BTSC Steelers Daily Six Pack- Tyrone Carter Edition
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 15, 2009 2:27 PM EDT
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PrintIX-Wow, I am exhausted just reading about the first 33 years of Tyrone Carter's life. According to a Post Gazette article Carter was raised by his grandmother who raised 14 other children after his parents lost custody of Carter and his four siblings due to drug use and abuse. Shortly before Super Bowl XL Carter's wife was involved in a serious accident where she lost the use of her legs. Super Bowl XL was also the same game that his big brother attended before turning himself into authorities to serve almost a half decade in jail. Carter has been a solid back-up who has done a lot for the Pittsburgh Steelers since 2004 and rarely receives enough praise for his work filling in for both safety positions.
X-Steelers Depot has audio of the Mike Tomlin press conference from earlier today and it's really the first time I have heard Mike Tomlin speak for that long this year. While listening to the press conference It struck me how respectful and calculating his thoughts are. He is very respectful and incredibly knowledgeable of the players on every side of the ball and is very informed even on the back-up players for the Bears. Not that this should come as a surprise as this is something a head coach is supposed to do, but it is just re-assuring to know that he's not all talk, he is amazingly prepared for all facets of the game. Reason number 10,045 to sign Mike Tomlin to an extension.
XIII-Former Steelers special teams ace, and current Steelers West Arizona Cardinals special teams ace, Sean Morey is one of three players that has agreed to donate their brains to the Boston University School of Medicine to be studied in relation to the effects of concussions on the brain. They other players are Raven's center Matt Birk and Lofa Tatupu of the Seahawks. I wouldn't be surprised to see more players sign on to do so as these studies could certainly help future generations of football players, athletes, and others who are affected by concusions.
XIV-It looks like Mike Tomlin has found a way to get the running game working in Pittsburgh.
XL-By now I would assume you have heard the news of Jerome Bettis trashing the Steelers running game most likely in an effort to attract attention to his new gig over at Sports Illustrated. It seems somewhat similar to the stunt he pulled in his early days at NBC when he stated that coach Bill Cowher would retire from the Steelers after the conclusion of the 2006 season. While I generally don't think Bettis' comments were out of line or un-truthful, I do think it was in poor taste for him to call out our a rookie 5th round draft pick for his play at a position that he hasn't played since High School if ever. Frank "The Tank" Summers may have a long way to go in becoming a blocking fullback in the NFL, but I thought Bettis' criticism was pretty harsh and unwarranted.
XLIII-Last year I broke down and got NFL Sunday Ticket, and quite frankly aside from marrying my wife it was one of the best decisions I have made in my short lifetime. The greatest part of the NFL Sunday Ticket on Direct-TV is the NFL RedZone Chanel which is where my TV stays on Sunday unless the boys in black n' gold are playing. Needless to say I was a little bummed out when I heard that Comcast and other cable providers were getting a Chanel this season called RedZone, which I had assumed was just going to be the RedZone Chanel re-broadcast for free to cable viewers. Luckily for me and my pocket-book Kissing Suzy Kolber have the reviews on the two chanels and as I expected, nobody can touch Andrew Siciliano when it comes to commenting on 9 games at one time.
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Ravens players have brains?
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Zing
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Sep 15, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
he just started playing there
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 15, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
so he won't have one for long
is what DYMS is saying, LOL
by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Sep 15, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Tomlin press conference transcript
Here it is, for free, at scouts.com:
minor annoyance
“confined to a wheelchair” is a disparaging term, right up there with “…falls on deaf ears” “turns a blind eye towards…” etc.
I teach people to try and not identify a disability with a person such that the disbility is the person. Tyrone’s wife would be someone who uses a wheelchair", not wheelchair bound, confined, etc.
Hope others learn this and spread it- these things really do chaff at wheelchair users, just like I grind my teeth every time I see a lede that has “falls on deaf ears” in it.
by SteelersVT on Sep 15, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Everything is so PC!
I know you mean well but I have to voice a different opinion. We are way to PC in this country. It has gotten ccompletely out of control. Now, I’m not saying we should be blatantly idiotic or disrespectful. But, the comment “confined to a wheelchair” is hardly a disparaging phrase…yes, she is confined, she can’t use her legs, nor walk, or ambulate without the chair.
Again, anything can be taken out of context. It’s not so much what is said but how it’s said and by whom (what relationship do they have to the person). Personally, I have known many people, friends, neighbors, patients, with various handicaps (dam…can’t say that can I?)…I mean disabilities (wait…that’s not PC either!!!)…I mean, physical limitations (I think I can say that…but I’m still not sure :) and the one common denominator amongst all of them was they wanted to feel like they fit in. They didn’t want special attention, they didn’t want to be coddled, felt sorry for…they wanted to be part of the group (as much as was possible given their handi…dis…dam. dam, I meant their physical limitation.
Theorectically, I understand what you are saying about disassociating the disability from the person. Of course, I agree. But, I think ironically, when we become so PC, so sensitive, it actually has the opposite effect. When people are around disabled people (of whatever nature), if they feel like their on eggshells, unsure of what to say b/c it may offend somebody it creates more of barrier. This awkwardness further increases the disabled person sense of isolation and further confirms in their mind, yes they are different.
In my experience laughter, openness, and honesty go exponentially further in creating seamless interactions between groups of people that are different culturally and physically.
Again, I know you may have the best intentions in mind and on the surface it’s very true. But I think our society (mainly the media) has taken this concept of PC and abused, misused, and overused it. Imo, this whole notion of being so PC, all the time, limits communication, creates barriers, and forces people to only associate with others who are like them. Not good!
by SteelerMike on Sep 16, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Believe me, I can relate to your comments
It’s just that I’ve been a professional in disability services for about a decade now-I work with folks on all spectrum and various groups in the country.
I certainly don’t want to make this a “PC” thing, because its not about whats PC at all. To argue about PC means that the discussion is about whats “:right” and whats “wrong” which isn’t what any discussion should be about. When I hear people bring up the PC argument (I think of how that argument has been used in the past for other groups, that we’ve successfully moved beyond. You can imagine all the terms that we’ve gone through for various racial/ethnic groups. Some of the terms we no longer use were terms that people complained about being overtly PC in the past. SO its more of a process of evolution, where we agree on labels or categorizations, if we must have them. (and we must, humans cannot function without labels for some reason!)
I guess a better way to put it would be to think of why we consider a person to be “disabled”. In my profession, we often say that “students aren’t disabled, the books are” which is a reference to the fact we all learn and process information differently, and that anyone who can’t use information in a given medium probably can’t access it due to barriers. We should defer to the group in question about the terms they would want us to use. Since I work with a lot of folks in wheelchairs, we used to say “confined” to a wheelchair, but I was told right away that it was a kind of bad way of putting it. We should not be afraid to say things- but we shouldn’t also just choose our own terms for them either.
So, to make my point, there are no real disabilities- only environments and attitudes that enable them. I know that many deaf people do not consider themselves disabled, they are just deaf folks in a world designed largely for hearing, speaking, able bodied people.
Great little tangent!
Tyron Carter
I’ve been a fan of T Carter for a while. One thing I remember about him was after the Colts game in the 2005 playoffs, he was celebrating with the team and said to the camera very emotionally “We don’t care about no record here! We got heart! We got heart!”
He was obviously referring to the fact that the Colts had won 14 games that season, the steelers were the sixth seed, and how some things can be overcome with determination. Something Carter obviously has found out just from living the life that he has.
A bad memory I have of him was from the Playoffs in 2007 where he was burned by David Garrard for a touch down in the redzone. I’m sure most of us can recall that.
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in fairness to Tyrone
he can’t help it that the refs decided not to call the MULTIPLE holding penalties that were committed by the Jagoffs line on that play
by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Sep 15, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, how he gets to the second level
should be irrelevant to a member of the secondary playing back. His job is to stop Garrard when he gets there, and he whiffed badly. If he breaks through legitimately, odds are Ty still misses that tackle. He doesn’t have the quicks.
That said, he’s a fairly solid player, above replacement level – just miles below Troy.
Steelers are 5-2 when Troy is out and Carter is in
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
wow
that is a great stat….I never would have guessed it
by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Sep 15, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that because of him, despite him,
or was he merely present at the scene?
For instance, in 2006, when they were 3-0 without Polamalu, those games came against Tampa Bay, Cleveland, and Carolina – three of the worst offenses in the league, which combined for 16 wins that season. We could’ve put Lee Flowers back there and still came away with all three victories.
There probably reasons why he won and lost those games that have nothing to do with Troy and Ty. I just know that my eyes and the stats tell me that Troy is a better player by far, and that I’m now scared of San Diego.
sounds like something wolfpack would dig into
"Whats the worst thing that can happen to a quarterback? He loses his confidence." -Terry Bradshaw
by MolsonGolden on Sep 15, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Do not underestimate the all-encompassing ineptitude of Lee Flowers. A.Q. Shipley with a high ankle sprain after lunch at Primanti’s could torch Lee Flowers in his prime.
Honestly, as great as Troy is, who is playing safety matters significantly less than it did in 2006 when the pass rush was, to be kind, dysfunctional. Joey Porter barely registered a pulse all year and Clark Haggans was still Clark Haggans.
by pghnorthside on Sep 15, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter
That’s a very difficult tackle to make. Yes he wiffed but hardly his fault we lost the game. Even if he makes the tackle there still in fg range. Fred taylor probably would have ripped off ANOTHER big gain to score even if carter makes tackle.
Our defense was porous that year. No way we were going to stop them on that last drive.
by SteelerMike on Sep 16, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I fondly remember that quote
I also remember that awful play, but I really like Tyrone. He catches a lot of flack, especially for being a back-up. It always seems its for being slow (let’s be honest, and call it “not fast enough, sometimes”). Nevermind that he knows his job – backing up both safety spots, and does a good job of it. The stat PixburghArn posted is great. Of course, part of that is because of the Steelers making adjustments, you don’t lose someone like Troy and have no drop-off. Its crazy to expect your back-up to be as good as Troy. Giving Tyrone crap for being “not fast enough, sometimes” despite the good he does is a little like saying our back-up should be any other random fast guy.
I think Bettis is criticzing in the same manner we are
he was upset by the lack of production, just like us. He threw out some harsh words for everybody, just like us. Look at the “Problems with the Running Game” post. I think he is responding like a fan of the Steelers who expects a strong running game.
by shleeve on Sep 15, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Like I said I don’t have a problem with anything other than the way he called out Tank….tank made some mistakes, but he was by no means the reason the run game failed…he is a rookie is his first game who actually made at least one solid block.
It’s not like Jerome never made any huge mistakes…
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by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 15, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Kreider made a great block!
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Seeing Kreider's block
warms my heart. Anyways I really liked Jeromes article and he is the best person to comment.
Agreed
I like Bettis’ new column. He’s not afraid to call it like he sees it. No mincing words.
I also believe rookies are not off limits to criticism. They’re PROFESSIONALS, getting paid a small fortune to do their jobs. They savored their widespread adulation in college; time to step it up and prove they deserve a six figure salary (or seven figures, in some cases). How much is Summers getting paid per block?
Will they make “rookie mistakes”? Of course. And they should be ripped for doing so, just as many of us were ripped our first years out of college. No mercy for NFL players in my book.
its not really a matter of I feel bad for Tank…I just don’t think Frank "The Tank" Summers’ performance had anything to do with success or failure in the run game on Thursday. criticize him all you want, I just don’t think he is anywhere near the root of the issue with our run game.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 15, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a candidate for the root of the problem
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This might change your mind.
http://www.postgameheroes.com/?p=7680
Sure, other blockers are screwing up too, but I don’t think any other single player let his man blow up so many running plays.
No that doesn’t change my mind…in fact….it proves my point…he was only in the game for like 10 damn plays…..how is he at fault?
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 15, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
And two of those were on third-down
where he whiffed on his blocks and his man tackled the runner behind the line. That’s kinda his fault.
To be clear,
I said above that everybody failed that night. But Summers (with some good reason) was especially poor. As you said, he was in for about ten plays. He was the lead blocker for maybe half of those. And three were god-awful. Bring on David Johnson, I say.
1st play they show: he whiffs on his block, but Tank is tackled by another defender who gets to Willie Parker and makes the tackle….doesn’t matter if Tank pancakes the guy…Willie still goes down.
2nd play they show: Tank occupies at least one defender on the left side of the line while MeMo gets swallowed up by 3 Titan defenders who have penetrated the backfield on the right side.
3rd play they show: While Tank’s block is far from stellar it occupies a defender long enough for MeMo to side step him and run into the wall of Titan defenders.
4th play they show: While again Tank whiffs on a block the defender who tackles MeMo initially is not the defender assigned to Tank, but rather a defender coming from a poor block from the best right tackle in football.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 15, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It doesn’t matter who gets the finger pointed at them, everyone had a part to play in the failure of our running game. Now let’s see if they correct it in the following weeks. No reason to panic until the L column starts to get populated because we can’t seem to move the ball on the ground.
"Whats the worst thing that can happen to a quarterback? He loses his confidence." -Terry Bradshaw
by MolsonGolden on Sep 15, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Tank & D. Johnson are both rookies
They will get better as the season goes on. Or would you all just like to have Carey Davis back? Starting to sound like a Philly Eagles board here, which in essence means the whole team is awful and everyone should be released.
by datruth4life on Sep 15, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Tomlin probably knows the Bears
Because he coached in Minn until 3 years ago. Just like Whis played the AFC North hard two years ago, I think Tomlin will play the NFC North hard this year!
+1
"Whats the worst thing that can happen to a quarterback? He loses his confidence." -Terry Bradshaw
by MolsonGolden on Sep 15, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Tomlin coached in the nfc north for one year in 2006. Before that he coached for the bucs
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 15, 2009 8:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not to rub salt in the wound, but...
…did anyone notice how good John Kuhn looked as a lead blocker for the Pack on Sunday night? More importantly, I wonder if BA noticed. A true fullback. Interesting concept…
by cliff harris is still a punk! on Sep 15, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions
enough about the FB already!! Not happening. If Kreider was our FB last game, we would have rushed for 40 instead of 36.
We need to run out of shotgun more. Then the defense is unsure if we are running or passing. We cannot line up in the “I” formation in 3rd and short, against good defenses, and pound it. So why try?
Tom Brady threw like 80% of his 50 passes at or near the LOS. I’m not suggesting we throw it 50, but I am saying we need to run it out of the gun, throw in the flat (esp to Logan & MM), sprint draws, quick pitches, reverses.
Forget the FB…
I’m not great with O-line play, but based on what I’ve been learning over the past few years, using a FB with a zone blocking scheme is sorta pointless. In a zone block, the FB can handle the extra defender, or a defender who beats our lineman. He is not going to make holes for the RB. No FB can turn seams into holes when he has to wait for those seams to develop.
Unless we switch back to man-blocking, I think BA is right about not needing a full-time FB.
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