BTSC Steelers Daily Six Pack- Ben Roethlisberger Press Confrence At 2pm Edition
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Jul 23, 2009 1:41 PM EDT
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PrintIX-The Steelers are expecting record crowds for the 2009 training camp being held at St. Vincent College for the 43rd straight season. A third practice field has been added to help spread out the expected record crowd. According to the Post Gazette the monks at St. Vincent College wrote Dan Rooney a letter after the Super Bowl telling Rooney congratulations and that the monks had been praying for the Steelers. In response Dan Rooney had the following to say:
"You're not off the hook yet. Keep them praying"
X-As SteeladyinVA mentioned in her fan post, Ben Roethlisberger will host a press conference at 2pm today. He is expected to address the allegations made by Andrea McNulty, but will not take any questions. UPDATE: Here is a link to the video from and below is a copy of the transcript from ESPN's AFC North's James Walker.
"I did not sexually assault Andrea McNulty. Saturday was the first that I learned of her accusations. Her false and vicious allegations are an attack on my family and on me. I would never, ever force myself on a woman. I want to fight to protect my family and my reputation. I'm not going to discuss my private life or this civil case in the media. I'll respond to her outrageous allegations in the appropriate forum. I have an obligation to our fans, to my teammates, to my coaches and everyone in the organization to remain focused on the Pittsburgh Steelers, and I will do that. The allegations against me are reckless and false. As much as I'd like to answer everyone's questions, I'm going to respect the legal process and I am confident that the truth will prevail. Thank you."
XIII-Bruce Arians is helping out an old friend and former colleague who is going through a liver transplant this summer. Although Arians hasn't coached with his friend, Spencer Prescott, in over 25 years he feels it's important to help the Prescott through his difficult time. Arians recently beat prostate cancer, so he has a frame of reference in dealing with health struggles.
XIV-ESPN AFC North looks at training camp for each team in the AFC North. In the article James Walker states, "Although the coaching staff won't admit it, few teams need training camp and the preseason less than Pittsburgh." I doubt Mike Tomlin feels that way and think he would give Walker a few killer quotes about why this group of men needs to come out stronger than ever from the 2009 training camp.
XL-James Farrior had one of his best seasons last year despite weighing as little as 218 pounds during parts of the season. For some perspective on how small 218 pounds is for an inside linebacker, consider that saftey Troy Polamalu weighs only about 10 pounds more than that. This year Farrior has been bulking up in the offseason and looks to come to training camp with a few extra pounds to keep his weight consistently heavier than last season.
XLIII-Steelers Gab, and Gridiron Gab caught up with Steelers linebacker Keyaron Fox for an interview that you can listen to below.
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Hines ward on Ben
From twitter, via BTSC twitter feed
How do we know that is HInes?
312 followers….doubt it
by John Stephens on Jul 23, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
he just started his account a few days ago
ignore the # of followers.
that said, the point still stands. we’ll see.
by syrsteelerfan on Jul 23, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
How do we know its him though? Just any random person could start a twitter under his name…
by John Stephens on Jul 23, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what i just said
that you raise a valid point and we’ll see. all i meant is that the # of followers doesn’t have much to do with it. that said i follow these things and this one doesn’t seem fake. but we’ll see.
by syrsteelerfan on Jul 23, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh my bad
I thought you meant we will see about the Ben’s situation.
by John Stephens on Jul 23, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea I don't think Ward would say anything before Ben did.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jul 23, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
WTF
Why did the feed go blank just as Ben was about to speak?!!
well its over…lasted all of about two minutes…my work computer was laggin too much, couldn’t see what he said.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Jul 23, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions
DAMN
The feed just stopped; went black! Anyone else?
Mine never started
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jul 23, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions
I was watching for a few minutes before Ben walked in the room… then Ben walks in the room, steps up to the podium and then the feed just went black!
If anyone can find a link to the video or a transcript of what was said, please post it. If I can find anything, I will be sure to do the same. Thanks.
Im working on it
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Jul 23, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't get the feed going...
Anyone see anything? I just had a glimpse of a guy doing weather than got a black screen.
Yea I would like to see his actual emotion
If he actually sat down or if he just kinda did a state-and-run…
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jul 23, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That's all he said
He had to go to the restroom and left the mic on while he was in here. Heard farting noises and singing.
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
lol you had me believing up until the second sentence.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jul 23, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i bet he had a little spatter in his britches walking onto that set. i wonder if he and the lawyer practiced those ’ol politician hand gestures. “I did not have sex with that woman. Monica Lewinski.” – Bill Clinton.
I bet you're happy
Your QB is gay so you’ll never have this problem…..UNLESS he does a elementary football camp.
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
Joe could rape another guy...
He would just smother them with the excess hair between his eyebrows and then take advantage.
by John Stephens on Jul 23, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
They would report
That they got raped by Oscar the Grouch.
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
Not Oscar, Bert
My "game-manager" QB just won the Super Bowl, while your stat-whore of a quarterback sat on his couch and watched!
by Ladi Izz on Jul 23, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It’s almost as if that picture gets funnier every time I see it. Good stuff.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jul 23, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we photoshop this...
So the trash can is purple, and the scram sign is replaced by a 5. Put a football in his hands and I’m not sure his parents could see the difference. Hahaha…
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jul 23, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
epic
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jul 23, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Way too much time on your hands.
RAPE RAPE RAPE!
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
It took 2 minutes.
Murder murder lose murder!
by John Stephens on Jul 24, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahahha That picture is great. I wonder if he knows he has a unibrow and just doesn’t mind it or he honestly has no idea that there is one line of hair across his forehead above his eyes
"That’s been our story all year. We’ve got a team that doesn’t blink in the face of adversity. It’s never going to be pretty or perfect, if you will, but they’ve got a great deal of belief in one another. They’ve got a great deal of resolve, and it was put on display. Our defense gets a lot of recognition for what they’re capable of, and rightfully so, but what you saw from our quarterback and our offense at the end of that football game is what they’ve provided for us all year. When we’ve needed it the most, they’ve done it and done it big. That’s a rerun for us."
Mike Tomlin, before superbowl 43
by steelcity7612 on Jul 25, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as I hate him
gay doesn’t equal pedophile.
Watch out for him in the locker room though.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Thanks
I like how Tomlin was standing right there, good to see that he’s on the scene, wouldn’t expect anything less from him.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jul 23, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Flacco has never had a beer and girls feak him out at this point. Hard to tell which way he’ll turn but he won’t be caught wearing a Party Hard/Get Drunk t-shirt and hugging bimbos at a high school party. i hope he is gay because that will be funny as shit when he takes over the division for the next decade. LOL.
Observation on your point...
Not saying it will ever happen, and there is different circumstances, but…. Todd Marenuvich (horribly misspelled). Clearly different guys, but you better hope that Flacco never just “loses it” and tries to compensate for time lost. Just a thought.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jul 23, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Do You Guys...
Know for sure Flacco doesn’t have a romantic life? I know we joke about him on here a lot, but I was just wondering if that was steeped in some kind of fact.
Joe has had the same GF for years
Near the end of his senior year, he began dating classmate Dana Grady. Five years later, she’s still his girlfriend, and she stood beside him while he took his first steps into the Ravens’ training complex.
Here’s the source. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/bal-sp.flacco04may04,0,3175941.story?page=3
Seems like he’s a just homebody rather than a flashy nightlife kind of guy.
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
I read somewhere
That her name was Dan up until she/he mysteriously disappeared one summer. Then Dana appears.
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Jul 24, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
when he takes over the division for the next decade
And you are basing this on what? One season? One rookie season?
by John Stephens on Jul 23, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
In fairness...
With the exception of a few playoff games, we say Woodley is going to be the next great OLB. He’s only had one year of playing time. Granted, his year as compared to other OLB’s was better than Flacco’s when compared to QB’s.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jul 23, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but
Teams probably won’t design their offenses around Woodley. Teams do design their offenses around how the QB plays. Now that people have a year of tape to analyze on him he should be getting a lot of new looks (i.e. the turf close-up).
by John Stephens on Jul 23, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re humor is still lack-luster but at least you figured out that “reply” button.
by John Stephens on Jul 23, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
you wish he’ll take over the division for the next 10 years. He has played, played very well. He never showed intimidation except when he played the steelers he was so scared of our D I almost felt sorry for him he just looked like he would rather be anywhere than the Pittsburghs defensive line running at him
"That’s been our story all year. We’ve got a team that doesn’t blink in the face of adversity. It’s never going to be pretty or perfect, if you will, but they’ve got a great deal of belief in one another. They’ve got a great deal of resolve, and it was put on display. Our defense gets a lot of recognition for what they’re capable of, and rightfully so, but what you saw from our quarterback and our offense at the end of that football game is what they’ve provided for us all year. When we’ve needed it the most, they’ve done it and done it big. That’s a rerun for us."
Mike Tomlin, before superbowl 43
by steelcity7612 on Jul 25, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
DYM
Is there a way to embed that link on today’s six pack?
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jul 23, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions
As in
having the actual video on the post.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jul 23, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
if you find an embedded code I would be glad to do it…right now none of the pittsburgh news stations have embedded codes
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Jul 23, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
ah i c
well I’ll try to find one.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jul 23, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t find a link to a video to embed on the site but I updated and put a copy of the transcript for now.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Jul 23, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions
not anything groundbreaking...
After watching him deliver his statement, he seemed pretty ticked off but handled it well – I know I know he just read a statement, how hard is that? But there are ways to mess up reading a statement – tone, delivery, body language, etc. and I think he did alright. Having Tomlin right there beside him was good as well.
+1
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jul 23, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think his body language was not good at all...
But I am hoping he was just nervous to be up there because of all this crap going on.
by John Stephens on Jul 23, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
Granted he was shifty, but when he looked up and around he seemed confident and driven.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jul 23, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll have to disagree then
I have studied body language for a bit in college for a couple of elective classes. Clearly, I am no pro at it and I am not going to pretend to know exactly what all of his shifts and movements meant. But to me, some of his mini-shoulder movements seemed out of place to me and his eye-movement/contact seemed awkward. That’s why my guess is he was just awkward.
I still think he is innocent, but I do not feel any less concerned after his statement.
by John Stephens on Jul 23, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Well executed public speaking on any occasion is not exactly a common trait throughout the league. Add in the tenseness of the situation, he handled himself pretty well.
It's still a good season if we go 2-14 and beat the Steelers twice.
Ugh...you
I am not comparing him to public speaking throughout the league. I am looking at Ben’s micro-signals when he gave the speech. There are tiny motions that people make when they are lying, nervous, angry, etc etc. They are pretty much on rare, rare occasions the same in every person and very difficult to hide (unless you are a trained to avoid them).
He displayed some of them, and that is why I was concerned.
by John Stephens on Jul 23, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
dude are you serious…you sound sillier and sillier. Stop making random points that make no sense. I dont know a single college course out there that teaches body language.
I do know that there is a show out there called lie to me that focuses on stuff like this.
That being said, there were two guys who pioneered your ‘micro signals’ and found out that the facial expressions can be broken down significantly enough to figure out if a person is lying. But it takes a lot of studying and experience to figure out.
I can however say that you are completely wrong about your ‘micro signal’ ballyhoo.
Ben Roethlisberger practiced his speech prior to delivering it and knows the gravity of the situation. He basically wanted to emphasize how serious he was about it. Did you notice his behavior when he said civil case? He was desperately trying to emphasize it but couldn’t do much of a good job…It was classic case of the nerves. I know because WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE I WAS ALSO ON THE DEBATE TEAM. And people who weren’t particularly well prepared or were nervous behaved in such a way.
Relax, the guy just wants to make his point, this is the first time he’s facing the press in such a negative environment.
Stop pretending to know what you’re talking about. No one cares about your awesome classes that focused on ‘micro signals’ and body language. I bet it was a seminar or a sociology course where someone mentioned body language in passing or for half a lecture.
Really…I can’t stand the kind of crap people spew out.
First of all, wow.
Second
“I dont know a single college course out there that teaches body language.”
So you know every single college’s schedule of classes? You know specifically which schools offer which classes? There are over 4,000 colleges in the USA which probably offer at least 1,000 different classes each. That’s pretty ridiculous that you could even begin to pretend to know all of those.
Third, I am sure you read when I said:
“Clearly, I am no pro at it and I am not going to pretend to know exactly what all of his shifts and movements meant.” I know some stuff because I took two courses with an independent research group at my school. I’m no expert and neither are you, EVEN IF YOU WERE ON THE DEBATE TEAM WHILE IN COLLEGE. Not to add, you contradicted yourself in that entire paragraph.
“Ben Roethlisberger practiced his speech prior to delivering it”
“He was desperately trying to emphasize it but couldn’t do much of a good job…It was classic case of the nerves. And people who weren’t particularly well prepared or were nervous behaved in such a way”
So he was prepared or wasn’t?
Fourth, just because Ben practiced his speech does not mean he can instantly get rid of the nervous-ticks and micro-signals that have been developed over a lifetime of social interactions. That is silly talk.
I am relaxed. I think you may need to be the one who could use the relaxation.
by John Stephens on Jul 23, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
he practiced his SPEECH as in HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS GOING TO SAY.
but he did not practice his delivery particularly well nor did he do it enough times/have enough experience to be able to get in front OF THE PUBLIC and be COMFORTABLE. hence his NERVOUSNESS.
I know you’re not a pro….but that disclaimer doesnt mean spewing out how you see some sort of nervous tick and reading into every part of his behavior is justified.
As you can see there are people here who took your word for it and that sort of attitude can be very very misleading. Hence, why I called you out on it.
Oh and dude…
for the record, every, and i mean EVERY COLLEGE COURSE has to be verified and accepted by the state EDUCATION board. I dont care if you’re going to a private or public school. I can assure you that every school has to have every one of its majors accepted by state and certified.
And no, there is no single course out there that specifically teaches body language in undergrad at an accredited 4 year school. All other schools, police academies, community colleges, technical schools I can’t answer for.
The list of courses available are very limited at most universities because of endowment and money issues. If a school in the top ten doesnt offer it, chances are no school does.
if a police academy does…well its highly specific so I wouldnt know what they do teach and I wont be surprised if the FBI quantico school teaches it as well…
ya, sorry man….
I have taken at least two college courses that went into body language as it related to lying and specifically human behavior.
sorry
I would assume their are class curriculum specifically dedicated to this subject, and frankly I think you are going to be alone of this.
Agreed that the FBI and other intelligence agencies are going to do their own training but the FBI is not the only agency that deals with intelligence investigation or counter intelligence investigation as your previous post on the “TV Show” clearly shows…his company is a private organization….somebody has to train him right?
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Jul 23, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I still fail to see why you are being a jerk
I think you need to settle down. There is no need to be as heated as you are. But see DYMS’s post. That should clear some of the stuff up for you. Not to add the school I went to has a “make your own major” program. So I could major in balloon science if I wanted to. However, I just took 2 classes as electives, because it sounded really interesting, which it was. You don’t have to believe this, because it won’t change the fact that I actually took the courses.
Anyway, I was expressing what I saw out of my limited experience. And I gave the disclaimer. Who cares if my assessment was accurate or not? Its not like I am pretending to be a doctor and telling people its ok to drink cyanide. No one is making life decisions or changing important issues because of what I said. Good god man, let it go.
by John Stephens on Jul 23, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I majored in text identification
and i can tell that your story could be false. Im no pro at this tho… so i could be wrong
by steelersfan86 on Jul 23, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Agggghhhh!
I was just going to post about the time I taught Hines how to catch the ball so well.
Guess I can’t get away with that now.
by Phantaskippy on Jul 24, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
And nobody cares
Because its just your opinion. I am not going to freak out about it.
by John Stephens on Jul 24, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Here you go, I was wrong:
Someone with obviously more knowledge than myself: http://bit.ly/Wp0WB
by John Stephens on Jul 24, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I was right
That he seemed to lack confidence though. She says the same thing.
by John Stephens on Jul 24, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
dudes are we seriously argueing about body language and if we are he unconciously shook his head while saying “never ever” meaning he was discusted that anyone could think that. god bless ben we still love you, and we know the truth too. send hickwhorebag back to where she belongs
"That’s been our story all year. We’ve got a team that doesn’t blink in the face of adversity. It’s never going to be pretty or perfect, if you will, but they’ve got a great deal of belief in one another. They’ve got a great deal of resolve, and it was put on display. Our defense gets a lot of recognition for what they’re capable of, and rightfully so, but what you saw from our quarterback and our offense at the end of that football game is what they’ve provided for us all year. When we’ve needed it the most, they’ve done it and done it big. That’s a rerun for us."
Mike Tomlin, before superbowl 43
by steelcity7612 on Jul 25, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
My college offered a course on Criminal Communication of which we spent serious time covering body-language.
I believe that a Criminal Justice major is accepted by most of the states in the country (California might be the exception.)
Come to think of it, many non crim-justice majors took that class as an elective as it was different from traditional fare.
"Damnit mom! You almost ran over Greg Lloyd!"
at an autograph signing back in 95. He walked out in front of our minivan, and my mom almost hit him. He apologized.
by PA ARMY OFFICER on Jul 26, 2009 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions
HAHA
You say he wouldn’t know anything based of a college course, then you cite a tv show as reference….lol
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
do you pay attention or do you just misread or misinterpret everything.
I never CITED a tv show. good job with your reading comprehension kiddo.
here ya go, old man
I do know that there is a show out there called lie to me that focuses on stuff like this.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
even if you didnt mean to reference it,
You’re still an idiot.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
DO YOU KNOW HOW DUMB YOU SOUND?
First you copy and paste what I say thinking that I’m referencing it.
Then you stupidly realize your mistake that indeed I did not reference it.
Then you decide to insult me to change the subject because you know how foolish you are.
Good job man, lets see here…why did I mention it.
Oh thats right, if you actually bother to read what I said YOU’LL KNOW THAT I WAS IMPLYING THAT PERHAPS HIS KNOWLEDGE CAME FROM A STUPID SHOW AND NOT SOME SCIENTIFIC BACKGROUND.
instead you decide to take it all out of context.
Well, I’ll go ahead and insult you again….you dont seem to be too bright.
I LIKE TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS!
How about you go here and see what a real expert says on the subject. Funny thing is, its just what he was saying. So I may have misunderstood you’re very loud and horribly written post, but you’re still wrong.
And that makes you an idiot.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
hey
that show lie to me is pretty good.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jul 23, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok
Well if you studied it in college, then I’ll take your word for it. Still I’m not too concerned at the moment. He seemed confident enough in his speaking to me.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jul 23, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I agree.
I still think he is innocent and that he was just really nervous.
by John Stephens on Jul 23, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Ben's Statement:
“I did not sexually assault Andrea McNulty. Saturday was the first that I learned of her accusations. Her false and vicious allegations are an attack on my family and on me. I would never, ever force myself on a woman. I want to fight to protect my family and my reputation. I’m not going to discuss my private life or this civil case in the media. I’ll respond to her outrageous allegations in the appropriate forum. I have an obligation to our fans, to my teammates, to my coaches and everyone in the organization to remain focused on the Pittsburgh Steelers, and I will do that. The allegations against me are reckless and false. As much as I’d like to answer everyone’s questions, I’m going to respect the legal process and I am confident that the truth will prevail. Thank you.”
He warmed up as the statement went on. He turned nervousness into anger. With so much media coverage at the begining of a case, how the heck can they find an objective number of jurors. Not just Ben, but other people get tried by CNN, FOX, and C-Span even before they walk into the courtroom. There is no way any juror can avoid that influence. Scary. Look at us picking his very gesture apart today. The trial has begun.
So...
I shouldn’t watch Nancy Grace anymore? Wait… it’s innocent until proven guilty? That changes everything.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jul 23, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
on the warming up as he went on statement.
The way this is panning out, it would seem that there is not gonna be any real action on this before or during training camp, and I’m willing to bet for the whole season. I am glad that, from what he says, his focus is on the Steelers and football right now. Not to say that I am not concerned whether or not he did or did not do anything illegal, I just wanna watch some decent football
He's never been accused of being smooth in front of the camera
I still think he handled it as well as can be expected. I did feel bad for him though.
VIDEO IS UP GUYS….
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Jul 23, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks DYM
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jul 23, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't read anything into his delivery...
…those were not HIS words. They were his lawyer’s words. He probably told the lawyer what he wanted to say, and the lawyer crafted the statement. That’s how these things work.
Roethlisberger is a quarterback, not an attorney or public speaker. He was out of his element.
The stakes here are enormously high, and there was no room for any deviation from the carefully prepared statement. He clearly had practiced delivering the statement, and he clearly was nervous. Considering the stakes, that’s not surprising.
The only nuances I was able to gain from the statement were that he used her name at the beginning, and then did not deny ever meeting or knowing her. And the claim that he knew nothing of the lawsuit prior to this past weekend would seem to indicate that neither McNulty or her lawyer tried to contact Ben or his attorney or agent about a settlement. I don’t know any of that for certain, but these suppositions may have been inferred by the wording of his statement.
Settelment
I also had the same thought about them not trying to shake Ben down. My sense is that the real case here is against Harra’s. Think about it, there is no way that they can prove Ben did anything. There is no physical evidence to speak off. It’s purely his word against hers. On the other hand if Harra’s did any of the stuff that they are reported doing – e.g. not reporting a complaint, going into her a apartment, making any type of statements about her and Ben, then she might have enough against them.
Her lawyer (who is very used to high profile cases) has requested that the case not be open to media (after making requests to the opposite effect in previous cases). My sense is that he tries to get a settelment from Harra’s and just uses Ben to turn the heat up at the beginning.
Ofcourse I am talking out of my posterior.
by SteelerBuddha on Jul 23, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw Ace Venturea
talk out of his.
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
Interesting point.
If she was going mainly after Ben, why not just say that he assaulted her and then state that she tried to report it but no one listened…without bringing all of the people into the mix as co-defendants. Now that they are co-defendants, they have an incentive to fight tooth and nail about every one of her factual claims (that she tried to report it, etc.). Whereas, if she just named Ben as a defendant, he would have to go out and find these Harrah’s employees to dispute her claims.
As someone else mentioned, even if Ben is completely innocent, Harrah’s could be on the hook for not dealing with an alleged complaint (even if it is false).
Think McNulty is more
John Elway’s type don’t you think?
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
Actually, Eric Cartman's mother....
…was more John Elway’s type.
Saw it on the teleVISION!
To make light of things for a moment...
Think McNulty is more John Elway’s type don’t you think?
You know, Big Ben grew up idolizing John Elway…
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
whats that supposed to mean? and thats not proven who knows if he grew up idolizing John Elway
"That’s been our story all year. We’ve got a team that doesn’t blink in the face of adversity. It’s never going to be pretty or perfect, if you will, but they’ve got a great deal of belief in one another. They’ve got a great deal of resolve, and it was put on display. Our defense gets a lot of recognition for what they’re capable of, and rightfully so, but what you saw from our quarterback and our offense at the end of that football game is what they’ve provided for us all year. When we’ve needed it the most, they’ve done it and done it big. That’s a rerun for us."
Mike Tomlin, before superbowl 43
by steelcity7612 on Jul 25, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
dude are you serious…you sound sillier and sillier. Stop making random points that make no sense. I dont know a single college course out there that teaches body language.
I do know that there is a show out there called lie to me that focuses on stuff like this.
That being said, there were two guys who pioneered your ‘micro signals’ and found out that the facial expressions can be broken down significantly enough to figure out if a person is lying. But it takes a lot of studying and experience to figure out.
I can however say that you are completely wrong about your ‘micro signal’ ballyhoo.
Ben Roethlisberger practiced his speech prior to delivering it and knows the gravity of the situation. He basically wanted to emphasize how serious he was about it. Did you notice his behavior when he said civil case? He was desperately trying to emphasize it but couldn’t do much of a good job…It was classic case of the nerves. I know because WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE I WAS ALSO ON THE DEBATE TEAM. And people who weren’t particularly well prepared or were nervous behaved in such a way.
Relax, the guy just wants to make his point, this is the first time he’s facing the press in such a negative environment.
Stop pretending to know what you’re talking about. No one cares about your awesome classes that focused on ‘micro signals’ and body language. I bet it was a seminar or a sociology course where someone mentioned body language in passing or for half a lecture.
Really…I can’t stand the kind of crap people spew out.
On that note, like one of the above posters…the guys nervous and he’s clearly practiced his speech. not that it looks good enough to have been practiced but his intonement and reaction to the words he said clearly indicate he knew what was coming out of his mouth next. It wasn’t ad libbed. Also the obvious fact he was reading a PREPARED statement.
Furthermore, I’m sure Ben was trying to convey his outrage and anger at what happened, but didn’t do such a good job at ACTING.
If anything, that makes me all the more hopeful that this guy is merely trying to do the best he can about what happened instead of coming out and saying something stupid in case he did rape her.
After Bill clinton did his rambling I did not have sexual relations with that woman crap a lot of ‘experts’ pointed out behavior that indicated he was lying. I’m sure that Ben’s lawyers want to protect him by having him say as little as possible with as little ‘micro-signals’ LOL AT THAT being given out.
what the hell are you trying to say? bens a liar?
"That’s been our story all year. We’ve got a team that doesn’t blink in the face of adversity. It’s never going to be pretty or perfect, if you will, but they’ve got a great deal of belief in one another. They’ve got a great deal of resolve, and it was put on display. Our defense gets a lot of recognition for what they’re capable of, and rightfully so, but what you saw from our quarterback and our offense at the end of that football game is what they’ve provided for us all year. When we’ve needed it the most, they’ve done it and done it big. That’s a rerun for us."
Mike Tomlin, before superbowl 43
by steelcity7612 on Jul 25, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
no actually…
i was saying ben was doing his best under the circumstances, that he was awkward and nervous and that whatever ’sign’s people saw merely reflects this…then someone posts what an ‘expert’ said and she basically agreed with my posts in her own words…
i was also saying that it did seem like he practiced his speech but even that didn’t help.
if anything, his speech shows how upset he is, his lack of acting ability and practice which comes across as brutal honesty…and thats a good thing.
I firmly believe he’s a good guy and did nothing wrong….
worst case against him may be a serious case of misunderstanding between both parties…but i doubt that.
Ben is a great guy.
Babeparilli is a fag.
On to football news
What does this site think about BB ability to compartmentalize this suit & concentrate on football? I think during a game he will be fine but will lack focus during preparation and film study.
That is my major concern
I really don’t think this lawsuit will amount to much. But I am taking comfort in the way he has pulled off the big plays when we needed it most. I think that says something about his fortitude. This is supposed to be the year when he starts as a seasoned QB with 2 SB wins behind him and the confidence that goes with that. This is the year when he really builds on his HOF legacy. I don’t know how this will affect him, but I am hopeful that with Coach T in his corner and a team that will rally around him that this will have the effect of a team that is closer than it’s ever been. I hope he knows that the Steeler Nation is supporting him.
BB is on schedule to be an
ELITE qb that even other fans cannot deny. But in my mind that last increment in improvement comes from cerebral preparation in the film room and the situational recall during game time.ala Manning.
IMO Ben’s intelligence is not much above average and he has to use all the concentration he has for that type of preperation. Becauseof this distraction IMO Ben will be a great fourth quarter QB and just an above average QB the first three Quarters.
Even if he is innocent....
Ben is already getting punished. It won’t matter even if a thorough investigation totally proves him innocent, it has already heavily effected him financially. Good bye endorsements…hello lawyer fees. Expect fans of other teams to bring this up every game until he retires. Expect every time some player is involved in anything remotely similar years later, for Ben to be mentioned as well. I don’t expect this thing to go anywhere since the woman was told that she needs to proceed with legal charges before a civil trial. Adding to this circus is ESPN’s inability to respond to this story with any fashion of journalistic ethics. Instead of responding and reporting to the story for what it was, a possible civil suit being brought against Big Ben, they decided to give the appearance of underhanded favoritism, giving fodder to the notion that they favor certain teams in their coverage. As frustrating as it is, this story will not go away anytime soon, and will overshadow everything the Steelers do. Reminds me of my Ravens’ Superbowl year.
"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace
"
by UMBC Oriole fan on Jul 23, 2009 6:03 PM EDT reply actions
It does have a similar feeling, now that you mention it.
"Damnit mom! You almost ran over Greg Lloyd!"
at an autograph signing back in 95. He walked out in front of our minivan, and my mom almost hit him. He apologized.
by PA ARMY OFFICER on Jul 26, 2009 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions
If he is innocent
it will be a shame that he will be marked by this eternally. That is why he should see this through to the end. Even in the case this is resolved for the defendant we will not likely ever really know 100%. He should not have put himself in this position in the first place.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
Honestly I didn't think his speech was bad
I don’t blame the man for being ticked off as I don’t think he is guilty. It is unfortunate that, yes, people will bring this up over and over again.
I truly think this girl has a lot of holes in her story…see previous posts I won’t repeat my numerous reasons why.
My hope is that he will be able re-evaluate his lifestyle and perhaps what kind of people he lets into his life. What I see is a young man who is very talented, from a small farm town in Ohio. He became extremely successful very quickly, but perhaps he wasn’t the most mature person in handling it-referring to this situation and previous motorcycle accident. You see this over and over with young athletes and movie stars. It almost reminds me of Michael Phelps. And no I am not putting rape and marijuana in the same category. If I thought he did hurt this girl, I wouldn’t be defending him.
by newcastle,pa-gal on Jul 23, 2009 9:51 PM EDT reply actions
i noticed that, too. he looked…um…substantial. and i agree that his body language seemed nervous. but who the heck wouldn’t be nervous in that situation? really?
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by agentorange on Jul 23, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
An article on PFT makes a good point
He never denied having sex with the woman. He just said he never sexually assaulted her. The alleged tape could confirm that she was in the room with big ben for some time, but whether he raped her or not is a completely different story.
Great point.
I am sure Ben had sex with this chick. What I dont understand is someone with the fame and money as Ben, Kobe, etc. why would anyone think that they would have to rape a girl. I am positive these guys have girls throwing themselves at them everywhere they go. If Ben wanted some that night I am positive that he would not have to rape a girl to get it. I am sure there were plenty of girls that would have stood in line.
by stillerfn86 on Jul 24, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
only thing about that is he isn’t being accused of having consensual sex with her…it’s a smart legal move to only deny and talk about what you are being charged for.
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by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Jul 24, 2009 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Ben's Body Language
For all those of you talking about the “signs” that Ben was showing up there in the thread, check this out:
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2009/7/24/961235/body-language-expert-says
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Interesting.
I guess all of the material I’ve read regarding lie detection (admittedly not that much) is that lying and neverousness can easily be confounded. I mean that was essentially the problem with lie detectors in court. While it’s true that most people that are lying are nervous, not all people that are nervous are lying. I guess there have been some advances in picking up on micro-movements (like the video shows), but I’m not sure how reliable that stuff is.
So I’d say there’s no way anyone could claim, based on body language, etc., that Ben was lying in a pressure filled situation like that press conference.
Nervous
Well, the way I think about it is that he would have sounded a lot better had he been up there just speaking his mind and using his own words to make the statement. However, since it is a legal matter, he had a prepared statement (not just an outline or notes). Any time you write out exactly what you want to say and try to say it verbatim, it’s going to sound choppy. Especially when you try to make eye contact at various points and don’t just read it directly off the page. Add to that the fact that any deviation in this situation could have legal reprecussions (which likely caused him to doublecheck what was written for fear of error). And that it was a huge media ordeal.
All of which adds up to make the statement look less smooth than it could have.
Ben turned into Stevie Steeler that night in Lake Tahoe.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
lol
He should have just killed her. Then after he got away with it, he could play for the Ravens
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Yeah.
and Steelers. 3 games you will be loosing this year…
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Lol. Tell me why the Chiefs can beat the Ravens? Jamal Charles? Davard Darling? Lol.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Come on over to arrowhead pride.
We already have a thread for the week one matchup.
Plenty of people to talk about it there =]
Besides I know you like hoping around to other blogs.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
When he started moving his hands he looked like the mechanical gorilla playing the piano at Chuckie Cheese.
He did. I think he can forget about an acting career now that his football career is over. Maybe Vick can get him a job doing construction at $10 an hour.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
Good point. Like Bobbit, Ben is getting his cut off too. Only question is whether she will toss it out the window as she drives away.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
???
He’s only 27, yet he has 2 legitimate SB titles, why is his football career over?
Ahhhh, because he is a rapist? Just taking a wild guess here.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
I think Ben’s QB rating is higher than your IQ…although that is not saying much at all for Ben.
by John Stephens on Jul 24, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Gee,
his Passer Rating is over 139….. impressive.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
I’d bet money your IQ is not a lick above 90.
by John Stephens on Jul 24, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
We was playing the banjo
in the movie “Deliverance”
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
LOL, you definitely had it right the first time.
Apparently, a Freudian Slip, Or perhaps divine intervention……..
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
Nice try
Ironic how your response wavers in schools of thought.
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
You would lose your money. But I’m sure that happens often anyway.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
No I wouldn't.
But any delusions you want to make for yourself you can continue to do so (not like you haven’t done that on ever post you’ve made here).
I feel bad for you, they don’t even like you on the Pats blog.
by John Stephens on Jul 24, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, the truth isn’t very popular with football fans in general.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
What's your proof that Ben did what McNulty alleges?
Let’s see if you’re man enough to answer this, or if you run away.
The video.
Watching Ben on his denial video, it appears……
He doesn’t like getting raped back one bit!!!!
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
Wow, I had originally been following this post to get links to the latest news
but I see it has degenerated into a pit of name-calling and conclusion-jumping the likes of which you’d never see in person but only see when trolls can hide in the relative anonymity of Mom’s basement behind miles of fiberoptic cable and obscure login names.
I hope for the sake of the entire NFL, including Big Ben, that this legal action gets resolved quickly and that they can find an impartial jury.
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
Wow,
you don’t think people should be able to express an opinion on these dastardly matters? That’s rather repressive of you sir, is it not?
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
You're entitled to your own opinion...
…but I’m just curious as to whether it is sensible or whether it is just based on hate/jealousy of the Steelers and Roethlisberger. So what’s your answer to the question? What is the evidence or proof behind your belief that Ben is guilty?
The case
filed with the court appears to be credible. The depth of the detail and the way the contentions fit together are typical of successful suits. The burden of proof is merely to show it is “more likely than not” that he raped her (in a civil case).
I find her case more compelling than his, which to this point is basically, “I didn’t do it”.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
you sound really stupid.
I mean really you do sound like someone trying really really really hard to come across as legally knowledgeable. but the sad fact is you come across very ignorant.
So because a case is filed with the court it is credible? Thats what your first sentence says. Do you know how many FRIVOLOUS lawsuits are made every single DAY? Thousands. THOUSANDS. Judges and courtrooms throw out nearly 80% of cases. of the cases that go to trial only TEN PERCENT ever go to TRIAL.
You sound more and more like an idiot guy who gets his news from watching tv shows and reads the papers assuming that whatever the press spews out must be true.
Let me guess how you think “OH NO its on the news it must be true, the must be making complete sense. let me not use sound judgement to figure out if they’re right”
And we wonder how crap news comes to light. Its because of people like you.
On top of it, you claim because ITS IN DETAIL that it MUST BE TRUE? Are you serious?
THIS WAS WRITTEN UP BY A LAWYER. a HIGH PROFILE lawyer WITH KNOWLEDGE OF THE LAW. Almost all cases are written LIKE THAT. To ensure that they COVER THEIR BASES.
Just because they write everything in detail DOES NOT MEAN ITS TRUE. Thats one of the dumbest arguments I’ve ever heard.
and you just ARGUED AGAINST YOURSELF. by making the last claim about it being a civil case. when Kobe Bryant wen to trial HE ACTUALLY DID GET ARRESTED FOR RAPE AND DID GO TO CRIMINAL TRIAL. The only reason it did not go to trial was because the defendant refused to testify. She actually had a complaint she believed could stand the test of trial.
LETS STEP BACK A MINUTE. And ASSUME you are right about how, because the case is SOOOO DETAILED IT MUST BE TRUE. If thats the case, and again this is based off YOUR ASSUMPTIONS, then why, if its so compelling would she not just take the risk of going to criminal trial which has HIGHER burden of proof?
Shutup man, noone her respects you.
I could care less
if a collection of disingenuous football clowns respect me or not.
Don’t get it messed up. I didn’t say “because a case is filed with the court it is credible”.
I said the case that was filed with the court was credible. Did you cheat on the english part of the GED test, because your comprehension skills are apparently minimal?
You’re dreaming if you think this case is going to be thrown out as frivolous. Even Benny didn’t say it was frivolous.
In a rape case the consistency of the detail of the victim’s story is considered to lend credibility to the contention.
The Kobe criminal case was compromised because the idiotic officials exposed her identity. There wasn’t much in it for her to get dragged through the muck by testifying after they blew it.
Due to your apparent inability to grasp simple concepts you obviously don’t understand that she does not need to prove it true in a civil case. She only needs to prove it is more likely true than not true.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
by BabeParilli on Jul 24, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you should be honest with yourself
I’m interested to hear your definition of “credible”. The way you use it in reference to McNulty’s claim, it doesn’t seem to mean anything more than “it is possible that it could have happened this way.” IMO, credibility is something more than that. Credible testimony is testimony that you have more reason to believe than not. I ask you, what has ever taken place, that makes Ben less likely to be telling the truth than McNulty? What makes Ben less credible than McNulty? He doesn’t have a criminal history with this kind of conduct or conduct that involves dishonesty (theft, etc). So why is his testimony any less credible than hers?
You seem to find fault with his statement that he didn’t do it, I’ll agree it is shorter than her complaint and therefore less detailed, but there’s no denying it is a clear and absolute assertion that he didn’t assault her. Articulate why this is not credible. In other words, explain why there is less reason to believe him than to believe McNulty’s claims.
Here’s where I think you should be honest with yourself. Even before McNulty ever came around, you already didn’t like Ben. Right? You’re a pats fan, Ben and the Steelers are a rival of the team you cheer for. That’s fine. You don’t have to like him. Then McNulty comes around with this claim and that makes you happy. It makes you happy because its going to mean trouble for this rival player even if it turns out he didn’t do it. Fine. My point is, you are not predisposed to be neutral here. You already had a negative view of Ben, and so in the face of claims that he behaved improperly, even illegally, you are already inclined to believe it. I think that’s the overwhelmingly likely reason that you find her complaint “credible”, i.e., it alleges behavior that you were already predisposed to believe Ben is capable of. No?
Here’s the question you need to ask yourself. If some woman filed a substantially identical civil complaint against Matt Light (but local prosecutors have indicated they decline to file criminal charges), and Matt’s official response is that he didn’t do it, are you really going to tell me that you’re going to conclude he’s guilty? I think your lying to yourself if you say yes. Let’s be real here. Your going to believe Matt, hell, there’s no real evidence against him except the woman’s word. Why should he be thought of as guilty?
Tell me this isn’t true.
BabeParilli,
you don’t think people should be able to express an opinion on these dastardly matters? That’s rather repressive of you sir, is it not?
I never tried repressing your opinions. I am stating my opinion. Odd that you read “repression” into my comment that your comments are crass and baseless.
To each his own.
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
I asked a question.
That is not necessarily reading anything into something.
Neither did I see you make comment that my comments were crass and baseless, until now.
Please, don’t be passive-aggressive, if you want to express yourself……. feel free.
Perhaps you would kindly explain how my comments are any more crass than those to which I was replying. And an explanation as to how my comments may be baseless would be swell too.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
by BabeParilli on Jul 24, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Crass:
Watching Ben on his denial video, it appears……
He doesn’t like getting raped back one bit!!!!
Baseless:
Yeah, the truth isn’t very popular with football fans in general.
Ahhhh, because he is a rapist?
Plenty more to choose from, but you wrote them yourself, so you should know. I didn’t say your comments were more or less crass than some of the other ones (some of which are just plain awful), but i replied to you in particular because you expressed that you thought I was being repressive. I don’t think I have enough power to be repressive of anybody’s free speech, lol!
Again, I hope this civil case comes to a swift and just end, with an impartial and competent jury.
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
Your example
of crass is certainly not crass. It is entirely appropriate. But to each his own definition of crass.
And the truth being unpopular with football fans is obvious since about 90% of them kid themselves. For instance, most stealer fans don’t want to hear how this case only requires it to be more likely that he did rape her than he didn’t. That truth messes up the fantasy so it is discarded.
I agree about justice being done. And to me if he settles out of court it is an admission of guilt.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
Not sure where all of this came from
Babe, are you one of the 10% that doesn’t kid himself about the truth?
“Most stealer fans don’t want to hear how this case only requires it to be more likely that he did rape than he didn’t.” Huh? I haven’t seen anyone who’s had a problem with this. I sure don’t. This is the universally acknowledged evidentiary standard in most civil claims, including this one. Name me one person who’s been bashing their head against the wall arguing that this is will not be the burden of proof at trial.
“If he settles out of court it will be an admission of guilt.” Here’s a hypothetical scenario for you. Your nextdoor neighbor files a lawsuit against you claiming vile things that are absolutely false. After consulting with your attorney, you determine that it will likely cost $50,000 in legal fees through the end of trial. Your attorney makes it clear that the payment of $50,000 does not guarantee you a winning result, no sir, that’s just the amount it will take to cover his fees, but he thinks you have a good chance of winning. Then you discover that your neighbor is willing to settle the matter for $1,500, which would include a release form acknowledgement that payment of the $1,500 is not an admission of guilt, it is just to bring the matter to a close.
What are you going to do? Remember, you seem to be saying that you are one of the 10% of NFL fans that doesn’t kid himself about the truth.
I must say....
from what I have seen, the large majority of stealer fans, and all those who seem to take Ben’s side on this, keep saying he has to be PROVEN guilty. This is my observation from many sites, not just this one. But in a civil case it does not need to be proven at all. A jury will be asked to choose which side is more correct in their claim. The jury will not be asked to choose who proves their claim.
Here’s one example of bashing their head against a wall for you.
From Steeler_, “But under law Big Ben is entitled to innocent until proven guilty”.
As far as your money supposition….. Your example is not pertinent to me. I am not a public figure and therefore have a different set of values in this regard than a mediocre NFL quarterback would have. While to me it may be worth having folks see me as guilty to save money, for the public figure it may not. And your numbers seem exaggerated as far as what a settlement would be verses the legal fees.
So, what would I do (assuming I was innocent)? I, the non public figure, would give the $1500. As the famous player I would proceed with the case.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
Are you sure Steeler is wrong? McNulty is the plaintiff, she has the burden of proof, at trial she will have to prove that Ben is guilty or liable under a preponderance of the evidence standard. If Steeler had said Ben has to be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt then would clearly be wrong, but somehow I don’t think he was saying that.
As for the hypothetical, you clearly understand the idea that it can make sense to pay to settle a claim even if you know you didn’t do it. I’d pay the $1,500, too. What I don’t get is why you think a public figure can’t employ the same reasoning to resolve a civil claim. Sure, they’ve got more money then you or I, but if the stakes are correspondingly higher, maybe even vastly higher, then why should we preclude the sensibility of settlement?
Consider that at the close of trial McNulty could ask the jury to award her, say, $50 million against Ben. I think it’s unlikely the jury would do it, I don’t think her evidence is good enough to justify an award in the first place, but in the end who can say for sure what the jury will do? Cornwell will warn Ben it is unlikely but still possible that he could lose, he’d be a fool not to (I doubt Cornwell’s a fool). If, against all expectation, the jury came back with an award for McNulty, then who knows what number they would attach to it? And any award would be in addition to the cost of getting through trial (I highly suspect that figure will be well in excess of $50K).
Given all of that, if Ben finds out that McNulty would resolve the case for a small fraction of the potential figure then how is it reasonable to crucify him for opting to settle? Why is it fair to immediately assume guilt? In the end, I think you’re holding Ben to a standard that you would not apply to a Patriots player under the same circumstances. No?
It is not a case of guilt or innocence in a civil case. The jury either finds for the plaintiff or finds for the defense. To use the terms guilt or innocence regarding this matter shows a perception that the burden of proof is that of a criminal proceeding.
As I said, it is important for a public figure to be as exonerated as possible in a matter like this. Having the jury decide for the defense is the best outcome to address that for BR. A settlement will be seen as guilt by a great many people. Is that fair? Maybe.
I’m not that sympathetic to Patriot players that get into a pickle.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
I’ll grant you there are some public figures that might face additional pressure to avoid settlement. I’m thinking of religious leaders, candidates for public office, and others that can’t afford even the slightest indication of wrongdoing because of the nature of their employment/calling. But a public figure like a movie star or pro athlete? I just don’t buy it. Morally, why is it any more important for them to be exonerated through trial than any one of us? I can’t think of a single reason for this. Even you seem to admit that it may not be fair for people to assume guilt where there is a settlement. And in the hypothetical, I’m sure you wouldn’t appreciate someone who ragged on you for being guilty just because you paid $1,500 to settle the claim you knew not to be true.
“I’m not that sympathetic to Patriot players that get into a pickle.” This is vague. So are you saying if Matt Light was in a substantially identical situation that you would conclude he is guilty based on the woman’s complaint?
Or rather, would you conclude that Matt Light is more likely than not to have done what the woman claims based on the allegations in the complaint?
I'm glad you chose Matt.
I would believe Light is a rapist even if no woman accused him of it!
You picked the one Patriot I loathe. And I loathed him before he was turned into a boy soprano by the Giant’s D-line.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
by BabeParilli on Jul 25, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to take you at your word...
…because you’ve claimed to be honest, essentially one of the 10% of fans that doesn’t kid himself about the truth.
Taking you at your word, I believe you’ve really hurt your own credibility as far as this claim against Ben.
Based on this response of yours, isn’t it reasonable for me to conclude that, if a player you dislike is accused of a vile act, you will automatically assume that player did, in fact, commit the act? Because of your dislike for him?
In your own words, you “loathe” Light. Apparently this dislike is so intense that you already believe Light is a rapist, or would believe he is a rapist, even without a person to accuse him.
Well, I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that you also hated Ben even before McNulty came along. Actually, I don’t have to guess, I’ve seen your proclamations of hate for the Steelers and their fans. Your posts are full of cheap shots and other examples of your hate for them. It stands to reason that, if you already would have believed such vile things of Ben without even the need for accusation, then it is a given that upon an actual accusation being made you will automatically believe it, regardless of any favorable evidence Ben might have, regardless of whatever weaknesses there might be in the accuser’s claim. Do you disagree with this? Once again, I don’t think you would disagree with this if you are being honest with yourself.
So how would this perspective of yours affect your credibility regarding this claim against Ben? Do people have any basis to trust that your opinions on this matter are objective? How much credibility should people impute to your proclamations that Ben really did what McNulty accuses him of?
Please.
Do you really think a stealer fan is going to find any fault with their hero? If she had a tape of him raping her stealer fans would spin it as somehow a misunderstanding. “Hey, look at the tape guys! I think Ben had some water in his ear and couldn’t hear her!”. He’s innocent!".
That’s what they do with everything. NO FANS, not even Colt fans, live in the fantasy world stealer fans live in.
I was exaggerating about Matt Light to emphasize my disappointment in him. But, whatever.
You feign interest in reasonable discussion, but your only interest is to further your agenda that Ben is awesome, on and off the field.
You QB is an accused rapist. No other fan of any NFL team can say that. That is reality. Congratulations. Be proud. Refute that!
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
Frustrated, eh?
Ha ha, hey, you dug this hole for yourself, not me.
“Do you really think a Stealer fan is going to find fault with their hero?” I tell you what, I’m not just going to assume he did it. I’m not going to automatically believe the victim when (1) so far we only have her word for it, and (2) the purpose of the claim is financial benefit. This isn’t unfair on my part, under the law she has the burden of proof, if her evidence is not more compelling than Ben’s then she won’t win.
You, on the other hand, believe her immediately, but you’ve shown all by yourself that your belief would be based in hate, your belief has no objective value, it is devoid of a credible basis. And that’s fine, you can believe what you want for the reasons you want, or for no reasons at all, but you shouldn’t be surprised when you take your beliefs public and people start disagreeing with you, even other pats fans. I mean, wow. Someone doesn’t share your belief and you respond with namecalling and personal attacks. Actually, you were already doing that before anybody even really disagreed with you. Nice.
If Ben really did do it, I’m all for him being punished just like anybody else in his situation. I’ll feel sad and disappointed, but there’s no way he should be allowed to skate. Do you really believe that all of us Steeler fans would try to protect him from any real punishment if it was shown that he really did assault this woman? Your hate is so strong it makes you illogical and prone to ridiculous generalizations.
Why not try for some empathy? I mean, sheesh, its abundantly clear that you wouldn’t immediately conclude a Pats player did it if a woman made the same claim against him. You don’t even deny it. And yet you expect Steeler fans to react this way? Are you kidding me? Your behavior is daaaangerously close to a word that starts with "h’, ends with “y”, and in the middle is “ypocris”.
“Your only interest is in further your agenda that Ben is awesome.” Wow, I’ve hardly said a word about Ben the player (just that brief quip about his won-loss record with SB titles). I actually told you I’d be holding off on a real Ben v. Brady discussion till later. Mostly, I’ve been asking you about your beliefs and the basis for those beliefs. And that’s where you’ve run into trouble.
“Your QB is an accused rapist. That is reality. Refute that!” Ahhh, finally something I agree with. This is completely true, no dispute. He is accused. But he hasn’t yet been found by anyone, not by a jury or a court, to have done what he’s accused of. The only one who’s running around these posts claiming Ben’s a rapist, is losing his career, etc., as though he’s already been found to have done it, is you.
Don’t take this the wrong way but…I’m glad you’re not a Steeler fan. You’d embarass us more than Ben ever could.
I have an idea.
If we stick a small windmill in front of your yap we will solve the energy crisis!!!
I would take the same tack with a Patriot player.
There is no Ben v. Brady discussion. The fact you think there is shows you reside in stealer fantasy land with the rest.
Who have I called names and made personal attacks against that didn’t throw the first punch?
“Don’t take this the wrong way but…I’m glad you’re not a Steeler fan. You’d embarass us more than Ben ever could.”
More passive/aggressive crap from you. And you have the stone to talk about me attacking people. You’re not fooling anybody with this.
There is no shortage of folks out there in internet posting land saying they believe he did it. And the vast majority of those out there saying he didn’t are stealer fans.
I’m not in any kind of a hole I dug. I’m just in enemy territory.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
honestly
I wish this were a bar and not a blog. This would be so much easier if i could just punch you in the mouth.
You sound like the type of person who has been punched in the mouth a fair amount of times.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Figures,
a fan of a cheap-shot team would resort to that. But you might find you bit off more than you can chew with it.
No, I haven’t been on the receiving end of much violence. Most decent people understand there is a line between expressing an opinion about football and violence. It appears you don’t.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
I'm all for solving the energy crisis...
…but I think you’ve been just as vocal in your desire to “crucify” Ben (your word).
You actually don’t think you engage in namecalling? I think you do whenever you call Ben a rapist, or Rapistburger, or Rottenburger, or refer to Pittsburgh’s team as the Stealers. Sure, they don’t post here, but, why should that be any less offensive to the people on this blog? I mean, really, what’s the purpose of a rule against namecalling on a website in the first place? I’m guessing it is to keep things as civil, non-offensive, and non-insulting as possible. So what are your intentions when you go to a Pittsburgh Steelers blog and start using these terms? Exactly what are kind of reaction are you looking for?
Insofar as its important to you to convince people that Ben did what he’s accused of (and this seems very, very important to you), I’d say you are in a hole. One that you dug all by yourself. You actually think you’re a credibly voice on this issue? Here’s the “evidence” that you are not (ha ha, evidence):
-You have a deep hate for the Steelers
-You already thought Ben was a low-life scum before McNulty ever came around
-You admit your own tendency to automatically believe bad things you hear about people you dislike
-You illustrate this tendency by going to teams’ blogs calling him Ben a “rapist” when all that’s really happened is the claim has been filed and filed and Ben has responded.
-You’ve actually been kicked off one board for your ideas and for dishonesty, and it wasn’t even the Steelers board.
-Even other pats fans have expressed discomfort with your position and have asked you to tone it down.
Do you really expect anybody thinks you’re been objective about this whole thing? Do you, yourself, actually believe you’ve been objective about this claim against Ben? You don’t think you’ve gone just a leeeetle overboard with this? Cmon, Babe. Maybe, just maybe, it’s not the entirety of Steeler nation that’s living in a fantasy.
I have expressed
an opinion that he did it. I have expressed that the suit filed with the court has credibility in my view. I have given reasons why I hold these opinions. Some agree, some don’t. I don’t see that as going overboard.
Calling a football team something and calling posters something are two different things. That is obvious.
I don’t see anybody taking issue with the many who call the alleged victim a liar.
My banning by shake n bake is the most gross abuse of authority by a moderator I have ever seen. I was not dishonest in the slightest.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
You give yourself way too little credit
Sorry, Babe, you’re too modest. “All I’ve done is express an opinion…some agree, some don’t.” I disagree. I say you’ve been doing a lot more than that. Your message is not some kind of “here’s what I think, live and let live” deal. Yours is, “Your QB is a dirtbag rapist, Stealer fans, how do you like it? Rapistburger is finished, your boy is toast!” And then if a Steeler fan disagrees with you, you say that he and everybody else who cheers for the Steelers lives in a fantasy land.
Your own characterization of your actions is a drastic minimization what you’ve been trying to do on this and other boards. The reactions you’ve been getting on every single board (where I see that you aren’t really supported by anybody else, even on the Pats board) strongly suggest to me that others feel like you lack in credibility, as well.
And you continue this evasiveness with the shoe-on-the-other-foot scenario, your latest statement being that you would “take a similar tack with a Patriots player.” Again, what does that mean? Straight out: If a Pats player that you like were in a substantially identical situation, would you conclude, just like you have with Ben, that the Pats player probably did what the woman was accusing him of?
I would say
I would react the same if it were a Patriot player. I don’t drink the kool-aide.
The reactions I have been getting range from your less vicious conversation to people wanting to do me bodily harm.
Yet the poll on Pat’s Pulpit is about 50/50. For those who hold the opinion he is guilty it seems not worth discussing it.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
“There is no Ben v. Brady discussion.”
Nice. You talk so much about freedom of expression and ideas. And then when I say I’ll debate this with you later, and I do this without saying anything intrinsically offensive to Brady (not calling him or his team any names, etc.), you immediately move to shut me down saying there can be no debate about this, the answer is clear, and if I don’t accept this then I’m living in a dreamworld.
Once again, daaaangerously close to a word that begins with “h”, ends with “y”, and in the middle is “ypocris”.
Express yourself
all you like.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
But if I were to express myself by offering up an argument for Ben in a Ben v. Brady debate, would that mean that I am living in a fantasy land?
It might.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
Start
again on the left.
I await with bated breath.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
I've been thinking about this...
…and I’m going to have to see where you’re coming from first.
Is your proposed topic that Brady is a better QB than Ben right now? I’d actually agree that he is, you wouldn’t see a dispute from me. Right now, Brady is a better QB. About the farthest I’d go with a “single point in time” argument is that Ben’s talents might make him the best QB for Pittsburgh right now. I’m referring to his mobility, ability to break tackles, and propensity for making plays on the run, I feel like these are absolutely necessary (well, at least very helpful) to avoid getting killed behind Pittsburgh’s crappy O-line. But even if Brady isn’t known for these particular talents, he’s better than Ben right now in a lot of other things like reading defenses, avoiding turnovers, going through his progressions, etc (just minor things like that).
What I do think is that Ben is a better QB at this point in his career than Brady was at the same point. That is to say, Ben is a better QB five years into his career (and his body of work shows this) than Brady was at the five year mark (or thereabouts, maybe even six years or a little longer). What are your thoughts here? Is this something you disagree with and would be willing to argue? Or would you concede this point?
I would argue
Brady was better over the first 5 years he played.
Let’s have at it.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
by BabeParilli on Jul 28, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
and
The same point will be after PLAYING 5 seasons. I’m not going to let you slip in a non playing year for Brady and try to be devious here ;).
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
by BabeParilli on Jul 28, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
PS
Ben’s the winningest QB over the first five years ever, better than Brady, Montana, anybody. How’s that make him a mediocre QB?
The stealers
have been a top 3 defense for 4 of those 5 years. That goes very far in determining his wins and losses. He was the 24th rated passer last year. He was the 21st rated passer in 2006. He has had one good year where he actually threw the ball a comparable number of times to other starters. That’s pretty mediocre.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
Bit of a technicality there.
Brady sat the bench his first year in the NFL.
When he started actually playing in his second year he won 58 (58-20) games compared to BR’s 51 (51-20) over 5 years.
Reality is so nice, isn’t it?
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
(Whistle sounds)
“False start! New England Patriots, on Babeparilli! Five yards, repeat 4th down and 35 to go against Pittsburgh!”
let me edit one of my comments.
I meant to say, KOBE WAS GOING TO BE TRIED CRIMINALLY BUT THE ONLY REASON IT DID NOT GO TO TRIAL WAS BECAUSE SHE REFUSED TO TESTIFY.
And
she refused to testify because the moron officials let her name out. Her identity was supposed to be kept secret in a rape case. She was getting death threats. Why go through the humiliation of testifying after they blew it?
In a civil suit the plaintiff must identify themselves. Since the cat was out of the bag, she might as well have gone forward with that. He paid, he’s guilty.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
Wow....how stupid are you?
GED? Before we even go further…I’ll disclose a little bit about myself. You dont have to believe me.
I graduated from USC with a 3.8. SAT: 1520/1600(pre 2400 SAT)
I was state ranked in debate.
I ended up at a top 10 academic research school. Graduated with a 3.6. I’m headed to a top thirty medical school.
Want to talk about big swinging d!cks? don’t even compete.
Don’t even start to compare yourself with me. BabeParilli? What are you like 80 years old? You like old guys? great, we’re all for it. I’ll bet you wish football was how it was waaaaaaaay back in the day. Want to insult my intelligence? Maybe I’ll insult yours. what do you do for a living?
You’re not even in the education and income bracket I’m in.
I’ll be a real jerk if I want to and I try really hard not to bring education into the matter. You’re an idiot because of the way you carry yourself around here.
YOU DONT CARE ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM SAY?
THEN WHY DO YOU EVEN POST HERE. the only reason you do it is to inflame everyone here. People post here to exchange information, not make blatantly stupid comments designed to piss people off.
Fine, i read your crappy post in a hurry and misread it. BUT DONT MISREAD THE ENTIRE POINT OF WHAT I’M SAYING.
my point was that if as YOU BELIEVE her case is SO WELL MADE AND SO TRUE then she might as well have gone for the FULL CHARGE and gotten REAL justice and gone to CRIMINAL trial where if SHE IS INDEED CORRECT THEN SHE SHOULD BE CONFIDENT TO WIN HER CASE.
Instead she didn’t bother. If you actually read what I posted about how she has made a lot of holes in her case then you would see that I ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT.
instead you just go off on tangents about this and that making no sense other than making bleating your chest so that you can get some attention.
Go back to your nursing home old man. You’re easily over 50 years age, wishing for that ollld times when football was with leather helmets and everyone was a good ol boy.
You're right.
I don’t believe you.
If you are headed to med school, we are all seriously f***ed!
So, people over 50 are somehow lacking in your eyes? Do you practice race discrimination too?
I never said her case as “SO TRUE”. I said it was a credible case for proving the allegations are more likely true than not.
Hey, dood, don’t shoot the messenger just because the message is, YOUR QB IS A SICK F***!!!
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
by BabeParilli on Jul 24, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
race discrimination? LOL…I’m not white…but I guess I could be racist against whites…oh wait, I’m defending Big Ben………OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SNAP.
yes I am headed to med school.
No, you’re F****. because you’re stupid.
No, your age does matter in that it lends credibility to how I initially felt that you were someone most likely out of touch with today and reality. it shows how out of touch you are with the world, life, and football today. Your posts are getting meaningless by the minute. The same goes for mine. Everytime I reply to you a little part of my soul dies. This is the last time I will respond to you.
haha, first you insist on how true it must be, now you take a step back and insist on how credible her case is.
Whatever man, I still don’t get why you post here. You dont care for what others say, you only care to insult and incite people and you’ve clearly said you dont care what all of us here think.
That in and of itself says a lot about who you are and why you are trolling this site. Indeed, you fit the exact defintion of an Internet Troll. You don’t really need to post here. We all have heard your screams of how Ben is guilty and a rapist. Which you have said.
That being said, unless you have something interesting to say you really are wasting our and your time.
Why are you spending so much time trying to offend everyone here?
The truth is sometimes offensive.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
by BabeParilli on Jul 24, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Dear BabeParilli
I’m coming back here because I realized something.
You’re gay.
You also most likely just lost his job working as a janitor. And all of that upsets you. I can understand. I feel bad for you. I wish I had the money to help you out. Unfortuantely I’m in debt for college. So I can’t.
its ok though.
The truth is sometimes offensive.
You said
I’m not even in the same income bracket as you, but now you say you’re a debtor. Lie much?
Sorry, I’m not gay. If you’re looking for some action, look elsewhere. It shouldn’t be too hard for you to find some love here. Most stealer fans are gay, aren’t they?
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
I know, I know....
Posting on a board is tough for you future brain surgeons. No problem, I understand.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
by BabeParilli on Jul 25, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't believe that I read through all of this crap.
BabeParilli is a troll. Quite a fiesty and misguided troll, but a troll nonetheless. Trolls are best left ignored, if they are given the attention they seek, then they will keep coming back for more.
surag238 you really should stop talking now. You have spoken about your freaking debate team in at least three comments during this thread, and you have gone to “You’re gay” twice.
How many times did you win a collegiate debate with “You’re gay”?
"Damnit mom! You almost ran over Greg Lloyd!"
at an autograph signing back in 95. He walked out in front of our minivan, and my mom almost hit him. He apologized.
by PA ARMY OFFICER on Jul 26, 2009 8:19 AM EDT reply actions
The obviously
superb debating skills he has displayed here lend credibility to his claim of being state ranked as a debater.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
Most
football fans believe anybody who disagrees with their take on things is a troll.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
Some may believe that, but I doubt most do.
I personally believe that disagreeing is fine. Mr. Malor may be snarky at time, but he still agrees or disagrees based off of facts alone. This makes him not a troll.
In your case you disagree based off of an attempt to get people riled up only. This is being a troll.
You pick every lame arguement (Age discrimination, Matt Light the rapist, etc) and use it in a passive-agressive nature, and then chastise others for being passive agressive. This is also being a troll, not to mention a hypocrite.
Disagree all you want. Keep it respectful and you are not necessarily a troll. When someone gets “passive-agressive” and you use thier “passive-agressiveness” to either launch into such behavior yourself, or to ultimately end up agressive you are even worse than a troll, you are a troll in sheep’s clothing.
Agressivness as a method of “expressing one’s self” is still trollish behavior given the forum. When Tom Brady went down last year I’d say that every decent and normal Steelers fan from this blog did not go on the Pat’s page and start shit.
There may have been some who did head over to gloat, but if they did then they were behaving as trolls, just like you and are worthy of nothing but ridicule, disrespect, and ultimately banning from the site moderator.
>>>Realizes that I just failed to heed my own advice and ignore the troll<<<
>>>Stops caring<<<
"Damnit mom! You almost ran over Greg Lloyd!"
at an autograph signing back in 95. He walked out in front of our minivan, and my mom almost hit him. He apologized.
by PA ARMY OFFICER on Jul 27, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
It figures
you would resort to calling for a banning. Few stealer fans can swallow the castor oil of truth well. Of course saying anything that is against the kool-aide drinking stealer fantasy is being a troll. It’s all part of the fantasy.
But hey, I’ll mark you down as not wanting to partake in further debate. Though calling your posts with me debate is a big stretch since the only thing you have talked about in those posts is me. Who exactly is the troll sir?
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
haha….i apologize PA army…i want to make 2 points.
1. I mentioned debate twice…the other time was because I copied and pasted my comments…because it didn’t post properly(or so I thought).
2. I mentioned gay several times against babe parilli because of how irritating he has become to me. I was stooping to a low level to vent out my frustration. Not something i’m proud of.
3. for that I apologize…I just can’t stand this loser.
I can see
why you think ill of me.
The truth is like a splash of Holy Water searing into your wretched evil stealer fan soul.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
Just a heads up,
oh future brain surgeon. That’s 3 points, not two.
"Tonight, a dynasty is born" - Ricky Proehl
"Let them hate so long as they fear" - Caligula
I have decided to ignore the troll surag.
I tell my children when dealing with people like this that they have two choices:
1. Ignore them, eventually they will lose the fun of stirring the pot when no one cares.
2. Punch them in the face, but realize that there are serious consequences for such actions, such as suspensions, groundings from me, and perhaps legal trouble.
Since we cannot punch trolls in the face, I have decided to ignore him.
"Damnit mom! You almost ran over Greg Lloyd!"
at an autograph signing back in 95. He walked out in front of our minivan, and my mom almost hit him. He apologized.
by PA ARMY OFFICER on Jul 28, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions
what the hell…i’ve done nothing wrong and you’re going to insult me when parilli has been a jerk all this time…this is ridiculous.
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