Bengals or Browns and had to face the Steelers and Ravens twice a year, they would be chopped liver.
For a similar reason, I didn’t get too worked up when Palmer was ranked above Ben in the past because he put up stats in the past despite playing four games a year (1/4 of the season) against those two defenses which is pretty damn impressive.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Jul 12, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah
I agree with that entire point there. Except I dont think i could give Brees a nod even. I mean yeah he’s been productive but has like almost nothing in the way of a playoff record.
McNabb is the only one in my mind that, besides Brady and Manning, can make a case. Thing is when he is healthy he can be like Jesus but when hes hurt, which is MOST of the time, then what.
One thing I will say about the eagles though, usually the pieces fit together again by the end of the year and they put a run together, usually because McNabb comes back near week like 13. Whereas the Cowboys choke off at the end.
He did take the Saints to the championship game in his first season with them
He needs a defense to give him some help
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Jul 13, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Screw Warren Sapp!
Tell ya what…they can rank their top 5 QBs all they want! When the history books go down with BB having 3 or 4+ Super Bowl rings, then they can choke on them all! HAHHA
I’d love to see how great ANY of those QBs would do with the O line problems BB has had to deal with. Yeah yeah yeah…holds ball too long whatever……
I guess they dont consider that BB has more comeback wins than I think of those QBs???
BB will have the last laugh! Since when does sports talking heads count for greatness? THEY DONT!
I hope BB gets lots of negative press…and I hope it drives him to even greater things!
He'd take McNabb in a championship game?!
I almost fell out of my tree when Sapp said that! I’m not sure which makes him championship material more, his 1-4 record in NFC championship games or throwing up like a champ in the super bowl! McNabb hasn’t had a 4th quarter comeback since 2004. Ben has had 19 in that time, including the SB! McNabb is softer than charmin! Cutler has done nothing yet. How you can put him on the list without a playoff win baffles me. Sapp is an appropriate name! Sapp indeed!
Well
Cowher had a 1-4 record in them too… just saying.
Its better to get there and lose than to not get there at all
If you told the Lions, Rams, Chiefs etc that there QB was gonna take them to 5 championship games but not win any of them….im pretty sure theyd take it
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Jul 13, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad criteria
Sapp clearly went for pure passers and statistics instead of looking at the whole packages.
Manning and Brady I can understand, but Ben is arguably the third best, and definitely top five.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
what did you expect
a fews days earlier they had Owen Daniels, Chris Cooley and 5 other tight ends ranked above Miller, he wasnt even mentioned on the show. Rediculousness!!!!
Another list? Haha...
Ben should be higher, everyone else is over rated. Rabble rabble rabble….
We all know what we’ve got. I think we should just laugh at these now. I know I do. Yeah it’s frustrating, oh well.
“I don’t walk past any top 5 quarterback awards”. You know the rest.
oh rabble rabble rabble
nice south park reference!!
There is no spoon
by chewiesteeler on Jul 13, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if this has been mentioned or not already
but in the same episode of the NFL Network that day, Steve Wyche put up his list of top 10 QB’s in the NFL.
He put Warren Moon and Y.A. Tittle (name says it all) on the list, who both were good QB’s but I don’t believe either have ever won a (Moon won a bunch of CFL titles but come on, it’s Canada, American Football is not even a blip on the radar in the GWN). Terry Bradshaw was not on the list. Though Bradshaw wasn’t a stat machine only one other QB in NFL history has won 4 Superbowls, and guess where he weighed in on the list? Number 2, Joe Montana.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jul 13, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions
Forgot
who both were good QB’s but I don’t believe either have ever won a Superbowl
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jul 13, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Warren Moon
I’d like to say I think Moon deserves being in the HOF given the fact that it is the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Even if that title is rather misleading.
And I think if we are talking top ten ever Moon is definitely in there. Almost 50k yards in the NFL alone is pretty impressive. Realize he was 39 and 40 when he threw back to back 4000+ yard seasons with minnesota in the 90’s. Thats quite a feat.
A little extra on the stats
The only QB’s with more NFL yardage than moon are Favre, and Marino and Elway. TD’s puts him in the middle of the top 10, just edging Unitas by 1.
And yes I do personally weigh superbowls very heavy in my mind, a championship matters. However you do have to account some digits when you look over a players history. I mean, Marino is in so he kinda set a precedent.
yea I'm not discounting what those guys did
but just like Tomlin says “People are to preoccupied with style points” I mean, sure it’s great to have a 40 TD season w/ 4,000+ yards but in my mind winning the big one should always be the most important factor. I should add that a QB who has won a Championship should have also played a factor in getting there, winning the game, or both.
I’ll agree that Moon is completely deserving of his HOF status, but to be ranked higher than Bradshaw just doesn’t seem like an accurate assessment in my mind.
Comparing it to today I’d much rather have Ben Roethlisberger in a big game, then say a stats guru like Tony Romo or Phillip Rivers.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jul 13, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh indeed word to this
I concur on that point. Bradshaw IMO has to be in the top 7 at least. I mean yes he had a bruising ground game and epic defense but he made plays man. He earned those 4 rings and I have to say without him they probably have maybe 1 in that era.
Every team needs a commanding general
to win big games. Look at some of the coaches that have won SB’s, Tomlin, Noll, Cowher, Billicheat, Jimmy Johnson, The Tuna, Gibbs, Dungy, Madden, Art Shell(?), and of course, Lombardi. A great coach is a MUST HAVE before ANYthing can be accomplished. After that, it’s the QB, because as I said further up in this thread, if the QB doesn’t put points on the board, there would be no wins at all. Then, and only then, comes the D. All these things must be in place before championships are won.
Now, you could make the argument that the talent of the team a coach surrounds himself with determines his greatness. True to a point, but look at Marino. No SB’s for him. Granted, I have no idea who his coach was, but it doesn’t matter now, does it? Bradshaw wasn’t a stat-whore, and he won 4 under Noll.
By the way, I’m kinda lumping Special Teams with D here, since this is a thread about QB’s and their success.
Thank you drive through...
Okay, great
Don Shula, whoopee…He had, arguably, the best QB of all time, and where did it get him while coaching said QB? Not to the SB…
Thank you drive through...
Well
He did get to the SB, but lost to the 2nd best QB of all time. Who had an arguably better team. Guess he gets props too for being the only coach to coach an undefeated season. Bah that 72’ game still comes back to haunt us.
by SteelBuckeye on Jul 13, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
no
He got there with Danny boy. If I remember correctly the Steelers lost to the Fins in the playoffs, and the dark days of the 80’s started right then.
by SteelBuckeye on Jul 13, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL thx
my brain nearly broke there reading that line.
oops
sorry, that should have been a reply to nysteelersfan4.
by SteelBuckeye on Jul 13, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe if Ben wins another SB b4 he turns 30 he'll be better than Jay Cutler...
The more I think about that, the more it grinds my gears © Peter Griffin.
Jay Cutler?
I get the Brady/P.Manning/Brees/McNabb arguments…
I don’t agree but I get them…
But Jay Cutler?
Really?
Jay Cutler has done enough work in 2 NFL season to be declared better than a 2-time Super Bowl champion QB?
Really?
The ring means nothing. Right now.
Big Ben should be on the list, but I don’t agree with the argument that his 2 rings should move him up the list. Overall stats and SB wins are for the HOF voting and after career arguments. I will never call Trent Dilfer a great QB because he has a SB ring.
If I had to make a super team with players for 70’s forward, Marino would be my starting QB. Now being a homer if i had to do it with active plays, it is Big Ben.
The Dilfer comparisons need to end
I understand that it’s possible for a mediocre QB to win a title, but how many mediocre ones have won multiple rings? I don’t recall any. If Ben still had only one ring then I could still see the inevitable comparisons to Dilfer. Now that he has validated himself by winning again, those comparisons should cease to exist. I’m not just talking about your post, but I have seen this argument over and over with regards to Ben and it just doesn’t hold any water anymore now that he’s a two time champion. Ben is elite. Anybody who consistently watches Steeler football games knows this to be fact.
Absolutely
I wasn’t getting on you specifically, just pointing out the obvious. I’ve seen the comparison between Ben and Dilfer made too often. I think it can be a valid argument for a one-time winning QB, but Ben exorcised the demon of his 22.6 rating from XL with last year’s performance and should never again be mentioned in the same breath with Dilfer. Eli on the other hand… j/k kind of.
Been going round and round with some guys on Big Blue in the ridiculous Ben vs. Eli debate. Those poor folks are coming to a gun fight with a butter knife. It has forced me to delve more deeply into Ben’s PO numbers though so at least I’ve been able to educate myself a bit more about our future HOF QB.
by King Coebra on Jul 13, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah saw that one
On ESPN.com afc blog they started that shit. Honestly its like how can anybody even try to argue that.
Whats more, damn eli was such a bitch about being drafted. That whole mess irritates me. Like he had some sense of entitlement.
That having been said, he beat the pats in a super bowl and for that deserves a round of drinks on me.
Cheers to that
Got to give props to anyone who beats the Patriots. I believe that is the only time I have been truly excited about watching a SB not including the Steelers. I watched the last quarter in a bar in Cincy and when the Giants scored late to go ahead, I jumped up sending my chair flying into the table behind mine. I was so happy to see NE lose so that I wouldn’t have to hear about the “unbeatable patriot dynasty”. About time they experienced a bit of bad luck IMO.
In the end for me
The Patriots losing the Superbowl was more important to me than the Giants winning
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Jul 18, 2009 5:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Whatever...
Ben will have his place, and already does to more than enough fans.
Remember when you were a kid? And the players you emulated?
In 1-15 years, we may be seeing a kid come up, giving a post Super Bowl winning MVP acceptance speech, and he’ll cite Ben as the guy he wanted to be like when he grew up.
[] Brees? Great stats, seems like a great guy. Won jack.
[] Rivers? Whatever.
[] McNabb? No. Easily can say he’s a product of a pass-happy system more than any other QB in any system in the NFL. Not saying he is, but you can make the case.
[] Cutler. Really? No, seriously, REALLY? Honestly? Wow.
Seems like NFL Network is ESPN’s little wide-eyed baby brother. What a joke.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
oops..
Meant to type “10-15 years”….
hahaha…but in retrospect, I’ll bet if another player wins, they’ll secretly admire Ben. hahaha…
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
I love it....
I love the Steelers and Ben being under estimated every year. This year and 05 were perfect examples of flying under the radar all year and taking care of business at the end.
Works well for us.
3rd and 28
Whenever someone reminds me how “poorly” Ben played in his first super bowl, my answer is simple: 3rd and 28. Late in the first half, the offense was going backwards, barely in field goal range, it was 3rd and 28. Protection broke down, Ben rolled left, stop before the line of scrimmage, and found Hines Ward at the one for a first down. Then he ran it in for a TD. I am guessing it may be the only 3rd and 28 conversion in Super Bowl history.
Ben is a playmaker. Not a stat guy (especially in the this offense).
Last question: how many of the top 5 QBs could have won a super bowl behind our line last year???
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
"Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history."
Art Rooney Jr.
"Level-headed thinking." Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Related FanPosts on Behind the Steel Curtain
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
