BTSC Steelers Daily Six Pack- Getting Ready For Week 2 Edition
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 14, 2009 4:17 PM EDT
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PrintIX-Steeler Nation seems to really be confident heading into next week at Soldier Field against the Chicago Bears, in part because of the horrible performance of Jay Cutler last night, and partly because of the news that Brain Urlacher will miss the remainder of the season due to a dislocated bone in his wrist. The talk in Chicago is that Derrick Brooks formerly of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers could be signed to take over for the injured Urlacher. From the talk around BTSC you would think that Urlacher's injury means that the Steelers have clinched the division title, it is one player on a quality defense and they will overcome that injury if they are a solid team. Also, Cutler has played against the Steelers in 2007 so he is probably more familiar with the Steelers defense than he was facing a defense that has no tape to study, I expect a physical and close match-up at Soldier Field.
X-I watched a lot of football yesterday and I had a ton of fun getting back into regular season football, but it still didn't feel perfect yet, that will happen next week when the Steelers play on Sunday. I apologize to you sports junkies who have already seen this run a thousand times on Sportscenter and every other highlight show, but Adrain Peterson is a beast, a physical specimen and this run will be showing in Canton if he can stay healthy enough to sustain his NFL career. Look at the way he literally stiff arms and throws the Cleveland defender, comes to a complete stop and then starts back up and scores a touchdown, amazing.
XIII-If you haven't heard already the Steelers long standing rule that they don't negotiate contracts with players during the season must not apply to the coaching staff, specifically Mike Tomlin. Reports are the Steelers are looking to extend the contract of Mike Tomlin and I am hoping its a lifetime deal that says he can coach as long as he wants. If you didn't already know, I like Mike Tomlin, a lot; and I will have some more thoughts on Tomlin's future in Pittsburgh later this week.
XIV-Ed Bouchette ponders whether the Steelers should actually abandon "Steeler Football" and start gearing their offense to what has worked in the past few years, a passing attack that sets up the run, not vice-versa. Hines Ward weighs in with his thoughts and personally I would like to see the Steelers use the no-huddle offense more than they currently do. Ben operates well out of that set-up and that style of offense always creates mismatches.
XL-I think Ben is a top five quarterback and I personally wouldn't want anyone else leading my team, but not everyone thinks the same way. Ben's intangibles don't always show up in the stat-line, but those true Steeler fans have kept the memory
XLIII-Bloggers do a ton of work creating unique and solid content and many times I tend to lean on my favorite sites for post-game analysis so I thought I would spread the wealth and leave you with a bunch of different choices for post-game analysis.
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Reports are the Steelers are looking to extend the contract of Mike Tomlin and I am hoping it a lifetime deal that says he can coach as long as he wants
The terms of that contract sound very reasonable to me.
Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL
Pay him infinity dollars
And all the cupcakes he wants.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Sep 14, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Give the man a life supply of gold trim aviator glasses and a wardrobe of puffy black jackets
Bring a towel to the game. Black or gold or yellow. If you don't have one buy one, If you can't buy one, dye one!!!
by SoCalSteelerFan on Sep 14, 2009 11:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and watermellon!
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Just had to get racial with it.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Throwing Eric Wright to the ground like that was just embarrassing. Can’t wait to see him do that to Ike Taylor.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Almost as embarassing as...
…giving up 24 points to a Brodie Croyle-led Chiefs team that just fired their O coordinator last week. Is it possible to actually hear someone licking their chops?
Yeah, i was completely shocked when i saw Ravens tied 24-24 with Kansas City.
Not too sure what to read out of that. Hopefully it’s an actual reflection of Baltimore’s Defense declining.
Still too early to tell though.
188 total yards allowed? Not so sure that is any sign of declining. The Defense allowed 17 points, 7 of which came from a 5 yard drive after the INT by Flacco.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Not talking down your defense
But it just shows that you can play good D and good O all game, but a couple big moments can still lose you the game
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Sep 14, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you be bragging about that?
Had the scored ended up 27-24 Chiefs?
The fact still remains…you almost lost to a really shitty team.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Croyle had about 170 yards, 50 of which came on one play. The Chiefs special teams scored a TD for them, so Brodie was responsible for 17 points. And one of his TD’s came after a 70 yard INT and they only had 5 yards to score.
They were totally dominated that game and all that matters is a win.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Croyle's stat line...
looks just like one of Flacco’s from last year that had you praising him mightily.
I’m sure the Ravens’ D will be very good again. But so will Ike Taylor.
Flacco’s first 5 games: 1 TD 7 INT’s
Flacco’s last 11 games: 14 TD’s 5 INT’s
Those last 11 games were the reason we praised him. And the fact that he was the QB for a team that went to the AFCC. There has to be something special about a guy who is the first rookie QB to win 2 playoff games, and both of them ON THE ROAD.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Please point...
to one game last year against a good D where Flacco had the stats Croyle put up yesterday. I defy you.
66% completion, 170 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs.
Had Flacco put up those numbers against a good defense (say Pitt, in the AFCCG), you’d have offered to twease his eyebrow(s).
Flacco against your Steelers in week 4
- 16/31, 191 yards and a Touchdown against the number 1 defense in the league last year. Not too bad. Yes I know he had a fumble, but he was blind sided and out LT missed the block. This was an overtime loss.
- 12 completions, 183 yards, 2 Touchdowns against the Eagles, who had the number 3 ranked defense last year. This was a win.
Pretty comparable stats. Need anything else?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
So looks like Flacco is as good as Brodie Croyle, thanks for providing the stats.
Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL
by steelguy99 on Sep 15, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1 Hahaha
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Also...
in those playoff games…he had a 44% completion % and 1 TD and 3 INTs. So don’t act like he had anything to do with thos wins.
You are way too caught up in the media image that you MUST have Manning or Brady stats in order to get credit for leading your team deep in the playoffs at the QB position. And this is coming from someone who credits Ben for leading them to the Superbowl when his stats were barely better than Flaccos. Actually had more turnovers than Flacco. So is Ben not a reason you guys won a Superbowl? I guess the defense had all those 4th quarter combacks with James Harrison at QB and Casey Hampton at RB.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Not necessarily true
Even with the horrible performance in the SB, Ben’s rating was 101 for the entire playoffs…due to his play in the previous three games (7 TDs 1 INT). If you’re talking about the year before when Ben only got to the AFCCG, I would say that he was the reason they were beat by NE (and almost beat by NY). I wouldn’t have said he played well as you contend with regard to Flacco. It wasn’t until the next year that he stepped it up (excluding the SB). There was nothing “special” until then. Now, if Flacco does that, then the comparison holds. But, if I were you, I woudln’t have wanted to compare my savior QB’s performance to Ben’s performance in his first playoffs.
And if you go back and watch the last SB, he did make one of the best (if not the best) drives to win the game. Has Flacco done something similar?
I’m not necessarily saying Flacco is bad. In fact I think he could become very good. I’m just saying don’t diminish Croyle’s performance, especially when he put up a 116 rating…which, by the way, is much better than Flacco’s in either game you mention above.
And I’m also not saying that a QB has to put up Brady or Manning stats. But you cannot tell me, objectively, that Flacco was the reason you won the first two playoff games last year (~45%, 300 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT). I’d say 20 QBs in the NFL are capable of putting up those numbers in a two game stretch. Did he cost you the game?…no. Did he do anything to put his name on the win?…no. I can at least admit that about Ben in his first playoffs.
That's true
Under-50% completion rates, ZERO touchdowns, minimal yardage and numerous INTs against teams that were desperately trying to lose just screams “special”. ;-)
Even Ben’s rookie playoffs were better, as he at least had a few TD passes and decent yardage and completion percentage.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
by LV Steelers Fan on Sep 14, 2009 7:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Surprised I am hearing this from you guys
Coming from a team where ugly football is ideal as long as you get the win. Ben won you guys a Superbowl with the worst performance ever by a QB to win a Superbowl. Now, the stats were not spectacular, but Ben did jusssssssssst enough to get the win.
You guys need to realize that its not always about what you do, but what you don’t do when you win games like we did. Flacco made ENOUGH plays to get us to the AFCC, where he crumbled.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Oops, sorry
I thought you were including the AFCCG. At any rate, we should find out plenty about the Ravens in San Diego next week.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
by LV Steelers Fan on Sep 14, 2009 8:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Of course I would not include the AFCC
Flacco was a main reason we lost that game. I obviously will not say that that Joe was the primary reason that we got to the AFCC last year, because we did have the #2 defense and best running game in the AFC. But as a Baltimore fan and I am sure that EVERYONE in who follows the Ravens will tell you, we would not have gotten to the AFCCG with Kyle Boller or Troy Smith at QB. Flacco was a prime game manager. The thing I do not get about people here and everywhere else around the league, is that is a rookie head coach and new Off. Coor with the Ravens supposed to have their rookie QB put up insane numbers, be the main reason for winning games, or even let alone get to the AFCC?!? There is a reason why Joe was the first QB to ever win 2 playoffs games, both of which were on the road. He is a special talent.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I think...
the issue is…when it’s “your” guy, you tend to look at the potential more than fans of other teams do. So when Ben came out and led Pitt to a 15-1 record, which had never been done by a rookie either, we all thought we had something special. But fans of other teams pointed to his bad playoffs and weren’t convinced yet. IMO, Ben didn’t do anything special until later on…in his rookie year, he showed potential but didn’t really show much more than the ability to manage the game and minimize mistakes.
When its your guy, you always want to annoint him too quickly. Flacco definitely played well for a rookie. But I’d submit that he had nothing to do with those playoff wins. Many other QBs could have played just as well and achieved the same result (though maybe not Boller or T. Smith…but I don’t think either one of those would be the bar for “special talent”). Would you have called Trent Dilfer a “special talent” after his performance for you? I doubt it. Yet he basically had the same performance as Flacco, right?
Flacco may very well become a special talent, but I don’t think you can call him more than a game manager at this point. A game manager hopefully (for you) on the way up, but a game manager nonetheless. I like his chances of becoming very good, but nothing’s done until its done.
truly scary
is the fact that even after coming to a complete stop he was able to accelerate and OUTRUN several viking players….. very scary considering we play this guy this year.
Vikes are No Joke
With the Steelers already safely in the win column and a clear day to watch Sunday Ticket, I got to see a little of every game this week.
To me Minnesota was the most impressive team in the league in Week 1. AP may be the single best player in the league, period, and they have a ton of depth on both sides of the ball.
Percy Harvin is awesome. His stat line may not look like much but he is really involved in their offense. They run a lot of fake end-arounds on plays where Favre then hands to AP. Harvin’s got great hands. Mark Sanchez notwithstanding I think he’s going to be the offensive ROY.
Vikes-Steelers is going to be an unbelievable game. If the thought of AP taking on our defense doesn’t make you drool you just don’t like football.
by Steelers in XLIV on Sep 15, 2009 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions
The spread for the game next week is only Steelers -3
Looks like Vegas expects Cutler to bounce back at home.
The spread is absolutely meaningless. It is entirely dependent on the number of bettors for and against. as a result the real spread will begin fri/sat and will flux till gametime.
that article on Ben being overrated is so stupid. its grossly written and poorly analyzed. stupid stupid stupid article. just a jealous fan who loves some other team(browns?)
mr. malor last i checked the ravens dont actually have a good secondary. soo….why are you dishing on ike taylor? oh thats right…no reason to.
We don’t have a good secondary? How so? 26 interceptions last year is pretty good I would say. And of those 26, 18 came from the secondary. Not sure how that is not good.
We lost an Chris McAlister who missed more games then he played in over the last 3 years, so getting Foxworth is already an upgrade, cause he will most likely not be AS injured. We had serious depth issues, so we went out and got 2 new guys in Lardarius Webb in the 3rd round and Chris Carr from the Titans. Cut Ivy, who was our worst corner. We actually got faster, more athletic, and all around better than we were last year. Having Ed Reed in your secondary automatically makes your state of us not having a good secondary false.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Sigh
Lardarius Webb has really upset me in Madden =\
This is Pittsburgh Steeler Troy Polamalu getting knocked around by the Pacific Ocean in Hawaii yesterday...
Minutes later, Troy caught the ocean going over the middle and smacked it right in the mouth. The ocean fumbled, Troy recovered and ran it into the endzone. The ocean never messed with Troy again.
They do but I didn’t see a dedicated game wrap-up…which was what I was linking to.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 15, 2009 6:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
hahaha….nice try at attempting to argue the ravens have a good secondary.
interceptions are a wonderful way of describing game changing ability. but when it comes down to the nuts and bolts of the secondary i care more about how good individual corners are.
ohhkay…lets see….foxworth…didn’t he play for the bengals or browns and get cut? wasn’t he almost ineffective for 3 years? oh right…webb and how many 3rd round CBs are known to be good on the get go….learning complicated defense and playing well…hmmm, oh right and chris carr….because he’s so elite. no he’s an elite runner…that about sums up his skills. wasnt he basically a 4th down corner last year and a punt return man?
i guess you can use him for that.
ok so….polamalu/ed reed….basically about as good
clark-better than your other safety seeing as jim got traded last year
william gay-more experience than any of your other corners
townsend-way better than your nickel corner
yea….end of discussion
Dawan Landry
Jim Leonhard was not even the starter for the Ravens last year. 3rd year SS (now 4th year) Dawan Landry has been our starter since 2006. So, lets compare the stats since Landry has come in the league and Clark since 2006 as well.
Ryan Clark: 186 tackles, 1 sack, 2 interceptions for -1 yards and 0 TD’s. 0 Forced Fumbles. All in 34 games played since 2006.
Dawan Landry: 165 tackles, 4 sacks, 5 interceptions for 101 yards and 1 TD. 0 Forced Fumbles. All in 35 games played.
So since Landry has come into the league, he has actually had a slightly better career statically than Clark has. Also, Landry is a SS, a position that is not known for getting interceptions (unless you are the freak, Polamalu). So Landry has had more picks than a FS (Clark) over the last 4 years.
Dawan Landry was able to have better stats in 2 years than Leonhard was able to get in 5 years.
The rest of your comment is strictly biased opinion. You guys would take your secondary over ours, and we would take ours over yours. That is why we are fans of our teams.
Foxworth never played for the Bengals or Browns. He was a 3rd round pick for the Denver Broncos where he was the primary 3rd CB behind Champ Bailey and Dre Bly (Pretty damn good duo to be behind) then went to the Falcons for a year and had a very solid performance for them.
Foxworth has been a starter in this league since coming into the NFL, so no he was not ineffective for 3 years. You are completely wrong there.
And we brought Webb and Carr in for depth, not starting roles like you seem to be making them out to be. We had depth issues last year, and brought in 2 guys to supply us with depth.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
um, Ravens do have a good secondary there buddy.
not as good as the Steelers, but still good.
Taylor is obviously better than any of their CBs, but Foxworth and Washington aren’t pushovers. I’d probably say that Foxworth is better than Gay, while Washington and Gay are a tie (with ability going to Fabian but smarts going to Willie). Rolle and Townsend are pretty interchangable, two smart but declining corners (still, probably give the edge to Townsend though).
Clark and Landry, eh, once again, probably give the edge to Clark but not by a huge margin.
Troy and Ed, well, we’ve been there done that before, not bringing that crap up again.
Anyway, this is in comparison to the #1 pass D last year, so just because the Steelers are better doesn’t mean the Ravens secondary sucks.
No top 5 defense is going to have a crappy secondary.
You are remembering correctly.
So does that mean that our secondary is not good, because we lost to you 3 times last year. It was a team effort and we did not get the job done. I take nothing away from your 3 victories last year and you are starting to act like an immature child in this discussion when I am acting civil and trying to get some things straight.
Congrats on your 3 victories over us, you were the better team during those games and the best team in the NFL last year. So yes, to assure you, you did win all 3 games last year. But that was last year…..
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
You are misguided in your thinking
Your reasoning for why the ravens secondary isn’t bad is very misguided. Just because the next guy isn’t as injured has nothing to do with talent, discipline, nor knowledge and football instincts. Willie Parker gets hurt a lot, yea, but just because Mewelde Moore doesn’t means that he is a better football player? No. Look to make it simple, we all saw how the Colts dismantled that secondary. Against the best QBs in the league that secondary doesn’t stand a chance, but when you have Mr. Reed playing center field waiting for bad passes against bad QBs then that makes the stat lines look a lot better. Point is the secondary is the weak point on that defense whether you like to admit it or not. We know it, you know it, and ben knows it.
by tannofsteel84 on Sep 15, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
No, I don't know it.
I think we have a very solid secondary. At this point in the season, the Steelers actually have a worse secondary than the Ravens because of Troy. You should be worrying about how you are going to contain teams for the next 6 weeks without your best player. There are going to be teams passing for 300+ on you the next few weeks. We know it, you know it, and every team in the league knows it now.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
even im starting to hate hearing that
its completely unrelated……………..just makes you, a member of the steeler nation, sound retarded, and thus giving other fans a reason (Albeit an ignorant one) to accuse steeler fans of being jerks.
Cause its enjoyable
It gives us additional sides of perspective.
You’d probably like the voting system in Cuba for instance, two check boxes, both say Castro.
and we like bashing them when they post as well
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
agreed
it’d be boring if everyone here was on the same side. MaLor and raven’s perspectives allow us to prove we’re right :)
"God blessed me with the talent I have." - Deebo
by steelersgrl on Sep 15, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
And please use the reply button that is conveniently located under the post to which you wish to reply
This is Pittsburgh Steeler Troy Polamalu getting knocked around by the Pacific Ocean in Hawaii yesterday...
Minutes later, Troy caught the ocean going over the middle and smacked it right in the mouth. The ocean fumbled, Troy recovered and ran it into the endzone. The ocean never messed with Troy again.
Tomlin's contract extention
To me, rumors or reports saying that the Steelers are working on a Tomlin extension is not even news worthy. Everybody knows it’s going to happen at some time.
It would be news worthy if the Steelers DIDN’T decide to extend his contract.
by Pola-Gona-Maul-U on Sep 14, 2009 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
can i just sy I love your sn??
excellent
"God blessed me with the talent I have." - Deebo
by steelersgrl on Sep 15, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Crap
Did you see that shit, the Bills shot themselves in the leg, fumbling on special teams.
Leotaeus McKelvin is the Bills Ricardo Colclough.
They were close to beating New England.
Phillip Bunting
"Stairway To Seven"
by SteelersChatPack on Sep 14, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions
Tears my friend, Tears
Not really. My old man is a diehard Steelers fan, through and through but a native to Buffalo. Add that on to his dislike of the Patriots and their Media frenzy and you can get a picture of how he felt after the game.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Sep 14, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I too am slitting my wrists
Just frustrates me how the Pats get such breaks. As it is they are in a shit division but then on top of that when a team looks good they manage to f-it up.
Oh well. We’re gonna be fine.
Polamalu update
Here’s the link:http://m.post-gazette.com/Article.aspx?itemid=997984
by VinniePie on Sep 14, 2009 11:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I wonder...
… why everybody here talks back and forth with this Malor dude? Just ignore the guy already. If you don’t answer his stupid remarks his posts will die sooner than vice versa.
Maybe the root cause was Drinkyourmilkshake’s inclusion of Malor’s name in couple of his daily six pack posts?
he was here long before I got here
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 15, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
and he's a casual Steeler fan
He only follows the Ravens when they are half decent. Plus it’s fun to bash on him
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Why?
There’s so much talk about the top 10 this, and the top 5 that, and the best QBs, and the underrated this, and the overrated that. Why should we care about any of it? I couldn’t care less whether the pundits or the pundit wannabes think Roethlisberger is overrated, or is the 14th best QB in the league, or that the Steelers maybe aren’t the best team in the NFL right now, or that the Steelers can’t run the way they used to.
As long as the Steelers are winning, nothing else makes any difference. We could win the next Super Bowl 2-0 in double overtime, with Ben throwing 8 interceptions, and the running game having -50 yds. rushing, and I wouldn’t care at all.
America has a never-ending fetish with ranking and rating everything in our culture. Today’s “top 10” is tomorrow’s overrated. It’s all just noise and should be ignored. Only the wins endure.
not a prob
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 15, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
MT's Contract
I would make an exception to negotiate Mike Tomlin’s contract as well. He is an exceptional coach, his stats speak for themselves. He continues the strong bond that Steelers have with each other, creating a family atmosphere and makes Steeler football exciting to watch. I love him, just as I love the team. He is an integral part of Steelers football, and I would also hope that they allow him to stay as long as he wants.
Ben is often overlooked as a great QB, I’m guilty of it myself. His qualities are overshadowed by his unconventional plays which at times seem to be actually counter-productive. But we all know that even if he frustrates or confuses us, he wins games. As Mike Tomlin has said over and over, “people put too much emphasis on style points”. Ben’s plays might be ugly at times, but he knows how to git’r’done.
"God blessed me with the talent I have." - Deebo
Agree.
For guys like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, you can look at their stat line and see, in print, how they help their teams win games.
For 7, it takes actually watching the games. But I think after he put that drive together in the SB, there is no disputing that his style of buying extra time by shaking off and avoiding the rush (while causing some sacks) is unique and is what wins games for Pittsburgh. He had done it plenty of times before, but I don’t think anyone can argue the contrary after seeing it on that stage. Thus, it is indisputable that he wins football games…just as Brady and Manning win football games by throwing 4 TDs. Ben has found his niche.
I think that’s how you distinguish great QBs. Can you put your finger on what they do to help their teams win a bunch of games? Is it yardage/TDs, is it clutch performances, is it something else? When you can answer that question, you have a great QB. The prerequisite being that the guy has to win a bunch of games.
The prerequisite being that the guy has to win a bunch of games. I know winning depends on more than the QB, and really good QBs can be hamstrung by bad teams. But as history looks back on those who everyone considers great, it is always the guys that have won games (even Dan Marino got to the big stage…though he didn’t win it all…and Warren Moon’s teams had some monster years before falling apart in the playoffs).
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