BTSC Steelers Daily Six Pack- Comeback Victories Edition

by drinkyourmilkshake on Aug 11, 2009 11:33 AM EDT Comment 32 comments

IX-Many times on Behind the Steel Curtain we have tried to discuss the fourth quarter and game winning drive statistic that is occasionally thrown around by broadcasters during NFL games. Frequently the debate goes along and then we realize that their is basically nobody that keeps a complete record of that stat throughout the NFL. Pro Football Reference has really done a great job of breaking down these stats for the top game winning drive quarterbacks. Part I discusses why some of the stats that are generally printed for John Elway and Dan Marino are misleading and Part II really delves deep into how they have chosen to tabulate the stats and also shows what a great pace Ben Roethlisberger is on in terms of game winning drives and fourth quarter comebacks.

X-The Pittsburgh Tribune Review's John Harris wrote an article on "The Best Right Tackle in the NFL", Willie Colon. It seems like from this report that Willie Colon is going to make enough money next season either from the Pittsburgh Steelers or the another team to change his last name.

XIII-Another debate that happened frequently this offseason in the BTSC community is whether or not it would be possible for Charlie Batch to be hired as a coach and then if a rash of injuries sprung up for them to activate him to the roster. Well the answer has been given by the Philadelphia Eagles who activated their 31 year old "coaching intern" and quarterback Matt Nagy after back-up quarterback Kevin Kolb went down with an injury. The problem is some league sources are complaining about the addition of Nagy, since it exposes the fact that the Eagles essentially had an extra man on their 81 man roster, especially since their are rumors that Nagy has been throwing passes in practice along with attending all team meetings.

[UPDATE]: The contract of Matt Nagy has been rejected by the league. It's still not 100% clear on the reasoning.

XIV-For all of you out of market fans like me who are interested in how you will get to see the Steelers pre-season opener vs the Arizona Cardinals you can check it out on ESPN live Thursday August 11th at 8pm, as well as few days later on Saturday, August 11th at 1pm on the NFL Network. If you are out of market like me the NFL Network will be showing every preseason game for every team in the league at some point before the start of the regular season.

XL-ESPN's Chris Mortenson interviewed Hines Ward at training camp and I am posting the video below. James Walker of ESPN also broke down training camp in his "training camp confidential" series. Thanks to Steelguy99 for the heads' up on this story.

XLIII- In a fanpost yesterday morning tmccoy posted about undrafted rookie free agent Tyler Grisham and the Tribune Review also has a more in-depth report on his progress so far during the training camp. I watched Grisham make a beautiful diving catch after he beat his cover man deep at training camp on Saturday. Like the article says, although his measurables may not be top notch he did appear to have a certain set of football intangibles that are reminiscent of Hines Ward. I have a hard time believing he will make the 53 man roster just due to the reality of the number of players the Steelers have competing for the spot, but it would certainly be a great story. I am very excited to see him get a chance in the pre-season where I think he will really shine.

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Excelent Interview with one of the leaders of this team

How great and humble Hines is when talking about what it means to be a steeler and when refering to talking with Mean Joe about leadership. That is a leader right there.
I would love for Hines to coach our WR’s and offense eventually whenever he retires.

Also, it seems to me that the press has some kind of love-affair with Willie or his agent, the only thing this guy has done is stay healthy, but we have all seen hundreds of right tackles play for this team throughout the years and he definetly is not one the best, not even close.. there are hundreds of examples, and the most prominent ones are whenever he has to face a stunt.. also, if he is so darn great at run blocking, why did the steelers fare better running to Max’s and Kemo’s side rather than Colon’s?
Let’s see if indeed he is improved this year, my hunch is that he will remain status quo.

by The_Nation_in_Mexico on Aug 11, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Show me the stats that say the team did better running left than they did running right.

by worldtrip on Aug 11, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

to his credit, staying healthy is impressive.

by shleeve on Aug 11, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Colon is a step ahead on everything, including injuries.

Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!

by steelguy99 on Aug 11, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And the snap count

by steeler.lifer on Aug 11, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs

ZING!!!

by _ET_ on Aug 11, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought that was implied.

Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!

by steelguy99 on Aug 11, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1 for subtlety steelguy The injuries reference got me leaning in the wrong direction.

by steeler.lifer on Aug 11, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exhaustive

That’s about all I can say about those articles on 4th quarter wins. What an effort it must’ve been. Stat analysis always makes the game of football seem like a court room drama, but Scott Kacsmar makes an interesting story of it.

by Varmint on Aug 11, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yes great analysis

Thanks for that link to the comeback victories analysis DYM. As varmint says, exhaustive is the word for it. Equally interesting debate with the posters, too.

by steeler.lifer on Aug 11, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Another Walker entry:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcnorth/0-3-310/Ravens-focused-on-solving-Steelers—Big-Ben.html

Maybe I’m just paranoid, but this article creeps me out. Considering that our offense had zero production against the Ravens outside of miracle Ben type of plays, if they are able to limit those plays, it’s going to be ugly.

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by BadMaafala on Aug 11, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Most comeback wins

Thanks for the article! I remember watching a game and they showed a stat for “most 4th quarter comebacks since Big Ben has entered the league” and, to this day, i still haven’t been able to find those stats anywhere.

Anyone know of a link that would show this particular stat so i can show all the haters i talk trash with?

by Freddyd on Aug 11, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

4th quarter comebacks

the stat is rather misleading because some teams consider game-winning (score is tied) comebacks
the NY Times recently picked up this article regarding marino/elway’s comeback numbers:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=3392
personally, I don’t like the stat any more than I like the qb having a win-loss record.

here was the follow-up article where you can see how Ben stacks up:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=3401

by vherub on Aug 12, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

those were the two articles I linked in the six-pack…..haha

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by drinkyourmilkshake on Aug 12, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Personally, I think this article is the one we should really be looking at. This one isn’t bad either.

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by BadMaafala on Aug 12, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

Those links were definitely the best and most helpful.

Thanks Bad for finally getting it right.

by worldtrip on Aug 12, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

completely right

I think I was blacked out

by vherub on Aug 12, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

There is even a little bit of fun for Malor...

On that video, but don’t tell him. Make him watch the whole thing. There is nothing a Ravens/ Bengals/ Browns fan loves more than 5 solid minutes of Hines and no one around to throw a flag on him.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 11, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Tomlin press conference this afternoon

It’s free: http://pit.scout.com/2/887221.html

by datruth4life on Aug 11, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

and awesome

Check out this quote from the end of the conference…classic Tomlin…

Q: There’s a report that a handful of teams are interested in Michael Vick. Are the Steelers one of them?

MT: I’ll say the same thing that I said last time in regards to free agency: If people are capable of helping us win, we have a level of interest in those guys. I’m never going to discuss free agents individually. I don’t think that’s appropriate. I think that’s fruitless and I think that conversation can be endless. If I start commenting on Michael Vick, I’ll be commenting on Plaxico Burress and everybody else that shows up on the wire. We do our due diligence in evaluating, in looking at potential guys that are capable of helping us win, guys that have professional-skill level and of course he is one of them, so we’re doing our due diligence. … So don’t ask me about Plax.

Q: Bradshaw?

MT: We may sign him, too. Did you see Mel Blount out there?

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by drinkyourmilkshake on Aug 11, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Did you see Mel Blount out there?

That’s a quote of the year contestant.

by vherub on Aug 12, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Vick

Tomlin is either actually interested in Vick or completely messing with the media. The latter makes way more sense and is way funnier, but it’s hard to be sure. He worded that whole answer very oddly. A simple “no” would have diffused the issue much better and kept the question from popping back up repeatedly.

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by BadMaafala on Aug 11, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree BMF

Tomlin is actually not only ending the discussion on weather they will sign Mike Vick, he actually essentially told the media not to ask about any free agent or he won’t respond.

He doesn’t have to talk about Vick or any other free agent with the media because he has sent a precedent. If he chose to “say no” regarding Mike Vick, he would have to say “yes or no” to every other free agent.

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by drinkyourmilkshake on Aug 11, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, maybe you’re right. I still he’s messing with people.

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by BadMaafala on Aug 11, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

still think he’s messing with people

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by BadMaafala on Aug 11, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why is there a need to diffues the issue?

Tomlin just made a general point about keeping an open mind and evaluating everything in context. Even if he has no interest in Vick, keeping that to himself might lead some other team to overpay. If he says absolutely no interest and then somehow Ben, Charlie, and Dennis all go down against the Cards on Thursday and we look to Vick out of desperation then he looks like a hypocrit for changing his mind.

by SteelerFan Ben on Aug 11, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I loved this quote

There are a lot of those kind of issues, but more than anything we’re just concerned about coming out and playing the game extremely fast, extremely hard. Realize that we’re not going to play perfect, but we’ve got to have Steeler kind of tempo in our play. We can’t be tentative. I talked to the guys about that. Of course we hope that produces a winning performance for us.

Playing extremely hard and having a Steeler kind of tempo.

by 92SteelersFan4Life07 on Aug 11, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good chat with hines

I really like hearin the man talk. Its very clear why our team is headed in the right direction when you have people like that at the Helm.

I think the eagles QB coach shenanigan is a brilliant manipulation of the rules. Hell, Mike Tomlin should be allowed to be cut, hired as a player, and play DB if we run short of corners. He probably could manage.

Now, I will say the person probably shouldnt be technically allowed to throw in practice, but to me there is nothing wrong with staffing positions with people that may be able to play.

I mean hell, if we saw the janitor at Heinz punting 80 yarders in his spare time, I think we could keep him around.

by Mechem on Aug 11, 2009 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

well the problem is you could hire a whole scout team full of “coaches” who line up against your team in practice.

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by drinkyourmilkshake on Aug 11, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And?

Beyond your standard 53 man roster, how many AMAZING players would that be subtracting from us? In all honesty, how much would it actually hurt us? And truly, how much would it really benefit the players? Ok team, line up against a bunch of 20-30 year old “players” that never really did that much…

I also believe with economic issues afoot, you’ll be hard pressed to find too many owners buying a whole B-squad.

by Mechem on Aug 11, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs