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That thinks it is beyond time for Isaac Redman to be brought up.

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  That game on thursday was practically screaming his name.  Look I like Frank Summers and I think he has a decent career ahead of him but now is not his time.  As the other fanpost with his blocking video shows, he is not ready at all.  Redman was pounding it in time after time during the preseason.  So what is the hold up?  Mewelde Moore was by far and away our best running back on thursday.  I was impressed wtih Mendenhall at least he could gain a few more yards and actually fall forward.  Willie's problem is that he does way to many stutter steps.  As soon as he gets the ball he starts dancing in the backfield.  If he would just take off every time then he would actually get a few yards.  Perfect example, on one play a Titan got through the line and went for an ankle tackle on him.  Willie could have easily spun out of it but instead he just hit the deck for a three yard loss.  Me and my dad said at the same time "The old Willie would have got out of that."  I dont know what is problem is but i'm just guessing that its all of his dance moves.  Just please bring up Redman.  He can slam it through on short yardage and run a few guys over in the process.  Frank Summers might just be a fourth grader trapped in a jersey. 

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Which RB should be demoted?
Willie Parker
31 votes
Rashard Mendenhall
11 votes
Mewelde Moore
3 votes
Frank Summers
61 votes

106 votes | Poll has closed

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I disagree

Redman is still a work in progress. If the running game starts to work, I could see him coming in to contribute.

I would rather have him on the roster at this time, but Frank seems to do well in blocking. Hes had a bad game, it was his NFL debut. So cut him some slack.. :)

by tcp on Sep 12, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Redman

I guess we won’t no until it actually happens. It is hard to judge based on pre-season gains against mostly second string or slightly uninspired first string defenses. He certainly looked like he hit the holes with some authority but one play stands out and I think is the main reason he isn’t in there now. In the Buffalo game he took a quick pitch that even average speed running backs could have turned the corner on and made a decent gain. Instead it looked like he was running in sand and he took about a 3 yard loss. He does have power but he is slooow. If he had even decent speed I think he would be in there.

by DarinS on Sep 12, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

your poll is bogus

there’s no “none” option. Seriously, the titans have a lights-out run D, and they were also picking their poison by stacking the box. Someone else pointed out that when no backs are getting good yards, it probably points to the line being the problem.

by acrollet on Sep 12, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

thats what I was gonna say

wheres the “none of the above option”?

I don’t blame the RBs for the lack of yards in that game.

by shleeve on Sep 12, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think its bogus you dont remember summers completely whiffing on a block at the 3rd and short by the goal line. he blocks the guy and its probably a first down

redman may not be the answer, but if summers isnt gonna perform as a fullback or a shortyardage back he shouldnt be on the roster

by t1mmy10 on Sep 12, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bogus indeed

I vote none of the above

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Sep 13, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Play call

Weak post. I would have to blame the low yardage on the weak 2 TE set and the stout run d. Parker is a finely tuned athletic machine.

by MSsteele on Sep 12, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

o line

BTW, take out the 2 runs by johnson for 30 yards and 19 yards…and they even with us on rushing yards…with that GREAT O line they have!

by nycsteelerfan on Sep 12, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Take out the two runs?

The point is, when Chris Johnson had a chance to make a play, he did. You can’t take away those runs, can you? When you are playing a tough defense you generally will have only a few good chances to make hay in the running game. Chris Johnson made the most of what he had. Can you say the same about FWP? Don’t tell me there was nothing there on all of his carries, because that is BS. Twice I saw lanes open up giving him a gap to the secondary. On one, he was indecisive, and was wrapped up for about a three yard gain. The other play, to the left, he took it too far left instead of cutting it back inside a bit. If I remember, he gained about 4 yards, when there was eight, or nine to be had.
   I am not defending the O-Line, they were very poor in run blocking. The running backs, Parker, and Mendenhall didn’t help matters. I don’t know if Redman would have been able to convert any of those 3rd and 1 plays. I did know Parker wasn’t going to do it. I think at some point we will see Redman this year. Tomlin is gonna get sick of seeing our drives stall because we can’t pick up one stinking yard in the running game when we have to have it.

Blame the offensive line all you want, but the running backs share that burden, and Tomlin knows it

13 years and no playoff wins for the Dallas Cowboys... SWEET!

by idiscgolftexas on Sep 12, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

It doesn't matter

who the RB is at this point. No back would be successful here right now. Even Peterson. Parker and Mendenhall performed well in light of the circumstances regarding their blocking. If they get blocking they will produce. They are too talented not to. Redman is not a superstar. Sure he looked like he was pretty good in the preseason but so did Gary Russell in 2007. Not taking anything away from Russell, he played well for us last year but I’d take all of this years RB’s over Russell or Redman.

by BubbyBrister6 on Sep 12, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Performed Well? Let's take a poll on that!

13 years and no playoff wins for the Dallas Cowboys... SWEET!

by idiscgolftexas on Sep 12, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Jesus christ if you want “none” in my poll then go make your own. So for a first round pick and 5,000 yard rusher these are supposed to be awesome running backs? Give me a break Summers looked awful.

by PITT3639 on Sep 12, 2009 6:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks!

You should post this at onlymywaycounts.com

by tcp on Sep 12, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The guy made a post, contribute, or ignore it

It’,s legitimate. Stop whining about none of the above.

13 years and no playoff wins for the Dallas Cowboys... SWEET!

by idiscgolftexas on Sep 12, 2009 8:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Quit all the Redman love

Please, someone tell me how many carries Mendy has in the regular season…less than 30? Don’t you think it’s a little premature to call him a bust? He has the look of a player that will only get better with reps. Let’s give him a chance.

Also, note that he was the only Steelers running back that didn’t get stopped on 3rd down. Because the coaches wouldn’t give him the chance. Just like all of you so called fans who don’t want to give him a chance, yet want to throw the starting job to an undrafted rookie who had a few good runs against 2nd and 3rd team defenses in PRESEASON. Add to that, Mendy was the only running back that moved the pile against the Titans, which everybody in these posts said he couldn’t do. Give the boy a chance in the regular season. All-pros aren’t made in the preseason!

by mactastic07 on Sep 12, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Wouldnt drop any of them

Drop Summers, then we lose the closest thing to a fullback we have. Hell no

Demote Parker from starter to non-squad member? Hell no

Demote Mendenhall – Essentially a rookie 1st round pick. Hell no

Demote Mendenhall. Probably most reliable and versatile back on the roster, but not a 20-25 carry a game guy. Hell no

Face it. Redman was cut because there was no room. 31 teams passed on him ok? 31 TEAMS PASSED. What do you think you know that they dont?

Its the first game against one of the best D-Lines in the game. Wait to hit the panic button untill we fail to run against teams like Detroit or Cleveland

Next week is the Bears, pretty good run Defense again. I bet youre gonna scream for Redman again next week.

Face it, on 3rd and short, it was our lines fault. Show me any running back other than maybe Barry Sanders who can get a yard when there are 3 guys in the backfield as soon as the ball is snapped?

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by Michael Hewitt on Sep 12, 2009 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

hasn't anyone else noticed

Ok, everyone wants Redman. I thought he was looking pretty good, ran with authority, moved some piles, but this was mainly against 2nd string defenses or 1st stringers who’s main goal is to make it through pre-season without getting hurt. He has a lot of very nice qualities but what he doesn’t have is what you can’t teach and that is speed. He got eaten alive on a pitch that an average back would have been able to turn the corner on and get at least 5 yards, instead it was about a 3 yard loss and he looked like he was running in sand. Maybe that doesn’t matter and we just need him to slam into a wall and gain 1 yard but I have the believe that is why he isn’t one of the 53. Did anyone else see this or am I the only one.

by DarinS on Sep 12, 2009 11:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Speed isn't what we need at RB

The team needs a short-yardage back. They already have a speed back but, without any run blocking, this doesn’t help. People have said Redman is too small to be a fullback and too slow to play in the NFL. But it’s all just talk until we see the guy play in an NFL game that counts.

by Billy52 on Sep 13, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

A guy who can reliably pick up 2 yards is only useful in 3rd and 1 situations, which is why Tomlin said he would have to play ST or block like a FB to make the team, he failed at those, no way a spot on the active roster goes to a guy who can only contribute to two or three plays a game and the rest of the time is better off not on the field.

by Phantaskippy on Sep 13, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

And a guy who plays fullback and can’t block is worth… what exactly?

We are carrying Logan who only returns punts. Why not a guy that only gets short yardage? Remember when the Buss was leading the league in scoring with 20 yards of rushing? Having him in as a specialty guy worked pretty well there.

OK, I know, he was the Bus. And he was worth something as a leader int eh locker room as well. My point is, it was nice to have a go to guy when we needed a yard.

FWP ain’t that guy. FWP has never been that guy.

by MarkJoel66 on Sep 14, 2009 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's all Bruce's fault!

If your offense is averaging 1.6 yards per carry, why set up in an obvious run formation and run on 3rd and 2?
At some point the playcalling has got to be a bit more unpredictable…
Willie brought this up last year, but the “5 Lombardi trophy” quote from Tomlin kinda silenced his opinion.
That doesn’t make it any less true…
If you look at our formations on the line before the snap, you can pretty much tell from the formation whether we’re going to run or pass.
Now if you and I can know what’s coming from our living rooms, what makes you think the opposing defenses can’t see what’s coming 5 miles away?
My solution to this problem is to give Ben the keys to the offense…
Bruce can call the formation and give Ben 3 plays to choose from @ the line of scrimmage.
Safety in the box?
Pass play.
Safety lined up in deep coverage?
Run play.
Safety going back and forth between 8th man and cover man?
Run a Playaction pass play.
Ben has been here long enough. He knows the offense like the back of his hand. He’s wanted to run the offense since SB XL. I say let him.

by Mr 412 on Sep 13, 2009 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t know if I like that. Ben calls a limited number of plays that he likes in the no huddle, and we don’t really run then.

If you have Ben call the plays with his belief in himself and his competitive nature I think you would see certain plays that would get defended easier and almost no runs. Kind of like Peyton over in Indy, but with less diversity in the passing game. Great QB’s will put the ball in their own hands even when they don’t need to. Statistics have shown that even if you suck at running you have to do it to be more successful.

by Phantaskippy on Sep 13, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree But Good Post

Personally I think that the problem with the running game is a combination of the athletes at OL, the blocking scheme, the play calling and the lack of the RBs hitting the correct hole.

I personally do not think a rookie FA RB that 31 other teams have passed on (stole that from someone above!) and the Steelers have already cut is the answer. Redman looked good in preseason against the 2nd and 3rd team. There is always a FA RB on the Steelers that leads us in preseason rushing because FWP, Bettis or whomever the starter is has been shut down for the regular season.

I don’t see anyone getting demoted. I agree with above that state it is not the RBs issue that there are no holes to run through. I don’t see them changing the scheme as BA is too stubborn. I don’t see the Steelers changing athletes as they signed Hartwig, Starks and Kemo long term. I see the Steelers having big days on the ground against the weaker competition and being stifled against good defenses and forced to pass. IMO we still need to find a RB to replace FWP next year. Hope Big Ben has another big year. I will take the W’s and the Lombardi but I miss the running game…

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Sep 13, 2009 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh dont worry i hate Arians he might just be the worst OC in all of football college or pro. I’m aware that you don’t demote Mendenhall, Parker, or Moore but i’m obligated to put them into the poll. And for the guy that said 31 teams passed on Redman so obviously nobody wants him…how many teams passed on James Harrison and Willie Parker??

by PITT3639 on Sep 13, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

While I only repeated the quote from Steeler_ (didn’t write it) I don’t think it is an indictment on Redman’s talent or ability. IMO the point of the statement is you don’t cut a Mewelde Moore or #1 like Mendenhall for every Tom, Dick or Isaac FA RB that comes along.
Sure FWP and Deebo are great FA stories. But they are great stories because it just doesn’t happen every day. I liked Redman in preseason. I feel the kid has talent. Now, spend a season on the practice squad and be ready if injuries happen at RB in 09. Win a spot on the 53 in 10. Good post PITT.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Sep 13, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

The hate on Arians is pretty tiring

In my opinion, BBs development into a great, game on the line QB, can be partially attributed to Arians.

     What really humors me is this notion that Redman couldn’t possibly help our situation. I get why he didn’t make the team, it was a numbers game.

     Let me also add that Rashard Mendenhall is to the Steelers, what Bobby Carpenter is to the Cowboys. He will be on this team a couple years longer, only because he was a first round draft pick, just like Carpenter is doing with the Cowboys. Some guys got it, some guys don’t. The RB position is not a position you spend years developing your skills on, and improving. It’s an instinctual position, and I really believe the people who are pumping up Mendenhall are doing so simply because they are hoping it will happen. Other than an odd play or two, he really hasn’t shown why the Steelers wasted a !st round pick on him. Alas, he is a first round pick, so he will continue to get chances to prove the naysayers wrong

 
     

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by idiscgolftexas on Sep 13, 2009 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

somewhat agree

Hate is pretty strong and I do agree with you on the fact that Arians had much to do with Ben’s development. I do understand the frustration though. It is very painful to watch the predictable and unimaginative response to short yardage situations as well as the train wreck that is the zone blocking system. This is one of the biggest lines we have had and yet I can’t remember a time when there has been so little push from the OL. People are frustrated and quite frankly throwing darts at the wall because it is so messed up it is hard to tell who’s to blame. Is the lack of talent on the OL, is it the system, is it the play calling, is it the backs or a combination of all of the above. My gut says it is the zone system because even the RB’s look confused as to where they should go and also some really conservative play calling in the short yardage game. Who decision is this, BA’s so he is going to take the heat. As humored as you are about people that don’t think Redman could help us, I am just as humored by those that talk about him like he could be our savior. Could he come in and help on some short yardage situations, maybe but really the way the blocking is right now I really doubt that he would make that much of a difference and that has little to do with him. The run blocking has been so bad I doubt almost anyone would make a difference until that is straightened out. Redman has power but he is slow, on the other hand so was Czonka and he had a pretty good career but really fix the blocking first, then we can get a true read on all of our RB’s. I have questioned many things about the Steelers over the years but judging talent has never been one of them because they are simply one of the best as far as that is concerned. Mendy beast or bust, I agree everyone wants him to be a beast, myself included, but really you almost have to look at him like a rookie and we haven’t seen enough of him yet to make a judgement on.

by DarinS on Sep 13, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing first

I’m all for it. I dont think you demote anybody though just yet.

Parker had nowhere to go. Hell nobody did. None of the backs did shit. And therefore you cant praise the one that had no chance at all!

I really dont get though, why they didnt give Summers a couple carries. Instead they went on those back to back Waltzing Mewelde 1 yard attempts that sucked large nut. So yeah idk…

Give it time. That was likely the second hardest D we are going to face besides Baltimore, and our O-line is god awful

by Mechem on Sep 14, 2009 12:19 AM EDT reply actions  

what if....

FWP bust for 104 yrd VS Chi this week? then what?

Im ALL for redman being on our team(glad he cleared waivers) but with no holes to run thru lets give it a break.

is Perenialness a word? cuz if so, thats what the stillers got. perenialness

by Steelchamps !! on Sep 14, 2009 12:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Unless Redman...

can play RG there’s not much point to calling him up.

by KiwiSteelerFan on Sep 14, 2009 8:20 AM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn't demote yet

I don’t think there will be a need. Someone is going to get hurt, and Redman will probably get a chance to do something then. You don’t want a knee-jerk situation here. We got the win against a high quality foe. That buys everybody more time to try and fix it.

13 years and no playoff wins for the Dallas Cowboys... SWEET!

by idiscgolftexas on Sep 14, 2009 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

By demote...

You all mean cut or released right? This isn’t baseball or hockey. You can’t call up or send down players. We would have to release or trade one of these guys, demotion is not an option.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Sep 14, 2009 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Our short yardage back this year

could easily be whoever is the best at protecting Ben, when we are in the 4 receiver set.

"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." Jack Lambert

by LongTimeSteelersFan on Sep 14, 2009 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

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