Observations After First Preseason Game
What did we learn from the first preseason game? Decidedly, not very much. Still, some of the personnel battles were highlighted, and some of the fog was removed.
If you missed the game, watch the highlights here: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d811e0ad2/Steelers-20-Cardinals-10
Here's what I saw, but please hit up the comments with your own observations, or to counter mine.
1. WR Battle
The 3rd WR spot is going to be an interesting battle. Sweed definitely showed that he has the stuff, and had a few moments where he looked like Nate Washington, but Shaun McDonald also came to play. The Veteran definitely showed that he has a spot on the team. So, this could be interesting, but I would look for the Steelers to stick with their draft pick, Limas Sweed.
2. Daniel Sepulveda Can Kick
Do I need to go on? Sepulveda will consistently give us shorter fields. In my opinion, he is our biggest upgrade this season ... and after watching Mitch Berger punt last season, he seems like a god. Oh, his AVERAGE punt distance was 49.5 yeards ... without my glasses on, I can't even see that far.
3. The Rebirth of the O-Line Has Been Grossly Exaggerated
For the past few weeks, there has been a lot of talk about how the O-Line is going to be better because this is their second year together. Okay, we didn't really get to see the supposed week 1 starters, but the group that was out there looked about as abominable as ever. While the first team was on, there were few holes for running, and Ben seemed to get the same hit-or-miss protection that he got last year.
4. Rookies Looked Capable
I'm not going to start gushing about the rookie class after one game; on this team, it's unlikely that any will be starters at any point this year (barring injuries)... However, the rookies certainly looked competent. Ziggy Hood had a sack. Joe Burnett had an INT. And Mike Wallace had a few nice catches. I didn't notice Shipley or Urbik too often, and that is probably a good thing.
5. What Distraction?
I knew that Ben wouldn't be distracted. Okay, this wasn't a regular season game, but still. Good stats from the two-time champ: 4/6 - 33yds - 80.6 rating
6. QB Depth
Both Dixon and Batch looked surprisingly good to me. I was expecting a rusty Batch to throw a few picks, but I was pleasantly surprised. And Dixon didn't look like a rookie (as he did last year). QB depth might not be as bad as I, personally, thought it would be.
7. RB Depth
Anyone see some trades developing with one or two of our RBs? Parker, Moore and Mendenhall each could fight for a starting spot on a number of teams, and Mendenhall is the only one of the three to whom the Steelers seem to be committed. With how competent Ike Redman looked as a depth RB, I wouldn't be surprised to see Parker or Moore hit the trade market.
8. Miscellanea
-Big Play Willie Gay looked great - he had a great pass defensed against Boldin
-I know that we had a muffed punt, but I was out of the room. Who muffed it? I would like to see more of Joe Burnett in the return game, assuming that it wasn't him.
What did I miss?
Update:
-Many commenters are saying that Frank Summers blocked well, and played well on special teams. Apparently, he was blocking on the two TDs.
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my 2 cents
I think the OL handled the pass protection assignments pretty good, specially the backups (Parquet was an expection though) . I think Tony Hills did pretty good today and all 3 Centers handled their assignments decently. I cannot say much about the guards though, and also, the run game didnt exist so yeah they sucked in run plays big time. But they handled the pass rush well imo.
*I didnt like Frank Summers game at all , if he continues like this, he will go to the practice squad, sorry guys, he is too raw still.
*I liked watching Anthony Madison as a regular Cb a lot (not only as a special teamer) , his interception (cancelled by an unfai pass interf call) was absolutely amazing and u could see him right on every guy he covered.
*I think Patrick Bailey is as bad if not worse then Bruce Davis at pass rush. Fucking awfull tonight at doing that. Makes me wonder if the rookie of the year last year will even make the 53 roster at all.
by setherian on Aug 14, 2009 1:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree about Frank Summers. With our depth at RB, I have a hard time seeing him even making the practice squad if he doesn’t pick up his game.
by PaulMorel on Aug 14, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally disagree with you guys !!!
Frank was phenomenal on special teams. He had several tackles and was near the ball every time. Besides it was him who blocked for Redman in 2 TDs. He is one tough So# :-) in a good way. I like him much more than Carey Davis for our FB position. He definitely knows how to pick up blitzes which he did several times this game and knows how to run block.
by Bonek on Aug 14, 2009 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ST, yes. Good blocking, yes. If Tank learns his reads for pass blocking he can make the team.
Noticed McHugh out in passing, maybe they want a real FB blocking this year.
Madison is not a regular yet, he was torched by Breaston, but then Breaston torches starters, so I don’t know where to go with that.
by Phantaskippy on Aug 14, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah you guys are wrong...
Go back and watch both TDs. Guess who the lead blocker was? Tank. Guess who made two big blocks to free Redmann up? Tank. Hopefully, if things work out the way they should, they will drop Davis and keep Tank and Redmann alternating between FB and RB.
Anyway, its only the 1st preseason game.
by Johnny_S on Aug 14, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Davis is on very thin ice.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 14, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I hope it cracks
I dont want him around anyway. Personally seems like he never can do any one thing well enough to be useful.
by Mechem on Aug 14, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying
You hate him and he stinks?
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 14, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am!
I do hate him and he stanks.
You busted me trying to be nice.
Honestly I have no plays, in my memory, where I thought “good job Carey Davis”
Every play I have of him in my head, involves a mile of open space, immediately closed upon by his horrid game speed, and what should be a gain of 4 yards for a 1st down becoming 1 yard or 0.
by Mechem on Aug 14, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know
I think I agree with you. Except I kind of gave him the benefit of the doubt. in the past….now I tend to think his time is done.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 14, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were we watching the same game?
Cause I saw Frank making plays on special teams and laying some nice blocks from the FB position. I can see him making the team on his ST play alone. He’s only going to get better with more reps.
by Mr 412 on Aug 14, 2009 3:06 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Redman
This kid wants to play football. I know he was working against the 3rd string but looked impressive. I think he should get a shot at the 2nd string defense next game he certainly deserves the chance with his performance tonight.
Wouldnt it be something to have him and FWP as a tandem lead the NFL in rushing 2 undrafted guys. With our line prolly wouldnt happen but nice to dream.
by thefirst3peat on Aug 14, 2009 3:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wouldnt it be something...2 undrafted guys?
I hadn’t thought of that, but that would be awesome. I just don’t think that he will beat Summers out for #4.
I liked Summers on special teams, what little I saw. First preseason game of his rookie year and he’s getting noticed on special teams. I get as excited about special teams as anything.
Who knew?
by Concomitandt on Aug 14, 2009 6:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
By the numbers
1. What about Wallace? He definitely didn’t look like a rookie. I know Sweed has the inside track on #3, but if you mention McDonald for #3 you have to mention Wallace.
4. Did you like Ziggy’s dance?
6. Dixon didn’t look like a rookie because he isn’t one. I agree he looked good, after a shaky start (may have had something to do with the situation/plays with it being just seconds from the half).
7. No I don’t see any trades. Trading FWP or Moore would be cause to get surgery on the frontal lobe.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 14, 2009 7:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to add one thing though
On Dixon. He needs to work on his long passes. While one of my QB coach friends says he like some “flutter” on the long ball (yeah right) I would like to see his long passes a little tighter. He got good air and actually the touch was there but a few fluttered a little and it took from his accuracy on the deep ones. Short to intermediate he was on point.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 14, 2009 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After Game Comments
Dixon mentioned that 2 of his deep balls slipped on the way out. He said they felt “way wrong” citing the balls were a little wet and it is an adjustment he must make.
by TheCommish on Aug 14, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That explains it
Thanks. I didn’t hear the after game comments. I’m glad to hear this.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 14, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope he wasn't talking about the one in the endzone...
If he had thrown it any deeper it woulda been out of the endzone. That one he just waited way to long to throw it.
by Johnny_S on Aug 14, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he waited too long on that one
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 14, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So far Dixon looks like he is developing into a solid number 2. I don’t know if he is there yet, and I’m glad it’s not a foregone conclusion. Batch is going to go away soon, and shortly thereafter Dixon is going to come up for contract. Assuming Dixon only marginally improves this pre-season…
I like the career progression. It’s coming along, he looks good enough that he could be relied on in the future. He isn’t necessarily blowing anyone away, which means he will be easier to resign come contract time if he is on the bubble. I like his potential.
Right now, I’m a fan. Everyone should keep in mind that if Dixon starts blowing away the competition, he isn’t going to be a steeler for much longer.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
by steelguy99 on Aug 14, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts
1. Will be interesting to see how 3, 4, 5 play out.
2. So glad to have a competent punter.
3. I wasn’t entirely disappointed by the O-line. We are missing, what, two starters? Lets wait till we get back those guys before we make a decision.
4. The rookies looked great, especially when compared to last year’s class. I saw Shipley who looked like a T-rex a few plays, but did not see Urbik. I guess thats a good thing, bc I tend to notice line-men when they screw up.
5. Eff-ing A
6. Batch > Dixon. I believe Batch remains our #2 right now. Dixon looked bad on deep balls. He waited about a half second to a second to long on each ball. On two plays I can remember, this allowed the DB to catch the receiver and knock the ball down. As much as I do shoot down Dixon, he did look very confident in the pocket last night.
7. I highly doubt and hope they do not trade Moore or FWP. Mendenhall looks pretty awful between the tackles. Just because we have a lot invested in him, does not mean he gets to start. As of now, I would have him listed as my 3rd back.
by Johnny_S on Aug 14, 2009 8:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And by competent you mean HoF worthy.
Maybe that’s a bit overzealous, but the guy is a Pro-Bowl threat.
The young Centers were very impressive considering their level of NFL experience. Very Impressive, give them more time impressive.
Returners, Wallace and Burnett, both did well in the few returns they got. Special teams were solid because we tackled well last year, this year if we keep that together ST will be a big +.
by Phantaskippy on Aug 14, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batch ~= Dixon
Batch underthrew Sweed by about 15 yards on his one long throw. Sweed made a really nice adjustment and catch, but he had his guy beat. It should have been a touchdown.
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by BadMaafala on Aug 14, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh...
I just watched the play a few times. Both guys are even. Batch just threw it at them and Sweed made the adjustment to win the battle. I do not think he had him beat and that it should have been a touchdown. He would have had to thread a needle to make that a TD with the receiver on the outside like that.
by Johnny_S on Aug 14, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Observations
1. James Harrison was everywhere – easily the best player on the field tonight. I’m not sure any team is going to be able to contain him.
2. Man oh man I’m excited about our WRs this year. Limas made a couple of nice catches including 1 in heavy traffic. Yes, he dropped one, but he looked like a great target for Ben. Mike Wallace was very impressive, making a couple of nice grabs and he got wide open on a pass badly underthrown by Dixon. Both looked like great #3 targets. Then McDonald came in and showed what he can do with 6 catches. We could be positively devastating in 5 wide sets this year.
3. The OL didn’t push anyone off the ball all night. The centers were ok, but overall we just didn’t knock anyone back.
4. At RB, Mendenhall looked much quicker and stronger to the hole than he did last year. He just didn’t have anywhere else to go. Redman ran strong against lesser competition, though he needs to stop that spin move – he’ll get killed in a regular game doing that. Summers showed little running the ball, but looked decent blocking and on special teams.
5. Batch looked very good and it’s nice to know he’s back. He’s always run the team efficiently when Ben is out. Dixon still looked a bit overwhelmed, but you could see the potential and I like how his first reaction isn’t to run. He looks like he could step in next year as the #2.
6. Nice interception, Anthony Madison. Great positioning. It’s just preseason for the refs, too.
7. Nice interception, Joe Burnett. He recovered well from his muffed punt to really play well. He looks like a gamer. Keenan Lewis, on the other hand, looked lost.
8. Ziggy Hood showed some flashes of potential, but looked very overmatched most of the time. He’s thinking too much.
9. Bruce Davis didn’t show much.
10. Welcome back, Mr. Sepulveda. We missed you.
by Blackadar on Aug 14, 2009 8:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Picks...
I didnt watch, but according to NFL.com Anthony Madison didnt have a pick, and Brucey Davis did.
by Mechem on Aug 14, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Madison did make one heck of a one handed pick with a WR holding onto the other arm. It was negated due to a pass interferance call. The call was iffy, but there was contact back and forth. My initial thought was P.I on Madison, then the replay had me yelling at the TV “How do you even play CB in the NFL anymore”… week one… preseason. I’m in midseason form already.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 14, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
That was horrible.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 14, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Madison's was called back
On probably one of the worst pass interference calls I have ever seen. He had position on the WR who tried to grab and pull Madison away from the ball (he actually had one of his arms). With his one available arm he made a tremendous one hand catch. A flag was thrown and somehow they called defensive pass interference. Even the guys in the booth were stating he clearly got it wrong.
Anyway, Great coverage and a great pick.
by Johnny_S on Aug 14, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah gotcha
Yeah then in that case, kudos to him for throwin himself all out.
I can totally picture them calling a pushoff or something, since it would look like he probably used one arm to shove off, and make the catch with the other.
But a one handed catch almost never happens because of a PI.
by Mechem on Aug 14, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, the refs called Madison for pass interference (it was an awful call). As a coach, you count that as an INT in internal discussions. Davis got a pick but it was really a flubbed catch by the WR that landed right in Davis’ hands. He didn’t have to make much of a play.
by Blackadar on Aug 14, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The holes were there for the rungame. Mendenhall didn’t make good with them, and he hit the second level many times. They got good push, better than last year.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
by steelguy99 on Aug 14, 2009 9:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, on second thought, maybe they didn’t do very well.
Thanks to
http://www.postgameheroes.com/?p=7215
for opening my eyes.
What I noticed was a lot of Mendenhall bouncing outside. For me it seemed like that was Mendenhall’s prerogative and that the hole was actually there for a few yards. I still believe that’s the case, but instead Mendy chose to bounce it out to get more, which is hard to fault him for. In any event, there certainly doesn’t seem to be any great amount of room to run.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
by steelguy99 on Aug 14, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the article till I read the stuff on Redmann
I do not think all of our backs score on both runs. He truck-sticked guys on both runs to get scores. However, I guess its a moot point to argue, because we will never know.
by Johnny_S on Aug 14, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the analysis of the holes was legit.
I agree with you on the backs scoring though. I’ve seen enough of steelers RBs going down in traffic the past two years to know that they don’t score on that run.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
by steelguy99 on Aug 14, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I agree with you though
It definitely made me feel better about Mendenhall. At first last night, I was yelling “You better not be a bust!”
by Johnny_S on Aug 14, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Mendy’s leg drive was very noticeable.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
by steelguy99 on Aug 14, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dixon...
Looked good at times, from the pocket too. One thing I noticed was his delivery seems a little inconsistent. Occasionally it looked as though he was almost throwing a shot put. But when it all was smooth, and the ball didn’t feel “way wrong” he looked like he may have some legit upside. Still a bit of a stick though.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 14, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Look above
I guess Dixon said the ball slipped on his long throws.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 14, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No excuse...
But somewhat understandable. It’s not like it was raining or anything. If they “slipped” in a real game we’d be beating those words to death right now. But it wasn’t a real game, it was pre-season, and pre-season week 1 to boot. This is where you want that to happen so it can be fixed before it’s too late. You actually do coach, I don’t. Did you see anything in his arm motion that was inconsistent? I could of just been seeing different angles and it threw me off, but I’m no QB coach.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 14, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I did
He seemed to short arm some of his long throws. That had me puzzled.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Aug 14, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My three thoughtages
I only was able to check the recaps and such, as I’m in Peru. But Let me say this:
Robopunter for the win. Averaged what like almost 50? Thats huge. And I missed it so.
Mr. Redman is pretty much the shiz at the goal line from what I can tell. And his TD runs werent even at the one, at the 5 and 3 I believe. I like what I see.
Good to see Bruce Davis getting a little PT, and a INT to boot.
by Mechem on Aug 14, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Running backs
Everything is fine with the RB’s. We know what we have in Parker and Moore, so there’s no reason to put them at risk this early in the preseason. I’ll bet they both get a little time (1 or 2 drives) in the 3rd game, just to freshen up and get hit a couple times. We’re in evaluation mode, though, and no one is a bigger enigma on the team right now than Mendenhall. We’re going to see a lot more of him, Summers, and Redman.
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by BadMaafala on Aug 14, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My understanding of the subtleties of O Line execution
is a relatively thin veneer, just enough to hold my own with drunk people, and I’ve learned a lot from reading some of the dissections by BTSC leaders (tip of hat to all of you).
That being said, I intuitively feel that big boys need to hit hard and go forward. Less fancypants, more violence. There was a short yardage play in the first or second series where five big boys went straight forward and Delicious got two or three and a 1st down. I like seeing the line going forward. I know we need to stunt and get blocking at the second level, but it stood out to me. It was only one play.
I also liked:
Madison’s one hander. Focus. Be the ball. Nanananana.
Redman’s bounce on the goal line run. Put him up against better players and let’s have a lookie.
Robo. Oh sweetness.
Chucky’s apparent boner for the Steelers and his rant against the Hines rule. I often have these games on mute since Jaworski is such a muttonhead but was glad I didn’t for that little tirade.
by thedonger on Aug 14, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think your intuition is fairly accurate when it comes to this line and our offensive scheme. Basically we have a bunch of big, dumb maulers and we’re running a fancypants zone blocking rushing scheme like we’re the fancypants Colts or fancypants Broncos. Honestly, I’d be okay with drafting a bunch of pansy pass protectors to be fancypants or switching over to a hat-on-hat “go forward and hit hard” type of run blocking. Either way is better than what we’re currently doing.
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