Would Trent Edwards have a SB ring if he played for the Steelers in 2008?
Here's a little something to get Steeler fans all worked up on a Friday evening. A member at Buffalo Rumblings the SBNation site for the Buffalo Bills posted a Fan-Shot regarding this very Question. What do you guys think? Let them know over at Buffalo Rumblings.
6 months ago
drinkyourmilkshake
28 comments
0 recs |
Email
PrintComments
YES!!!
I like Edwards, he’s nowhere near the qb Ben is but I think he could do it. Ben’s scrambling ability and clutch performances keep us in games and of course our D does the rest. But I’ve got a feeling that the rest of the team would step up if our qb wasn’t great in those areas. Sorta how the Eagles get better without McNabb.
Of course we’re light years better with Ben. I just have a lot of faith in the rest of our guys and Edwards is no slouch. Plus Mr.Walsh would be helping out from up there;)
it never got weird enough for me
by JerseyFresh on Jul 17, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yea
they steped up like they did with kordell, tomzack, tommy gun. Your argument is null and void. Trent would have gotten killed behind that line, he doesnt have the arm that ben has nor the leaderships and guts to pull the team out of wins. There isnt much the defense could do more last year I mean they were number one in 2/3 stats for defense and 2nd in dat other one. Get real there is only one other QB in dat NFL dat can do what ben does and that’s McNabb. His arm plus scrambling ability is the only one that matches Ben’s right now. I can think if severl QB I’d take before Trent Edwards, what are you guys smoking?
Guy’s I’d take before trent Edwards
1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Ben R.
4. D. McNabb
5. Drew Brees
6. Phillup Rivers
7. Kurt Warner
8. Jay Cutler
9. Tony Romo
10. Eli Manning
11. Carson Palmer
12. Aaron Rodgers
Thats almost half the NFL’s QB you’d have a hard time arguing Trent Edwards over any of these guys. These guys are crazy.
by tannofsteel84 on Jul 18, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoking the good shit!!!
I agree that this line would not be conducive for most QB’s to have success. But if we didn’t need to pay Ben in 08 we could address the line a bit more. Stewart and Maddox didn’t have the defense 08 had. I’m not taking away from Ben at all, I’m saying that you can’t undervalue the rest of the team. I mean the Ravens rode Flacco all the way to the AFC Championship game, if we didn’t have Big Ben we’d look like a better version of them.
Now if we were talking about the Colts I would say no, they relty too much on Manning and are built around him. But the Steelers are more talented all over, so in my opinion you could insert a descent QB into the fold and have a reasonable chance to win most games. Lefty looked good when called upon and I don’t see him on your list. I just think having guys like Polamalu, Harrison, Ward, Woodly, A.Smith, Big Snack, and Farrior has to count for something. And Edwards ain’t exactly Grossman.
it never got weird enough for me
by JerseyFresh on Jul 19, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you need to move Aaron Rodgers way up that list
and add Jason Campbell, Matt Ryan, Matt Sanchez, Jeff Garcia, David Garrard, Joe Flacco, Matt Schaub, Derek Anderson, Matt Hasselbeck and Matt Cassel—and maybe even Brady Quinn or Marc Bulger….Edwards is WAAAAAAAAAAAY down the list….this is too funny….and yes, I think LAST YEAR Ben could have taken those Bills to the playoffs….remember Brady was out and both the Jets and Dolphins were very beatable….Marshawn Lynch is a huge weapon and so is Lee Evans….they finished 7-9 but had 3 losses by a TD or less and seemed to be in alot of games late but made dumb mistakes….Ben would have been the difference.
by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Jul 19, 2009 5:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol i wouldnt want half of those qb’s on my team as a starter right now. jason campbell, sanchez, derek anderson? edwards is only going into his 3rd year, has had moments where he played well, & shown promise. more than those what can be said for a lot of those ppl.
by t1mmy10 on Jul 19, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't want them on the Steelers
NO WAY! But all those guys are better than Trent Edwards….TE has done nothing but throw awful interceptions at the end of games….Campbell, Sanchez and Anderson haven’t shown promise? Wow, you’re hard to please. In his 2 and 1/2 years, Campbell has led the Skins to the playoffs once (10-6 record) and almost got there last year….he has 37TD’s and 32 turnovers in his short career….Edwards is still waiting on the playoffs and has 21 TD’s and 23 turnovers in almost two years….I’d take Campbell (who also can run a little) and it’s not even close….Derek Anderson only led the Browns(!!) to a 10-6 record in 2007, while throwing 29 TD passes and made the pro bowl IN HIS FIRST FULL SEASON….DA has thrown 43 TD passes and has made only 27 starts….Anderson is FAR AND AWAY better than Edwards, he is just stuck in Cleveland and will never win there….Sanchez is a rookie who is being put into a great situation in NY and will be better as a rookie than Edwards will in his 3rd season….Edwards hasn’t done anything close to the other names either….Leftwich is probably better than him. LOL
by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Jul 19, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1) campbell: those stats only tell half the story about him. those were in his 3rd and 4th year after he had the luxury of sitting on the bench for a year and a half. edwards started his 1st year and i bet in his 3rd and 4th year will be putting up better stats than campbell (or atleast be a better qb hands down). edwards had an avg passer rating of 85 this past season, while it took campbell until his 4th year to get above an avg of 80 (it was 84 this past season). thats why i’d prefer to have edwards on my team instead of campbell next year.
2) sanchez has tons of potential yes, but he’s proven jack in the nfl yet. most qb’s struggle their first year in the nfl & no coincidence the only rookie qb’s to ever win a playoff game were playing with a great defense. in the long run he’ll probably end up better than edwards, but he wont be next year.
3) derek anderson also cost his team their shot at the playoffs by throwing 4 ints against the bengals. not to mention he was one int away from being tied for the most interceptions in the league that year. and look how crappy he did last year. thats why he’ll be fighting for a starting job next year.
i dont think edwards is great, but i dont think he’s horrible either
by t1mmy10 on Jul 19, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we're in agreement on that at least
he’s not horrible, he’s just young and unproven….he still has time to be good….as for the other 3 above, Campbell has a strong arm, is mobile and knows the Skins offense better now—watch out for the Skins this year, Haynesworth will change things in the NFC East; Sanchez will have a dominant O-Line, solid run game and good defense with the Jets—the playoffs are possible this year; Anderson plays for Cleveland so he’ll never win anything, but I’d still take him over Edwards—DA is big, has a great arm and gets rid of the ball quickly. Too bad he has a crappy o-line and awful receivers….you do make good arguments here t1mmy10, I appreciate the debate brother.
by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Jul 20, 2009 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you make good points too. i appreciate you backing up your takes with facts & legit points rather than nothingness
by t1mmy10 on Jul 20, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bogus
I refuse to dignify this with my response.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Jul 17, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course, absolutely.....
Just like Lefty and Dennis Dixon. All the backups get ’em.
by Homer J. on Jul 17, 2009 6:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
How well can he throw a pass
while in the arms of the defenders who will get to him during his dropback?
by Desroko on Jul 17, 2009 6:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously…..?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Jul 17, 2009 6:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh here we go...
Yeah cause Trent Edwards can shake off 250 pound tacklers, and hit perfect corner passes, and scramble for 10 seconds longer than the play should go.
god now I hate the bills and they stank.
by Mechem on Jul 17, 2009 6:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you haven't already
View the entire article over at Buffalo Rumblings AND all their responses. I found it to be an enjoyable read.
by jharmon64 on Jul 17, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually yeah
I read the first 20-30 poasts and they all seem to agree Ben probably was the key to winning the end of the game and he’s scary good. And that Edwards aint ready for that big stage.
Relatively reasonable group of people. Though what the OP was thinking is beyond me.
by Mechem on Jul 17, 2009 11:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes...
…if he was the backup QB. although he did help his team make some 4th quarter combacks he never had to deal with “your entire season is riding on this drive pressure.” he also isn’t as good as big ben nor has quite the ability to avoid sacks like its his business with the subpar line we had last year. at least at this point in his career, he’s not nearly as good.
and it’s not like you’re just subbing in some guy who doesnt make that much of a difference with all the rest of the pieces in place. thats a huge difference maker position because every offensive play depends on the qb completing his assignment.
by t1mmy10 on Jul 18, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's an interesting question...
Obviously, this is purely hypothetical, but it’s a fun question.
The stats are there, but this returns to the age-old debate of what stats actually mean. Do stats tell the whole story? Obviously not, but they aren’t meaningless.
Ignoring that line of reasoning completely, it’s clear that one thing is going on here:
Hometown fans are always overly-optimistic. As a Pirates fan who buys into the hype every year, I know that this is true.
And this is what motivates questions like this. Optimistic Buffalo fans want to think that Edwards will lead them out of their current rut and into a bright Bills future. Unfortunately, this sounds a lot like desperation. It most closely resembles the thinking of Kyle Orton fans in Chicago, who, for two years, were under the misapprehension that Orton could lead the Bears to a Super Bowl. Anyone outside of Chicago could clearly see the falsity of that sentiment, and once Chicago acquired Jay Cutler, the Bears fans could see the truth too.
Buffalo fans are falling into the same trap.
There’s a million things that need to be fixed in Buffalo, and getting high on Trent Edwards is probably just fan optimism.
Still, my answer to the post’s question is: it’s possible.
by PaulMorel on Jul 18, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bad comparison
I think the point the article was attempting to make was that Ben is good game manager and the real reason we won the 2 Super Bowls is because of a great running game and defense. That any competant game manager would have won the SB with the defense and running game(haha) that the Steelers possed.
Excuse me, but as a LONG suffering Steelers fan that has seen a span of 25+ years of no SB and a period between 1992 – 2004 where the Steelers possesesed a great defense, great running game and ZERO Super Bowls, I have to respectfully disagree.
Please…, that argument is moot and any real Steelers fan knows what we suffered through with Bubby Brister, Horse Face, Slash and Tommy Gun, not to mention the various backup game managers behind center.
I have suffered through so many heart breaking playoff losses with a great defense and great running game. I have seen our QBs tank when the game was on the line. You all know that feeling, the Steelers have built a good lead and are running the clock out. The other team gets the ball back and our defense is winded because we have been nursing a lead for 2 quarters. They eventually make a mistake and the other team takes the lead. It’s now up to our QB to come up BIG and get us in field goal position for a tie or score the winning TD. Don’t tell me you have lost that feeling in your gut, you know the one I am talking about prior to 2004. What was the usual outcome, esp. in play off games prior to 2004? INT baby, game over, Steelers go home having had a great season with one of the best ranked Defenses and Running games!!!
Tell me Big Ben is not the difference.
Cowher was a great coach before BB came along and won him a SB.
The Bus as a great running back before BB came along and won him a SB.
Dick Lebeau was a great D-cood before BB came along and won him a SB.
Mike Tomlin is a good coach before BB won him a SB, now he is a great coach.
by vin2k on Jul 18, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also
Every QB that has won 2 or more SB are in the hall of Fame. there are only 9 other guys other than Ben to do it. Game Managers don’t win 2 superbowls it just doesnt work like that
by tannofsteel84 on Jul 18, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I can see how this is an interesting question to raise for other teams, but the answer is obvious to steeler fans. Great defense and running games are very critical to championships, but not complete in themselves. Trent Dilfer is the exception, not the rule. There have been many teams, even besides the ‘92-’04 steelers, who have fallen short because they lacked that extra element. We know that Ben is special because the results speak for themselves.
by jwillcourt on Jul 20, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Neverending Optimism
is an apt name for the person who wrote that post. :)
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jul 18, 2009 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think its tough...
…to argue all the variables regarding how much a better team (the Steelers) would affect Edwards. IMO, you have to just look at it in terms of whether Edwards would have made the plays that Big Ben HAD to make to win the games the Steelers HAD to win. These would be all the games where the running game was nonexistent (not sure why everyone thinks the Steelers had a strong running game last year) and the 4th quarter comebacks in the SB, against Baltimore for the division, etc.
I’m no expert on Edwards, but I don’t remember ever seeming hm accomplish something similar for the Bills. Granted, he has had less opportunities to do so.
Plus, no one seems to be making the case that Edwards is as good as Big Ben (and rightly so)…or that the Steelers would have been as good a team with Edwards. They seem to be saying that Pittsburgh could have still won the superbowl with a crappier QB because of their strong D. An argument that says a lot about your QB.
by HoustonPA on Jul 18, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And
They also pose the question of whether the bills would have won the superbowl with Big Ben.
I don’t think Dan Marino could have taken that 7-9 Bills team to the superbowl, with all its holes. So that really isn’t a fair question. I mean, in any given year, a lot of really good QBs can’t take their team to the superbowl (Peyton Manning has only won 1 superbowl in his career).
What you have to ask is would the Bills have been better? And again, you’d have to look at their games and determine how many more games they’d have won if their QB had made a play when he had to. And then assume that Big Ben would made that play. It’s safe to make that assumption because Big Ben has made those plays consistently (and unbelievably).
by HoustonPA on Jul 18, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummmm...NO.
Really?
Is this the closest the Bills can come to a Super Bowl? Is playing the make believe game, riding the “alternate universe” train the only way they’ll see a Lombardi Trophy, imagined or not?
My problems with this…wow…where does one start? Other than the fact they were in position to take Ben just like anyone else could have when they had the chance.
1) Ben is not a game manager. Period. Was he managing the game, nervous beyond his years that he wouldn’t blow the game for Pittsburgh during that final drive? No. He took the game over and if you want to call that ‘managing,’ then manage all you want. But in the context the writer of this piece (I use that term loosely for your interpretive freedoms), it was derogatory.
2) “Who wouldn’t be confident” during that last drive, with the defense the Steelers have? You know, if you carry that logic through the rest of the season, tell me why the Steelers didn’t go undefeated, because the Steelers D was solid like that all season. A burp here or there, but the #1 ranked unit and the best since the 2000 Ravens (I’d argue this unit was better).
3) Offensive line. Most sacks caused not by the line itself, in fact only 19 have been credited to the line through replay research through the entire season. 19. The O-line is NOT as horrifically rancid as everyone makes it to be. An elite unit, hell no. But not horrid.
I’m sorry, but the writers’ flawed perspective, seen in his listing of QB’s and his logic that in his mind flawlessly connects stats to reality, is humorous and telling.
You can keep trent Edwards, and wish to swap out your starting QB in fantasy land. I won’t even entertain the imaginary thought of lending you Roethlisberger in a sick, sweat-stained, dry-heaving filled “I-Just-Ate-A-Bad-Bologna-Sandwich” induced hallucinatory fever.You can’t have him at all.
That may just be one difference (of the many) between the Bills and the Steelers. We don’t dream hardware, sweat, and tears and championship parades; we hold them tangibly.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
by __.58.__ on Jul 19, 2009 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Join the community and dive in!
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Certain photos copyright © 2010 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
