BTSC Steelers Daily Six Pack- Tuesday Training Camp Edition
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Aug 4, 2009 12:36 PM EDT
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PrintIX-Here comes a little controversy from former Steeler Larry Foote. In a recent Q&A with the Detroit Free Press, he said that the Lions training camp is more physical than the camps he participated in when he was with the Steelers. While Foote seems to be trying hard to make positive statements about the Lions, he also calls the team "dysfunctional" and also claims that the Lions' new defensive coordinator, Gunther Cunningham, is "missing a couple screws." It seems to me that Foote has been more talkative this offseason than he was the entire time he was with the Steelers. Thanks to longtime contributor PixburghArn for the tip on this article.
X-If you believe that 2nd year Steelers receiver Limas Sweed is going to make a big impact with the Steelers this season, you may want to read this glowing report from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. On second thought, you might not want to read it, since it has already raised my expectations so high for the former Texas Longhorn standout that it will be impossible for him to live up to the hype in my mind. From this article and a few other reports on training camp it really sounds like Limas Sweed is in command of the battle for the Steelers number three wide-out.
XIII-Some hack blogger was interviewed for the Good Point Blog about the Steelers, the Wildcat, and Dick LeBeau. The hack thinks that part of the Steelers success over the years can be attributed to their ability to think outside the box and not follow the trends of the NFL. According to Jim Wexell's twitter account their is a strong push for Dick LeBeau to get into the hall of fame, and Wexell says he will be following up with more details about it over at the Steel City Insider. Wexell also said Darnell Stapelton is going in for MRI's and when questioned about whether he could miss the entire season, he responded "I don't know."
XIV-Speaking of Behind the Steel Curtain's favorite beat writer Jim Wexell; you should read his free article from Steel City Insider about his initial training camp observations. In his article Wexell points out that Rashard Mendenhall has failed to consistently show he can hit holes and run up the middle the way that he was projected to do coming out of college, but he did show some signs of it later on yesterday. He also brings up an interesting comparison of how the Steelers front office and coaching staff have disagreed on their evaluation of players on the offensive line in recent years, including Willie Colon and Max Starks.
XL-For those of you who are completely convinced that Willie Parker will be packing his bags in 2010 you might want to read the Post Gazette's argument that Parker has been one of the top backs in the NFL over the last four seasons. For those of you who want some statistics to back up why Willie Parker is one of the best backs in Steeler history take a look at this paragraph:
"His 791 yards rushing [last season] gave him 4,803 in his four seasons as a starter, making him one of only a handful of runners to reach such a level. Parker topped 1,200 yards in each of the seasons before last, something no other Steeler has ever done. He is third on the Steelers' career rushing list with 4,989 yards, has the team record with 223 yards in a game and also holds No. 3 with 213. His three 1,000-yard seasons rank No. 3, 6 and 8 in club history.
XLIII-Steelergurl has spent the weekend at training camp and provided another re-cap of how the camp went. One thing that she brought up that I meant to share yesterday was Tomlin was again wearing a black cap, black shirt, and black pants during the practice to show his commitment to his players and prove that he is feeling the burden of the outside heat as much as the players are.
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Wex provides some free inside nuggets for Steelers fans
It’s up on the Steelcityinsider.com site for free, but here it is:
http://pit.scout.com/2/884593.html
A lot of good insight.
Conflict between coaching staff and management
I read Wexell’s excellent write-up of camp. I think the most interesting (and troubling) part of his observations is that the FO seems to disagree with Arians and Zeirlen on the question of talent evaluation.
We all remember watching the Max Starks debacle unfold last year. First Max took a back seat to Willie Colon then for a brief and absurd moment he polished pine behind Trai Essex. I think it’s pretty clear that the FO and the fan base both believed that Starks was a much better player then both Colon and Essex. Yet somehow the coaching staff didn’t quite see things that way.
It looks like we may have similar dramas unfolding in camp this year, with Arians and Zeirlin both singing Colon’s praises, while the rest of us scratch our head in wonder. Just for the record I am not anti-Colon. I just think that calling him one of the best right guards in the game is absurd.
Foote's comments...
Are pretty accurate, I think. The Lions are dysfunctional right now, why else would they have lost every game last year, attitude can shape your franchise, regardless of who’s on your team, your staff, your front office, if they think like a winning team, and truly believe they are winners, they will win, or at least not lose every game. Gunther Cunningham is missing a few screws, most coaches are, epecially D coordinators.
The interesting statement was that Detroit’s practices were “more physical” than Pittsburgh’s. This is not a completely crazy statement. Most new coaches attempt to impose their will on their new teams. When you take into account this team has lacked discipline since Marriuci was getting walked all over was coaching this team. Attitude is everything. Toughen them up, make them more physically tough, more mentally tough. Any new coach should want these qualities, when your head coach was a D coordinator himself, expect practices to be that much harder. He did not say Pittsburgh’s practices were soft, at least to my knowledge, and let’s face it, when your that successful, sometimes practices aren’t all out wars, to say the least.
Or he’s brown nosing.
On Sweed
Great to see him excelling at this point. Best quote from the article in my mind was surprisingly from Bruce Arians:
“Then Arians paused and said: “I just wish he was a little cockier at times. That’s what wideouts need — that little edge to them. It might come out now that he’s getting more comfortable.”
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09216/988406-66.stm#ixzz0NEZmsDNY
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Arians basically summarized my thoughts on Sweed’s biggest weakness, a lack of self confidence. He’s too humble, if that’s possible.
Sigmund Bloom, from draftguystv on youtube, who’s been doing a great job monitoring training camps across the NFL, had this to say on Sweed and others on Twitter
Training Camp WR Breakout Candidates – Sweed (PIT), Meachem (NO), Morgan (SF), Ginn (MIA), Thomas (WAS), Hester (CHI), Walker (OAK)
and then on Ziggy Hood
Training Camp Rookie Stars- AFC: Hood (DL-PIT), Davis (RB-CLE), Norwood (WR-CLE), Turner (WR-MIA), Ringer (RB-TEN), McKinley (WR-DEN)
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Aug 4, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions
Well, at least Arians didn’t say “he might be the best WR in the league”. I would be ready to call him a lost cause at that point.
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I suspect he is hoping that with such a tall frame Sweed could develop into a solid TE in the future.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
Heck
Position flexibility is a big deal. Have him work to back up Willie Colon at RG.
by SteelerBuddha on Aug 4, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
my bad. Freudian slip.
The really good news is that while Sweed is being groomed at tackle – Colon’s speed on the edge might mean that he could play TE or even be used as alternative to Ben out of the wildcat. With talent like that you don’t want to limit the guy.
by SteelerBuddha on Aug 4, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep in mind that Foote was probably not asked very many questions in Pittsburgh.
In detroit, he is their savior.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
Thats exactly what I was thinking.
In Pittsburgh he was just another pawn in Dick Lebeau’s defensive chess game.
In Detroit, he is an LB from a SB winning team.
by John Stephens on Aug 4, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
this is what is going to kill him
He was a solid guy on the Steelers D, but he wasn’t even 4th best linebacker on the team. On Detroit he’s supposed to bring a winning attitude and be a star player – playing every down. He was never a start player in Pittsburgh. He was never a great every down player.
by SteelerBuddha on Aug 4, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
He fit the scheme
And the ability of the likes of Farrior, Woodley, Harrison and the previous years Haggans and Porter helped Foote excel. Dont get me wrong, i loved Foote as a Steeler, but Timmons was a class above him in terms of athleticism and ability, he just had to “learn” the pro game
Hes expected to be “the guy” in the middle for Detroit. Hell be the one expected to open chances for the other D players….im not sure if hes going to be all that succesful. I wish him luck, but I wouldnt get my hopes up for him to be a savior.
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Aug 5, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions
6 Pack
1) Agree that Lion practices may be more physical. That’s why their games aren’t.
2) Did read the article on 14 and all I got to say is “catch the freakin’ ball Limas!”
3) LeBeau should be in the HOF. It’s a shame he is not in Canton.
4) It would be a blow if we lose Darnell Stapleton. I know someone posted that he would be one of five Steelers we should get rid of but he is an important spoke. This guy was not drafted. He plays hard. This guy is a Center. This guy was forced into starting G last year due to injuries. He can play all along the line, is the best guy on the roster right now to backup C and until Urbik develops our best RG.
5) FWP is a class act. Loved the PG article this morning. Hope he has a great year and either stays for a little less or breaks someones bank. Right now to all the FWP haters out there I say he’s the best we got and a top AFC RB.
6) Really agree with Buddah above regarding the difference in opinion between FO and Z&A evaluating talent. I’ve been saying that since 07. Right on Buddah!
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
Even if Stapleton wasn’t going to be a starter, our offensive line without him is much thinner, and it is already walking on a tight rope.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
Deebo
has a SmartCar? Sweet Baby Jesus. Did he just buy it in case he has to throw it at someone?
a dealership gave it to him on a lease…probably to create publicity for the smart car…wonder if it is working?
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Aug 4, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Was that stroy about Deebo
not blitzing when he was supposed to an old story? Like I said I’ve been out of the loop….or were you saving it for another day? :)
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
ya, a few people have posted it throughout the week here and there in different forums, but it hasn’t been in a six-pack. I just ran out of room today..I was gonna post it at some point this week.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Aug 4, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I figures as much
By the way, I’ll probably be on business in DC metro this fall sometime. It’s going to be weird. I haven’t been back there for an extended time since I graduated from high school in Maryland.
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
oh nice, we shall have to meet up for a brew or something…let me know when, etc.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Aug 4, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW..thanks for the links…I can always use them
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Aug 4, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad I could help out
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
FO and coaches
I don’t think it’s troubling that front office and coaches have disagreements. Infact, I would expect it. I think the most important thing is that lines of communication remain open, everybody has input, and they continue to work together for the betterment of the team.
Also, as far as personnel questions, these things always work themselves out over time. These decisions ultimately are decided by the players themselves in how they perform over time.
No need to extend Colon yet
I disagree with Wexell’s original premise about Colon’s contract situation and the conclusion that there is a disconnect between the coaches and front office about him. The Steelers have a huge number of veterans approaching free agency and they’ve been very successful to date getting key guys under contract with long-term deals. What they’ve done is remarkable. There are still many more on the to-do list. Colon was a restricted free agent after his third season and the team rewarded him with a high tender offer of $2.2 million. Any team interested in him would have had to offer the Steelers a first-round draft choice as compensation. They could have offered Colon a mid-range tender offer of $1.54 million which requires a second-round draft pick as compensation, while still leaving the Steelers a chance to match the offer. I doubt many teams would have been prepared to give up a second-round pick for Colon but the Steelers FO basically circumvented any possibility by going a step higher. They’ve retained the rights to Colon for another year and will be able to so again a year from now if there is no new CBA. Overall they’re doing what they need to do to keep Colon without overpaying him (too much) and without pissing him off with what might have been viewed by his agent as a low-ball offer for a guy who has started for two seasons.
In the meantime, as steelermike says, Colon’s play over the next year and the development of other players will dictate how the Steelers approach his next contract. It’s just another example of good business on their part. The same situation applied a year ago to Chris Kemoeatu when he was offered and signed a mid-range RFA offer ($1.4 million) before the 2008 season, and Trai Essex, who signed a low-range RFA offer of $927,000, which suggests the FO thinks more highly of Colon than either Chris K or Essex and are also rewarding him for his play to date. The same situation will likely apply next year to William Gay who is in the last year of his rookie contract. He will be a restricted FA next spring and the Steelers hold all the cards. His play and the CB situation will determine what level of RFA offer they give him.
by steeler.lifer on Aug 4, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The only thing I have to say is that the comment came from “The Answer Man”, who knows what he’s talking about. Whenever Wexell talks about him, I listen.
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Trust the source I guess
Just seems a strange avenue for Wexell to pursue. The fact Colon hasn’t yet been rewarded with a $25 million long-term contract is one of the biggest non-issues I can imagine with this team.
Actually, the whole Colon situation bothers me a bit. Not that he’s getting some love, but that perhaps many of us (including me) have missed a success story happening underneath our noses. Two years ago (in a press conference prior to the Steelers game in December) Bill Belichick said Colon was one of the best run-blocking OTs he had seen on film all year. Colon and Heath Miller were the only players he voluntarily described in a positive light, the other compliments were in response to direct questions. In a new story on SI.com, former NFL lineman and excellent analyst Ross Tucker describes Colon as ornery and vastly underrated. Noted contrarian analyst KC Joyner (the self-proclaimed “Football Scientist”) says Starks and the entire O-line actually graded out very well last year in terms of blocking at the point of attack. Another statistical breakdown by the bloggers at Post Game Heroes showed that the Steelers had more yards per attempt running behind RT (4.2 per carry) than any other position. This is not particularly unusual because most teams run better to the right side and the good people at Football Outsiders actually rank Pittsburgh last in running behind RT. But in light of the rather remarkable comments by Arians and Zierlein, along with the other information and educated opinion, it’s enough to make me think there is something askew in my own observations. Anyway, as with all seasons, I’ll try to approach 09 with a clean slate and take a longer look at what Colon is doing. Maybe he is one of those guys whose mistakes are so catastrophic and obvious that they overshadow the good things he does. If the Steelers are eventually going to sign this guy to a big deal, as seems likely someday, I’d like to know why.
by steeler.lifer on Aug 4, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I tend to hold FO’s opinion higher than other people’s opinions (especially Joyner’s, who is definitely not a scientist or a statistician), but that is an interesting collection of praise, and there might be something there. I remain skeptical, however.
The fact Colon hasn’t yet been rewarded with a $25 million long-term contract is one of the biggest non-issues I can imagine with this team.
That made me laugh.
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Based on the picture caption...
I knew Limas was tall, and I knew Ty Carter was short… But they couldn’t even get the two of them in the same frame? Great catch, not so great D, but hey, it is only training camp.
The picture is one of the AP photos that are integrated with the SBNation site…
If you click on the photo itself you can see the full photo with both players in it along with some other quality pics.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Aug 4, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
You know...
I was gonna make yet another wise ass comment, then I saw the actual full pic, and yeah… pretty impressive ups. In game ups would be better though.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Aug 4, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
D. Lolley said J. Capizzi has made big leap
http://nflfromthesidelines.blogspot.com/
Who is laughing at J-Peezy now? Still believe he will eventually be a better RT than Willie “Ooops, I had a brain fart” Colon.
It wouldn’t be training camp without a Capizzi-has-taken-a-big-step-forward article.
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by BadMaafala on Aug 4, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
+1
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Aug 4, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
BMF, Capizzi sticks this year & .....
he’ll be the team’s top swing lineman at the tackle spots. It’s go time for him and he realizes it. Now or never.
I agree with you, but that’s because if Essex takes RG (which it sounds like he will regardless of the extent of Stapleton’s injury) there is absolutely no depth at tackle. It’s either Capizzi, UDFA rookie foster, or has-shown-absolutely-nothing Hills.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
Good call
You know you are in bad shape when you are praying that Willie Colon doesn’t go down.
by SteelerBuddha on Aug 4, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure everyone here missed Bouchette as much as me:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09216/988534-66.stm?cmpid=steelers.xml
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
He is the master of forcing me to participate in his chats or read them later even though I am disappointed EVERY TIME I read one.
He never says anything…
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Aug 4, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
He talks about how much he hates people that ask him questions quite frequently, actually.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
Yep, Fast Eddie...
…rarely offers anything insightful (for example, today delivered a little nuggett that Foster is an UDFA from Tennessee – who knew?!?), is frequently incorrect when stating facts and appears overly arrogant when participating in both of these activities. You’d think that someone with a dream job such as his wouldn’t be such a crotchety old fart.
Couldn't have said it better myself
yet for some reason, I still look forward to them. Blech .. .. ..
RE: Capizzi, let me preface this by saying I am by no means an OL expert, but, during drills on Saturday, his feet looked much quicker than they have in the past and he also appeared to be using better technique with his arm/hand positioning. Granted, they were in shorts and shoulder pads and they were only drills. I’m rooting for this IUP kid to make the squad. He’s HUGE and if he can continue learning against pro competition, it could only benefit the team.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Aug 4, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
What's wrong with giving young players time to develop?
BMF, some young players take a little more time to develop than others. It’s just that undrafted rookie free agents don’t get the same amount of time to develop as high draft picks or regular draft picks, for that matter.
Capizzi’s biggest knocks against him in his prior bids was the depth in front of him, his needing to work on his strength, and injury. Things seem better for him this time around because there isn’t a lot of veteran depth ahead of him, he’s had 3 years to work on his strength and he’s healthy. I think it helps that he has had this whole offseason to train with the team. It’s never been about his feet or mobility. I think its more about opportunity, in this case, and this is his best opportunity to make this team and contribute.
Right now, I think the 9 OL to make this squad are Starks, Kemo, Hartwig, Essex, Colon, Stapleton, Urbik, Capizzi, & Foster. If they keep 10, then I think Hills, Legursky and Shipley would be fighting for that 10th spot.
He's had lots of chances
i haven’t seen Capizzi enough to have any kind of educated opinion about him. I’ll remain dubious until I see him. But the kid has had no shortage of chances to make an impression on somebody. He’s also been on the practise roster of the Bucs, Jets, Chiefs and Rams in addition to three stints with the Steelers. That’s a lot of reps and drills in front of a lot of coaches. He’s only 26 so there is still a chance he’ll develop. If he does, it will be a hell of a story. He’s still a longshot to be on the 53-man roster IMO. As bad as Hills has looked, most teams are going to give a drafted offensive lineman a long time to show something. I don’t see any way that Hills gets cut this season.
by steeler.lifer on Aug 4, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? If Hills shows nothing, and I haven’t read any reports more negative than the ones on Hills, then I just can’t see the steelers keeping him on unless they feel they need the tackle “depth”. I don’t think they will hold on to him due to his draft status. Bruce Davis, ditto…Davis is in a tighter spot though because there are better linebackers around than there are tackles.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
O-lineman take longer, play longer
You can look through the Steelers draft history and find exceptions, but it’s rare for them to cut a mid-round OL after one season, especially if there is some injury history that might have contributed to their slow development. Offensive linemen often need at least a couple years before they’re ready and the patience is worth it because their careers tend to last longer than other positions. 1998 third-round OT Chris Conrad and 2001 third-round OT Mathias Nkwenti were with the team three years and barely saw the field. 2005 third-rounder Essex is in his fifth season and is just now understanding that he has to be in great shape to be effective. Kemo did not play at all his first year and just three games his second year. After four years he is still a work in progress. I am not optimistic about Hills but the team drafted him in the fourth round knowing he first had to recover from a major injury. IMO they will give him at least another full season to develop.
by steeler.lifer on Aug 4, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
While Z certainly seems to have positive news, I would think that they would actually want to see some potential or development from a prospect, and from all accounts there is none right now. I can certainly understand that patience is valuable with O-linemen, but if a prospect is completely miserable I think that carrying the roster with more obvious talent is a better idea.
Sure a 4th rounder is more likely, theoretically, to get snatched off of a practice roster. I would rather roll with Capizzi and Foster this year though if they can hold off toddlers than Hills if he can’t, regardless if Hills gets lost in the process. We don’t have free roster spots, and the thought of any of our backup OTs, especially Hills, seeing playing time terrifies me. I think there are more valuable ways to use our roster spaces than hiding talent that seems exceptionally unlikely to improve.
Willie Colon doesn’t get flagged because he has long arms; he gets flagged because he sucks. - cliff harris is still a punk!
If Stapleton's injury is serious
Legursky or Shipley will make the squad.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
Sounds pretty bad
I’m thinking he may miss regular season time. Not sure how much. I could be completely wrong of course.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Aug 4, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Was that him who had to snap that one punt?
God that was awful.
by John Stephens on Aug 4, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yessir t'was
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Aug 4, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he should be the short yardage back.
Only a life lived for others is a life worthwhile - Albert Einstein.
Stapleton update
from Wexell…saw Stapleton at lunch today without a brace on. Maybe the injury is not as bad as initially thought.
Oh his twitter says:
“No Stapleton t/afternoon. Instead of asking around, risking an AndyReid-like meltdown, will wait for Tomlin..”
by John Stephens on Aug 4, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Rashard Mendenhal
WTF he still aint hittin the hole? That frieghtens me a bit. Talk about sweed needing to gain confidence…I think Mendy oughta get some. everytime I hear him interviewd he always sounds in Awe of how big NFL players are like Deebo and what not. I like that he can dance and all but I think He better start bucklin up his chinstrap if he expects to be a contibutor. Not tryn to be harsh on the kid but…….
Perenial Contenders.Year after year.
Read the article
Wexell said this about a Mendenhall run today: “I looked up to see Rashard Mendenhall knifing through a hole in the middle of the Steelers’ line. He then put a move on a linebacker and was into the secondary. It’s the kind of run for which the Steelers’ coaching staff has been looking.” … In the only games he played last year, Mendenhall ran hard and showed little if any hesitation at the line of scrimmage. He was willing to take on hits, one of which ended his season. Let’s not forget that when he’s in drills, the first unit O-line interior is Kemo, Legursky and Essex and the first unit D-line is Keisel-Hampton-Smith. If he has anywhere to run it will be a miracle. But we won’t really know anything about interior running until they play a game.
by steeler.lifer on Aug 4, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope so!
Good!
is Perenialness a word? cuz if so, thats what the stillers got. perenialness
by Steelchamps !! on Aug 4, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard
a bee was chasing Mendenhall.
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