that black athletes are superior to other races in certain sporting events. It’s not just in certain postions in football that blacks dominate. Just look at track and field. Blacks not only from America, but also from the caribbean nations are the fastest in the world. Blacks have a higher percentage of fast twitch muscle fibers and a higher amount of testosterone in their blood. The fast twitch fibers equate to more power, meaning more work in less time, and thus more speed. This would not necessarily equate to more raw strength, which may explain why blacks don’t necessarily dominate in the offensive line.
  
For some reason, we are afraid to admit that racial differences extend beyond, hair, skin, and eyes. Medically, there are clear differences in race. Blacks, for example are much more prone to high blood pressure, so why is it so hard to believe that there are differences in physiology which gives blacks an advantage in certain sports.

As for your qb argument, I think it’s because most blacks who are usually faster than whites are directed at a younger age toward positions that take advantage of that speed. Thus there are simply fewer black quarterbacks in high school and college.

Yes absolutely. There is no doubt in my mind as to this fact.

Who are the best marathon runners in the world? Black people.
Who are the best jumpers in the world? black people.
Who can run down the streets of harlem and detroit and manage not to get shot? black people.

I arrest my case.

As far as the black QB issue, there have been scientific studies, and I am only quoting their results here, that on average the Black IQ is lower. I dont place a lot of money on IQ testing, but there is a common thread here in some ways:

What are the 3 positions most often claimed to require the most intelligence on the field, QB, OL, and MLB (defensive QB much of the time) typically. These positions also correlate with a higher percentage of white personnel.

Observationally, I definitely think there is a genetic component. I had heard that blacks do possess more fast twitch muscle fibers and this would make sense but I don’t have the research to prove it (I’m sure it’s out there). Which is why I think Jimmy “the Greek” was unfairly attacked.

But, I also find it fascinating how if we agree that blacks are genetically superior, why is it that white players dominate the QB, center, TE positions? Actually, I know there are more white QBs but not sure of the ratio for center, guard, te positions

many have wondered this for a long time.

Could it not be that through slavery in the 1800’s that african americans gene pools were so manipulated that their genes are just that much better?
Think about it.
Via the slave trade, typically, weaker blacks were killed or died off. (That’s just fact)

Therefore, there are that many less “weak” genes, and a greater % of stronger ones.

Simply put, their gene pools were manipulated.

There is scientific evidence to support the obvious: there are physiological differences between different races. Some of those differences are contributing factors to athletes succeeding in one sport or another. There is no scientific evidence to support the notion that any race is more intelligent than another.

does anyone have the breakdown percentage of blacks v. whites in the NFL or other sports?

I think Jimmy the Greek has risen from the dead. Run for your lives!!!

Why? Was Jimmy so far off? I think he was accurate and the obvious amount of black professional athletes supports this. I don’t think it’s an unfair bias at all. Is it somehow politically incorrect to complement another race for their genetic prowness? Is it a “no-no” to have straight forward discussions, commentaries, and opinions about the breakdown of race in sports? I don’t think so.

After an quick, unofficial survery, the following teams have black starting QBs:
Wash- J. Campbell
Phil- McNabb
Detroit- Culpepper or (Stafford)
Tampa Bay- BL, Freeman
Jacksonville- Garrard
Oakland- JaMarcus Russell

Obviously only 2 of those guys Mcnabb, Garrard have had any real success…even Garrard must respond with a big year to hold off the critics. So basically you have McNabb as the only true, bonafide black, superstar QB.

But, there are no (not that I can think of) white CB’s…and that includes 2 starting CBs for each team…plus nickle CBs…that’s a huge disparity. Can anyone name any white CBs?

…there’s plenty of diversity in the Black gene pool just as there is in the white one.

But the history of the middle passage and slavery cannot be ignored. As dreadful as it was in the U-S, it was unspeakably worse in the Caribbean, where slavers had to constantly import more slaves simply to keep the population constant. Tropical diseases and the dangerous work in the rum and sugar plantations were a death sentence for tens of thousands. As the saying goes, only the strong survived. And it was the strong who had children.

I read a book called “Breaking the Chains” last year, which detailed the effort to abolish slavery in Britain and the British Empire. It was a terrific read, but spared no details of a stunning history largely unknown to me.

And, of course, long distance running is a way of life in parts of East Africa, so the great marathon runners often are Kenyan and Ethiopian. And people in the Andes, born at great altitude, have the largest lungs of all humans. Yeah, there’s genetics mixed with environment in all of us.

The blood of my parents and my ancestors runs through my veins. The history of my family and my people is my history. And so it is with each of us.

But the problem I have even discussing this topic is that it has been used to great evil. From the eugenics movement that began in the U-S early in the 20th Century to the myth of the Master Race to the practice of segregation, we have seen that it’s not a great distance from honest intellectual discussion to discrimination, human suffering, or worse.

This topic is a mine field. You have to tread very carefully, and a wiser choice is simply not to go there.

As a Former student at Oregon State University. I once spoke to an Antropology professor about this very subject in the context of physical growth. He said it is a geographical evolutionary phonomenon. He went on to say that is a situation in which Africans (blacks) have been on the earth longer than their white counterpart. Which allow for ablilty to adapt to certain terrain(distance runners), have great jumping ability etc. He also went on to say that black tend to develop muscle quicker due to their genetic make up.
But as we all should know is that there are world record holding Scandinavian high jumpers that exist. As for as the methol cigarette and chicken eating thing goes. Thank God for more intellectual input (Mecham). And as far as the high blood pessure thing goes. The fact is. Black slaves were forced with high concentrations of salt when being transported to other countries as slave laborers. This was used to preserve their bodies.
Anyway, I think this was a great discussion. Thoughts? Go Steelers!

But it’s sure good to see it’s been handled pretty well here I guess. I will say this, it is hard to tell if PixburghArn is serious or joking. But I hope he’s joking, because I’m laughing (is that racist?).

Eric Smith was a CB, but I believe he has now been moved to safety. So that is not much help.

The Jets have a practice squad RB named Woodyard I think, he’s white.

Brian Leonard is now a Bengal. He is listed at HB, but was an undersized FB in college and is yet to do anything at all in the NFL.

Those are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head.

That black American athletes are so much stronger, bigger and more gifted physically is that (unfortunately) our nation has a long-dead but still relevant history of slavery.

 During the days of slavery in America black folks were (sadly and wrongly IMO) considered “animals” and, as such, were bred for size and strength. That’s why American black folks are generally larger physically that African black folks.

It’s also why black folks in general from North America are larger and stronger than other people of color:

 Because slave-owners bred the stronest and smartest and toughest together.

 All in all, it is a sad, tragic and embarrassing fact of our collective American history, but one that pays great dividends to those very gifted black athletes who, in a roundabout fashion, have come to great wealth because of the awful tendencies of past slavery.

 All that said- not ALL black Americans are big, strong superathletes, of course. And there ARE a large number of white Americans who could, and probably SHOULD be playing WR, RB, CB etc in the NFL. As far as that goe, i think there has begun to be a bit of “reverse-racism” in coaches thinking that white guys can’t run, jump, or catch.

 History, in toto, is never pretty or nice, but it IS important, and affects us all every day. Black Americans gained a degree of physical advantage through the “breeding” practices of slavery, but paid a tragic price in the loss of family connections and the horrible perception of their being “animals” instead of human beings.

of SD was an outstanding NCAA RB, but was made a “FB” in San Diego.

Patrick Hillis had several back-to-back 100yd games as a backup RB in Shanahan’s last year as HC in DEN, but is now listed as a FB again.

Brian Leonard was a Ravens safety who made big plays against the Steelers last year.

A few white guys at positions normally filled by black guys off the top of my head.

I do occasionally notice that white RBs tend to be made into FBs when drafted to the NFL.

 My hope, overall, is that every man is seen and utilized for who and what he IS, and not for who or what he “should be”.

and that was intention when posting. Does anyone have any clue or guess what other postion there are more white guys than black guys, obviously we know QB,…my guess was center. Not sure if thats true or not.

Thoughts?

thanks Johnny, I noticed after I posted. I was thinking about other positions besides kickers.

why so few black kickers? I have no earthly idea but I’m sure PitsburghArn has some thoughts :)

white,black, chinese, purple, green, blue who gives a flying rat’s ass about skin color????

And I think it deserves a thoughtful response, so here goes…

First of all there are a couple of books that I reccommend to everyone on the mythology of genetics, fast twitch muscles and that sort of thing. The first is a current bestseller Outliers (I think that is the correct spelling) by Malcolm Gladwell. It has some very non-intuitive information on group success, and would benefit everyone here. The second is The Race Myth, the author slips my mind right now, but it speaks to the issue of Evolutionary Biology and the fact that what we call race is more of a cultural construct than a biological or genetic reality. It, in particular, addresses the question of ‘fast twitch muscles’ and related issues.

Second, lets look at Rod Woodson. Just elected to the HOF, first ballot. Elected to the NFL 75th anniversary team when he was just in the league seven years (the point where Troy is in his career now). Second fastest player in the league (behind Darryl Green) when he played. World class hurdler. Woodson is bi-racial. His mother is white. So, how come he out performs more ‘purebred’ African-American athletes? Let’s not forget Franco Harris either.

More to come.