5 Steelers that need to go
by PITT3639 on Aug 3, 2009 11:37 PM EDT
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ook I mostly love all of the Steelers but some of them just dont do it for me. Whether it is their lack of talent or just the fact that I do not understand how they made it onto our storied franchise. Heres my list.
5. Tyrone Carter 
I'm not gonna lie, I love Tyrone. I have had so much joy over the years saying "Ey look Tyrone Shoes is in the game." He made quite a few good interceptions last year most notably the Browns game at the end of the year. But really why does he still need a roster spot? Isn't there some young safety out there that can take his place? Obviously the Anthony Smith era went over like T.O. on Dallas but I feel like we have some in our system. How about Ryan Mundy? Or any FS' we passed up in free agency such as Sean Jones. Really in the end it comes down to for me that the dude is 33. Someone out there is better then him.
4. Charlie Batch 
This one is definitely tough. Batch has been one of the most solid backups and beloved quarterbacks in the Steel City for years but I think his time as come. The best scenario for Charlie now would to become a QB coach or some person in the organization and mentor the younger players. This year it looks as if Dennis Dixon will beat him out for the number two spot anyway. So if he is going to be the 3rd string qb why keep him along? Bring in new blood and let Charlie mentor the qbs on the roster. I know we have Ken Anderson as the qb coach but I feel as if having Batch around can only mean good things for Ben and company.
3. Carey Davis 
Carey really bothers me. His services seem more useless then Amy Winehouse. Honestly this guy is completley average in every way possible. He has helped us out in the past two years but hes never really been over the top. He reminds me of some random NBA player like Fabricio Oberto that hangs around like a drunk chick at a party that won't leave. Look Carey its good that you managed a solid 4.4 ypg or the 35 RUSHING YARDS. But why dont you take those 35 yards and head elsewhere? I think I'd rather spend 35 yards on double reverses to Limas Sweed then I would feed them to you. You are not fast enough to be Willie Parker and you are not big enough to be Jerome Bettis so why bother? If we wanted a full time blocking full back then we would have kept Dan Kreider. I look forwards to Frank Summers beating you out in training camp.
2. Willie Colon 
This one is the best because when I googled you on google images the first 3 pages were of a 59 year old Cuban singer. THATS HOW GOOD YOU ARE. You cannot even crack two pages of images because a singer nobody has ever heard of his bigger. Whats best about this picture? The fact that we wont see Willie letting Ben get killed for 5 more months or the fact that he knows as average as he is he just won a super bowl? You are that bomb in the middle of a baseball lineup that bats .183 but your kept around because you sometimes come through with a pinch hit single. How you made a rise to the starting line up so quickly is beyond me. It is not coincidence that you were on the worst offensive line in football last year. Don't worry it was completley your fault. Maybe if you werent made of stone and were built like Shaq we wouldn't have this problem. But we do. You might as well be Hal Gill in football cleats. Please relinquish your job to any other lineman.
1. Darnell Stapelton 
You truly might be the worst offensive lineman in football. You know all those prized undrafted free agents the Steelers pick up? You are without a doubt not one of them. I'm certain that anyone on Pitt could do better then you. If it wasn't for our lackluster amount of talent on the line then you wouldnt even have sniffed the starting lineup. I'm considering putting all of my efforts in having Trai Essex rise to the challenge. I don't even have that much to say about you because you have done so little the past year. If you ever resign with the team then I might turn the game off when we're on offense.
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nice article
i think ryan mundy could be a great replacement for tyrone carter!
oh steeler fans if u have time watch my steelers video on youtube please :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5Ts3bBG75g
+1
Seriously, just make a fanshot and shut up. Stop spamming the boards.
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Aug 4, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions
How can you tell if you like it or not until you read it?
by John Stephens on Aug 4, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Any one that can use
Amy Winehouse and Fabricio Umberto to describe the same player gets props from me.
I hear Dixon will beat out Batch often, but never from a reliable source. Our three QB’s fill the position nicely. I’m a fan of having a savvy vet at the QB position along with a young up and comer. So if Batch is not healthy or too old or what have you, we need to bring in some one with some real game experience. But I’ve always liked having Charlie on our roster.
I enjoyed the read.
i have a feeling
Dixon will beat out Batch this season. I was very impressed with Dixon so far. not so much with Batch.
Question: Why did Hines Ward put on the perogie costume at the pirates game to cheap shout the Nationals mascot. You could see his cartoon grin through the costume.
That was a nasty hit!
I’ll leave the McGahee reference out. I’m going to be nice.
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
Was this really
written by a “Steelers fan”?
It reads more like an anti-Pittsburgh screed.
None of these players is world-class, i’ll freely admit that. But none of them are bad by any educated estimation. For gawd’s sake- Willie Colon is only 26 years old! Most OL’s don’t really “get it” until their 4-6th year in the league. He will only drastically improve, and is extremely durable. If you know how protections works you’d realize that Willie gave up very few sacks last year. And decent OT’s are HARD to come by. Period.
Tyrone has experience, and he knows the system. His physical conditioning is excellent, and he rarely makes mistakes. A great #2 FS by most accounts. Never really starter-quality, but an excellent back-up.
Darnell Stapleton is young too. And he DID play on a SuperBowl-winning OL. Like it or not, that fact is irrefutable. Just becuase it’s popular to criticize the OL doesn’t mean they deserve it. Pittsburgh has been blessed by a LOT of HOF-level linemen- it’s unrealistic to expect all our OL’s to be all-time-greats. Winning SBs is good enough for me.
I don’t have much opinion of Carey Davis. I could see him being cut. He tries hard, but sometimes that’s just not enough. He does know the system, though, and has an advantage in experience. Also- he didn’t shine much, but also didn’t make a lot of mistakes, which is important.
Charlie is a very good QB. Remember: he took the LIONS to the playoffs the last time he was a full-time starter! ’Nuff said, rite thar.
Overall, everyone has his right to an opinion, but this mostly sounded like a less-than-accurate attack on some peripheral players who contributed but simply didn’t shine during a nonetheless World Championship season.
That’s MY opinion, FWIW….
by tobiathan on Aug 4, 2009 1:30 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed with most points
Carter: Solid backup, slow as hell though, but he has the smarts to mostly compensate for his lack of speed….he was the only backup safety used last season, Smith fell out of favor, i believe he has the coaches faith
Batch: Cutting Batch is like cutting Jesus…hes been so good to us. Dont cut him, let him be the number 3 QB, and continue being a father figure to many young players on offense
Colon: Is a guard whos being made to play tackle. As Tobiathan said, hes only 26, and has shown great durability. Supposedly has been having a very good training camp thus far. He was awful at times last year, but I think he can improve
Stapleton: Come on. Hes young and was undrafted. Hes a Center, who got thrown to the wolves at guard, and didnt do all that bad really, just needs some strength and footwork training….I think he could be really good in a few years, hes also been rumoured to have held his own against Hampton and Hoke in TC
I will agree with the author on Carey Davis. Go away. You cant block, you cant return, and you arent really that good on special teams either. Seems unwilling to really lower his pads and grind out yards….1st hit and hes pretty much always down. Its Frank the Tanks time now
Good stuff btw Tobiathan, hence why i used this as a reply ; )
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Aug 4, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It reads more like an anti-Pittsburgh screed.
The title says 5 steelers that need to go, and you are surprised it is negative?
I’m shocked, shocked I tell you, that there is gambling going on in this establishment.
Surprise?
Nothing to do with surprise, worldtrip.
Nice to know you’re still going out of your way to try to sharpshoot every comment i make. It’s like pissing on tree a tree cuz another dog’s in your yard……
You always seem so impressed with yourself. But that, too, is just my opinion. FWIW.
I agree with your opinion...
I don’t really get all the Carey Davis hate. Odds are he’s not going to make our backfield this year but that’s no fault of his own. We have enough RB’s for the whole AFC North, let alone just us. Who cares how many ypg the fullback gets in an offense that runs primarily out of singleback/3wr sets anyway? He was there when his number was called upon and that’s all I could ever ask for from anybody who dons the black and gold. And why wouldn’t you want a seasoned vet like Batch on the depth chart? Who knows what an NFL season will bring. Him being the 3rd string just makes our offensive unit as a whole that much stronger. Ty Carter has been a Steeler for I don’t know how long now. There have been safeties that have come and gone during that time and he’s still a Steeler. That should tell you something about his value to the team. If Mundy is really the better player, he’ll have a couple more weeks to prove it. I’m not even going to get that deep into your opinions on Colon and Stapleton. They play on the O-Line. The O-Line is the “weak” link of the team. I get it. But Stapleton came in after Simmons went down and did a nice job for the season considering he was the backup. And I’m pretty sure we don’t have anybody on the team right now that can replace Colon. It would be nice if we could suit up 11 Pro-Bowlers on both sides of the ball but the fact is not every player is going to be a superstar. It takes 53 men to build a championship team. And many of those teams are built with more than just stats and big plays. It takes hard workers who bring it everyday in practice also. If the 5 guys mentioned weren’t the type of players that championship teams are made of, they wouldn’t be here.
And-
It’s never easy posting ANY opinion here(or anywhere online). Somebody’s always gonna disagree. And- somebody’s always get cutesy and try to be funny by attacking something you said. It’s just the nature of the virtual beast.
Personally, i like Matt Jones aat WR, but some of the same nutjobs who liked Mike “Dogkiller” Vick in Black-nGold think Jones is too big a risk.
Go figure……
It just goes to show ya: you can’t please everybody all the time, so amuse yourself and FTW.
PS- I still don’t like the post, but i support your right to post all the bad fanposts you want :-)
No basis in facts
This is one of the worst posts I’ve seen in my short time on BTSC. 3 of these 5 players STARTED AND WON THE SUPERBOWL 6 months ago. Be appreciative and STOP HATING!
Red Wings-1 Max Talbot-2
by Mr.BrettKeisel on Aug 4, 2009 2:25 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Ben Rothlisburger
Heins Ward
James Harrison
Troy Palamalu
Casey Hampton
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Subsitute Woodley for Hampton
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Aug 4, 2009 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Good thing
we don’t have a Ben Rothlisburger, Heins Ward, or a Troy Palamalu on our team.
by John Stephens on Aug 4, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, Ben Raperburger. Heinz Ward. Troy Paulamoloo
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Just cause your team has no good names on it.
Ray Lewisthataknife?
Terrel Sucks?
I think Willis McGayhe mgith be the extent of the fun.
Oh well I guess that’s one sweep the Ravens get on the good side of.
(6)
by Phantaskippy on Aug 27, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
the 5...
Colon’s not going anywhere…coaches are high on him, and we’ll see him re-upped.
Agreed wholeheartedly on Davis….and please….stop trying to get him the ball on that little swing pass. It never works, and was very nearly a pick-six in the SB.
Carter….I think we all feel the same way. Serviceable ’til someone else comes along.
Batch…reluctantly agree
Stapleton….absolutely, more I watch last year’s footage (particulary the SB, and yes, I know it was Dockett), the more it’s amazing we won with this guy.
Minus Davis
Everyone one of these guys on the list has a purpose for the team.
Batch, is not a starting QB anymore but if Ben goes down I have no problem with Batch being in the game.
Stapleton is a serviceable back up, he is not a starter but when you can plug a guy like him and his sub par talent for an entire season and win the super bowl, ill take it.
Colon? Really? He was there best o-linemen last year and most seasoned guy on the line, and you want him to leave? And can I ask who you would replace him with? It wouldn’t be a free agent guy because we tried to do that this past off season and here we are our o-line still intact.
Tyrone Carter may be slow, but that’s why he is a safety not a corner. He has a nose for the ball and is a more than capable back up for Clark and Troy.
All these guys have a role on the team and do it incredibly well; they are also good locker room guys.
by daburgh73 on Aug 4, 2009 8:51 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm honestly sick of the Batch hating
Good god. He has been a reliable back-up, who could have left us and gone to start for many other NFL teams. Instead, he stuck by us and played a roll he did not have to. Every opportunity he has gotten, when Ben has gone down, he has performed very well.
Why is everyone so ready to boot him out the door? It makes no sense, especially since you have absolutely no idea how Dixon can play in an NFL game.
by John Stephens on Aug 4, 2009 9:15 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
batch
True actually……and I’ll take back my support for him “having to go.” that said, it was nice having Lefty here last year. I wrote a piece last year, after the Batch injury, entitled, "How are we less f***ed, examining who would be best leading the Steelers over the long haul, Lefty or Batch, and concluded we woulda been less f***ed with Lefty, but f***ed nonetheless.
That said again, should Ben be out for a game or two, I’ll take my chances with Batch right now, rather than Dixon.
I like Tyrone Carter…..sad day when he’s no longer a Steeler…..but we saw what happened against the Giants when he had to fili in on base D.
I'd love to see you write an article on Batch vs. Dixon
That would be interesting.
by John Stephens on Aug 4, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
you got it....
I’ll give it a shot, Johnny. I’m not very conversant with Dixon, but lack of knowledge hasn’t stopped me from spouting off previously. Would go with “Wich way are we less f***ed…Volume 2” but I’d better modify it for this site.
We really don't know anything about Batch or Dixon's value
until we see how Batch recovered from his injury and what Dixon has learned in the offseason… Preseason will tell the story here and anyone who makes a case for either being the #2 before that is just guessing.
by SteelerFan Ben on Aug 4, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
batch v dixon
I’m thinking of its for multiple games, dixon might get the nod. Wouldn’t disagree for a minute though, if we are up 17-10 in the 3rd and BB goes down, Batch is going in.
Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
by TXcheesesteak on Aug 4, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah if Ben’s gone for more than two games the season’s probably toast anyway.
by Phantaskippy on Aug 27, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
this list
1. Davis- Agree. I hope he gets cut.
2. Cater- Disagree. Good backup and vetern prescence.
3. Colon- Disagree. Like it or not, he is here to stay. Coaches like him and his potential.
4. Batch- Undecided. Has not played in so long needs time to shake off the rust. I’m hopeful free agent QB impresses, gets a year on PS and then beats Dixon out for backup duties next year.
5. Stapleton- Disagree. Good young talent. Had some rough moments last year but it’s part of the process. Will be a good backup with experience on a SB team.
agreed with all points Mike
The Stapleton bashers really don’t know what they’re talking about. For where he came from and the position change he made, he was pretty impressive last year at 22 years of age. Had some low moments no doubt but also was better than average in some games, including his first against Jakcsonville (0 sacks, 100+ rushing yards) and in playoffs against SD.
Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)
by Michael Bean on Aug 5, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s at least worth a back-up spot, and is probably not a bad starter if he had talent around him.
by Phantaskippy on Aug 27, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
4. free agent QB Mike Reilly from Central Washington. Ron Jaworski (sp?) from ESPN
was really high on this guy and thought he has real potential.
Very Good Post!!
And also very well written (funny as fuck)!!
I couldnt agree more, I think those 5 players are exactly the same I would choose if I had to!
Even though I think Tyrone Carter could stay as a backup, I wouldnt mind. Actually we kind of need him now for depth.
As much as I hate Colon, I wouldnt mind having him as a backup or forced into RG.
But I would give the boot to Stapleton and Davis in a second though.
And Batch, well I would place him to learn being a QB coach because he is very mediocre as we know and Dixon clearly deserves the second spot imo…
But yeah they are surely 5 players I could easily live without anyway..
my thoughts
Carter: I never had a problem with him, but it is getting around that time where he is replaced by youth. Thats expected though. He has served the Steelers as a fairly reliable back up.
Charlie Batch – Batch would be an above average 3rd string QB. He’s smart, hes experienced, and he WANTS TO BE A STEELER! He hit a serious injury last year so give him a little to lay off the rust. Still, i don’t see him doing much from here on out anyway so why not let him be the 3rd string QB?
Colon: We all have our problems with him but yea, hes flexable and has some shining moments. His biggest problem is his mind set. He makes stupid mistakes like holding and false starts, thats the #1 concern. Those problems are fixable though. Hes not as bad as we make him out to be but hes not as good as the coaching staff claims he is. Still, I wouldn’t say get rid of him.
Stapleton: Are you serious? He’s a back up who was thrown into the ring with no experience. I thought he preformed better than expected all things considered. Sure he had his downs but its not like he was a 2nd round draft pick or anything for crying out loud. I see him as a below average starter but an above average back up. You want to hang on to those players.
Davis: I’ve spent most of my time defending Davis before but like people have pointed out he doesn’t really bring anything to the table. Yea, he has good hands for a FB but we have enough recieving options as is. How often do we throw to him anyway, maybe 5-10 times a season? It would be worth more to have an above average blocker or runner. Someone as big as him should be able to shed a tackle from time to time as well. He doesn’t really do anything, he is kind of just there………….and he doesn’t need to be.
reality check
ok we can rid of them. any suggestions on replacements? maybe Brady for 2nd QB or Hutchinson for OL, oh forgot, they might not fit under the salary cap. All of these guys make minimal (or close) bucks so not sure you gain a lot until you got a better answer. And Colon, you get rid of a young decent tackle when you have zero behind him??? We know we know, heard it a million times how bad he is. I tell you what, if he were to get cut right now by the Steelers there’d be a food fight around the league to snap him up. If you doubt it, wait until next year when he’s a FA.
Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Haha negative?
I’m not sayin that I hate all of these guys. If your on the Steelers for more then a day then your the man. I respect every athlete in the Burgh. And ha the best part is those of you that say im not a Steelers fan. I can bet my life im just as much or more of a fan then most of you. I’m not bein a jerk i’m just sayin i’m a loyal Steel City fan. You don’t like what I write? Then go read somethin else. I’m gonna say what I want.
I like these players and i’m not expecting any of them to become world class all pro athletes i’d just like to see more out of them. So i’m not sure why anyone takes this personally. Hey anyone that read this are any of you related to them in anyway? I doubt it. Have a personality.
Have a personality?
Not sure why you decided to make personal attacks on anyone, but I’ll negate it.
No one is telling you you can’t voice your opinion. Not that I read at least. They are just voicing their opposition to your opinions (their opinion). If you cannot take the opposing comments, then maybe you shouldn’t write?
Don’t get me wrong, I have nothing against your post, I am just playing the devil’s advocate I suppose.
by John Stephens on Aug 4, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I do think it is wrong
for people to say he must not be a Steeler fan because he voiced an opinion. I get that sometimes because I am not unabashedly biased on the side of the Steelers players in every possible scenario.
A lot of the players on this list we don’t have a replacement for. We are thin at safety, Mundy and Lewis don’t look good, and our backup safeties have a tough job when they play, Carter has been up to that responsibility.
We have 3 QB’s, two of which have NFL experience, we don’t cut Batch, even if Dixon is the better QB, we will keep three.
Carey Davis, we all want someone to beat him out and bring more to the table, it’s just not likely to happen this year. But man I would love to see it.
Our O-Line is bad, and I would love to see someone come in and grab anyone’s job on that line. It would mean we got better. Until that happens you don’t cut the guys who just played through a post season victorious unless you don’t need them to start or be back-ups, esp. when one is 22 and got thrown around position wise last year. Very few 1st round picks do better than he did in their first year, so let’s give the kid some time.
Overall if you make a fan post you will get a lot of strong reactions, if you just want to throw out your thoughts, post on someone else’s post as a reply, then only people who like what you say reply Your post has a good look to it, and you were entertaining, but advising cutting these guys over say benching them is why you got a strong reaction.
by Phantaskippy on Aug 27, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Written, But Wrong
Your post was well written and humorous, but wrong. Worst OL in football last year? Son, the worst OL in football wouldn’t win their division, never mind the Super Bowl. It’s statements like that which make it hard to take you seriously.
Thanks, but I’d like to keep Colon (a solid starter), Stapleton (a cheap backup capable of stepping in as needed), Carter (a proven backup safety) and Batch (our only experienced backup QB). Now I’m the first to say that Stapleton, Carter and Batch are replaceable. If someone beats them out in training camp, so be it. However Colon is pretty darn necessary to our OL. At worst, he’s an excellent backup that will get a big-money contract next year (and therefore the Steelers will get a compensation pick). At best he may be the best lineman on the team – and I’m eager to see what our OL can do with some stability.
Wait a minute
Whoa whoa… Colon is definitely not our best lineman. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. I would go out on a limb and say it’s between Kemoeatu Hartwig and Starks for sure. I’m really high on legursky, Capizzi, and Urbik. These guys are out to prove critics wrong. Good post.. I agree.
Ha i’m just havin fun with this thats all I want feedback because I love hearing why people say I couldn’t be more wrong. And on the Charlie Batch side don’t get me wrong I am going to be depressed the day he is released or retired. I’m just throwin it out there that hes getting up there in age and this is why we drafted Dixon you know? Come on everyone says that theres so much potential for Colon and Stapellton but I just don’t see it. I think Colon has room for improvement but I don’t see him higher then a C+ or B. But Stapelton come on? Did anyone see flashes of greatness with him last year? I think he’s average and chill out because I was over exaggerating when I said he was the worst ol in football. We’ve found plenty of diamonds in the rough over the year but I just don’t think he’s one of them.
What happened to Gary Russell?
I know the Steelers cut him in the off-season but I never heard why. He was picked up by the Bungles and then the Raiders. Was he injured?
" It's caught out of the air "
Crowded backfield
With Parker and Mendenhall coming back healthy, Mewelde Moore returning, Frank Summers being drafted, and Davis maybe sticking around, the backfield went from nearly deserted to really crowded. Russell was only called up from the practice squad last year because of injuries after all.
As it is I don’t see how all five of those guys are going to make the roster, and it’s doubtful that he would’ve been able to beat out any of them in training camp this year anyways. He did show that he can have some effectiveness in a short-yardage type role while he was with us though, so it was best for us and best for him to let him go with ample time to seek opportunities elsewhere.
by barnerburner on Aug 4, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgot one
It’s actually even more crowded because we’ve also got Stefan Logan in camp, that boy wonder scatback/returner from the CFL to compete for some kind of spot. There are a bunch of guys around here who are pretty high on his abilities and think he has a shot at sticking.
Now out of those six (Parker, Mendenhall, Moore, Summers, Davis, and Logan), I’d be pretty surprised if more than four make the 53-man roster. So yeah, that’s why Russell was released.
by barnerburner on Aug 4, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I find it interesting
how the Nation sours on certain players. If any of your choices goes away it won’t be the end of the world, I’ll give you that. But let me give a few counter arguments.
Batch: It has become trendy to say that Batch is just too old and over the hill. There has been nothing in his performance to support this position. I think a couple of things are at work here. We got spoiled by Byron Leftwich. If you think that backups of that quality are normally available then you need to deal with that drug addiction. Leftwich is a playoff caliber quarterback at least and possibly a championship caliber QB. The fact that he was available at all is indicative of an unexamined scandal. It appears that he will be starting for the Bucs. Batch has experienced limited wear and tear over the past half decade or so. Where is the evidence that his skills have declined to the point where he is a liability? The other issue is Dixon, a quality talent that most of us want to see display his wares. Fine. But if Ben were to go down for a short period (a game or two or less) I would still rather have Batch at this point than Dixon. That will change soon enough, but not yet. Plus Batch brings leadership intangibles that Dixon cannot match now or in the near future.
Stapleton: A free agent center from Rutgers who was thrown into a situation where he had to grow up in a hurry, playing out of position. Stapleton was a project at center forced to play guard. He was thrown into the fire sooner than he should have and should not be judged so harshly based upon that information. Not every player in this league arrives a finished product. You don’t see potential in Stapleton, perhaps you need to take a closer look.
Carter is a player we seem to love to hate. But this is a guy who has two superbowl rings playing a limited role under both Cowher and Tomlin. The man must have something going for him. Colon like Stapleton is a young guy coming from a Division 1AA program, meaning his level of preparation is not at the same level as someone who may come from a BCS powerhouse. The learning curve may be a bit longer but at the end he may become a very good player. Davis’ greatest value is on special teams. Judge him in terms of what he accomplishes in that dimension.
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Aug 4, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions
Remember the Batch could have won the Superbowl arguments in 2005? The back up QB is supposed to be pushing to replace the starter so we can yell at each other about which one would win more super bowls. Batch is obviously not going to inspire that argument anymore, so we need Dixon, who’s youth and potential at least allow for the argument.
by Phantaskippy on Aug 27, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Um... Wow.
Ok firstly I thought the Stapler did a way better job throughout the season than The Colon.
Secondly I cant ever say let go of Batch because every time he’s stepped in he’s like lead the league in numbers for that week. Hes like a temporary jesus. I love him.
I like Carter.
Basically I do agree on Davis but only from a play calling perspective. When we throw those goofy ass flats out to Davis, and hes got 10 yards clean ahead, but only gains 2, I throw my hands up in frustration.
Honestly though the only guy I’d want to kick to the curb is Colon, and thats only if we had somebody behind him. Sad to say, but hes been the most reliable person on the O-line.
Stapler was better than Colon for the most part
I dont understand the hate around Stapleton…..
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Aug 5, 2009 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree...
i dont see why everyone hates stapleton
yes he was undrafted but as season progressed he was getting better together with the o line
Seems like it
I honestly think, other than the stapler, the only person I’d keep in our O-line, if given the chance to redesign it, is Maxamillion Starks. I love him. But Stapler improved excellently throughout the year
Kemo has a short temper and does stupid crap. Hartwig is a good snapper but lacks in the blocking. Stapler to me is an excellent value on the line. Hes a little small but he played pretty well. He was better than the not healthy Simmons by years end.
People need to embrace the fact that we got like 16 starts out of an undrafted guy, and he was not the worst on the line by far, and so therefore he has potential.
Are you blind in one eye?
BLIND EYE: Willie Colón is one of the best right tackles in the NFL. Unfortunately, this will be his last year as a Steeler. He will command a ridiculous/receive contract from another team in 2010.
BLIND EYE: Darnell Stapleton will be the Steelers center perhaps this year, but definitely in 2010. Kraig Urbik will be the starting right guard perhaps this year, but definitely in 2010.
BLIND EYE: Tyrone Carter is great in the dime package. He is the solid backup to Polamalu and Clark.
GOOD EYE: I have no clue why Kevin Colbert and Mike Tomlin put Carery Davis on this team in 2009 when 5 other teams released him.
GOOD EYE: Charlie Batch has an incredibly weak arm, Big Ben is faster than him, & he is to short. He must be going down on Colbert or performing “tossing salad” on Tomlin to be on this team. Dennis Dixon has a stronger arm than Roethlisberger, runs a 4.5 40, has good hands, and would be perfect in the wildcat or as Slash.
I wasn't mocking the article
I said I stopped reading after the “this is my opinion and if you disagree you don’t know football” comment. But yes, I can see how you would take that to mean I don’t like any article on this site. Perfectly reasonable conclusion.
If every article that involves a sarcastic remark by you was taken to be an article you didn’t like, then yes, you don’t like any article on this site.
PITT3639 you say you aren’t from Pittsburgh but were raised to be a fan, your father did right by you and that’s good.
Pittsburgh is a bit of a crazy Sports town and everyone on this site has for the most part developed a pretty thick skin. You will have to as well. We have some great writers on this site, and we hold everyone to a higher level because of it. You will get criticism, and you will get jokes and sarcasm and even some nasty posts. Just ride it out. If you have something to bring to the site, and from the quality of your post (executionwise) I think you do, just keep reading and commenting, you’ll get used to us.
We are a little saturated with posts from new people all interested in talking about the same stuff we have been talking about for weeks. Go back over the last month in fan posts and you’ll see probably 5 debating Dixon and Batch, more than that on Carey Davis and how we all want someone to beat him out, and a ton and a half of debate on the O-line. You are going to get some snarky comments because you are walking into an ongoing argument that keeps getting rehashed twice a week.
by Phantaskippy on Aug 27, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
carter and davis yes others no
willie colon gets a lot of slack and he may not be all-pro and he is bad in pass protection as well as his penalties but he is tough as nails and he is a road grading run blocker. i think he is a better fit at guard but he doesn’t suck THAT bad. stapleton? no way do you cut. he is not a full time answer in the starting lineup but seriously, that guy as a backup is VERY solid. we are lucky to have him for depth. batch are you crazy?? he is the steadiest backup in the league!!!! he won’t dazzle but he won’t screw up either. batch is the ideal backup for us.
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