Steelers 2009 53-Man Roster
Here's my latest version of what I think the Steelers 53-man roster will look like when the roster is trimmed down from 80. The players who are underlined are those that I think may be on the bubble.
OFFENSE:
Quarterbacks (3): Ben Roethlisberger, Charlie Batch, Dennis Dixon
Running Backs (5): Willie Parker, Rashard Mendenhall, Mewelde Moore, Carey Davis, Frank Summers
Wide Receivers (5): Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes, Limas Sweed, Mike Wallace, Shaun McDonald
Tight Ends (3): Heath Miller, Matt Spaeth, Sean McHugh
Offensive Linemen (9): Justin Hartwig, Chris Kemoeatu, Willie Colon, Max Starks, Darnell Stapleton, Tony Hills, Trai Essex, Kraig Urbik
DEFENSE:
Defensive Linemen (7): Brett Keisel, Casey Hampton, Aaron Smith, Chris Hoke, Travis Kirschke, Ziggy Hood, Ra'Shon Harris
Linebackers (9): James Harrison, Patrick Bailey, James Farrior, LaMarr Woodley, Lawrence Timmons, Keyaron Fox, Arnold Harrison, Bruce Davis, Donovan Woods
Defensive Backs (9): Ike Taylor, DeShea Townsend, William Gay, Troy Polamalu, Ryan Clark, Ryan Mundy, Joe Burnett, Keenan Lewis, Anthony Madison
Specialists (3): Greg Warren, Jeff Reed, Daniel Sepulveda
Last Five In: Ra'Shon Harris, Patrick Bailey, Bruce Davis, Donovan Woods, Frank Summers
Just Missed Out: Isaac Redman, Jeremy Parquet, Keiwant Ratliff, Tyrone Carter, A.Q. Shipley, Doug Legursky
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Isaac Redman
Arguably the most impressive person so far through Pittsburgh’s preseason missed out on the roster? I know that everyone is hoping Frank Summers is going to be the next Bettis, but he hasn’t shown the brilliance thus far. Redman has excelled and should be tested on a higher level to see if he can compete.
+1
I have been a sumers fan all along, but if Redman continues to perform like he has recently, he’s in and I think Davis or Summers are out.
Only a life lived for others is a life worthwhile - Albert Einstein.
Redman
This Redman kid is the real deal…I watched some film of him in college that someone posted on one of the many Steeler sites I visit. He has a flair for finding holes, I believe he has excellent vision and a delay cutback move to die for. He makes the squad ahead of Carey Davis for me. Davis is useless, hasn’t done anything in all the time here. The tank needs some time in the practice squad shop before it rolls in Pittsburgh.
If Davis loses his spot to Redman we have 1 lead blocker.
As it stands with Davis and McHugh we have two. I don’t think mr Versatility Mike Tomlin will go with just one lead blocker who also is our third TE. That’s why I think Davis is not competing with Redman, you can’t run and block at the same time.
So Redman needs to beat someone else, or cards need to fall right for him to make it.
by Phantaskippy on Aug 17, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I still don’t see him making the team as a short yardage specialist who doesn’t do anything else. I think he’s on the practice squad.
Every year we have somebody tear up against the third team defense and then not make the cut, Redman needs to show a lot more to make this squad.
by Phantaskippy on Aug 16, 2009 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions
is keenan ratliff supposed to be keenan lewis?
i’m guessing thats so since you list keiwan ratliff as cut later on. if keenan lewis is cut, that would be the highest draft pick the steelers cut right out of training camp in 10+ years.
and i really really hope someone steps up and takes carey davis’s spot on special teams
whoops
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by Michael Bean on Aug 15, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
hey
How did my comment get deleted
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by SteelersChatPack on Aug 15, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Just like Hills Department Store
Hills’ days in Pittsburgh are numbered. He has not only failed to impress, he has made impressions for all the wrong reason. And I think one of either Davis or Summers loses that roster spot.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Aug 15, 2009 6:08 PM EDT reply actions
I'm seeing it, but not agreeing 100%...
…But that’s to be expected after the first pre-season game!
Tell me what you gents and ladies think about my thoughts:
[] Carey Davis is gone gone gone.
Reasoning: Steelers will be looking at using a combo of Summers and Redmman as fullbacks, and McHugh is already the teams #1 listed FB. Davis just hasn’t shown enough, and what he’s shown is exactly who he is, and all he’s going to be. No upside. We’ll miss the ST play, but….not enough to justify a roster spot.
[] Obvioulsy, by that statement, I think Redman stays.
Reasoning: From his tapes, and his performance so far (which is what this is partially based off of, yes?) he has/will earn it. Dude smells end zone, built like a fort, and churns all the time. We all know he will get snatched off the practice squad. He just will.
[] I don’t think Hines Ward makes it, and it opens the way for Dallas Baker.
Reasoning: Oops, sorry, must have channeled a Raven’s fan or something… ;)
[] Seriously, though, I don’t think Hills makes it.
Reasoning: Hills just hasn’t shown as much as Legursky, and Legursky can play more than just center, if I’m not mistaken. Bronco Legursky’s looked good. Also, see C. Davis.
[] I also can’t see how K. Ratliffe goes and Bruce Davis stays.
Reasoning: Game tape & upside, not to mention needed youth in the secondary.
Just my two pesos, after our long-awaited first glimpse at these guys in competition….
Dug
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
i agree about ratliff but think bruce will also make the team
if ratliff is cut, then it will leave only one experienced non-primarily special teams player behind gay and taylor at CB
Well
I felt the same way until I see him play. He didn’t miss an assignment and did well last night. I heard nothing but bad things out of camp, but Hills maybe one of those guys who sucks in practice but when game time comes, he’s a completely different guy. Thats all that matters to me. If he continues to play like he did Thursday night then I can see him making this team. Practice doesn’t count the game does, I’d rather have a guy that’s sorry in practice and good in the game than a guy thats good in practice and sorry in the game. Lets continue to watch Hills the rest of the preseason and then evaluate him after Game 4.
by tannofsteel84 on Aug 15, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
nine OL
I only count eight listed. nine does get you to 53.
Shipley or Legursky stays? I don’t see Foster on your list of cuts – he looked scary pulling the other night!
"If I could start my life over again I would be a pro football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler!"
Jack Lambert Hall of Induction speech 1990
What about Capizzi?
We need another backup tackle especially if Essex beats out Stapleton for RG.
This suspense over who’s Blitz’s mystery 9th O-lineman is killing me.
by barnerburner on Aug 15, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Aug 17, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty Solid
Carey Davis is a spare. I think he made this team last year because there were no real options other than him. This year there does appear to be some options. I know Redman is undrafted and all that, but he’s the first guy in a long time who looks fit for the short yardage carry. As Coach says, they will get him some looks against the varsity, and if he continues to look good, I think he makes the roster.
Tony Hills has got to be out of here. When your big ambition is to be the next Trai Essex, that has early cut written all over it.
Another thing, you listed 9 offensive linemen, but only named eight of them. Is it only supposed to be eight, or did you leave someone off.
13 years and no playoff wins for the Dallas Cowboys... SWEET!
The missing lineman: Foster
Stays.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
53.....My best Guess
I agree with you for the most part.
Here are the 53, as I see them, after 1 Pre-Season Game
RB 5 Parker Mendy Moore Redman Summers(FB)
WR 5 Ward Holmes Sweed Wallace McDonald
QB 3 Ben Batch Dixon
TE 3 Miller Spaeth McHugh
OL 9 Starks Kemo Hartwig Essex Colon
Foster Stapleton Urbik Capizzi
DL 7 A. Smith Hampton Keisel
Hood Hoke Kirschke Harris
LB 9 Woodley Farrior Timmons J. Harrison
Frazier Woods Fox Davis Bailey
CB 5 Taylor Gay K. Lewis Burnett Ratliff
S 4 Troy Clark R. Lewis Townsend
ST 3 Reed Sepulveda Warren
Ummm....Its week 2 of camp
We still have 3 preseason games, 3 weeks of practice, and injuires. Your rosters are certain to change. I will worry about the 53 man in about 3 weeks.
We’ll worry about it now because it’s all in good fun and we have nothing better to do.
by barnerburner on Aug 15, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
My version
For the most part I’ll stand by my guesswork here but I’ll summarize it below with a few changes based on what I thought of the game:
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2009/8/13/988585/guessing-the-53-man-roster
Offense:
QB (3) – Roethlisburger, Batch, Dixon
RB/FB (5) – Parker, Mendenhall, Moore, Summers, Redman
WR (5) – Ward, Holmes, Sweed, McDonald, Wallace
TE (3) – Miller, Spaeth, McHugh
OL (10) – Starks, Kemoeatu, Hartwig, Essex, Colon, Hills, Foster, Stapleton, Urbik, Capizzi
Defense:
DL (7) – Smith, Hampton, Keisel, Kirschke, Hoke, Hood, Harris
LB (8) – Woodley, Timmons, Farrior, J. Harrison, Frazier, Fox, Bailey, Woods
DB (9) – Taylor, Gay, Polamalu, R. Carter, Townsend, Burnett, K. Lewis, Madison, T. Carter
PK – Reed
P – Sepulveda
LS – Warren
Last five in: Anthony Madison, Tyrone Carter, Ra’Shon Harris, Kraig Urbik, Isaac Redman
Last five out: Ryan Mundy, Arnold Harrison, Doug Legursky, Bruce Davis, Scott Paxson
How the last five out would make it in:
1). Mundy would make it if he outperforms Tyrone Carter as a backup safety or is comparable to Anthony Madison as a special teamer (since Madison’s cover skills are a liability and STs are all he really has going for him).
2). Arnold Harrison and Andre Frazier are something of a coin flip one or the other makes it deal.
3). Legursky makes it if center depth becomes an issue (Hartwig or Stapleton take longer than expected to get back to 100%).
4). I don’t know what to do with Bruce Davis. If he can’t earn a LB spot outright but is ineligible for the practice squad then I guess hope that Urbik/Foster can be safely stored on the practice squad instead.
5). Paxson makes it if he can be more position flexible and do better on special teams than Ra’Shon Harris.
Clark?
I don’t see Clark as one of your DBs.
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Aug 16, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoops brain fart
R. Carter was supposed to be Clark, since I don’t think there’s even an R. Carter in camp.
by barnerburner on Aug 16, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Something to keep in mind
first off, its hard to ever really base anything off of one game. So it is difficult to count someone out. People have bad games so………..don’t count out people like Summers, Hills, Vincent, and so on.
But at the same time an impressive set of plays is harder to produce than a lousy performace. For example, Redman, he showed what he can do and thats no fluke. You can tell by the way he was running that you can expect to see that every time. Whether it works or not against a first string D is another question but at least the ability is there.
Also, something to remember about the Davis versus Summers battle. Summers could probably make it on the practice squad without getting picked up. Davis, on the other hand, if we released him he would get picked up (hes a Super Bowl winner). So look at it this way, if Davis goes then hes gone. If Summers goes then hes on the practice squad and Davis is still sitting at FB.
Preferable, as of right now, I’d rather have Frank like most of us would but the coaches still love Davis……..
deweybeachde, your 53 might be the best I've seen thus far
- One change I might make is to drop a LB (Bruce Davis or P. Bailey) and add LT Tony Hills to the roster. If Hills plays like he did the other night, there is no way that he isn’t making this team. You don’t cut young LT’s with upside.
- R. Lewis might have an edge over Patrick Mundy because he appears to be the better special teams and more physical player. Wow, I’d like to have a spot for A. Madison on this team just for speical teams. Maybe go with 9 OL instead of 10? I don’t know.
Man, this is going to be tough. Glad there are 3 more games to allow the players to cut themselves. Great job, deweybeachde.
Redman in
Assuming Redman keeps up the good work, I’d bet he makes it instead of one of those lower tier backup LBs.
I’m an optimist about who gets roster spots. I like the new guys. Whoo Redman, whoo Shipley, whoo that fullback/tight-end guy who no one knew about three weeks ago.
But this is a realistic assessment. Right now Tomlin is all talk about roster positions being “open for competition”. Until I see a starter get unseated in camp by someone other than a first round pick three years in, I’m not buying it. I think Blitz nailed it, and I hate him for it.
Damn you c. davis, damn you.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
A.Q Shipley will not get cut...
I am telling you…he will be starting for us this year. Remember you heard it from me first on Aug 15.
you’d be surprised, i think hes highly under-rated.
He had to play between two first time starters last year (Stapleton and Kemo) who were incredibly inconsistent. he even receieved a few pro bowl votes from some espn writers. I don’t get why people think hes sub par.
How about the fact he gave up more sacks then any other center in the league and more then a lot of tackles.
that’ll happen when you are having to watch the back of Kemo and Stapleton.
Also, I remember seeing a stats thing about the o-line and I dont believe he allowed the most sacks. I could be wrong though.
he did
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Aug 17, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually
Hartwig is a 2 time pro bowler. I agree with you he is solid, an in my mind one of our better if not best Offensive Linemen.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Aug 17, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Our best O-lineman, that says, well. . . something for him. I guess.
I kid, I think Hartwig is good enough, he just needs talent around him. He is a par player with two negatives on each side. If you give him a plus player and another par guard he would look solid.
I think Shipley can be a par Center also, if he can not suck against top NT. he’s got everything else to be a top notch center.
by Phantaskippy on Aug 17, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Hartwig no Pro Bowler
Hartwig was an upgrade last year over Mahan but he has never been to a Pro Bowl and probably never will. He’ll turn 31 years old this season. He’s not going to get any better. He sat out one season due to injury in Carolina, did not stand out in his only full year of playing time there and was cut prior to the Steelers picking him up. He was physically worn out at the end of last year and missed most of training camp and the first preseason game because of a nagging toe injury. He is an okay fill-in but his future replacements are on the team. I’m not confident he makes it through this season
by steeler.lifer on Aug 17, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmmm
I could have sworn that was said after the Steelers signed him last year. I guess I’m wrong, but I don’t know why I thought that…weird
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Aug 17, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he was considered a very good center in Tennessee. Someone may have called him “Pro Bowl caliber”, and he may have been before his injury, but so was LeCharles Bentley.
charity standing orders
Ah I see.
Was most likely the case. LeCharles Bentley tee-shirts gonna be in soon?
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Aug 17, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
yea probably
wishful thinking I guess. lol.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Aug 18, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
What about the status of Stefan Logan?
I haven’t much about him. I was kind of looking forward to seeing him against the Cardinals. I guess he’s a pretty serious longshot at this point, but I thought the guy potentially had a pretty high ceiling as a playmaker. Did I miss something? Has he completely fallen off the depth chart?
13 years and no playoff wins for the Dallas Cowboys... SWEET!
by idiscgolftexas on Aug 16, 2009 12:06 AM EDT reply actions
+1
I was looking forward to seeing ‘something’ from him.
The way I see it, we’ve got one too many fullbacks on the roster. While he’s listed as a TE, McHugh should serve well in the FB slot. Keeping Davis AND Summers means having three FBs on a team that rarely calls plays for one. I say keep either Davis or Summers, but not both. Leave the free slot for Logan and maybe we’ll have a back who can successfully run a screen.
Of course, I want to see Logan play before I sign my name on any of that. ;)
From what I've heard, he's been a dud so far.
Muffing kicks and punts in camp, which is primarily what he’d make the team for.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Aug 17, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I read that he muffed one KR. Hadn’t read about multiples, so that’s good to know (if a bit disappointing). Frankly, I didn’t think he would make it far as a KRer once we drafted all the CBs and WRs that have that particular skill on their resumes. But I was hoping to see him as an option guy for 3rd and long.
He was on the PUP list last week, which may explain why we didn’t see him against the Cards.
Don't cite me on it but I believe
there have been more than one. This upcoming game against the Skins will give us some more insight, as to how effective he can be.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Aug 21, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
53 Man roster-differences
RB-Carey Davis was good during the playoffs but if Frank Summers is as good as people say he looks (Bettis jr?) and Redman looked good the other night and winning goal line at training camp goes along way. So i see them keeping Summers and Redman (Steelers love undrafted free agents)
OL-I havent heard many good things about Urbik or Hills yet
but we need depth at center…so I see them keeping A.Q. Shipley and/or Doug Legursky
isnt Hills a bust at this point?
DB-I think we should keep Keiwan Ratliff too, he looked good and we made a move to sign him in the off season
Its nice to have some good depth going into the season
I would release Carey Davis, and add David Johnson to it.
Also would bring Ryan Mundy back to Practice squad and try to use Ratliff somehow.
I would add Legursky to it as well and leave Capizzi to practice squad ’cause Essex can handle RT if need.
What about that Foster guy? I would give him a chance to, if he shows more skills then urbik until the fourth preseason game, put urbik in practice squad, he doesnt deserve to be in the 53 just because e was high picked!
Yea
Johnson may be special as a FB. Still, I’d like to see more of Capizzi this preseason, as from what little we’ve seen and heard about him, has been impressive. Foster is intriguing, so is Shipley, and I’d like to say we could put them on the PS and be able to bring them up at any point during the year, but unfortunately i think at least one of them would be scooped up by another team.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Aug 17, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Johnson would take McHugh's spot.
The competition for Davis is Tank IMO. We need two fullback/lead blocker guys, and McHugh and Davis are that now. Johnson for Davis would mean four TE, two who can play some FB and can’t catch. I don’t see that happening.
by Phantaskippy on Aug 17, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Its true, David Johnson will hardly make the 53 even though he is having a nice camp. I know Capizzi makes us wanna see him more, the kid is a mammuth after all, but with Essex as a solid all around backup and Tony Hills locked to the LT second depth spot (until now!) , it will be hard to see him make it.
I personally would like to swing Legursky n Shipley a few times a year with Hartwig purely as experimentation.
I dont know about u guys, but I dont dig Stapleton at all .. he always looks undersized and soft to me.. I would have give him the boot last year..
Anyway, we need to give enough chance for someone become the odd man in this OLINE , since it kind of suck anyway, we need to risk ourselves a bit to try to find some big surprise out of those rookies n second years . Wedesperateluy need some surprise in this Line or we will be like number 25,26 in rushing this year!!
Oline picks are dead on
So, Tony Hills has received almost as much bashing as Sweed did last year. And now we all are praising Sweed’s improvement (although many of you will claim you knew all along, we can go back to old posts). Tony Hills is a third year 4th round tackle. Realistically, he is competing for a spot with Jason Capizzi and Jeremy Parquet. Here is why I say that, six spots are reserved for Starks, Kemo, Hartwig, Stapleton, Colon and Essex. Not sure who will win the RG spot but either Essex Does and Stapleton ends up the Swing inside man or Stapler wins it and Essex is the Swing Tackle. That leaves three, maybe four spots for other guys. Urbik stays, third rounder not likely to get cut, he has potential. Down to two maybe three spots. Many people are saying Capizzi will be our Swing tackle, the Steelers love him too much to not keep him. Sorry folks, Capizzi is the first of the three out. Was cut last year, resigned on 12/23 and was inactive for every game. Parquet PLAYED guard and tackle last year in actual games and was dressed for most of the games. Down to Hills and Parquet. I have watched the game twice (Armed Forces Network Overseas) and Hills and Parquet both played on the best looking line combo we had Thursday (from L to R, Hills, Foster, Shipley, Urbik, Parquet). From Hills to Urbik was the best communication I have seen from a line combo since we had healthy Marvel, Faneca, Hartings, Simmons, and Starks. I said communication not talent level, don’t overreact yet. They were picking up stunts, shifting to the correct side etc. Parquet looked pretty good, but I just think that entire left side looked really good. I say Hills and Foster make it with Shipley on the practice squad, or number ten if we keep that many lineman.
Capizzi had a stress fracture in his foot
Last year in camp, If I’m not mistaken, that being the reason he was cut, and wasn’t fully healthy until being brought back in December.
As For Shipley, Foster, Legursky and Parquet , I’d say at least 2 will be on the practice squad. My bet is, despite being impressive thus far, Foster, Parquet are sent down. We could need a back up Center once Stapleton is healthy and playing Guard, so I think either of those two guys has a shot to make it. Experience will say Legursky, but Shipley could surprise.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Aug 17, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
There was some buzz before camp from Lolley that the steelers may not want to put Foster on the practice squad because they think he will be snatched up. Foster made it all the way to UDFA so it is hard to put much stock in that. I was surprised when Lolley mentioned it awhile back, but Foster may be a guy that a lot of teams figured would fall to UDFA and they tried to snatch him up. I doubt it though.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
Parquet is going on like his 5th year in the league or something so if he gets cut he’s left sitting on his couch waiting for the phone to ring.
Foster though is tough to gauge. I’m probably just being paranoid thinking he’ll be snatched up by someone else as soon as we cut him, but at the same time what are the chances that some other team is less interested in trying to develop their own O-linemen right now and is instead locked on to this kid we have that we may or may not cut? I really have no idea since I’m so biased and paranoid and its clouding my judgment.
If I had a choice between having to pick one between Shipley, Legursky, Foster, and Parquet – I’d pick Foster to have on the roster this year. Parquet is a known commodity that’s hit his ceiling, and all else being equal I’m not a fan of choosing to keep a guy that isn’t really going to keep developing beyond backup ability. I haven’t heard about Shipley or Legursky being tried out at guard and having the versatility to back up there, so that leaves Foster who figures to be able to provide depth at both guard positions and maybe even tackle in a worst case scenario.
by barnerburner on Aug 17, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
sounds good, but
I have a hard time seeing Redman on the outside looking in after how good he’s looked so far. I mean he has to keep up that level against better defenders, but still.
And I think Shipley still has potential to be a draft steal
Roster
My major problem with your compiled 53 man roster, is the fact that you left Tyrone Carter off of the team. If he were not on the team, that would leave the Steelers without a solid backup at the safety position. I know I, like a lot of Steeler’s fans will never forgive him for missing that tackle against the Jags in 2008, but that does not discredit his value to his team. He has an added bonus of being able to play both FS and SS.
Carey Davis is a bum and no longer deserves to wear the black and gold. The only reason we know who he is, is because Mendenhall and Parker were hurt last year. The fullback positiona is probably the least important position for the Steelers, as they mostly run the football from the singleback formation. CUT Davis and lets give Summers a chance!
Safety
Assuming our CB projects come along, Townsend may end up being our backup safety. At least, that was the rumor a while back.
Which could work out quite well for him since he’s got to have lost a step by now and can’t keep sprinting alongside all these young whippersnappers.
by barnerburner on Aug 17, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Still Early But...
Good roster Blitz. With DaTruth in that I am happy we have 3 more games to sort this out.
On offense I agree with your QB, WR and TE. I think we keep 9 OL (your 8 plus Capizzi or Foster) AQ is PS. Also think Redmon could beat out Carey Davis at RB.
On defense I like your specialists. The D line will feature Eason instead of Travis Kirschke. Age is factor and Eason is much younger. I think Andre Frazier will beat out A Harrison at LB. Harrison’s age coupled with his couple knee injuries will give Frazier an extra step. At DB I keep Ty Carter instead of Mundy. The Steelers will need a capable vet at S that has played the position before. Especially when they travel to Denver and Ryan Clark possibly doesn’t make the trip due to altitude and sickle cell. Mundy could spend another year on the PS.
All in all the veterans I see on the bubble are Kirschke, Ty Carter and Carey Davis. Any of them could make the team but any of them could not make the team if a younger athlete steps up.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
Redman and Summers both make it
Coach Tomlin likes position flexibility.
It seems like to me that whenever Carey Davis got the ball, he ended up with 1 less yard than we actually needed. I think he gets cut.
Redman and Summers can share running back and fullback duties. Tank can play special teams, I’m not sure about Isaac, but he sure looks like he could be coached to.
I’m sorry for Davis, but after the first preseason game, it looks like Summers and Redman have more upside, and can do Davis’ job too.
by LongTimeSteelerFan on Aug 16, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions
what?
Sorry, but you are missing something here. Last year whenever we needed a FB, we used TE from Lions not Davis, because Davis sucked at blocking. Whenever we used him as a short yardage runner, he lost yards not gained them! But he was above average Special teamer.
So what kind of flexibility are you talking about?
And insert Summers here: He is
- a really good special teams player,
- a really good blocker too,
- can emerge to a good short yardage guy,
- young and has room to develop!
Redman:
- a monster of short yardage runner,
- has a fluid running style (a la Bettis) which gives him a potential long yardage gains,
- a willing special teammer,
- young and has room to develop!
and the best thing is — when Summers block for Redman at GL almost every time they score TDs (already have 5 TDs in this scenario. 3 in training camp, 2 vs Cards)
Bye bye Davis! You spent 3 years to develop, you had time and didn’t show s#it… Sorry…
Let me fix this for you
Summers here: He is
- a decent special teams player in 1 game, and in high school
- seemed okay blocking 2nd string guys, did not block in college at all
- MAY be a good short yardage guy, has proved nothing at the pros or in practice
Redman:
- ran great against scrubs
- like every other RB that steelers gets a hard on for he is bettis-like…right
- Redman is willing to be a special teammer, but sucks at it
- There are tons of division 2 guys out there that are young and have room to develop
If Davis goes, I expect Johnson/McHugh to lock him out, not Summers/Redman. Or I could see Johnson/Summers/McHugh. I hope he goes, but Redman and Summers both making the squad are steelers nation pre-season fantasies at their finest.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
Redman ran against scrubs? He punched in 3TDs against the number 1 defense in the league yesterday.
by John Stephens on Aug 17, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
he hasn’t looked bad yet….granted, I’d like to see more before I annoint him anything
by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Aug 17, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t read that until below, so I apologize. It definitely ups his stock.
Was it during a real game? No.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
can't argue with that
but he did do it against Deebo, Woodley, Hampton, Troy, Aaron and the rest of the big boys….that’s not chopped liver
by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Aug 17, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
No one said it was
But I expect him to get carries if we get all the goal line carries in the next game. Maybe, hopefully a few carries against their 1st team Ds.
As I see it now, its Davis and Redman.
by John Stephens on Aug 17, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d like to see that too. I’d also like us to go for it on 4th and 1 in the superbowl instead of (wisely last year) kicking a field goal.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
Go big or go home
I don’t care that kicking the field goal was the “right” play. If the kick is close enough that even the paperboy could make it, then the right play is manning up and just sticking it in the end zone. Lose the skirts and pull on the big boy pants already.
by barnerburner on Aug 17, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
I’d like to see him vs. Wash, Buffalo and Carolina’s 1st teamers….I’m sold on Davis being on the team though
by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Aug 17, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sold on it per say
But if he is more rounded he has to get the spot. Hopefully, on the PS which ever of Redman or Summers drops down can get the practice at ST and be an asset in the future.
by John Stephens on Aug 17, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
There is not a single chance in hell that Redman or Summers don’t make the PS if they do not make the 53.
If Redman can score 90% of the time from the goal line, I don’t think he will need any other skills to make the team. He’ll need to perform at a high level all the way through pre-season though, and that is going to be hard as his body takes a beating. I think he has lined himself up to be one of the last cuts though, if he doesn’t make it.
I share others opinions that I would like to see Mendenhall and company run behind Summers/Johnson, and see what comes of that.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
amen to that
if Mendy can handle it Redman is not needed….I think Summers’ blocking ability and ST edge give him a big lead over Redman for the roster spot….so far
by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Aug 17, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
From what I saw of Mendy
He sucks at hitting those holes like Redman. And Redman seems to make the correct decision to bounce outside better than Mendy. However, we are looking at a small sample size for both guys.
Don’t get me wrong, I would love to have Rashard prove he can do what Redman has done so far. That would make our roster an easier calculation.
by John Stephens on Aug 17, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, Redman makes much better reads than Mendy.
I think the Mendenhall at WR look might be a sign that Moore might be moved for Redman.
Mendenhall shows he can fill third down back duties, Moore isn’t needed as a Punt Returner, and all of a sudden it is Moore as a back up runner vs. Redman. Redman can win that because he can punch it in.
Mendy beating out Moore is the hard part here, Moore is an awesome third down back and I would hate to see him go, but I am willing to bet Redman will not make this team if we keep FWP Mendy and Moore.
Redman will not play FB, because when you want a lead blocker your going to want your short yardage back. It doesn’t make sense running him as a FB, all his scores have been from TB.
by Phantaskippy on Aug 17, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
Who is your short yardage back if Reman is cut?
by John Stephens on Aug 17, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Mendenhall
would get the carries, he’s not looking as good as Redman, so we’ll see.
Redman could also make it by straight up beating out Mendenhall for back up runner, it’s a long long shot, but that’s another way.
by Phantaskippy on Aug 17, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't like Moore with a loaded box on 3rd and short
But I don’t like Redman out in the flat on 3rd and a few.
Kind of sucks we can’t have both, hello Mendenhall please fulfill your potential.
by John Stephens on Aug 17, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he needs to step up and take one of those spots.
Right now he’s just 2nd best at everything.
by Phantaskippy on Aug 17, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
the number 1 defense
I see that someone is “juking the stats”?
* Redman was stopped a second time, on his fifth carry, as a single back when Scott Paxson blew up the play. Redman juked a few times and nearly reached the goal line anyway.
"He’s pretty good," Hoke said. "But next time out we’ll probably shut him down all three times."
So we know that Paxson was in for at least one of the drives, since when was he part of the first team defense? Hoke clearly implies he was part of at least one.
I guess Paxson and Hoke are taking over for Brett and Aaron, good to know.
I really hate to ruin the drool-fest going on, this kid sounds for real. But there is a lot of hype going on here. Redman still sounds like he has already surpassed Davis…do the steelers carry 5 RBs? I don’t know about that. They didn’t last year.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
our D with Paxson and Hoke starting
would still be top 7 or 8 in the league though….I’m not drooling (yet), just liking the direction this is going….short yardage situations HAVE TO BE better this year….we dodged bullets last year alot, but eventually it will bite us
by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Aug 17, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
You have no clue if that’s even the case.
When A. Smith went out two years ago our D certainly didn’t look very good. Was A. Smith in this drill? Was Ike Taylor? Was Woodley? Was Troy? I don’t know the answers to these questions, but I do know that our first team wasn’t on the field.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
He carried all 7 goal line attempts
And I think 4 were against 1st team and 3 were against 2nd team. Maybe that Paxson stop was on one of the 2nd team carries? I don’t know because I am not sure what article you are quoting.
by John Stephens on Aug 17, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
http://pit.scout.com/2/888965.html
On a re-read, and thanks for calling that out, I’m completely full of crap. He scored 3 times against the first-team, and then the other stuff.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
Who knows
I guess I am not drooling over Redman, more of the fact that their is a competition for that spot. Instead of Summers, or even Davis to a lesser extent, just being awarded it this unknown kid is coming in and throwing up question marks in everyone’s pre-thought 53-man roster. I love it.
by John Stephens on Aug 17, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Any other UDFAs milling about? There was some hype about Grisham, but that seems to have died down recently.
I worry that they will try to protect Summers because of his draft pick and let Redman slide to the PS, if they are at all close.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
I have no idea
But I thought I heard someone say you could protect 8 players on the practice squad. Is that true at all? I don’t know all the logistics of roster-ology.
by John Stephens on Aug 17, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
You can protect them, but everyone gets a shot at your guys going onto the practice squad. If other teams like what they see in whoever we put there, they can lay down an offer. The steelers can typically response to that offer.
On this whole goal line drill…that article mentions that Capizzi has been flexed at tight-end. I wonder if he lined up there at all for the drills? I know they aren’t playing a vanilla first-team offense because Wexell mentions Summers and Johnson as blockers. I’d be very happy to bring in the tackle as the tight-end when the world knows we are punching it in.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
Man would I love to see a Cowher style telegraph the play and make it work anyway goal line situation. When you can do that, and you have a great defense, you can beat anybody.
by Phantaskippy on Aug 17, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
UDFA's:
LB’s Korte and Schantz – their only chance of making the team is on ST’s, and we have a lot of those guys right now including Bailey who isn’t a lock to make the team.
DL Steve McLendon – would have a shot if not for Ziggy and an impressive Harris (if he stays that way). Would still have to beat out Eason.
S Richardson – haven’t heard a peep. CB is packed with picks, but safety is a little thin. Would have to beat out Carter and/or Mundy, which is doable.
WR’s Grisham/Black – the top 5 WR’s on the team are blatantly obvious. PS at best.
QB Reilly – a more hyped UDFA coming in, but haven’t heard much. Good luck beating out Dixon or Batch.
There are a couple other guys that have been around a little (Vincent, Sherrod, Nance, Czech, etc), but I wouldn’t bet on any of them. Obviously we already know about Foster, Capizzi, Legursky, and Redman.
charity standing orders
Always fun to project...
I think deweybeachde nailed it with some exceptions. Lazy Sunday morning, so here’s my take:
RB (5) Parker, Mendy, Moore, Davis, Summers
(Get over it, Davis is going nowhere. He’s a BA and Tomlin favorite, Redman could still make a push, but Tank is more versatile. Plus, Redman would be easier to sneak on PS)
WR (5) Ward, Holmes, Sweed, Wallace, McDonald
QB (3) Ben, Batch, Dixon
TE (3) Miller, Spaeth, McHugh
OL (9) Starks, Kemo, Hartwig, Essex, Colon, Stapleton, Hills, Urbik, Foster
(the last 3 have to be on the roster, otherwise someone will snatch them befor they make the PS. They have the most upside. The Big Legursky and Shipley are redundant, so we can risk losing one. If Stapleton is done, Legursky makes the squad. Capizzi and the rest are retreads)
DL (7) A. Smith, Hampton, Keisel, Hood, Hoke, Kirschke, Harris
(Tough call between Harris and Eason. Eason was a good back-up last year. I think they’ll keep Harris because he’d likely not make it to the PS. Plus, Hood can replace Eason’s contributions immediately.
LB (9) Woodley, Farrior, Timmons, J. Harrison, Frazier, Fox, Davis, Bailey, Woods
CB (5) Taylor, Gay, K. Lewis, Burnett, Madison
(Ratliff could push Madison, but I think Madison is too valuable on ST. Plus, Townsend can swing as back-up CB and free safety)
S (4) Troy, Clark, Townsend, Mundy
(Little Evil is out. He is so slow and I think 34 this year. Mundy has to make the team as a hedge in case we lose Clark next year. Need some youth at Safety, as Troy and Clark will undoubtedly be hurt some time this year)
ST (3) Reed, Sepulveda, Warren
by Seattle Stiller on Aug 16, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions
even with townsend going safety & cb thats a pretty shallow secondary because its one person backing up 4 different players. as you said clark/troy will be injured part of the year & if taylor or gay would get injured during that time we would be starting either a rookie drafted end of 3rd rd or madison at CB. not good news especially since you pretty much need 2 safeties and 2 CBs out there on defense at all times. i think if carter gets cut ratliff will be on the team or vice versa
even with townsend going safety & cb thats a pretty shallow secondary because its one person backing up 4 different players. as you said clark/troy will be injured part of the year & if taylor or gay would get injured during that time we would be starting either a rookie drafted end of 3rd rd or madison at CB. not good news especially since you pretty much need 2 safeties and 2 CBs out there on defense at all times. i think if carter gets cut ratliff will be on the team or vice versa
you make a good point
I think you are right. Ratliff will likely make it. He is playing well. Cuts are going to be tough this year because the rookie class is good and deep.
by Seattle Stiller on Aug 25, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Stapleton possibly could go on PUP list; coaches give Tank, R. Harris good reviews
Guys, I’m thinking that the Steelers could save a roster spot and give an extended look to a young lineman (Legursky, Capizzi) by putting Stapleton on the PUP list to begin the season (he would miss the first 6 games, but would free up a roster spot).
Also, Tomlin said he’s strictly looking at Tank at the FB position because he seems to really like the “combat” in there. John Mitchell said that since R. Harris played so impressively the last game and set the bar high, then that is what he’s going to expect from him everytime he steps on the field. Mitchell also said that the trio of Hood, R. Harris and McClendon are the most advanced rookie DL as a group that he has coached during his 16 years with the Steelers.
I think S Ryan Mundy has to step up his game to make this team because S/CB Roy Lewis showed up a lot more in this game than he did, especially on special teams. I wouldn’t be surprised if the backup safeties on this team end up being Roy Lewis and Keiwan Ratliff.
Redman
just scored 5 times in the goal-line drill according to Wexell’s twitter. 3 against 1st team, 2 against 2nd team. Hartwig being back certainly helps the first team, but still, that’s huge for Redman’s stock.
by TheMostViolentTeam on Aug 16, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions
Redman
Wasn’t Frank “The Tank” Summers his lead blocker today ?
by deweybeachde on Aug 16, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
According to JimWexell:
Redman’s fullbacks on TD runs: 1-David Johnson, 2-single back, 3-Sean McHugh and Tank Summers, 4-Summers, 5-Summers.
by John Stephens on Aug 17, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea
I understand what you’re saying, and I’m letting you know right now, that there’s a pretty good chance Davis makes it over either Redman or Summers, probably Summers, even though Tank does lead the way for Redman pretty damn well.
For me, I won’t lose faith in Tomlin but damn straight I’ll be pissed off. It’s just not the Steeler way of keeping 2 rookies over a veteran, though. And plus David Johnson looks like he could be one mean blocker from the H-Back/Fullback position. I could also see McHugh @ starting FB if Summers is cut.
As of right now, after one week of preseason, my bet is that Redman makes it, Summers, Johnson to PS, much to the outrage of our fans, but that’s just what it looks like so far. We’ll get a better picture when we see how well Summers does when he gets carries down by the goal line (ahem Bruce Arians, wink wink, nudge nudge).
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Aug 17, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn, Sloth aka A.Q Shipley isn’t gonna make the team? That sucks.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
redman and tank...
during the goal line drill redman had 7 attempts, five scores, one disputed, one stuffed. is he a fluke? maybe, but three against first team d speaks volumes. the reason he was the only back to carry the ball was to find out.
i was really hoping the tank was our man, but it appears he likes fullback…warrior type…likes to hit people. reminds me of when kryder came on to the scene and put ray lewis on his butt.
I want to see him do it again. The first team gets mad when they give up a TD, real mad. Heck they get mad when the back-ups give one up. To give up 3 for 3 to a rookie. . . let’s see how the goal line drill looks next time. If he can put in one I’ll remain impressed, more than one I will be very impressed.
It may be practice, but those guys take that drill seriously, it is a matter of pride for the defense.
by Phantaskippy on Aug 17, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
tank at full back will be nice
maybe we will run with a lead blocker and actually give our back a chance to hit the hole instead of running out of the 2 te system we ran out of all last year. i love redmans running he hits the hole fast and doesnt try to get to fancy with cut backs and jukes he just trys to get yards. unlike fwp who in my opinion runs up the backs of blockers or trys to dance around. carey davis is a waste of a roster spot seeing as how he isnt a short yardage back and he cant catch out of the back feild and he is too sloe in the flat. i think shipley might make the team if stapleton is on the pup i dont think legursky played as well as shipley against the cards the other night. shipley actually got some push legursky needs to show something in the up coming games in my opinion.
by guns dont kill people pittsburgh does on Aug 16, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions
Gah, Save your dose of reality for the season, we can all dream BA doesn’t make the cut.
by Phantaskippy on Aug 17, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
was it Wexell
who saw Mike Shanahan at Latrobe the other day?
Some respect to: Dwight White, who wore 78, was an original member of the Steel Curtain, and the first Steeler to score points in a Super Bowl. He scored 2 as a safety, when he sacked Fran Tarkenton of the Vikings in Super Bowl IV. White was in the hospital with pneumonia for most of the week prior to that game, lost 20 lbs, and was not expected to play. He died in 2008.
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Aug 17, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
tyrone carter
what bout him..he has been a solid db for many years with the steelers and i dont feel like he is gtting worse
by jamesharrison92 on Aug 16, 2009 9:33 PM EDT reply actions
Carter???
Are you kidding me? this guy is slower than our DLinemen, do you remember the Jacksonville playoff game? He is on his way out…no need for him on the team this year. His best asset is woofing at players who don’t catch balls.
He may be on his way out.
But he has been a very solid Steeler backup for many years, there’s no denying that.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Aug 17, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Also dont dig Carter, but who would replace him?
Yeah, if Polamalu gets hurt, who is replacing him at SS?
Its a hard question, I would ignorantly especulate they would bring Clark to SS and use Townsend or Ratliff or Mundy at FS, either way, I might stick to Carter u know . I dont like him much, but I dont see a better option at the moment as SS backup. Do u?
tank v. redman
Hopefully the two will get a lot of time next preseason game. I would be interested to see tank at FB for FWP/Mendenhall and Redman w/Davis. I think we would learn one heck of a lot about tank/redman/mendenhall and davis if we mixed that up vs 1st teamers.
agree 100%
I’m not cheering against Redman but I’ve been wondering how much having a good lead blocker in helped him. Would love to see Summers and Redman both make it but I think everyone’s a little overboard on Redman right now. As of this moment he’s earned a shot in place of Justin Vincent against the second teamers. But I would love to see Tank lead blocking for Mendenhall near the goal line in the next game. It’s not what I was expecting Summers to be when we drafted him, I felt he’d be Carey Davis but better (better runner, better receiver, so so blocker, good ST guy). SO far he’s disappointed me as a runner and receiver (though of course, so has Carey Davis) but I thought he looked great on ST and very very promising as a lead blocker.
I still think even if he continues his goal line form Redman is going to have to show more to make the roster. They’re very unlikely to dress a guy, or indeed hand out a number, to a guy who only does goal line running. Going to need some special teams ability of show something lead blocking and/or receiving out of the backfield to make it for my money.
by KiwiSteelerFan on Aug 17, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope Carey dont read BTSC!
“poor” "little"Carey Davis, I hope he dont read any Steelers fanbase foruns, cause if I were him, I would feel pretty bad reading so much criticism. Its amazing how unquestionable his mediocricy is. 9 out of 10 wants the guy out! Yest it seems he won’t.Crazy innit?
Also I wonder, would he get another job in the nfl if colbert gives him the boot?
Sorry, Im sentimental today.
Wouldn't want to be the Skins this week ...
cause there are a lot of people here fighting for jobs and a lot of quality depth. I sense a serios aarrss-kicking on Saturday. I think we’re going to see a good dose of Redman carrying the rock and Tank at FB, plus both on special teams. There’s serious competition at 2nd team OL positions, LB, DL (I’m on the Rashon Harris bandwagon, even though he’s only played one preseason game, send Eason packing along with Carey Davis) and the secondary. Too bad we have to wait a whole week to see this.
Haynesworth will crush all of our rookies, single-handedly.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
What would it be like....
If Tank just ran up and gave him a quick knee to the “man zone”
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Aug 17, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
A secured roster spot?
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
rofl.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Aug 17, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
The Redskins looked disorganized and unmotivated last week, this could be a bloodbath.
by Phantaskippy on Aug 17, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Blood bath one sided only!
I predict our backs will pick up a few, no matter what they will never score!!! And we will see at least 4 sacks from our LBs .. HELL YEAH! Redskins , watchout!!
Competition to watch this week
Position Competition
WR McDonald Grisham/Baker/Nance/Williams/Black
G Foster Urbik
C Legursky Shipley
T Capizzi Hills
ILB Woods Korte/Schantz
S R. Lewis Carter/Mundy
FB Summers C. Davis
CB Ratliff Madison
OLB Frazier A. Harrison
DE S. Harris McLendon/Kirschke/Eason
NT Hoke Paxson
TE Spaeth/McHugh Johnson
Wexell is very confident that Carey Davis makes the team.
I don’t think he is that special but it seems to me that the FO and/or Coaching staff really like something that he brings to the table.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Aug 17, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions
I don’t know how to evaluate a RB for blitz reads, but maybe he does that well? That would make sense, I’d take Davis and Ben over Summers and Ben getting hurt.
RB reads on blitzes are on guys that kill QB’s, taking a straight on shot from Deebo or Troy is way worse than them going through a block and wrapping up the QB. May not prevent sacks always, but if he lessens the hit, he’s worth it. Or Ben’s worth it I should say.
by Phantaskippy on Aug 17, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Quick point...
Isacc Redman is a halfback. Anyone saying he makes it over C. Davis… come on. I want Carey Davis off this roster as much as the next guy, but unless your willing to say good bye to the I Form forever we need a FB of some sort. We don’t run I Form enough already, I’m not willing to let it go all together.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 17, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions
Made a rare appearance last year
Parker had one of his better games last year in the season-ender vs. Cleveland running a lot of plays out of the I behind McHugh. Parker loves running behind a fullback, as do most running backs. Obviously Arians would rather not do something that works.
by steeler.lifer on Aug 17, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm
I could be wrong with the him making the pro bowl, but I could have sworn that was said after the Steelers signed him last year.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Aug 17, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
whoops wrong spot. meant to post this comment further down lol.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Aug 17, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
up*
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Aug 17, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Aug 17, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
In Soviet Cleveland. . .
Life sucks at you.
by Phantaskippy on Aug 17, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
Most people who are hoping for Davis to get cut are hoping Summers can be a FB. At least, that is what I have gleaned from the skimming I have done in this thread.
by John Stephens on Aug 17, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Mambojambo session for Davis out?
Yeah, i will make a mambojambo and prey for the godzz to have Carey out of this roster!!
We will be just fine with McHugh and Tank , even though I would like to give David Johnson a spot IF he continues to do what he is doing.. foc ourse he can always come back next year, so yeah, McHugh and Tank should be our FBs this year!
My guess at what the roster will be
QB: Ben, Batch, Dix (3)
RB: FWP, Moore, Mendy, Davis, Redman (5)
TE: Miller, Spaeth, McHugh (3)
WR: Ward, Holmes, Sweed, Wallace, McDonald (5)
OL: Starks, Kemo, Hartwig, Essex, Colon, Stapler, Urbik, Foster, Capizzi, Legursky (10)
DL: Hampton, Smith, Keisel, Hood, Hoke, Kirschke, Eason (7)
LB: Deebo, Woodley, Timmons, Farrior, Fox, Woods, Frazier, Davis (8)
DB: Ike, Bill, Troy, Clark, Deshea, K. Lewis, Burnett, Mundy, Carter (9)
ST: Reed, Sepulveda, Warren (3)
Tough calls:
Redman over Summers – I don’t think they care much about draft pedigree, they just care about results. It’s early, but Redman has looked a lot better, and the precedent is there with both Davis and Russell. I’m assuming Davis is untouchable at this point.
Eason over Harris – Things could change if Harris continues to look good and Eason continues to look bad, but the Steelers have always given first dibs to vets. Harris has a chance to stay stashed on the PS.
OL – I’m not a big fan of Legursky, but with Stapleton out for now, we need another center. If Hills is still on the PS after Stapleton gets healthy, I wouldn’t be suprised to see him take Legursky’s spot. Half our roster spots would be UDFA’s. Urbik hasn’t stood out enough to win a starting position or get cut. I’m never sure what to do with Capizzi…
Davis over Bailey – Davis should be a better linebacker than Bailey, and he looked it in the first game. You can always use a good special teams player, but with C. Davis, Woods, and Fox already on the roster, I think Davis could get the nod as the better linebacker. BTW, I am officially in the Donovan Woods fan club. I see him as a solid backup this year.
The field over Ratliff – I like Ratliff, but we have too much depth and potential at CB for him to stick there. If someone can make a switch to safety and kick Carter or Mundy off the roster, then Ratliff could stick, but I’ll believe that when I see it.
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I like it
I think this is where my 53-man guess would stand right now.
by John Stephens on Aug 17, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably close
The only number that seems off is eight linebackers. The Steelers usually dress eight LBs on game days so I think there has to be nine on the 53-man roster. Same with TE, they dress three and I think Johnson has a good chance to beat out McHugh. Johnson could probably be stashed on the practice roster if he doesn’t. Hills IMO is going to make the 53 instead of either Foster or Legursky (maybe both). There is a problem at backup safety unless Mundy starts to impress. We might see a veteran safety brought in from somewhere unless they officially move Townsend back there. It’s early. Harris, Summers, Johnson, Bailey, Ratliff could all still make the 53. Some tough decisions ahead for Tomlin. It’s not as difficult as some people think to keep guys you like on the practice roster. They have put in the time with the Steelers and will know they are an injury away from getting to the 53. There are probably going to be some injuries over the next 2-3 weeks, rendering most of these speculations moot.
by steeler.lifer on Aug 17, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure we’ve kept 8 LB’s before. I think the number of spots each position gets is partially a function of how many dead weight youngsters are on the squad. We kept 9 LB’s last year, but none of the guys we have this year are as bad as Davis was last year while still being worth protecting. Even then, a couple of the “linebackers” were purely special teamers (Woods, Bailey).
Considering that Woods looks like a real player this year, and every member of the top 8 could potentially handle some playing time, I don’t think we need the true depth at LB we had last year, when really only Fox and Timmons were ready to play. ST’s might suffer a little bit, but I have a feeling that some of the rookies (Redman, Wallace, Burnett, Lewis) will step it up.
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Bailey played
in certain regular defense packages, like goaline and certain 4-3 alignments towards the end of the year.
I have NO idea why so many seem down on him- he played very well whenever asked to.
I like Bailey too
I think he’s going to be on the 53-man roster but you never know how the final numbers will shake out. It’s not so much a question of whether or not people like Bailey, it’s just an exercise in hypothetical math to satisfy everyone’s craving to predict the roster. The roster is a fluid situation and could well be different within a day or two of the 53-man deadline.
by steeler.lifer on Aug 17, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I worry
when i see these preseason bandwagons forming for certain players. A lot of guys have looked HOT in preseason, only to peter out when things start to count. Bailey did a great job at every thing he was assigned last season, and i think he has the talent and size to be a future #1 OLB. So, i’d hate to see him get beat out by some training-camp stud who fizzles in the heat of the season, ya know?
Bandwagons dont get good mileage
So many people jump on bandwagons, they tend to stop very quickly. Too much weight of expectations. Bailey was a pleasant surprise last year and I think he’s a much better football player than he is an athlete. He’s not an OLB in a 3-4, maybe a 4-3. If there’s a position for him in the future with the Steelers it’s at Farrior’s spot at ILB but even if that is beyond his capabilities, he can have a decent career as a backup and special teams player. Nothing wrong with that.
by steeler.lifer on Aug 18, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Fiala and Oslavsky
might agree with your last two sentences. And so do i.
But, i don’t think Bailey is as limited as some seem to think. At 6’4" he has good heigth for the outside, and his strength isn’t in question. He’s only around 240+, but still young. And- he’s a high-energy player who hustles at all times. At the very least i see him as a ST ace with solid talent to replace injured LBers inside or out at a stretch. With the right situation, i think he could even breakthrough into the starting lineup a year or two down the road. Anyone who as much a hitter and effort guy as he deserves a shot IMHO.
I also like what i’ve seen out of Donovan woods, and his versatility could be a real asset as a backup too….
Woods is like a diet version of what Timmons was last year. Woods has sideline to sideline range and good tackling ability but he’s lacking bulk and might not do well taking on/shedding blocks.
by barnerburner on Aug 18, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Considering Woods is a year behind a first round draft pick…I’m okay with that, and I’ll bet Woods would be happy with that comparison as well.
I thought Woods did a good job of taking on blocks in the pre-season game. He wasn’t able to shed blocks very readily, but he also wasn’t exactly out of position while maintaining his blocks. He stood up the guys out of the backfield very well. Also, his play on special teams suggests to me that he will learn to better shed blockers, as he is very adept at it there.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
After watching that little highlight reel on post game heroes, he did do much better at taking on blocks than I would’ve figured. Once he bulks up it may be just a matter of time before he’s the top backup at ILB.
by barnerburner on Aug 18, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I was a huge fan of Bailey last year, but ...
I was as thrilled as anyone else about Baileys job in Special teams last year, it seemd like in every single punt or kickoff he was one of the 2,3 first guys on the returner and he delivered amazing tackles , and that is obviously why he recieved the rookie of the year award.
BUT..
BUT.. watching him against the Cards last thursday, I realized he is far far away from being a solid OLB. His pass rushing skills are very veeeeery bad!! He is not quick enough, he doesnt have the swing to get rid of the Tackle, it was a torture watching him trying to rush the QB failing over and over again to even give pressure.. if that is what he is, sorry guys , he cannot play OLB. Believe me, Im sad about it ’cause i wanted to see him even more active then last year.
Redman Beats Summers
I know that it’s hard to draw conclusions from the first preseason game, buuuut ….
Knowing the Steelers’ conservative ways, they will probably keep Carey Davis because, although he’s not a superstar, he is a reliable veteran.
Summers is really the one on the bubble.
The decision will be between Redman and Summers, and right now, the choice seems obvious.
Honestly, I see us trading Parker (maybe during the regular season), keeping Redman on the 53 man roster, and putting Summers on the practice squad. Mendenhall would be the starter in that situation, with Moore as the number 2.
Trading Parker?
Who would give anything for him? If he leaves, he’ll be released, not traded.
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Aug 17, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
My Scenario for Trading FWP
In a few weeks, or a few months, the injuries will start piling up. Unlike last year (Mendenhall, FWP), we won’t get nailed at running back . But at some position we will be thin.
Another team will be thin at RB, but a bit thicker at our position of need, and they will have a little cap room, and they will like bringing on an experienced veteran with two rings.
Off the top of my head, here are some random guesses for teams that might be able to use Parker: Rams, Seahawks, Packers, Chiefs maybe, maybe the Bills – if Lynch’s backup goes down – perhaps while Lynch is suspended …
it’s hard to guess a team, but the general scenario seems distinctly possible … to me … in light of Parker’s lack of a contract extension, and his cap hit, and our depth at RB…
Summers can beat out C. Davis; he just has to ...
play well and show that he is just as good if not better on special teams than C. Davis is during the next 3 preseason games. And he’ll be given that opportunity.
I think Tank is a better runner and receiver (though he dropped his only pass the other night) than Davis is right now. He just has to improve his blocking and match him on special teams. And that shouldn’t be too difficult considering C. Davis only made 6 special teams tackles all year. (Yes, he knocked a Raven woozy on a kickoff return in the AFC championship game, but 6 special teams tackles when you are on the kickoff and punt coverage teams is nothing special).
Here are Carey Davis’ stats from this past year: 12 rushes for 35 yards (2.9 average) & 5 receptions for 25 yards (5.4 average) & 6 special teams tackles, zero TD’s, 1 first down picked up all year. That’s it.
I think C. Davis is very vulnerable and that Tank is better now and has more upside. Wex isn’t always right folks. Let’s let this play out and see.
by datruth4life on Aug 17, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Kreider and the Bus
Ok, will admit it, I really miss them…and what they did. Feeling nostalgic and sentimental for it really.
Redman is starting to get me excited about the running game again.
For our next game against the Redskins and Albert Haynesworth, I would love our 1st string Offense to just line up in the I, play after play, and rotate the fullbacks and halfbacks, until the coaches had seen who could do what. They could even throw a pass here and there to keep 9 out of the box.
Will Redman be another Bus, I doubt we will ever see another bus. Although I did like the idea of our retired backfield vehicle getting retreaded with tracks.
Some respect to: Dwight White, who wore 78, was an original member of the Steel Curtain, and the first Steeler to score points in a Super Bowl. He scored 2 as a safety, when he sacked Fran Tarkenton of the Vikings in Super Bowl IV. White was in the hospital with pneumonia for most of the week prior to that game, lost 20 lbs, and was not expected to play. He died in 2008.
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Aug 17, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions
Oops
Sorry, perhaps a little off topic.
Some respect to: Dwight White, who wore 78, was an original member of the Steel Curtain, and the first Steeler to score points in a Super Bowl. He scored 2 as a safety, when he sacked Fran Tarkenton of the Vikings in Super Bowl IV. White was in the hospital with pneumonia for most of the week prior to that game, lost 20 lbs, and was not expected to play. He died in 2008.
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Aug 17, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Summers at FB
I think would be awesome because so far, he has shown some decent lead blocking stuff. Also, it will be nice to have someone who is a talented RUNNER run the ball on a quick hand off up the gut. Krieder used to get 5-8 yards a pop once or twice a game on quick un expected RB run’s. Imagine that with someone who was an established college runner.
Eason
Is Nick Eason on IR or something? If not, he is a lock and RaShon Harris is out.
Also – Possibly Tyrone Carter in favor of Patrick Bailey
How is Nick Eason a lock?
Did you see the game the other night? Sonny Harris was the most active DL to take the field. On that one play where he got the half sack (it should have been a full sack), he basically took his guy, threw him to the side and exploded upfield for about 5 to 7 yards to smack St. Pierre. Eason can’t do that. Right now, I think Harris is better Hood. He’s definitely more stout at the point of attack.
hmmm…just one game though…
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Aug 18, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Well for one thing Harris isn’t guaranteed a spot, unlike Hood, and he came out playing like it with a huge chip on his shoulder. If Harris really was better than Hood at this point, I feel like there would’ve been more talk about him going into the game and fewer articles waxing poetic about Hood’s relentless motor.
I think Eason’s a lock to be on his couch hoping for the phone to ring in September.
by barnerburner on Aug 18, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember, R. Harris was injured the first week of camp with a groin problem ...
but he sure made up for it in that game. I think Coach Mitchell told us all we need to know about Harris when he said that the young DL “set the bar pretty high” with his first time performance and that he’s going to expect that from him everytime he takes the field.
There is a lot of intrigue right now with roster spots right now. Can the Tank and Redman make it? How many OL, DBs and LBs will the team keep this year? What do we have with Mendenhall? Will Burnett and Wallace be that boost the team has lacked in the return game?
Three more preseason games to figure this out.
Jim Wexell just tweeted...
that Keiwann Ratliff fell down covering Nance on an in-and-out (or something else with a stutter). Claims that will be what cut him.
Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.
DYMS, you are right, it is one game ...
but it’s not like the Tank and Harris have world beaters in front of them in Carey Davis and Nick Eason. I think Tomlin will give the rookies an opportunity to show that they deserve a seat on the bus.
This year’s draft could end up being pretty damn good for a team coming off the Super Bowl. And as always, let the play between the white lines determine who goes and who stays.
Fired up!
Datruth4life….you going to WEC in Youngstown on Sept. 2? Totally unrelated, but I’m hearing a few Steelers greats will be there.
SteelersMMA4, answer to your question is nope
The only Steelers events I’ll be doing this season are the Chargers game, the Dolphins game and maybe the championship parade next year. Other than that ….
DaTruth's 53-man roster:
Here it is, my first 53 -man roster for the preseason:
QB – Roethlisberger, Batch and Dixon (3)
RB – Parker, Mendenhall, Moore, Redman and Summers (5)
WR – Ward, Holmes, Sweed, Wallace and McDonald (5)
TE – Miller, Spaeth and McHugh (3)
Tackle – Starks, Colon, Hills, Capizzi (4)
Guard – Kemoeatu, Essex, R. Foster, Urbik (4)
Center – Hartwig and Legursky (2)
DE – Smith, Keisel, Kirschke, Hood and Harris (5)
NT – Hampton and Hoke (2)
OLB – J. Harrison, Woodley, Frazier, Bailey (4)
ILB – Farrier, Timmons, Fox and Woods (4)
CB – Taylor, Gay, K. Lewis, Burnett, Ratliff and Madison (6)
S – Polamalu, Clark, Townsend (3)
K – Reed (1)
P – Sepulveda (1)
LS – Warren (1)
Darnell Stapleton: Placed on the PUP list to begin the season
Practice squad: Nance, Grisham, D. Johnson, A.Q. Shipley, Vincent, McClendon, P. Mundy, R. Lewis
The one player I struggled with to leave off is S\CB Roy Lewis. The way he played special teams during the first game and the hits he delivered in the secondary, coupled with the fact that he can play safety and corner does make it a tossup between he and K. Ratliffe. I would like to have a young backup at safety on this team though, but what can you do.
Glad I don’t have to make these choices. That is why Tomlin is paid the big bucks.
wrong man out
Nick Eason has to stay so does A.Q. Ship carey davis is out as well is travis k.

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