Steelers 13, Titan 10: Opening Week Victory Open Thread
Thoughts and notes from me coming soon. For now, talk about the exciting overtime victory here as our last thread is getting a bit buggy by now.
Go Steelers! 1-0.
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Same story
new year.
I am scared about Troy, but I was glad to see Wallace excel, and Ben throw a 300+ yard game.
by PaulMorel on Sep 11, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Madden Curse my friend ...
… we knew that was coming
watchkalibrun.com
by Zak Woods on Sep 11, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
New Thread Each Quarter
Also, with the increased participants this season, could we get a new thread each quarter?
by PaulMorel on Sep 11, 2009 12:04 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
O-Line
As I feared, worst than last year. It is pathetic watching the Steelers’ unable to convert on 3rd and short. Wow!
by imike29 on Sep 11, 2009 12:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
the line was for the most part great in pass protection. A little improvement on the run and I think they will do just fine.
by stillerfn86 on Sep 11, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree Line
Looked really solid in pass pro. They gave up one ugly sack in the first quarter, but that was pretty much it.
by SteelerBuddha on Sep 11, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
only against the 4 man rush…in the fourth quarter when Tenn. was out of gas
by zenhas12strings on Sep 11, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t mind the lack of a power run on 3&1. I just hate the fact they rarely try anything else. Try a reverse… a bootleg… anything that doesn’t require pushing the defense back.
by Varmint on Sep 11, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
+1 from me, too
"That's why they play the game."
by B Dub on Sep 11, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes they don´t try any ≠. Always t same old front face pushing, try even an option
Or else.
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by YeOldeMexFan on Sep 11, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s the first game, they need to at least establish that they still can’t do it, not just assume.
That said, I doubt they will just give up. And I expect our running game will look a lot better the rest of the season, Tennessee is a great run stuffing defense, one of the best, maybe better than ours. The rest of the way it gets easier, aside from Baltimore.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 11, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pathetic
why does Spaeth dress and why is he in for short yardage. Put in Legursky and Foster/Hills (not sure who dressed) instead.
by steelerwheeler on Sep 11, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good win, hope it's not a pyrrhic one...
Very worried about Polamalu. Gonna be a rough out without him back there this season.
by SteelerInVirginia on Sep 11, 2009 12:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
make that "Would be rough"
Just saw Tomlin say it was an MCL sprain. Meaning 3-6 weeks.
by SteelerInVirginia on Sep 11, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“it” being his post game news conference
by Jett on Sep 11, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or by t NFL network.
O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.
by YeOldeMexFan on Sep 11, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it says thats what the intial assessment is
but they aren’t even close to sure…..
still, im optimistic
by shleeve on Sep 11, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Troy
walked off on his own power, out 1 week if that
by OhioSteel on Sep 11, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walking off on your own power doesnt mean anything. I’ve seen plenty of football players walk off the field only to later learn they tore their ACL or worse. I dont think its that bad, but I think hes gonna be out for at least 2 weeks and prob more
by Jett on Sep 11, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
-1
Walking off on your own means nothing. That’s pride and adrenaline more than anything else.
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by NoCal-SteelCity on Sep 11, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
Its more the gesture he made as if to say he would be alright. Of course he then proceeded to walk gingerly to the locker room. Again though, he didnt seem to have trouble lifting and pushing, it was more the side to side movement of the knee (MCL or meniscus).
Not Ravens
Nor Patriots
by sctx109 on Sep 11, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do believe that Tom Brady walked off under his own power last season….
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Steeler_ on Sep 11, 2009 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I blew my ACL I walked off the court
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Sep 11, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Side note:
Every time I see Tomlin on TV I think “It’s PixburghArn!”
That damn avatar….
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by NoCal-SteelCity on Sep 11, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MCL
affects lateral movements. He shouldnt have much problem moving vertically. Its the cuts that will take time to get back
by steelersfan86 on Sep 11, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Polamalu has strained MCL, out 3-6 weeks
says ESPN. Worst case would be 8 weeks.
Damn damn damn.
Madden Curse.
by syrsteelerfan on Sep 11, 2009 12:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was hoping you wouldnt metion that.
by stillerfn86 on Sep 11, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s nothing concrete. They took that directly from Tomlin, who hadn’t seen the MRI when he said in the post game interview that they “believe” its an MCL sprain, which is “typically” 3-6 weeks.
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by NoCal-SteelCity on Sep 11, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that sucks
As soon as I saw the replay of Crumpler falling on him. I was like f*$# that is 4 weeks right there.
by Johnny_S on Sep 11, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWP
I’m a big FWP fan. I think he can still do great things once this O-line gets straightened out. More often than not, I’ve got his back.
But there were a few plays where he either got through the line, or had a chance to bounce it outside… and he looked slow. He just didn’t look like he knew where to go. He had openings, but he didn’t hit them very fast.
by Varmint on Sep 11, 2009 12:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Know exactly what plays youre talking about and I agree, he did look slow on those plays. Dont know whats going on with him, if hes still injured or what, but he wont be playing a lot if he cant show his speed
by Jett on Sep 11, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its true, he looked slow
and “cautious” with his knees and ankles maybe?
by setherian on Sep 11, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he looked rusty, it’s been a long time since he played healthy, and still a long time since he played at all.
he didn’t get much work in practice or pre-season, so he’ll start slow like LT.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 11, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mendy
Hey Mendy bashers, where are you? He looked better than fast Wille. All his yards were tough and he definitely got more yards per carry after contact than Willie or MeMo.
by steelerwheeler on Sep 11, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that i’ts pretty safe to say that NO running back was to blame for last night’s feeble performance. When 3 different ball carriers all wind up with the same/very similar results, chances are its either bad playcalling, an outstanding defense, or terrible blocking. In the case of last night, I believe it was all 3.
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by NoCal-SteelCity on Sep 11, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Great point.
They did all look pretty much the same. If that continues to be the trend, then give me MeMo because he looks the best on the screens, picking up the blitz, and the dump-offs.
by dawgs144 on Sep 11, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
couldn’t agree with you more about Mewelde. The more I see him in there, the more I like him. Even though Tomlin wouldn’t admit to it after the game, it was no coincidence that Mewelde was in the game in the 4th and OT instead of FWP.
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by NoCal-SteelCity on Sep 11, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right, it is no coincidence...
in the 4th and OT they were in a hurry up. Moore is always our lone back in the hurry up because he’s one of our top 5 receivers. Don’t read anything more into it than that.
by KiwiSteelerFan on Sep 11, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mendy
Im right here, still bashing Miss Mendy. He’s a dancer not a RB. You people still do not get it . There are some people who play the RB position and than you have people who are natural at the RB position. Meaning Vision, able to identify or anticipate the hole/crease and react very quickly, not just running. As a RB you attacking a HOLE with speed and power. You attack a CREASE by squaring your shoulder an hitting it with power. Parker nor Miss Mendy display neither. Understand the difference in a HOLE and a CREASE. A average RB shows one of these skills, while a very good RB naturally displays both because of his excellent vision and anticipation. I said before an Im saying it again Issac Redman is the answer he’s a natural. You may not believe me now, but you will…… trust me. The OLine can not take ALL FU%KIN BLAME ALL THE DAM TIME. In the game there plenty of creases, maybe not big holes, but they were there. I know the Steelers have high hopes for Miss Mendy but he’s hopless, that’s real truth. You are able see when someone possess a certain thing. He just dose not have it , you can see it in has face. The RB Scouts at the game express my views in a similar fashion, so with that being said, I know exactly what Im talking about. Steelers need to stop the freakin politics, Tomlin need to swallow his little pride, face the facts and reconginize Issac Redmen is the best fit, not a every down RB though, yet. He will give them exactly what that need. If they don’t face the facts we will not make it through the season or a chance into the post season what out an above average running game. Everyone knows that, so it needs to start now. Forget the wait an see game, before they start blaming Ben forcing throws or the OLine for not blocking, again. The OLine is not the best, as the Scouts said, but its way far from the worst. Steelers, Face the Facts and Stop the politics now. We have all the pieces to Win a 7th SuperBowl. Politics, damages and kills more people than Cancer.
by unotoo on Sep 12, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if I can take another season of Chris Collinsworth
Collinsworth is such a drama mama, and combined with the constant camera following whoever screwed up for minutes and minutes after the screw up (in this case, Ward) is just further evidence of the feminization of NFL broadcasts. Making mountains out of molehills!
Make it stop!
People screw up sometimes. Then they either suck it up and move on, or they wallow in it. Hines Ward wasn’t wallowing in it, but Collinsworth and the NBC A/V booth were determined to ignore the other hour of playing time and pin the whole thing on one play. Sheesh.
Let’s put a wig on Collinsworth and let him be the ubiquitous sideline cutie asking the fluff questions.
Now that I’m done with my rant, Nice Going, Steelers!
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
by juperee on Sep 11, 2009 12:16 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Completely agree with you
Collinsworth is just unwatchable. The only time he can even hope to be above average is when someone like Bob Costas is feeding him lines.
"That's why they play the game."
by B Dub on Sep 11, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, at least that's two of us.
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
by juperee on Sep 11, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree Entirely
I was actually thinking this game that I was, for one of the first times ever, enjoying the commentary. He was pointing out the coverages and why Pittsburgh was able to move the ball once they had success, and he didn’t fill in with inane bullshit that was unrelated to the game. Very solid broadcast IMO. As for the ward commentary – he just fumbled what would have been the game winning catch, how is that not a big deal? Collinsworth also pointed out the nasty block he threw on the next set of downs, so he wasn’t just beating on the guy.
So far I think it’s an upgrade to Madden. I could never stand listening to him – he’d have some amazing football insight occasionally, but you had to dig through hours of inane blather to be able to hear it.
by yrro on Sep 11, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pro Cris
I also that Collinsworth was great. Quickly picked up coverages, line play and substitutions. Big upgrade over Madden.
As far as dwelling on Hines’s fumble: that’s mostly a director’s call; the analyst can only react to the pictures.
And Hines WAS dwelling on it. Even as they took the field for OT he was still shaking his head. Collinsworth can’t ignore it.
by Steelers in XLIV on Sep 11, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Cris is the smartest commentator in the game. He is the only football personality on TV who I can listen to.
Living in Chicago, where I am normally sad that I can’t hear the local radio guys, I am absolutely thrilled to have Collinsworth, and not … Joe Buck … or worse.
by PaulMorel on Sep 11, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Announcers
I much prefer Collinsworth over Madden. Madden was a buffuon.
by SteelerMike on Sep 11, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
He nailed it. Instead of repeating ancient cliches he pointed out what was going on on the field. Serious upgrade.
by SteelerBuddha on Sep 11, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Yeah… better than Madden, anyway…
by MarkJoel66 on Sep 11, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Madden has lowered our standards to such a ridiculous subterranean pulp that even Collinsworth looks good now!
by Steelfrog on Sep 11, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Big Collinsworth fan…despite being a former Bengal.
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by NoCal-SteelCity on Sep 11, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always loved his story he tells about when he got hit by Lambert.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 11, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
never heard him talk about it…
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by NoCal-SteelCity on Sep 11, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Emmy
Collinsworth has won 5 of the 10 “Oustanding Studio Analyst” Emmys tat have ever been awarded. I think it is safe to say he is the best in the business.
by TheCommish on Sep 11, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got discusted
because after having to admit 4-5 times that the steelers got hosed on penalties that should not have been penalties, and some that were not called agaisnt titans that should have been called, they felt that they had to return the favor for the titans by saying that Hoke should have been penalized for taking off his helmet. The helmet was knocked off and perched on top of his head, he grabbed it and put it back on. Replay shows it easily, and Chris makes it sound like the steelers were given a huge break that the penalty wasnt called. /sigh another year of wonderful officiating. On a side note- does the helmet to helmet contact rule not apply anymore? Top of Kearse helmet hits Bens square in the face when Ben is standing straight up,…. no mention …. just curious
by Steelde#1 on Sep 11, 2009 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Collinsworth was right. We got lucky. I agree that Hoke’s helmet was knocked askew. That is probably what led him to reach for it. However, he was not talking it off just to straighten it. He was celebrating. I’m glad he had the piece of mind to slam it back down on his noggin.
by Varmint on Sep 11, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make it Three
Arrogant, loves to hear himself speak, and oh by the way, he’s an ex-Bengal and loses style points right there.
by dawgs144 on Sep 11, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally agree.
He almost makes me nostalgic for Madden the Hut, even though Madden’s huge man crush on Big Ben was a bit awkward. Remember when Madden referred to Ben approvingly as a “specimen”? shudder
I don’t care how many emmys Collinsworth wins. Doesn’t equate to good game-focused commentary.
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
by juperee on Sep 11, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn Madden curse
Ps, I love the way Willie gets all those yards after contact. Mendenhall ran into Ben and still got two yards.
by Micculus on Sep 11, 2009 12:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wonder if Fitzgerald is nervous!
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
by juperee on Sep 11, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More Moore!
Just put up a fanpost on this but will post here too. FWP is finished as a legitimate feature back. This team will go nowhere with him starting and getting most of the carries. He’s indecisive and just plain slow.
Mewelde’s got to be the starter. I don’t even know what the argument is for FWP anymore.
by Steelers in XLIV on Sep 11, 2009 12:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe it's that...
He’s faster and better than Moore, who looks good for the most part because he plays on downs when the D is looking for the pass.
Not to knock Moore, but to repeat my argument that anyone who rips FWP, denigrates Mendenhall, promotes Moore, or calls for Redman without recognizing that the #1,2,3,4, and 5 problems with the running game is the line blocking for them is fooling themselves.
I had my faults with Willie tonight, mostly vision and cuts, but I’m currently agnostic on whether Moore or Mendenhall would have done better in that case.
by syrsteelerfan on Sep 11, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But all that is a consecuence of not having consistently cracks
on any defence.
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by YeOldeMexFan on Sep 11, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was faster than Moore this time last year. Now….not so sure.
I may not be remembering something but I can’t remember a play tonight where FWP showed a good burst or made a guy miss. I think he’s just not the same athlete he was.
by Steelers in XLIV on Sep 11, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s mental, not physical. I have a suspicion it’s actually coaching. I think they’ve taught FWP to do things he’s not particularly good at. He needs to abandon plays instead of waiting for holes to develop and he needs to beat people on the edge. Not on every play, but he needs to loose the reins every now and then.
by Varmint on Sep 11, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's wait a few games
Willie beat out Stefan Logan in a sprint this spring. I think he’s still got it. The line did great in pass pro and will improve on runs but let’s remember that was one heck of a front they were facing tonight. Tough first night for the running game. Let’s see how they do against the Bears and Bungles before we start panicking…
by Steelfrog on Sep 11, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anything
I was distraught by his desire to abandon the outside gap and cut inside, even when the tackler is shading that way. It makes me think Varmint is spot on.
by sctx109 on Sep 11, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not onlý that...
The playcalling was kinda strange last night too. The Titans obviously knew some of our audible calls because they were audibling right along with Ben the whole night. But we were running a lot of singleback sets last night and it was obvious as soon as Frank came in the game we were gonna run the ball. Combine all that with the Titans being a very good run stopping team and you get the results we got last night. We knew Ben could pass all over this group after last years matchup and that’s what happened last night. The running game definately has to go back to the drawing board though. Willie needs a fb to run behind. He’s proven to be much more successful with a lead blocker during his career. Frank coinsidentally whiffed on a few blocks last night in his limited play. And they need to change the playcalling on 3rd & short situations. I’d feel more confident with Ben in shotgun in those cases. We seem to have an ego about 3rd & short. We have to pound that yard down your throat even when the run game hasn’t shown any production. Just get the 1st! We need to stop trying to prove how tough we are and just convert the 3rd downs. Other than that, I’m happy about last night (other than Troy of course)
by Mr 412 on Sep 11, 2009 9:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya...
I’m a big FWP fan …but Moore makes the first guy miss all the time
by zenhas12strings on Sep 11, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Willie is rusty, didn’t play much at all this year. That and he’s going against possibly the best run defense in the league. Let’s not judge our running game off this one.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 11, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was that an intrasquad game?
Steelers have best run D, by far. Our opponents’ best run defense is our offensive line.
by JHolmes on Sep 11, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slow???
Willie and slow should probably never be mentioned in the same sentence. Perhaps “not as quick” or “not as fast”, but definitley not slow
by TheCommish on Sep 11, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a fair comment. It would be better for me to say his indecision is making him play slow. I think hat’s what we saw last night.
by Steelers in XLIV on Sep 11, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IS IT STILL THE OFFSEASON FOR REFS?
seriously ….whats with all the non-calls and bad calls in the game tonight?
by zenhas12strings on Sep 11, 2009 12:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The good, the bad and the ugly
The good.
- O-line in pass protection. Those guys battled and gave Ben some serious time to throw all through the second half. There were times that Ben was back there for about 5,6,7 seconds as the guys just stoned the four man rush. Now you might say that a 4 man rush should be easy to stop. That was simply not the case last year. Last year the 4 man rush got serious pressure on us almost every game. Today, the guys up front fought hard and won.
-Ben – what else can you say about a gay that literally led three game winning drives in one game after taking at least 6 or 7 brutal hits. Ben showed stones and during the second half he also showed brains. That is a scary combo for the rest of the league.
-Wallace – a couple of clutch catches for the young Rookie. Coupled with the mysterious disappearance of Limas Sweed we could see a ton more of this guy.
-Coach Tomlin – are you guys believers. “We don’t ride the emotional roller-coaster” . I think in year three this team is drinking the kool-aid.
-Special Teams – Sepuldava – 4 kicks inside the 20 – a couple of giant kicks from deep inside his own end. Logan – great effort – only a matter of time before he breaks one. Jeff Reed. When it counted.
- the Line backers. When things got tough these guys made plays. Missing Troy and deep into the game these guys made some key stops.
The Bad –
- Limas Sweed – Missing in action. Was he on the field?
- Troy going down – what a shame. This defense really has the capacity for greatness, it would be a shame for them to miss Troy for 3-6 weeks. Hopefully that’s all it is. But as Coach says – “The standard of expectation does not change, those 11 guys out there are who we are”
The ugly
- The running game was terrible. On countless plays our backs encountered two or three guys in the back field. Frank the Tank looked like Bill Buckner, the O-line which looked great in pass protection, got absolutely no push. Under two yards a carry will make games very hard to win in december.
All in all the Steelers pick up where they left off. Not a pretty team, but a team you just have to love. Enormous heart. Great Talent. 1-0
by SteelerBuddha on Sep 11, 2009 12:24 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Just a few other things:
-Heath and Tone look like they’re ready to be more than complements to Hines. Great, great games from both those guys.
-Chris Johnson ripped off those two big runs, but otherwise, was quiet. I don’t know if the Steeler D were covering him or if Collins ignored him, but I expected him to be a big feature of their passing game.
-I’m at a total loss on the third and short offense. I’m starting to think we should take a delay of game penalty any time it’s third and less than four.
-Tough, tough fumble by Hines, but it was obvious if the ball doesn’t come out, he would not have been tackled. Next time, I hope he does the same thing and tries to score again.
by pghnorthside on Sep 11, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree on the Hines play
He should have gone down. A smart, good veteran like Hines should know you do not need the TD there. Even if he had scored there, you leave 40+ seconds on the clock. Once he saw a tackler in front of him he should just go down. No point in risking losing the ball when the win is right there.
by Johnny_S on Sep 11, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re absolutely right. But, Hines is such a competitior, when he sees the end zone his primal instinct takes over. This is his 12th year, and he hasn’t changed his playing style yet. He, like all other great athletes, is driven to win/succeed more than the rest…While he should’ve gone to the ground, I’m not surprised he didn’t. That would be like Ben throwing the ball away, instead of scrambling for 9 seconds and taking a 19 yard loss. They play like that because they don’t think or believe they will succeed, they know they’ll succeed.
breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Sep 11, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree that instincts take over
But you would expect a veteran to have the instincts to realize the situation. Hines Ward is my second favorite Steeler of my Steelers career, but I cannot and will not be happy with that decision. It’s easy for us to sit here now and talk about it, because we won the game. Had the tables have turned and we lost, I am sure most people would be less lenient on the play. I just don’t want to see a player make the wrong decision in a much more important game because he is thinking about the TD not the win.
by Johnny_S on Sep 11, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I agree…just like last season when Brian Westbrook slid in front of the goaline to run out the clock on a close win, rather than score, have to kick off, and give the opponent another chance. We are lucky that we didn’t have to pay for it.
breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Sep 11, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 I was going to bring that up
But I thought I’d get ridiculed for bringing up anything pro-eagles.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Sep 11, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But still We have to show some variety trying even to open up
any defense, Why don´t We try any “option” or wildcat or else?, Even open the field with 4 WR´s.
O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.
by YeOldeMexFan on Sep 11, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one disagreement
I thought Summers made at least two good blocks, it just didn’t matter when he needed to block 4 guys for willie to have a lane.
It wasn’t just me, Tunch was talking about him too.
I hat running short yardage with no fullback, it’s horrible. One D-Lineman wins his battle and the run is gone. I was on the floor with my head in my hands pulling my hair over this.
Then they put in a FB and the runs get stuffed anyway.
At least we don’t get Tennessee again anytime soon.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 11, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good post, but....
Is using a green backgroud OK with the BTSC rules? I’m runniong Firefox and when I return to a thread anything new I haven’t seen/read is shaded so I can spot it easily. What’s up with this grenn back-ground?
by steelerwheeler on Sep 11, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha
Sorry but that’s funny. The green background is awarded to posts that are “rec’d” by two or more people. Its showing that “this is a good comment” according to two or more people. The intention is to have intelligent or funny comments stick out.
by Johnny_S on Sep 11, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool
So I click on the REC button for a good post rather than doing that +1 thing?
by steelerwheeler on Sep 14, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Thoughts
First off, F*** the Madden cover, from now on no more Steelers on the cover, no matter how cool it looks, never ever again, period. Polamalu was an animal and only one of those penalties he was called for was legit. While watching Polamalu play I was like “Damn this is just too good to be true, he’s the best I’ve seen him…I wonder how long he’ll be hurt for?” Ok so it wasn’t exactly like that, but I was waiting for him to go down and sure enough…If it truly is 3-6 weeks this is gonna be rough, but our D is clearly good enough to cope.
Other observations: Parker only fueled the Redman fire. Only two runs did he look any way near as good as his old self. Didn’t help that the O-Line was barely doing anything for him.
Speaking of which the O-line was fantastic in pass protection. I’d say 3, maybe 4 sacks are on BB.
On the matter of BB, what a guy. Just a machine in the clutch. I wanted Arians’ head after that Hail Mary cause I knew that was going to happen (sorry to sound like whiny little bastard, claiming to have forseen everything, but I swear to you that’s what went through my head.)
Holmes, Ward, Miller, Wallace, and MeMo all get major props, Holmes most of all. Ward’s fumble was just one of those plays. Cedric Griffin just made a real nice play, nothing you can do about it.
Defense was inconsistent on 3rd downs, there was a drop off once Troy was out, but it’s not as evident as it would’ve been a couple years ago.
Dick Lebeau was surprisingly conservative in the blitzing factor, but revved it up near the end and it payed off. Not good to see back-to-back blown coverages on the only Titan’s TD of the night.
Danny Sepulveda=Stud
We may just have to accept that we’re going to be a passing team this year. We’ll see how Ben comes out of it. MeMo might as well be the starting running back if that’s the kind of games we’re seeing from him though. Still, it’s too early to judge, and the Titans D w/ or w/o Haynesworth is still formidable.
Good, game. We’re picking off right where we left off. Though Troy might miss some weeks, we can overcome his injury, though it’ll be rough, this defense is good enough.
And on one last somber note: God Bless America and the Victims and Heroes of 9/11/01.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by HighSchoolSteeler on Sep 11, 2009 12:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for going straight passing if the running game isn't working
You can slow down a pass rush with some creative screen passes as well as you can with a good running play.
by yrro on Sep 11, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
like your points
I dunno if the hail mary was on arians – ben was kind of standing around for a while, and then I could see him thinking “what the h__l, I’ll chuck it down there and see what happens”
by acrollet on Sep 11, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BB +/-
BB has got a lot of stones, he takes hits and keeps on coming. The OL gave him great protection in the second half, he stood there patiently completing passes like any and all vets should do. He stood there longer than most and drove us down the field at will in 2nd half, if only we could gain 1 yard rushing! That’s why we love Big Ben.
However, what was he doing in the first quarter? Wallace was wide open for 6, only about 35 yards down field and Ben threw it less than 30??? Don’t take a caverage sack on third down at the 20, and do not ever take a 19 yard loss. Then that awful Pick? Should been 10-0 Steelers in the first quarter.
Ben was really bad then very good… 2 Super Bowl rings and a lot of room for improvement.
by steelerwheeler on Sep 11, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any day
I will take a phenomenal second half if it means giving a bad 1st half. Yeah he took that bad sack in the 1st which clearly altered the momentum of the game, but that is Ben. Take it or leave it, he is going to try to extend the play. You cannot cheer when he makes a big conversion on a broken play and then boo when he gets sacked deep trying to scramble away from defenders. Ben is going to make the most of every play, sorry ’bout it.
Anyway, I blame the shaky start on, as Ben put it, nerves. He said he was extremely amped and a bit nervous since it was the 1st game of the season which had big expectations. Once he settled in, your could see his unmatched composure and experience turn on.
by Johnny_S on Sep 11, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like Collinsworth said: “He’s the only QB in the league whose pulse at the start of the game is 120, and at the end of the game is 60.”
breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Sep 11, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hehehe
I didn’t hear that… must have been getting a drink. That’s funny!
by MarkJoel66 on Sep 11, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On yet another sour note
Sorry to be the dark cloud here, but Wex just confirmed on Twitter that Troy will be out at least 4 weeks…
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by HighSchoolSteeler on Sep 11, 2009 12:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so who will fill in Mundy or Tyrone Carter
by WVPiratesfan on Sep 11, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess
Is Carter. He did a solid job tonight filling in and though they Started with Mundy they finished with Carter. I’ve always felt that Ty gets a lotta flack that he doesn’t deserve. Just really gonna miss Troy. He had 6 tackles including 1 for a loss and all were solo, 2 pass deflections, and a pick all in that first half.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by HighSchoolSteeler on Sep 11, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same here
Mundy looked like a vulnerability. Carter seemed to seal it off better.
by HitThatGuy on Sep 11, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like Tuff might get called up.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 11, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One Titan's opinion
But the guys from Music City Miracles seemed to think he was a scrub, i.e. they need secondary help and he was cut.
Not Ravens
Nor Patriots
by sctx109 on Sep 11, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If LeBeau and Tomlin think he can ball
I will have faith in them over some guys over at MCM.
by Johnny_S on Sep 11, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
Then again, James Harrison is famous for being cut by both the Steelers and the Ravens.
Tuff is a project. We wouldn’t have taken him unless he’d shown something interesting. Maybe he pans out, maybe he doesn’t. I’m willing to give our defensive coaches the benefit of the doubt.
by Varmint on Sep 11, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would cheer me up is a post game interview clip of Lendale White
Anyone have one?
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by HighSchoolSteeler on Sep 11, 2009 12:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm, well
I thought I saw him crying into a Terrible Towel, but maybe that was just my imagination.
by HitThatGuy on Sep 11, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This might be blasphemous...
but Lendale looked much better than expected I thought. Chris Johnson had 2 great runs, but was otherwise AWOL. And if I’m the Titans, I’m worried about 3 things:
-every team just playing run and shoot similar to what the Pats, Raiders and everybody else did in ‘02 against the Steelers D. Their staff had nothing to counteract.
-keeping their tight ends healthy. Cook didn’t dress and when Scaife went out with his knee problem, Collins went from cool and collected to scattershot. That offense has to have a tight end that can catch.
-anybody else notice that after Keisel had a running start at Mawae on a third and long, Mawae made the block but afterwards didn’t look like he had anything left?
by pghnorthside on Sep 11, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You notice after he was manhandling Hampton they put in Hoke and Hoke made plays on Mawae?
Not that Hoke is better, but Mawae is a great old vet with incredible speed for a Center, He was schooling Hampton on getting in position faster, Hoke was a better counter to Mawae’s style.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 11, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
completely agree
same discussion as below
Not Ravens
Nor Patriots
by sctx109 on Sep 11, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be great to see him kiss some Steeler
SB rings.
by steelerstyle on Sep 11, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any thoughts on a roster move...
if Troy is out that long. I see it unlikely that we roll with three safeties and we only have Tuff Harris on the practice squad (does not know the scheme). Looks like we might have to expose someone to waivers already.
by sctx109 on Sep 11, 2009 12:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good point
i’m not looking forward to that call. Hell, am I the first to want Redman up and playing vs Bears?
Alright, okay, I don't dance, no way I just take my Terrible Towel out and wave it around in the air!!!!
by Steel R on Sep 11, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somehow
I think it might be David Johnson, given I do not think he saw any action tonight. Anyone else very surprised that they utilized Stefan Logan as one of the gunners? If he can tackle, that certainly frees up a roster spot. Fox acquitted himself well, but I thought there were multiple times that he overpursued and allowed Johnson to cut back for a big gain (the second one, specifically).
by sctx109 on Sep 11, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
another good call
i wasnt even looking for him. maybe it was b/c Frank “Walk the Plank” Summers suited up. Damn, first game but whoooo, he looked suspect.
Alright, okay, I don't dance, no way I just take my Terrible Towel out and wave it around in the air!!!!
by Steel R on Sep 11, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ratliff and Deshea can both play safety. My guess is that they just active Ratliff.
by pghnorthside on Sep 11, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont know how confident I feel with DeShea covering everything after what I saw this game.
by sctx109 on Sep 11, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did not look good, he was the weak link.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 11, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is Deshea runs a sub-5 40, I’d be surprised.
breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Sep 11, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No roster move; K. Ratliff up on deck
Ratliff will do fine. Put him in this D and he’ll make some plays. He’s not Troy, but who is? The team could do a lot worse than adding Ratliff to the mix next week.
by datruth4life on Sep 11, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
please let me know
why is no one discussing how foolish it is to go after a blocked FG if you are the blocking team and its clear that jumping into a pile will accomplish NOTHING? the blocking team will retain possession of the ball no matter what!!
by SteelCityMafiaNewOrleans on Sep 11, 2009 12:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Still can not figure out why they were diving into that pile.
by sctx109 on Sep 11, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and even if
the FG attempt occurred on 2nd or 3rd down, it doesn’t matter! it was BLOCKED!! all bets off!!! kicking team cannot recover the ball and retain it!!! only bad things happen when the blocking team touches the ball!!! ask leon lett!!!!
its so actually shameful that all the people worrying about troy’s injury don’t realize what i have just said
by SteelCityMafiaNewOrleans on Sep 11, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
for any who saw the Iowa-Northern Iowa game, if a kick is blocked but does not go past the line of scrimmage, it can be recovered and count as a normal down. I wonder if the NFL has a similar rule.
by sctx109 on Sep 11, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Happened to Steelers
Maybe about about 10 years back, that weak legged loser from Seattle was our kicker, got one blocked on third down, Steelers recovered behind L-O-S and got to kick again on fourth down.
by steelerwheeler on Sep 11, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
finally got to finish watching the game
heart is POUNDING
what a game
thought we were over all this heart attack stuff…
by acrollet on Sep 11, 2009 1:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It keeps us feeling alive, thats for damn sure
My gf was laying across my chest at the end of the game. She kept asking me why my heart was racing. Haha
by Johnny_S on Sep 11, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
holmes' stat line
superbowl XLIII: 9 catches, 131 yds, 1 TD
week 1 2009: 9 catches, 131 yds, 1 TD
sick
by SteelCityMafiaNewOrleans on Sep 11, 2009 1:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Woah
This is Pittsburgh Steeler Troy Polamalu getting knocked around by the Pacific Ocean in Hawaii yesterday...
Minutes later, Troy caught the ocean going over the middle and smacked it right in the mouth. The ocean fumbled, Troy recovered and ran it into the endzone. The ocean never messed with Troy again.
by paulamalu on Sep 11, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is amazing
I need to play them numbers in the Lottery or something.
by lightningrod on Sep 11, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is our ‘Official Short Yardage’ Running Back?
Willie Parker?
Same problem as last year!
I’m not complaining that we won, but we need to do something. We need a short yardage back!!!
by lightningrod on Sep 11, 2009 1:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who is our ‘Official Short Yardage’ Running Back?
That Question deserves it’s own thread. I don’t want to flood this board with my own threads though.
If any of you want to volunteer and make that question a FanPost, by all means, pls go right ahead.
by lightningrod on Sep 11, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tomlin said
there is no official 3rd yardage back – it’s the guy who is in the game at the time. My sense is that for now – you put in moore and run some passes.
by SteelerBuddha on Sep 11, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could someone with experience at O-Line explain
I know they did not create gaping holes, but it seemed most of the time that they maintained the LoS, so I was given to thinking that this was as much the fault of the RBs as the O-Line.
by sctx109 on Sep 11, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
explaination of blocking
we don’t hold our blocks on running plays and typically get beat to the point. like in basketball, you have to beat the man to the point and keep the D-line “out of the paint” per se.
Alright, okay, I don't dance, no way I just take my Terrible Towel out and wave it around in the air!!!!
by Steel R on Sep 11, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not a pro coach. Maybe it is the zone blocking scheme that they are using?
I don’t know anything about that stuff.
by lightningrod on Sep 11, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about using our new 3rd TE as FB
And putting Redman on the roster and Summers on the practice squad?
by lightningrod on Sep 11, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great call
Think we could see that happen if Tank continues to disappoint.
by SteelerBuddha on Sep 11, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back?
I think the whole offense needs to be re-engineered for short yardage. Change the blocking techniques, formations, personnel, cadence, move the decals to the other side of the helmet…
by pghnorthside on Sep 11, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The decals
Why did I never think about the decals!?@
Seriously though – the short yardage was an embarressment. The whole running game was. I don’t think it’s time to hit the panic button, but it’s definitely time for some tinkering.
by SteelerBuddha on Sep 11, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
New plan of action
I figure Kemoeatu has a background in rugby (Samoan and all). I think it would improve his run blocking if we change the snap call to “crouch, touch, engage”. Something tells me this might be the secret.
Not Ravens
Nor Patriots
by sctx109 on Sep 11, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our old short yardage offense was named Jeff Hartings, before that it was Dermonti Dawson. You notice the Titans on short yardage? They have Mawae. Hartings and Faneca were the reason we were so good on short yardage. No back runs through a DT.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 11, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think our Official Short Yardage back is actually the Shotgun, 4 wide formation, looking for Ward/Tone on a slant, or Miller in the flat.
breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Sep 11, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After the Pittsburgh Steelers’ 13-10 overtime victory over the Tennessee Titans on Thursday night, coach Mike Tomlin told reporters that safety Troy Polamalu had suffered an MCL sprain. While doctors are still evaluating the injury, right now the speculation is that he will miss 3-6 weeks due to the injury.
Tomlin confirmed that there is still a chance there is a more serious injury in the knee (read: torn ligament), and that doctors are still looking at the film. Expect a better diagnosis tomorrow following an MRI.
by Aditya T (smashville) on Sep 11, 2009 1:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That is really very sick!!!
O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.
by YeOldeMexFan on Sep 11, 2009 1:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Your OL can't run-block; who you gonna call?
When last seen, Frank was in the Tank, being unable to block a DB or pretty much anyone else out there tonight. I think Tomlin benched him after about three plays. And it doesn’t look good for Troy. Not gonna be an easy year, that’s for sure; but a win is a win!
by Billy52 on Sep 11, 2009 1:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Non-specialist opinion
But that totally did not look like an ACL; my first thought was MCL and, given Troy’s flexibility, I am still quite optimistic. This is a guy after all that does not lift heavy weights specifically to maintain his flexibility and the strength of his supporting muscles.
by sctx109 on Sep 11, 2009 1:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m thinking the same thing. Also I’m thinking the schedule is good if he’s out for longer, he’ll be back in shape for the end of the season, so it’s all good.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 11, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I really don’t want a repeat of a few years ago (2007, I believe), where he got injured and seemed a step slow for the rest of the year.
Not Ravens
Nor Patriots
by sctx109 on Sep 11, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly my thoughts
give him time to heal, get him fresh when he returns
Bill Beeelichick proved that in America it’s okay to cheat, as long as you cheat your way to the top. – Eric Cartman
by Alba on Sep 11, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some thoughts
Random thoughts…
- Can we PLEASE give Redman a try at least as a short yardage runner? This short down situation is getting ridiculous.
- Running attack: I noticed FWP was sitting a lot in the end of the game. Don’t know if he was not 100% or what, but it did seem we had a little more success without him.
- Frank the Tank was no help. Time to park him in the garage and see what Redzone Redman can do.
- Logan makes kickoffs and punts fun to watch. I just keep expecting him to break one.
- I’m not going to hate on Ben. He held the ball too much again, and it cost us three. He DOES need to find a balance. But, I believed he was going to get us down there in the 4th quarter and again in over time. He drives me nuts, and I am usually hoarse by the end of the game… but I wouldn’t trade him for anyone. He just wins, is all…
- I felt sick for Hines. Especially since I was screaming for him to run it into the end zone. When he fumbled, it would have been easy to say he should have hit the ground and let us kick three… but I confess, I was as caught up in the moment as he was… and if I can’t think clearly from the couch with no one chasing me, it is unrealistic to expect the world’s most competitive receiver to take a knee.
- Is it just me, or did Collinsworth sound downright upset that the Titans weren’t blitzing. Like they were going to cost him $1000 on the game, or something. Over all, I actually liked him better than madden. But I do think he was pulling for the Titans. Probably all those years at Cincy…
- Losing Troy hurts. He was the only one playing in the first quarter — the rest of the team was sleep-walking.
by MarkJoel66 on Sep 11, 2009 1:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Hines fumble does settle a bet...
the man is capable of not smiling!
by sctx109 on Sep 11, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we were joking about that a few minutes before the strip
“Hey, I got a first down!” = Hines Ward GRIN
“Hey, I blocked that guy!” = Hines Ward GRIN
“Hey, I just got totally tackled!” = Hines Ward GRIN
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
by juperee on Sep 11, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
All the talk about how scary it is when a guy smiles after you hit him as hard as you can is trash. A guy that is always smiling is much scarier when he actually gets mad. Did you see that block on 22- ouch?
Not Ravens
Nor Patriots
by sctx109 on Sep 11, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
He IS scary good. The smiling is awesome because it means both 1) “I really, really love every aspect of the game of football”, and 2) “I am insane!”
It’s a very intimidating but lovable combo.
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
by juperee on Sep 11, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quote:
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Frank the Tank was no help. Time to park him in the garage and see what Redzone Redman can do.
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Can we use our new 3rd TE as the FB and get Redman on the Roster and put Summers on the Practice Squad?
We need a ‘Short Yardage Back’ !
by lightningrod on Sep 11, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A short yardage back, even Jim Brown wouldn’t have picked up that 3rd and 1. An Offensive line, namely Center and Guard are what gets you a short yard. Kordel Stewart used to dominate in short yardage, not because he could break tackles or juke, but because he didn’t have to do anything but follow the guard and center as they pushed the line.
You can bring in any back in the world, but if there are three Defenders in the backfield, the play is over.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 11, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe. But I saw Redman move some guys. The guy has a motor that never stops, and he has a nice low center of gravity.
Unlike “Duce” Mendenhall — who may not have run very well, but, hey, he had the best hit on Ben all night…
by MarkJoel66 on Sep 11, 2009 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben
I’m not going to hate on Ben. He held the ball too much again, and it cost us three. He DOES need to find a balance. But, I believed he was going to get us down there in the 4th quarter and again in over time.
You are definitely right about the stupid sack early. But Ben did carry that team to victory tonight. All in all Ben needs to adapt some advice from Kenny Rogers.
You got to know when to hold them, know when to throw them, know when to throw it away and know when to run, you can’t just count your options, when you’re sitting in the pocket, there’ll be time enough for counting in the film room son.
by SteelerBuddha on Sep 11, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta love the post game interview
Kremer tries to sucker Ben into talking about how important the win was, and while Hines is shaking his head, Ben replies that is just another game, nothing special. I think Hines and Bussie have trained him well.
by sctx109 on Sep 11, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny, the commentators talked about how well he checked down through his options today. Especially on the big drives.
Guess he should try to not do that.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 11, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not right about the first quarter sack
That sack’s on the OL. Jones was up the middle before Ben was even finished on his drop back. Sure if Ben just takes the sack maybe we get a field goal out of it (probably lose 6 or 7 yards giving a 46 yard FG attempt) If he throws the ball away you’d have been looking at a 10 yard penalty for intentional grounding and a 49-50 yarder as a best case scenario. If he was 14 yards back when he intentionally grounds then it’s a 14 yard penalty and a field goal longer than anything ever made at Heinz Field.
Ultimately, that one’s the OL’s fault though. Poor pass pro up the middle. Ben tried to get out of the tackle box to throw it away but he was cut off by the RDE.
by KiwiSteelerFan on Sep 11, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Collinsworth was just amazed they weren't making the adjustment
He seemed to be really caught up in the analysis of the game, and was amazed that the Titans weren’t adjusting a gaping hole in their defense.
by yrro on Sep 11, 2009 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that was a coaching mistake. Collinsworth was just calling it like it was.
The Titans knew they didn’t need to fear the run. They knew the pressure was going to be on their backfield. So, rather than make the most of the pass rush, the coaches spent their efforts try to shore up the D-Backs.
I can sorta see why.
If their D-line gets near a QB, D-Backs get sloppy. They may take their attention off the receivers and watch for the sack. If they’re near the LoS, they might leave their coverage position and run in to help finish the QB off. When a defense gets guys in the opponent’s backfield, it’s like having blood in the water. Players can’t help but be pulled into the frenzy. The coaches know this. They train their guys not to do it, but it’s almost human nature. They also know that Ben will escape half of the time and make a play through the air.
So, in a twisted way, it makes sense to put more guys in the secondary and not try to flush Ben out of the pocket. Obviously, it didn’t work. But I can see what the Titan’s might’ve been thinking.
by Varmint on Sep 11, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For goodness sake
Refrigerator Perry could not have done anything in those short yardage situations last night. 3 guys hitting you in the back field when you get the ball is not the backs fault. Get over Redman already. I almost think some of you were hoping that we sucked in the run game just so you could start this argument again. Our short yardage woes were blocking and play calling. Not running back problems!
by Steelde#1 on Sep 11, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We'll take the W, but ...
quite a few things to talk about for this first game. Here goes:
- The bottom line is winning. The Steelers did that. Next.
- I liked the fact that the Steelers tried to stick with the running game. But 22 carries for 35 yards? Yeah, the Titans have a very good D. But something is seriously wrong when you can’t pick up more yardage than that. Is it the RBs, the OL or a combination of them both?
- On the other hand, the OL for the most part did a good job in pass protection. At least 3 of the 4 sacks were on Ben. I think Tomlin still needs to have that talk with Ben to let him know that he doesn’t have to make a play every play. After 4 to 5 seconds, get rid of the ball and live for another day.
- The passing game with Ward, Santonio, Heath and Wallace is going to be a monster before all is said and done. Still not convinced on Limas Sweed until he does it when it counts. And can anyone get the ball to Wallace when he is open? Ben missed a touchdown the 3rd play of the game.
- Troy looked like the NFL Defensive MVP of the League this year in the first quarter before he got hurt. When I first saw the replay, I thought either an MCL sprain or a pulled groin muscle. Troy is a different cat than most football players in that its better for him to sit out and get completely healthy rather than having him play at 70 to 80 percent. Sit him until he’s 100 percent.
- The Steelers could do a lot worse than adding K. Ratliff to the active squad next week. Glad to see Ryan Mundy showing up and making some plays. So who should start next week, Mundy or Carter?
- J. Harrison, Beast. Lamarr Woodley, Beast. K. Fox, Beast -In-Training. Very nice game in leading the team in tackles in your very first start. No need to rush Timmons back. Just like Troy, Timmons is a race car. Both need to be 100 percent before you take them out of the garage if you want them to play their game. Thanks K. Colbert for the depth on this squad.
- So how do you like having a special teams that won the field position battle? Sepulvada brought his “A” game tonight and S. Logan is only going to get better. He just needs to stop calling fair catches on the 5-yard line. But still, how many of you were on the edge of your seat whenever the Titans kicked to Joystick? When is the last time you can say that about any of our returners?
- Yeah, yeah, you don’t want to hear it. You absolutely, positively don’t want to hear it. Well, you’re going to hear it from DaTruth: The Steelers best short-yardage and goal-line back was in street clothes tonight. If they don’t get any better in the area, I don’t think he’s going to be on the sideline for long. We not only have a gunslinger as a QB, we have a gunslinger as a coach, too. He will not go down in a gunfight without “busting” all of his guns.
- Fast Willie Parker is looking like “Not As Fast As He Used To Be” Parker. I’ll give the Tank a pass on this game. Things will slow down for him and he still has a huge upside. I actually thought they should have given Mendy a little more work, particularly a few swing passes out of the backfield or sprint draws. The thing with FWP is, if he isn’t picking up any running yards for you, then he really isn’t much use to your O.
- Ben took a lot of punishment tonight. He won’t make it 16 games getting hit like he was tonight. Arians can help by losing the empty backfield set. Nothing good happens when you go empty backfield and you have a QB whose M.O. is holding on to the ball to make a play.
- Got to love seeing Hines taking out his frustration on that DB after fumbling. That is called leadership and keeping your head in the game. And does Santonio run routes, or does he just glide from Point A to Point B? A bad, bad dude.
- Told ya an angry Big Snack is a good big Snack. Yeah, Mawae made some plays on him, but Big Snack made some plays, too. It’s been a long time since we’ve seen Big Snack this active. It’s called Contract Year effort.
- We all know K. Colbert’s to-do-list this offseason includes talks with J. Reed, Big Snack, & Ryan Clark.. But he better make it a priority to get Santonio and L. Woodley signed to contract extensions while they have a year left on their deals. The price is only going up for each here on out.
- Forget where’s Waldo. Where’s Ziggy?
- Any of you doubt that Tomlin will do everything in his power to get this running game right? I don’t. And he will. His $100M QB’s health depends on it. And I’m gone!
by datruth4life on Sep 11, 2009 1:43 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
There was no push. None. The D-Line owned the running game tonight. But then the Titans are a phenomenal run defense.
Ziggy got in, the Titans ran at him. Veteran run blocking line versus Rookie DE, not a great match up, he didn’t see much time after his first series.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 11, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comments on your comments + some of my own
-3/4 sacks were squarely on Ben. The 4th was a jailbreak in the backfield where Ben basically took a knee. Out of the 3 that he took, only the one that took us out of FG position was what I’d call a “bad sack.” They weren’t perfect, but the OL did well on passing downs.
-I said the same thing about Troy, that if he stayed healthy this was his career year. So much for that. Thanks a lot Madden.
-Totally agree about not playing Troy or Timmons until they are 100%. Troy was terrible (relatively speaking) in 06 when he played hurt the whole year. In Timmons’ case, Fox is a very capable backup. No need to rush things.
-We need a different nickname for Logan. “Joystick” is a euphemism for a penis, and besides that used to be Dante Hall’s nickname. Steeler Nation can do better.
-The Steelers don’t need a short-yardage back, they need a line that can get push and maintain blocks in the running game.
-FWP looked as good as he always looks against good defenses, and by that I mean he looked completely ineffective. I have always said about Willie, the only thing he brings to the table is speed, not vision, balance, tackle-breaking ability, or anything else. He’s a one-trick pony and always will be. I like him as a player, but let’s not expect the world from a guy with such a limited skill set, and let’s not act surprised when he fails to gain any yardage or break tackles against good defenses. What we saw last night was status quo.
-Agree that Ben needs a sidecar in the backfield. Just pray it isn’t Mendenhall. He won’t give up his body. The kid is soft.
-Snack looked like crap on one drive, and I think it’s because he was tired. Otherwise he moved up and down the LOS at will. Shit, he even got pressure on the QB. When is the last time you saw that from 98?
-Tone knows this is his year to earn a big contract, and he got off to one helluva start. I am thankful I had the foresight to draft him on my fantasy team.
-Hines needs to do a better job of shaking things off. I’ve never seen him dwell on a bad play like he did last night. He needs to understand that the young guys are watching him all the time. He needs to set a better example than that. Show them how to be a pro. He was all over Sweed last year in the AFCCG to shake off the big drop. He needs to practice what he preaches.
-Ziggy was not ready for the Titans OL.
-There is nothing MT can do to get the running game going right except not playing good defenses. Next week will be tough as well. Then after consecutive games against CIN, SD, DET, and CLE, everyone will be saying how much better the running game is going, and what a genius BA is, and how much better the play calling has been, when the only real change will be the level of competition. Then we will play the Williams Wall and Jared Allen in wk 7 and BA will be an idiot again, our OL will suck again, and we’ll be talking about how MT has to fix the running game, again. Look, we have a serviceable, if not slightly below-average, OL. They will do well against poor defenses and struggle against good ones. That is just the way it is. Talking about how it’s going to be fixed in the middle of the season is like trying to give your car an oil change while you’re going 75 on the parkway. We should have thought of it sooner.
-Our offense needs to consist entirely of the spread formation no-huddle. Put MM in the backfield, Heath on the line or flexed, with Tone, Hines, Wallace, Sweed, and Logan platooning as WRs. The no-huddle limits blitzing, and the spread will open some lanes for MM. Heath can be used as an H-back to lead block, something he was successful at several times last night. This lets Ben call plays at the line, and it gets our best skill guys on the field. Anything that takes play-calling away from BA is good. I love his offense (yes, I’m serious), but damn I hate his play calling.
-7 is entering his prime years. We need to hand him the ball and just tell him to go win the game from the start, not after 58 min of ineffectual BS. It is 100% his offense now, and we will live and die on his right arm.
by JHolmes on Sep 11, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Hines was dwelling on it negatively, he bounced back well to start overtime. I think he was angry at himself and waiting for the coin toss result. If the Titans won that toss and marched down the field he would have been the reason we lost. When the Steelers got the ball he was ready and fired up and made plays.
That Titans O-line is a great veteran line, Ziggy had no chance, he’s just a rook. It’s like when Joe Thomas started his first game against us, the kid’s great, but we killed him. Ran him in circles.
The no huddle works because it is a change of pace, if you run it all the time people will be ready for it, but when the flow of the game all of a sudden changes, and Ben (who was settling down at that point already) gets in a great rhythm, all of a sudden momentum changes and the Steelers take over. That was well played by Arians.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 11, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post as always Truth
My favorite quotes:
J. Harrison, Beast. Lamarr Woodley, Beast. K. Fox, Beast -In-Training
Forget where’s Waldo. Where’s Ziggy?
Laughed out loud.
by SteelerBuddha on Sep 11, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most important thing this offseason, in my opinion, is to sign Holmes. He showed in the postseason, the Super Bowl, and now in Week 1, that is a baller, on his way to being an elite receiver in this league. And at what, 25 years old? He has 7 good years left in him at least. Lock him up, and keep Ben, Holmes, Heath together for the next 5-6 years.
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by NoCal-SteelCity on Sep 11, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree on Hamp
There were a couple plays I was stoked but the commentators pointed out well how, once they subbed out Snack, Hoke came in and blew past Mawae.
Not Ravens
Nor Patriots
by sctx109 on Sep 11, 2009 1:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s a match-up problem for Hampton, he loses to great technique guys with the speed to counter his offset position. But hampton was hustling tonight, I am watching him this season, he’s playing for a contract.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 11, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree on your Disagreeing
Hampton helped Hoke go around Mawae by beating on him the whole game. Big Snack had a very good game tonight. Go watch the film.
by datruth4life on Sep 11, 2009 1:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe true
Early in the game, he seemed to have the edge. But in early 4th quarter, Hamp was getting handled.
Not Ravens
Nor Patriots
by sctx109 on Sep 11, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say Both right.
Snack had a good game, but Mawae did too.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 11, 2009 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tomlin
“I like the way our guys travel light; they don’t tote bags, if you know what I mean.”
Who knows what he means? I appreciate the use of tote and the attempt to bring it back in the American vernacular.
Not Ravens
Nor Patriots
by sctx109 on Sep 11, 2009 1:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He means they don’t carry emotional baggage with them from game to game. Or even play to play.
One of the best lines I heard tonight came from Trey Wingo in ESPN. After an interview with Tomlin, they cut back to the studio and Trey says: “Man, I’d listen to that guy talk about Insurance. he is just so compelling when he talks…”
by MarkJoel66 on Sep 11, 2009 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Tomlin
said that, all I thought about was the ammount of baggage Hines carried around for the last part of the game. It didn’t hurt him though, he used it to club the crap out of people.
by Steelde#1 on Sep 11, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tomlin's getting a little too poetic...
In his halftime interview, Coach T. mumbled something about “large men and blades of grass.” My wife, and I suspect about 10 million viewers who (unlike those who frequent this site) who don’t memorize his every word, went “Huh?!” She said, "did he just answer a question by saying “large men and blades of grass? What the hell does that mean?”
I did like the “they don’t tote bags” one though.
by MelBlunt on Sep 11, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I love Tomlin’s poetic tongue. It is refreshing to see a well-versed speaker in sports when a lot of interviews go along the lines of “uhhh umm we play good uhhh uhhh we win good uhhh”
by Johnny_S on Sep 11, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point was
He needs to remember his audience. I agree that he is usually eloquent, and has a particular gift for turning a memorable phrase. But what he said barely makes sense to me, and at least I recall his “we defend every blade of grass” quote. To those who don’t, he sounds like as big an idiot as those “uhh umm” guys you mention.
by MelBlunt on Sep 11, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or “we is just you know, finding our rhythm, you know…hittin our stride you know, and you know, coach got us real prepared this week. but you know, we’re gonna go back and start workin for next week you know.”
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by NoCal-SteelCity on Sep 11, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same team , same flaws!
Last year we had 2 critical fundamental problems, running and run blocking. We had also one minor fundamental problem wich was Ben’s holding too much to the ball and yes, we couldnt punt, but that was caused by Sepulveda’s injury so I wont count it.
So basically we just needed to fix 3 things, OL, Ben’s turnovers n excessive ball holding and a bit more of OL.
It is clear right now that we have exactly the same fundamental flaws of last year. We didnt resolve any of those 3. And I find it very annoying to say the least.
Our team overall looks better though, we have a serious WR depth, DB depth, a new TE who can really block, C Davis out, Sepulveda back, Mendenhall fresh and thursty, etc. .
But so what? WHY did the staff let the running get to this point?? This is serious shit guys, we wont win another SB playing last years football, lets face it. WE cant depend on our D forever. Even if Ben has a terrific year, even if our WR have a terrific year, I doubt we will get to the SB one dimensional ’cause things looks even worse running this year. Its early, but I hope Tomlin is not satisfied with the lack of OL and running improvement ’cause he surely was satisfied with the OL prior to this game resigning everyone (how ridiculous is that?) .
Call me a perfectionist but I hate Arians and Zierlein to an almost irreational extent. . ..
by setherian on Sep 11, 2009 2:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate to say it
But this game actually improved my opinion of Arians. He dialed up some big plays, and saving the no huddle and breaking it out when he did turned the game.
Our running game sucks, but we’d need to upgrade three O-lineman to really get a big difference, and where does that money come from? the big thing is they protected Ben better, a rookie wouldn’t have done that, and a free-agent, there weren’t any big upgrades that we could afford.
The Steelers bombed in OL picks for a long time, and it takes a while for them to develop, so drafting a ton won’t help now. We can’t have depth and top end starters all over, and the O-line is where we are down right now. other options would be a crappy receiver core or stripping the defense significantly.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 11, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Agree with you about BA. He was not stubborn about it. 3 and 1 and he puts in a 4-wide set. BA is looking up, IMHO.
However, I am in complete agreement with Setherian about Zierlein, I am fully convinced that our troubles start with that guy….
by MarkJoel66 on Sep 11, 2009 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we need to replace 3 OL guys to improve...
we just need to not be playing a blocking scheme that doesn’t suit our personnel. The pass protection at times was very good though, and it’s not like the Titans are powder puff in the pass rush dept either. But as pointed out lots, they really looked good in pass pro dealing with the 4 man rush. That’s what they should be able to do all the time. But they couldn’t manage that last year so kudos on the improvement.
But hell guys, we have 5 guys up front who are just built to be nasty maulers in the run game and we’re asking them to do the finesse thing? Come on Zeirlein get with the programme. Tomlin was a 4-3 guy all the way but he came in and instead of insisting on it, he realised we have the perfect personnel for the 3-4 so he shouldn’t change it. Why don’t we have an OL coach who can make the same assessment. I’ve nothing against the Zone Blocking scheme but we’d need 4 or 5 new guys to be able to run effectively with it. Look at Starks, look at Kemo, Colon, etc. These guys have in line, power blocking written all over them. JUST FREAKIN DO IT!
by KiwiSteelerFan on Sep 11, 2009 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A power blocking line requires backs in to help block. Theoretically a zone scheme doesn’t, just our guys don’t fit that system right now. I was surprised iwth the extension for Hartwig, as Shipley looks like a great zone block center for the future.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 11, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one thing
Pass protection looked much better than it did last year. Yes Ben got hit way too much, but in contrast to last year that was entirely on him. Last year a 4 man rush (and sometimes a 3 man rush) was enough to bring serious pressure on Ben. Tonight – especially during the last three drives, the 4 man rush didn’t even get close to Ben. On half of those big plays our line was knocking their guys to the ground. There were a couple plays that Ben could have held the ball for 10 seconds without being touched. That just didn’t happen last year.
by SteelerBuddha on Sep 11, 2009 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait… two of the sacks were on Ben. Two were on the O-Line. But, I think you are right… the O-line may be better — at pass protection. They still can’t get a push forward, though. And we still have no running attack…
Maybe FWP and Mendy need to take the O-Line to Vegas. Maybe then they’d put out for them like they do for Ben…
by MarkJoel66 on Sep 11, 2009 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is one of the sacks you're putting on Ben the Jones sack?
where he got up and made the sack anyway?
That one’s on the OL. If Ben hadn’t sidestepped the initial rush that sack’s on the OL. Just because he dodges the initial rush but can’t get away from the subsequent rush doesn’t put it on Ben. It’s still on the OL in my book.
by KiwiSteelerFan on Sep 11, 2009 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s the way I look at a sack:
if Ben has no chance to get away — or get the ball away — it’s on the O-Line.
If Ben can do either of those, and chooses not to, it’s on Ben. Ben had plenty of time to throw the ball away and keep us in range for a field goal. Instead, he runs around looking to make a play. As Tomlin put it: “Sometimes Gun Slingers get shot”.
But when that happens, it is nobody’s fault but #7’s.
Again. I love Ben. I’ll take the downside of losing three points here and there, because the upside is winning games and super bowls. But you can’t blame the O-Line for that.
by MarkJoel66 on Sep 11, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely disagree
if the OL doesn’t give the QB time to even finish his dropback, whatever happens after that point the sack should be on the OL. I think for most teams that’s the case but for whatever reason, like they don’t want to upset the runt of the litter, the OL in Pittsburgh gets a pass from Arians and Ben will take the blame himself.
Ben was trying to get out of the tackle box to throw it away (something he did very well in the playoffs last year) but he chose to step left and ran right into the RDE in doing so. If he draws an intentional grounding penalty the end result is exactly the same as a sack, possibly worse as it’s a 10 yard minimum penalty. And we still get no field goal on that play.
by KiwiSteelerFan on Sep 11, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sack for both
Ben was hit quickly. That’s on the O-line. He would have had to read the defense, find the hot read and get rid of the ball in less than 2 seconds, something very few QB’s are capable of, only Brady might have completed the pass, others might have got rid of it for an inc., some might have got that pass picked or fumbled trying to get rid of it. But, Big Ben escaped, rolled back into a deep pocket, had time set up and looked around, nice job by O-Line staying with play….Ben was 20 yards deep, throw the damn ball! The sack came from a Titan that was blocked and thrown to the ground and left for dead to go help Ben. That sack is on Ben. 1 sack for each, the team sacks don’t have to add up, it’s not finance.
by steelerwheeler on Sep 14, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
It was a bit surreal to see how much time Ben had. I am sure the Titans fans are bemoaning that on their board. Also, every Steelers player, without fail, was complementing the OL for how they played.
It might be difficult to swallow but back come the air-it-out days not seen since Tommy Gun (ouch!). But really we are a passing team; another reason why a Steelers fan knows Steelers football best when drafting for fantasy (Big Ben= top 10 QB).
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
by sctx109 on Sep 11, 2009 2:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Steelers beat Towel Stompers
Just watched a great game in which our beloved Steelers beat the "Towel Stomper" Titans. Here we go 1-0 … you know the nice thing about Terry Bradshaw is that you never had to have a bottle of Maalox or roll of Tums on hand while watching a game … with Big Ben it is a different story … but, as usual he came up big when the chips were on the table.
A couple of extremely rare moments in this game: Yes Hines Ward fumbled … but what was rare is that I think that was actually the first time I didn’t see Hines with his eternal "Florida Sunshine" smile. I was like "wow" I never knew what he looked like without smiling.
Another bit of game trivia, and I believe this is a historical first. Ben Roethlisberger – Santonio Holmes hooked up for the last touchdown scored in the last game of last season … the SuperBowl of course. Ben and Santonio hooked up for the first touchdown scored in the first game of this season… think about those odds !!
The only sad note was the injury to Troy Palamalu…up to that point he was dominating and stifling the Titans offensive rhythm, and spearheading the Pittsburgh "D". When he went out, there was a very noticeable difference in the defensive flow and the Towel Stomping Titans made some offensive headway. But the rest of the D finally caught on fire and made some good and crucial stops.
The most underrated Steeler is Mewelde Moore. He is a hidden clutch player that was part of the reason we won the SuperBowl last season, and was clutch in this game also, after he was inserted in place of a "flat" Willie Parker. In my opinion, Mendehall and Moore need many more touches. Parker seems to be on the other side of his peak and headed toward the horizon.
Anyway Steeler Nation we are in for another great season of Steeler football…"7″ is a very real possibility and I’m already on the bandwagon. Go Steelers !!!
by SteelerRon on Sep 11, 2009 2:33 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is correct. Moore's a stud.
The most underrated Steeler is Mewelde Moore. He is a hidden clutch player that was part of the reason we won the SuperBowl last season, and was clutch in this game also, after he was inserted in place of a “flat” Willie Parker. In my opinion, Mendehall and Moore need many more touches. Parker seems to be on the other side of his peak and headed toward the horizon.
by JonathanJoseph on Sep 11, 2009 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Agree, but keep Moore in the stable ‘till you need him like last night. Very few backs are 25 touches per game guys, and none of those are Pittsburgh Steelers. Moore seemed to lose a half step after carrying the whole load for a while last season. Give Mendy a few more carries and even one or two of Moore’s catches each game, keep Moore fresh for the fourth quarter and January. Thanks MeMo.
by steelerwheeler on Sep 11, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
>you know the nice thing about Terry Bradshaw is that you never had to have a bottle of Maalox or roll of Tums on hand while watching a game … with Big Ben it is a different story …
Huh?
Obviously, you didn’t watch Bradshaw the first 4 years when he was a train wreck. Talk about musical QBs. Let’s try Gilliam this week. Or should it be Hanratty? Back to Bradshaw, etc. Finally, Bradshaw got it, but those first four years Maalox wasn’t enough. You needed scotch, bourbon, aspirin, Pepto, Alka-Seltzer and Rolaids watching him play QB.
by RobZagnut on Sep 11, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus his line was anchored by one of the greatest center’s to ever play the game, he had a HoF tailback, a stud fullback, two HoF wideouts…and the greatest collective defensive unit ever supporting him.
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by NoCal-SteelCity on Sep 11, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm more optimistic than most...
.
The Titans went 14-2 last year for good reasons. They have a very tough defense. We should have expected to see our running game struggle against them. It should be also be noted that Essex still needs some experience to gel with the rest of the line. And Frank Summers is super green at his position. All in all, the offensive line did a much better job in this year’s first game than last year’s——and both games were against very tough defenses. Though Chicago has a very tough defense, I think that our OL will show improvement against them.
by Concomitandt on Sep 11, 2009 2:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
You are optimistic.
I’ll have what he’s drinking… oh, wait… it’s Kool-Aid… never mind…
by MarkJoel66 on Sep 11, 2009 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Titans were 13-3
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Steeler_ on Sep 11, 2009 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Game
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Sep 11, 2009 2:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A thought on our run game woes...
First, though, congrats to the Steelers on another gutsy win. It’s such a pleasure to root for a team with so much character. And heal fast, Mr. Polamalu. We love you, and next to Ben you’re our most indispensable player…
As for the run game, the thing that stood out to me last night, besides the lack of a push that many of you have mentioned, was how fast Tennessee’s safeties showed up in the box. On many of the run plays, they simply had too many guys near the LOS for us to block. I don’t know if that’s because BA is tipping his hat by formation, if Ben’s not checking out of run plays when he should (or conversely is checking into them when he shouldn’t) or if we’re not running enough play-action. Whatever it is, there were too many instances where, in our one-back sets, Tennessee had a seven-on six or eight-on-seven advantage in the box. I don’t care who our o-linemen are, if we can’t do a better job of keeping the opposing safeties honest, we’ll never get the run game going. That falls on BA. It will be interesting to see how he handles it…
by cliff harris is still a punk! on Sep 11, 2009 8:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
play action only works...
…if your run game is a threat. It wasn’t the safeties making that many of the tackles on our RBs though, the RBs didn’t make it past the LOS too often.
by KiwiSteelerFan on Sep 11, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is there not more talk about Logan?
He looked absolutely electrifying. The first kick off return was absolutely absurd. He looks fast, and than he hits a switch and seems to be running faster than his feet can go. His jolts and stutter steps were confusing ST players all night.
I see no reason why this guy cannot return 2-3 TDs this season or have punters kicking away from him by the end of the year.
With the addition of him and Sepulveda back, its great to have our ST back.
by Johnny_S on Sep 11, 2009 9:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yup
Logan, and Sepuvalda, vastly improve a huge weakness with the team last year. Punt/kickoff returns are actually exciting now, and when the Steelers have to punt, I feel good about the chances. Last year it seemed every punt was a disaster.
How about when their punter (Heintrich) shanked it late in the game and it went out near the Titans’ sideline? I think it was 21 (Javon Ringer) who looked SO pissed off, like he was going to strangle the guy.
That was the Steelers last year all the time.
As for Willie and the run, Parker is often a guy that goes 1 yard, 1 yard, -2 yards, 25 yards. He broke off two longer runs, but the Steeler o-line wasn’t that great last year, and the Titans are very good at stopping the run.
But the Titans are a very good running time with a very good line, and Chris Johnson only got 57 yards on 15 carried (and two rushing first downs).
Way too early to make a season judgment on the Steeler running game and Parker based on playing a premier D in a super amped atmosphere.
Also, talking about Troy and videogames, that INT was right out of a videogame! in fact, if it had happened, I would have accused the game of cheating.
His loss is killer, but at least 3 of the next 5 opponents are the Bengals, Lions and Browns. His loss hurts against the Bears, and if he is sill out against the Chargers (man, I hate Rivers) that will be awful. but as long as he comes back at full health- maybe after the bye, the Monday night game against the Broncos he will make life miserable for whatever poor soul that trainwreck of a team has behind center.
by vherub on Sep 11, 2009 9:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also, talking about Troy and videogames, that INT was right out of a videogame! in fact, if it had happened, I would have accused the game of cheating.
You don’t know about the Troy Polamalu hack in Madden 10? It let’s you instantly move your player 14 yards in any direction…
by MarkJoel66 on Sep 11, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't such a problem having the safeties down in the box before because FWP could make that extra man miss.
Can he still do that? I’m not sure. It didn’t look like it last night. But Tennessee is very good and the season is young. I hope he finds his stride…
by cliff harris is still a punk! on Sep 11, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
O-Line!
I have read through these posts and I am having a hard time figuring how anyone can praise the OL! They pass protected well it has been said here, especially late in the game!
Well…..
They passed almost every down! The Titans DL dominated them until they wore down. Remember, it is far easier to block than rush. If this were December football, and the Titans DL was up to playing a full 60 minutes, than this would have been a far different story. Our OL is absolutely pathetic!
My comments are not in reference to sacks either (although on one sack 2 guys went right by Starks, one on either side and he touched neither of them), it is all about the run. No holes, none! On 3rd down and short, twice, we could not convert. No running game at all, none!
Oh, but we extended Hartwig
by imike29 on Sep 11, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The sack
Where Starks blocked no one was a total break-down of communication by the line. I think that one you can put squarely on all of them – everyone shifted and literally not a single person on the left side of the line picked up their guy. It was a mental lapse like they had all of last season. The rest of the sacks are all on Ben.
In one he just held the ball way too long.
In one he missed Javon Kearse lined up alone on the side never saw him.
In one (that knocked us out of field goal range) he made the first guy miss and then didn’t get rid of the ball.
What is true is that Ben got hit a total of 8 times. Not sustainable in the long run.
by SteelerBuddha on Sep 11, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the held on way too long one...
… looked more like a coverage sack to me. Ben checked down a few receivers, he had 4 seconds in total from the snap before he was hit (watching the game clock tick down so it could’ve been closer to 5s). It can, after all be someone else’s fault other than Ben or the OL.
The one that knocked us out of field goal range, as I said above, should not be on Ben if he has someone come right up the middle at him before he’s even finished his drop back. That one’s on the OL. Just because he sidesteps the first guy before eventually getting caught does not absolve the OL.
by KiwiSteelerFan on Sep 11, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Titans DL dominated them until they wore down. Remember, it is far easier to block than rush. If this were December football, and the Titans DL was up to playing a full 60 minutes, than this would have been a far different story. Our OL is absolutely pathetic!
How is the Titans DL going to be fresher in December than they are now?
by acrollet on Sep 12, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zebras
I normally don’t like to comment about zebras in Steeler games ‘cuz I don’t think I’m objective enough. I also don’t buy into any of those wackos and their conspiracy theories or “the fix is in” crap. However, what game were they watching in the first half? Pola got 2 big penalties on totally clean plays (PI and pers. foul, not the face mask), Starks got a phantom holding call (Ward’s looked suspicious also, I think that guy fell), and Harrison got held and tackled on another play. I’ll chalk it up to rust for the zebras, but you gotta wonder if NBC asked them to keep the game close ;)
by steelerwheeler on Sep 11, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Inactive? lazy WR?
Besides Timmons, who was inactive last night?
Who was the WR that lazily jogged after the Big Ben hail Mary pick? Yes there were 5 blockers, but he need to hustle and make an attempt, slow down the return or even pick off a blocker or two. Fifty lashes with a wet noodle!
by steelerwheeler on Sep 11, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Santonio Holmes
Did anybody else find it funny that he celebrated every catch enfatically??? He was pumped!
by steelersfan86 on Sep 11, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Holmes Trivia
Has anyone seen or heard that Holmes is the first player to score the last points of one season and the first points of the following season?
He’s got to be, right? Seems unlikely that it’s happened before.
by Steelers in XLIV on Sep 11, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Technically not true
Considering Jeff Reed scored the last point of last year.
by Johnny_S on Sep 11, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
might be the first player to score the last touchdown of the previous season, and the first touchdown of the new season though…
he is only the second SB MVP to have a 100 yard game in his first game back after winning the MVP…they other receiver is Jerry Rice.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on Sep 11, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true.
Can you believe I benched Holmes in one of my FF leagues…for Derrick Mason none-the-less. Shame on me.
by Johnny_S on Sep 11, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blasphemy!
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Steeler_ on Sep 11, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I told you!
It’s disgusting in retrospect
by Johnny_S on Sep 11, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hang you head in shame.
Santonio has a vision of being an elite WR. he’s got the QB and surrounding cast to pull it off.
Wallace’s catch and his speed, and Limas’ height and speed and Ward’s myriad of intangibles will not allow teams to focus on Holmes. He may get the best cover guy, but he won’t see double teams like he would on other teams.
I know I have said I thought Sweed and Wallace might pull catches from Holmes, but Wallace is showing himself to be a bigger threat than I thought, and we’ll see about Sweed, but I think they might not ignore those guys so I’m switching back to Holmes having a big year on his way to playing himself into a big time contract somewhere else. Hopefully I’m wrong about that last part.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 11, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace
Loved what we saw from Wallace last night.
On the play where Ben appeared to underthrow Wallace deep, Collinsworth suggested that the intent may have been to hit Hines on an out and up but that Ward got tangled up.
I didn’t see that at all. Did you? I thought Wallace was clearly the target and Ben just missed the throw, possibly not adjusting to Wallace’s speed yet.
by Steelers in XLIV on Sep 11, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I agree, I was telling the TV (Collinsworth) he was wrong
It’s crazy to think his speed is that “different” for a 5 year vet QB to adjust to. I’m very excited to see that kid catch a deep ball.
by Johnny_S on Sep 11, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will not bench Holmes again
My logic was the Titans have a very good defense and KC just sucks. Mason should have the better game.
by Johnny_S on Sep 11, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Legit logic.
I’m curious to see what our WRs will do if we have success on the ground.
Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL
by steelguy99 on Sep 11, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did the same thing.
Even as well as Santonio played, Mason should have a monster game against the Chiefs….smart move even if you feel like a traitor…..
by dawgs144 on Sep 11, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW -- where was Sweed?
Saw Wallace several times.
But where in the world was Limas Sweed? Was he injured or something?
by MarkJoel66 on Sep 11, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My question is
Did McDonald even touch the field last night?
by Johnny_S on Sep 11, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would have been hard given that he was inactive.
Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL
by steelguy99 on Sep 11, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strike 1 for me
I need to read up on how the roster and active/inactive works.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Sep 11, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice sig line.
Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL
by steelguy99 on Sep 11, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like Wallace is the guy they prefer...
…in the hurry up offense which is where Wallace seemed to be doing most of his work. Makes sense as he’s the fastest guy and running the deep routes. It means the safety has to drop deep and leaves the underneeath open for Ward and Miller.
No huddle offense appeared to be: Ward/Wallace/Miller/Holmes/Moore
two fast guys with moves and 3 guys who’ll catch anything thrown their way underneath.
by KiwiSteelerFan on Sep 11, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Game Guys
Sorry to anyone I pissed off. Just wanted to get in your heads.
You guys have alot of problems though on both sides of the ball. Passing game looked alright, but it was mainly because the Titans stopped rushing Ben for some reason. He will make some plays even when pressured, but will also not make some plays. However, when you give him 6-8 seconds, he is going to eat you alive.
Ben and your WR are really good, but without the support of your running game, especially against heavy pass rushing teams, you guys might struggle pretty badly on offense. Mendenhall looked so lost out there and maybe you guys should bring Redman back That hail mary at the end of the 2nd game was pointless and nearly cost you all the game. I can tell you this much, I bet Arians would not try that on the Ravens, cause you know Ed Reed would have put up 6.
Again, just like all of last year, you guys were outplayed on paper but came through and got it done. Did not like seeing Troy walk off the field and be out for 3-6 weeks cause he is the only player I really like on Pitt. Just an absolute animal and is the best open field tackler in the NFL, above Bob Sanders. I think he will be out 3 weeks way before he is out for 6 weeks. Too good of an athlete and a physical freak, will not be hurt that long.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Sep 11, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Troy takes awhile to recover, and does not rush back from injuries. He takes what his body is telling him seriously and will wait until healthy, and it’s best that he does for the steelers.
The passing game looked better than alright. The titans continued to rush Ben in the manner that they did last year, it just didn’t work. Our O-line still sucks, but the problems you point out were apparent last year and we won a few games then. We had little push in the running game, and we couldn’t pass protect against good front 4s.
I doubt our O-line can pick up blitzes. I know they can’t run block. I know that they pass protected better against a vanilla 4 rush than they did all of last year, and for an extended period of time. As much as you won’t want to admit it, the steelers are improved.
The titans O lit us up a bit, but that isn’t really any different than last year. What was different was Ben’s play and the O-line’s play. Sorry to disappoint you, but they have gotten better.
Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL
by steelguy99 on Sep 11, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think that rushing 3 guys in the whole 2nd half was “continuing” to rush. That is the mistake we made when we lost to you guys last year. We got a lead, and started playing passive. For some reason, Ben just picks apart prevent defenses. Even though it is tough to stop him from making plays even when you rush Ben, you are not going to win when giving ANY Quarterback 6-8 seconds to make a play.
Your offense has definitely gotten better. It still has problems. IE the running game, which could be ranked last in the league this year. But Ben finds a way to win even when the other team is out playing the Steelers.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Sep 11, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think that rushing 3 guys in the whole 2nd half was "continuing" to rush.
I only saw them rush 3 maybe twice or so in the second half – it was almost exclusively a 4-man rush.
by acrollet on Sep 12, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did love seeing Heins Ward smiling before he got stripped. Typical asshole that he is. I was pointing and laughing at the TV at that time.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Sep 11, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, had to go and ruin it...
I was just thinking that I was enjoying hearing this side of your commentary – knowing much of the pre-game stuff is trash-talking’ – and then you go and crap on Hines.
The other post-game comments were right on though.
by dawgs144 on Sep 11, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, had to.
Most hated player on your team by far, and seeing him miserable at any time is great. But yea, all the pre-game talk I did yesterday was just to mess with you guys. I like when people have me in the back of their heads saying “god I hope we win so I can say F*** You to MaLoR.” I was not going to come back here and laugh at you all IF you lost. Well, maybe just a little ; )
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Sep 11, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure you would have, it would be more shocking if you didn't.
I still get amazed at the responses you get on here. You would think by now that the group would know what you’re doing. And yet almost daily, I see at least one if not 10 people going back at you. Tough to tell in typing, but my guess is that most of them are irate.
Personally I save the passion for when the game is on; you however, get those buttons pushed…in the back of their heads is right.
by dawgs144 on Sep 11, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should check out the Titans post game thread, they had a Class A Troll over there, the thread was hilarious.
All the proper Troll responses, it was a thing of beauty. Got them all riled up too.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 12, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair comment...
if Ward was a Raven I’d probably hate him more than any other guy there.
But conversely Malor, you know that if Ward was a Raven you’d love him as much as we do!
by KiwiSteelerFan on Sep 11, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for giving me nightmares tonight of seeing Ward in purple.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Sep 11, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I meant more like if you’d drafted him and he’d done what he’s done for the Steelers for the Ravens instead. You’d love him.
by KiwiSteelerFan on Sep 11, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hate Ward if Raven?
Don’t think so…Raven’s got accessories to murder and drug dealing cut-Steelers to hate, I may respect and fear an excellent opposing player (and wish him the flu), but I reserve hate for the Ravens felons who disgrace the NFL.
by steelerwheeler on Sep 14, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Explain more how we disgrace the NFL? Ray Lewis was not accused of murder and we shipped off Jamal Lewis after we heard of his cocaine involvement.
You guys have rapists and pot smoking felons on your team.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Sep 14, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holding Calls!
Besides my disgust concerning our OL, I do have another comment to make about the officials!
I thought they were going to call more holding penalties? Harrison (and Woodley) wwere mugged a few times, and one of them (on Harrison) came a few plays after they called Starks for holding (forearm on back of guys neck as he is falling to the ground, wtf kind of call is that?)!
Further, that pass interference call on Troy was an absolute joke! He was looking for the ball and was run over by the WR!
GO STEELERS!
Ps….. Waiting on word about Troy, man I hope everything comes back clean and it is just a sprain.
by imike29 on Sep 11, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't like blaming anything in the end on Refs
Although I will yell and whine about calls during the game.
That being said, the one play where Starks got called for a holding call where he stuck his fore-arm into the guy’s neck area and took him to the ground was questionable. Fine. Holding. The next series for the Titans, a lineman did the exact same thing to Harrison, ref watching, and there was no call. At least be consistent, zebras.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Sep 11, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see him jump on Harrison?
Yeah, he not only held Harrison, but after the play he threw him to the ground and jumped on top of him! Like you said: no call and right in front of the ref.
by Billy52 on Sep 11, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pass interference call
I don’t think it was catchable anyway. But the only one of the two who might have caught it was Troy. If it was pass interference it should’ve gone the other way. Titan took a soccer style dive and the refs bought it. Poor officiating but because of the offsetting penalty it didn’t kill us. Just meant they were 2nd and 7 instead of 2nd and 12 I think?
Harrison’s going to get held all season long and he won’t draw many flags. I don’t know why this is other than refs feel he makes enough big plays without their help. That’s the only conclusion I can draw. When I see what some other players round the league (not even Steelers opponents) get called for and see opposing Tackles get away with against both Harrison and Woodley, it’s definitely not a level playing field out there.
by KiwiSteelerFan on Sep 11, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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