Pittsburgh Steelers Top Ten Irreplaceable Players
I ripped this idea straight from our friends over at Hogs Haven, the Washington Redskins SBNation Blog. They decided to list in order the players that they felt would have the biggest effect on the team if they were injured or unable to play for multiple games during the season. Similar to how they did the list on their blog I am factoring in depth at the position along with the actual performance and productivity of the player being lost. Just a little fun as we ramp up for next Thursday's season opener. (DYM)
10-Justin Hartwig- Even though statistically Hartwig gave up the most sacks on the Steelers offensive line last year, he was a major improvement over the Sean Mahan experiment from 2007. Hartwig had much more success in blocking the bigger Nose Tackles in the AFC North and seems to be a quality locker room guy as well. Losing Hartwig for any significant amount of time would create a major headache for the Steelers, especially with previous back-up center Darnell Stapleton being lost for the season.
9-Ike Taylor- Ike Taylor will likely never reach a pro-bowl unless he finds a batch of that stick-um that Fred Bilentnikoff used back in the day; but he certainly is a valuable piece in Pittsburgh,. Taylor shut down just about every #1 wide receiver he faced last season and while big things are expected of William Gay, it would be somewhat unreasonable to expect him to step in the shoes of "Face-me-Ike" without a significant drop off in play.
8-Heath Miller- The Steelers signed Heath to a long term extension and made him one of the highest paid players at his position for a good reason. When Heath Miller is in the line-up not only does our passing game improve due to Miller's sure hands but the Steelers run game improves as Heath is the best blocking Tight End on the team.
7-James Farrior- Similar to Hines Ward; James Farrior may have lost a step or two but his leadership, football smarts, and experience can't be valued enough on the grid-iron. The Steelers pre-season game against Buffalo last week shows what Farrior brings to the table and now with injury concerns to Lawrence Timmons, Farrior's health is another key to winning.
6- Casey Hampton- Forget all the talk about Hampton possibly getting cut; it's not going to happen. Even though Hampton may be past his prime he is still one of the top Nose Tackles in the NFL. Chris Hoke has always filled in well in spurts for Hampton, but Hoke is no spring chicken himself and regardless of what you read or hear Ziggy Hood isn't big enough or experienced enough at this point in his career to take over for Hampton. The Steelers need Hampton this year, and they quite possibly could be forced to franchise him next year if they are not able to find a suitable replacement.
5- Hines Ward- Although many fans and media pundits feel that this is the year that Santonio Holmes becomes the Steelers true "number one" wide receiver, it is undeniable the positive effect that Hines Ward has on the Steelers offense. Hines is Big Ben's safety valve on third down and his blocking and leadership make the Steelers offense a more complete unit. Ward has looked good throughout the preseason and I expect Hines to have another solid year as long as he can stay healthy.
4- James Harrison- It would be foolish to not put the reigning defensive MVP of the league on a list of the most valuable players in black and gold. If Harrison misses time it allows offenses to game plan on shutting down our other stud outside linebacker Lamar Woodley. Harrison and Woodley combined for a steelers sack record for a linebacking duo in 2008 with 27.5 sacks and frankly if either one goes down I would expect a major drop-off in our pass rushing capabilities. If injury strikes Harrison my preference would be to see Lawrence Timmons move outside and have Keyaron Fox sliding into a role at Inside linebacker which would minimize the loss.
3- Troy Polamalu- Since Troy became a starter in 2004 he has made the pro-bowl every season and in 2006 and 2007 when Troy did miss time due to injury the team struggled in his absence. Factor in that the depth at Safety is also very thin right now and Troy's health may very well be the most important factor for Pittsburgh's chances of winning Super Bowl XLIV.
2- Max Starks and Willie Colon- If either or our starting tackles go down for a long stretch you could actually see Big Ben absorb more sacks than the 47 he received in 2007 . The Steelers depth at tackle is young and inexperienced and besides Trai Essex none of the back-up tackles currently on the roster have regular season experience. A loss of one of our starting tackles for a significant period of time could force the Steelers to dig deep on the waiver wire to bring in a tackle with game experience.
1- Ben Roethlisberger- I personally think this is a no-brainer. Whether it would be Charlie Batch or Dennis Dixon replacing Ben, either one will have an extremely hard time being productive if they are forced to fill in for a long period of time. Batch has always played admirably when forced to step in for Ben but he has never had to assume the position for long periods of time since he came to Pittsburgh. Coupling a lesser quarterback with an offensive line that is still trying to gel and the Steelers could be in for a long, long season if Ben goes down.
Well that's it folks. Feel Free to comment, yell, scream, or tell me why I am an idiot.
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holmes??
how is he not on the list… you are sleeping on him…
Ehh
Excluding the playoffs he did not have a irreplaceable season.
I like Holmes and he makes plays for us, but I see him leaving once his contract is gone. And I do not think it will be difficult to replace him with a young guy (Wallace or Sweed).
by John Stephens on Sep 2, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
that the Bills game is a good example of why Holmes is not on the list. He didn’t play and we still passed all over the place. Yes he is a great player, but if we have Hines, all the other recievers are replaceable for spurts of time, because the depth is so good.
probably something to consider though….
Do we win Super Bowl XLIII with a healthy Hines and a dinged up Santonio?
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by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 2, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t make that judgment.
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Sep 2, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Where's Aaron Smith?
Hard to believe that a Steeler fan would continue to underestimate how important Aaron Smith is to this football team, or for that matter rank James Farrior so low. They should both be anywhere from 3-6 on this list, certainly ahead of Hampton and Hines and probably even ahead of Starks/Colon. The Steelers proved they can win a SB with mediocre offensive linemen but they don’t go anywhere without a top defense. Woodley is also more important to this team than a journeyman center or an under-utilized TE.
hey just an opinion I just think we have a bit more depth at that position with Ziggy Hood and even Sonny Harris that I bumped him off….
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by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 2, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Well didn’t mean to get snippy and with such a deep team there are bound to be lots of differences of opinion. I don’t think Ziggy is anywhere close to replacing Smith yet. Anyway, just for argument’s sake here is my top 10
1. Ben
2. Harrison
3. Troy
4. Farrior
5. A. Smith
6. Taylor
7. Hines
8. Hampton
9. Starks
10. Clark
by steeler.lifer on Sep 2, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
no prob…i didn’t take it as snippy
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by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 2, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Hampton
Read the article in the Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Post-Gazette by Ed Bouchette. It sounds like Hampton
has one foot out the door. the Steelers could survive with Hoke at nose tackle the entire year.
care to wager?
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by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 2, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
roster
With the Steelers definitely keeping Logan, that means probably one less defensive lineman.
Only these 6: Keisel, Hampton, Smith, Kirschke, Hoke, Hood.
Or do you believe the Steelers will go with just three safteys.
I really have no idea what they are gonna do…but I do believe if Harris isnt on the steelers this season he will be playing somewheres else for his career.
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by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 2, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Aaron Smith and Ryan Clark
Lifer beat me to it with Smith, but in the case of both of them, our defense suffered in 2007 more than I expected. With Smith down our run defense was hurting, and with Clark out, we got beat deep way too much.
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Sep 2, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions
Without going into any explanation I will do my top 10
10. Hampton
9. Farrior
8. Heath
7. Starks
6. A. Smith
5. Harrison
4. Ward
3. Ben
2. Taylor
1. Troy
Not for me, sorry
Troy is a huge part of our defense. The majority of the teams we play base their offenses around watching #43. He really limits what a team can and cannot do. And on a team where defense is clearly our strong point, I am going to say our best defensive player (IMO) is our most irreplaceable player.
I love Ben don’t get me wrong. But I’d be, and have been, more worried when Troy went down. Also, I have more faith in Batch and Dixon than I do Carter or anyone else to fill in Troys spot.
by John Stephens on Sep 2, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
well...
in the nineties and early 2000’s we had Great Defences as well, consider star power: Rod Woodson, Gregg Lloyd, Kevin Greene, Carnel Lake, Kirkland, Gildon, Porter, and many more…
Well… I don’t see any Jewelry for that period. None, nada, zilch until Big Ben stepped on the field.
Please, just consider that we fielded as talented a defence in 1995 as in 2005 or 2008.
But we came short. The following star power is pretty comparable -
Troy – Woodson,
Harrison – Lloyd,
Woodley – Greene,
Hampton – Steed
Farrior – Kirkland
Timmons- Gildon
Clark – Lake
And if you look at offence, offensive line was full of pro bowlers like Dirt and Leon and pretty good players in Strzelczyk and Stai. We had Bruener, Thigpen and Slash. And still came up short.
Big Ben makes that much difference.
That’s all nice and well, but we have seen Batch step in and perform quite well. Tell me, if Troy falls who replaces him? Carter? Yikes.
Also keep in mind, this is my opinion.
by John Stephens on Sep 2, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Tyrone Carter
filled in nicely many times for Troy. Whenever he starts we have more Ws than Ls. So no problem there.
http://news.steelers.com/team/player/49253/
Here is a proof:
2006 (16games/3starts): Made his first three starts for Pittsburgh late in the season when S Troy Polamalu was injured…finished with 42 tackles, the most in his three years with the Steelers…also added a career-high two sacks and forced two fumbles…
11/12 vs. New Orleans: Saw extensive action after Troy Polamalu left the game with a concussion and did not return…logged 67 plays and recorded six solo tackles…also forced two fumbles, the first forced fumbles of his career…
NO 31 @ PIT 38
12/3 vs. Tampa Bay: Started at SS for the injured Troy Polamalu, his first start as a Steeler…logged 67 plays and recorded seven tackles (five solo)…tackled Carnell Williams for a loss of three yards…
TB 3 @ PIT 20
12/7 vs. Cleveland: Started at SS for the injured Troy Polamalu…logged 49 snaps and recorded eight tackles (six solo)…played his 100th career game…
CLE 7 @ PIT 27
12/17 at Carolina: Started at SS for the injured Troy Polamalu…collected five tackles (four solo) in 52 plays…
PIT 37 @ CAR 3
2007 (16-5/1-1): Played all 16 games, making five starts…started the AFC Wild Card Game against Jacksonville, recording five tackles…established a career high with three forced fumbles…his 56 combined tackles were the second-most of his career…had five special teams tackles…recorded a career high with 12 tackles versus Miami…
10/28 at Cincinnati: Saw extensive action at safety due to Ryan Clark being out…registered one tackle and caused one fumble on a Kenny Watson rush at the end of the first quarter…
PIT 24 @ CIN 13
11/26 vs. Miami: Made his 35th career start at SS in place of an injured Troy Polamalu…paced the team with 12 total tackles (11 solo)…part of a defense that gave up only 159 total yards, including 49 rushing, 110 passing and only nine first downs…
MIA 0 @ PIT 3
12/2 vs. Cincinnati: Made his second consecutive start at SS, while playing in his 115th career game…saw action in 69 defensive snaps and finished with eight solo tackles, one quarterback hit and one pass defensed…
CIN 10 @ PIT 24
12/9 at New England: Started his third consecutive game at SS in place of injured Troy Polamalu…logged 55 defensive snaps while finishing with four solo tackles and one forced fumble…
PIT 13 @ NE 34 (In this game Both Troy and Ryan were out!)
12/20 at St. Louis: Made his fourth start of the season at FS…finished the game with three solo tackles…
PIT 41 @ STL 24
12/30 at Baltimore: Started at SS…finished with eight tackles (five solo) and caused his third fumble on the season early in the third quarter…
PIT 21 @ BAL 27
AFC WILD CARD 1/5/08 vs. Jacksonville: Made his sixth consecutive playoff appearance, while starting at FS and finished the game with five tackles (four solo).
JAC 31 @ PIT 29
2008 (16-2/3-0): Played all 16 regular-season games for the fourth consecutive season…made two starts in place of the injured Ryan Clark…finished 17 tackles (11 solo), two pass defenses and one forced fumble…established a career high with three interceptions for 64 yards and his first career interception return for a touchdown in the regular-season finale against Cleveland…his two interceptions against the Browns were a single-game high…named AFC Defensive Player of the Week and GMC Sierra Defensive Player of the Week for his performance against the Browns…made five tackles on special teams…played in all three postseason games…had three solo tackles and two tackles on special teams during the postseason… recorded his first career postseason interception in the fourth quarter of the AFC Championship Game against Baltimore…
11/3 at Washington: Made his 40th career start at FS…finished with two solo tackles and one pass defense…recorded his fifth career interception in the fourth quarter, which he returned for 14 yards…
PIT 23 @ WAS 6
12/28 vs. Cleveland: Made his 41st career start at FS in place of the injured Clark…recorded seven tackles (three solo) and forced one fumble…had the first two-interception game of his career…picked off Bruce Gradkowski in the third quarter and returned it 18 yards to the Cleveland 12- yard line, setting up a 22-yard field goal by Jeff Reed… intercepted Gradkowski again in the fourth quarter and went 32 yards for his first career touchdown…
CLE 0 @ PIT 31
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Replacing Troy at Strong Safety his record is 6W-2L.
Replacing Clark at Free Safety his record is 4W-1L.
Not really “comparable.” Statistically, this defense was much better last year than ’95 and was on par (if not better) than the Steel Curtain of the ’70s.
Big makes a biiiig difference though. I’d say Troy and Ben would definitely be 1 and 2. I have to agree with the depth problem at this time on safety considering we don’t have anyone behind Troy at the moment, though some of the new guys could surprise us if he were to be injured.
Batch has filled in adequately at QB and is certainly one of the best backup QBs in the league.
they couldn't win superbowls then cuz they broke down in the big games
Neil O’Donnell only had 7 interceptions during the season, 2 or 3 in the Superbowl and 2 of them to the same guy, i think he was paid, the Defense didn’t do anything to compensate
Kordell had the best chance of winning one, but for some stupid reasons the Steelers special teams seem to break down at the wrong time, remember the 2001 playoff game against the Pats where the Steelers field goal attempt was blocked and returned for a touchdown and also troy brown returned a punt for a touchdown in that game yet the Steelers only lost by 7, could have won but not meant to be
Big Ben had a good rookie year but the Defense choked against the Pats, sorry 15-1 season
Big Ben finally won Superbowl XL but he had 23 the lowest qb rating of all time, throwing interceptions at the wrong time yet thanks to the Steelers dominating D, they still wound up winning by a double digit lead
LIke to see Taylor at number two
Personally, I would put him 3, behind BB and Farrior. There is, at most, one other corner in the league who can cover like Ike. But there is no other corner in the league that will play unselfishly like Ike, making the smart plays instead of looking for picks (I know, he wouldn’t get them even if he tried). Since Woodson left, the Steelers have not had a corner like Ike and probably won’t have one for a long time. He is the reason Dicky L can send the dogs after the QB as often as he does.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Sep 2, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed on Ike assessment
I probably shoulda had Ben at 2, but I am a big fan of good defense. And the fact that Ike can essentially take a WR out of the game makes him very important.
by John Stephens on Sep 2, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Please read my subsequent posts in response to Bokek and CWM
by John Stephens on Sep 2, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Who replaces Colon if he goes down? we really have no viable right tackles behind him
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by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 2, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions
Amazing how quickly Colon has become viable. I’m coming around to the idea that he is in fact much improved and might even be the best O-lineman, but Essex is a serviceable backup at OT. Besides, allowing pressure on Ben is the key to him making big plays (joke).
by steeler.lifer on Sep 2, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess that was a reply to me?
I dunno, Essex? I guess it would suck, but I didn’t put Colon on there cause I’m not a fan of him. I feel like someone would have to step in there and not hold every down.
by John Stephens on Sep 2, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
it was more just a general question…
and in response to lifer….if Essex moves over to RT who takes his spot? Urbik?
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by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 2, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably Legursky. Legursky is in exactly the same situation Stapleton was last year, an UDFA who started out as a center, became our top interior backup and immediately looked better than Simmons (though probably not by the end of the year). I think all three of our projected interior backups are better prospects than Stapleton.
by steeler.lifer on Sep 2, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Hills, Urbik, Me...
No scratch that last one, but though there probably wouldn’t be any improvement, it probably wouldn’t be all that much worse. Sure a couple more sacks, maybe not quite the best impact immediately, but there wouldn’t be that much of a change. Would it hurt us if Colon goes down? Probably. Would his loss cost us the season? I don’t think so, thus in my mind, making him replaceable.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Sep 2, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Hold on a second...
Outside of Cleve, Minny and Denver, on what team is the starter at QB not #1 on such a list? So, yeah, of course, Ben is #1.
Despite the dearth of viable pure OT’s in reserve, however, if absolutely necessary, Essex can slide to tackle and Legursky, Foster or Urbik can take over at RG. Would the line suffer? Sure, but not nearly as much as losing Troy, Harrison, Woodley (notably omitted), A. Smith or Taylor on defense.
And, how on earth, after the debacle that we witnessed last year does Daniel Sepulveda get left off this list?!!!
well I guess I think of Sepulveda as a luxury…we did win the division and super bowl without him last year.
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by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 2, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Half-kidding
If the criteria is how it would affect the wins-losses, I concede that Sepulveda doesn’t qualify.
On the other hand, if the criteria is what is most likely to make me repeatedly strike my own head with a blunt instrument, I insist that Sepulveda be on the list.
It depends on how many games they will miss
For example:
Hampton could miss three games and Hoke will do a good job, if we loose him for the season is a major blow. Same with Aaron and Ziggy.
So if we are talking IR, here is my list
10 Harting (No experience behind him)
9 Clark (Who is behind him?)
8 Hampton (Can Hoke sustain a full season at NT?)
7 Farrior (Fox is good, but Farrior is the brains of this defense)
6 Troy ( Carter is a big drop)
5 Aaron Smith (Ziggy is not ready)
4 Ike (Who will cover big fast athletic receivers, other teams number ones? Gay? Deshea? Lewis is not ready)
3 Starks (No depth behind him, move Essex, Then shuffle all the OL?, this is why Starks is so high)
2 Harrison
1 Ben
In my opinion; Ward, Heath, Colon, Holmes, Timmons, Keisel, Woodley and Gay. have decent depth behind them. There is going to be a drop in quality but not as big as with the guys listed.
Pretty good list
I agree with most; see my above comment on Colon.
But Aaron Smith has to be on the list. Ziggy maybe a promising rookie but he has yet to face the wear and tear of a 16 game, NFL season. You saw what happened to the run defense a couple years back, when Smith went down.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A keen observation during Superbowl 43. Thanks to Walterfootball.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Sep 2, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions
um
can you please direct me to whoever says Holmes surpasses Ward so I can promptly beat them??
Ima hitch onto your wave :)
I can't see how Hartwig makes the list
albiet an upgrade to Mahan he was still run over or around all of last year. I guess that is why they call him the Matador (note: I am invoking the the american image of Ole’ not the spanish meaning of “killer”). In his first game this year he was run over, maybe because it was his first game but more likely because he had the same problem last year. I don’t recall seeing Legursky or Shipley run over (2nd and 3rd string for Shipley though) this preseason
Legursky looked as capable at center and So did Shipley. Cut Hartwig put in Legursky with Shipley as the backup. Legursky can move over to guard with and injury and you can slide in Shipley at center. You go from barely servicable to inexperienced. Legursky knows the system engough and Shipley is smart engough to learn it quick plus he was like top five in strength and speed for all college linemen at the combine, his short arms be damned.
In the end this would be similar to last season with inexperience but with more upside IMO and that was good engough for a superbowl.
With Hartwig off the top 10 and team. You now have space for either Clark or Smith. I just have a hard time with any lineman on the top 10 because it is hard to believe they could suck anymore than they have the last 3 years.
by ste on Sep 2, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
you have more confidence in Shipley and Legursky than I do thats for sure….but I agree…probably should of put Smith on the list…but oh well
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by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 2, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s more Ziggy Hood than Harris that I have faith in….
Hood I just think has a lot more upside than a guy like Kirstche or even Eason….
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by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 2, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
you must consider the roster
I love Ziggy Hood. on passing downs, he will come in the game and rush inside next to Smith flanked by Harrison and Woodley on the outside.
Do you believe Sonny Harris has already made this team?
How bout this taken from Dale Lolley’s blog today about players on the bubble:
Travis Kirschke, DL – Kirschke has been a nice find for the Steelers, helping them to a pair of Super Bowl wins. But he’s also 34 and has a cranky back. If the Steelers are going to cut a lineman to keep both Ziggy Hood and Sonny Harris, it’s likely to be Kirschke, not Nick Eason.
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by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 2, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because someone “makes the team” doesn’t mean that they are ready to play. The steelers have a lot of players that we don’t want to see play legitimate time that we still want on the roster. The steelers do not historically have DEs ready to go out of the gates, but if the DEs show enough they can’t just put them on the PS. The steelers will take the time to develop their DEs if they can, even their low draft picks, our current line as an example.
Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL
Just a sign of a great team that there can be such a diversity of opinion. The fact is we are better prepared than any contending team in the NFL to lose a star or two and still have a shot. You’re absolutely right about Ben being the no-brainer at No. 1. He’s the only guy on that list whose loss would make it virtually impossible to contend for a SB, and even at that a great defense and a running game might get the job done.
by steeler.lifer on Sep 2, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s see how that goes. I’m expecting them to be in the top 10 in rushing yards this season.
by steeler.lifer on Sep 3, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no confidence in Hartwig. I have flash backs him being run over and then being called for a Hold in the endzone which resulted in a safety. At least I can
have hope in some new blood
I would rather have linemen good at their posistion with no posistion flexibility than lineman who suck but are posistion flexible.
by ste on Sep 2, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
and speaking of the horrible Sean Mahan…he was cut today by the Bucs…pretty smart trade they made:
The Bucs traded us a 7th rounder to get him…which ended up becoming A.Q. Shipley
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by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 2, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks for the article
I would rather have linemen good at their posistion with no posistion flexibility than lineman who suck but are posistion flexible.
My list
1) Troy Polamalu – If Troy gets hurt, there is no depth behind him. We have to change our whole defensive game plan, because T. Carter is a casualty. With Troy in the game, Lebeau has the confidence to bring extra heat.
2) Ben Roethlisberger – No Brainer. Batch, Dixon, and over half the starting QBs in the NFL can’t make the clutch throws that only Ben can.
3) Hines Ward – Hines is Ben’s security blanket. He will go over the middle to catch that pass no one else would dare. He sets up blocks to spring RBs and other WRs.
4) James Harrison – This guy would probably have double the sacks every game if he wasn’t held so frickin much. He’s near impossible to stop, and his motor doesn’t quit. He’s a nightmare for O-Lineman. Plus, there isn’t any depth at OLB that could get 1/2 as much heat on the QB.
5) Aaron Smith – The D-Line struggles without Aaron in the game. He’s big enough and strong enough to take on anyone and tie up blockers. Without him, our LBs would not be as successful. Although Ziggy will someday replace him, the dropoff this year would be significant.
6) Heath Miller – No other TE on the roster can block as well as Heath, and with Arian’s documented love of TE sets over using a FB, his contributions are many. Plus, he can actually catch if given the chance.
7) Ike Taylor – His nickname should be “Duct Tape” because he’s got everything covered. He fears no WR and is highly consistent in shutting down stud WRs.
8) James Farrior – He seems to be everywhere on every play and seems to be in on every tackle in every pile. He might be older and a little slower, but can you ask more of him? Find me a LB on the bench with 1/2 as much effort…
9) Max Starks/Willie Colon – I may have them ranked a little low as 9th most important, but I don’t think these guys are very good at all. Granted, they are the best we have, so YES, it could be worse. However, I think if one of these guys goes down, we can still find a way to win.
10) Ryan Clark – Our pass coverage suffers without him in the game. He knows what Troy is going to do and where Troy is going to be. He is the ultimate compliment to Polamalu.
SHORT MEMORIES...
Please scroll upwards and you’ll see I posted some detailed Tyrone Carter statistics! The guys is NOT a casualty. Whenever he starts we are:
Replacing Troy at Strong Safety his record is 6W-2L.
Replacing Clark at Free Safety his record is 4W-1L.
i like your #1 choice
my pick would be either troy polamalu or aaron smith as #1. i don’t know what happened to the Steelers when troy was out but it probably wasn’t a very good team, all i know is that when Aaron Smith went down in 2007, but Steelers missed the playoffs even with Big Ben’s best career stats
I think I did this somewhere else, but
1) Ben – he is our whole offense
2) Troy – he’s great and the backups are terrible
3) Deebo – he’s great and the backups are meh
4) Smith – he’s very good and the backups aren’t ready to step up yet
5) Ike – his unique skill set allows us to do what we do on defense
6) Woodley – big dropoff from him and Deebo to Woods and Frazier
7) Hines Ward – still the man
8) Heath Miller – the only TE who should be on the field
9) Mewelde Moore – did someone just throw a pass to the RB?
10) Ryan Clark and the entire OL – anyone who could go down and give Tyrone Carter, Doug Legursky, or Tony Hills playing time is irreplaceable in my book
Bonus: top 5 most replaceable guys who won’t get replaced
5) Tyrone Carter (and no, I will never forgive you for David Garrard)
4) Matt Spaeth (a must for “3 TE guys”)
3) The entire OL (anyone who could go down and give Doug Legursky or Tony Hills playing time and not have there be a huge dropoff is replaceable in my book)
2) Carey Davis (he does it in multiple positions)
1) Bruce Arians (I’m so surprised BMF said he doesn’t like this guy. I thought they were bosom friends)
charity standing orders
lol
Putting the OL on both lists is a signature BMF moment.
by steeler.lifer on Sep 2, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
5. Tyrone Carter- Why such hate for Ty? I actually think he’s a reliable veteran backup. He always seems to be around the ball and is a violent tackler. Coaches like him and appreciate him. He’s no Troy or Clark, but a nice backup. Bad, forget the Garrard play…that game was lost when we run a friggin QB draw on 3rd & 6…a friggin QB draw…when our defense was bleeding profusely and there wasn’t any chance in hell they were going to protect a 1 point lead. None.
4. Spaeth- agreed 100%…1000%
3. OL- I know your down on them but I think they may surprise you. If someone gets hurt, Legursky, Foster, Capizzi will have to step in and step it up (just like Stapleton did last year). With injuries being such a factor in the NFL, I think it’s a given, some of those guys will be called upon. It’s all about capitalizing on opportunities…we count on those guys raising the level of their play when needed.
2. Davis- agreed 100%
1. BA- I know you detest him and think he is the devil incarnate, but I just don’t agree. Yes, he’s had his “questionable” moments (all coaches do)
(ie see above 3rd and 6 a qb draw!!!…what?…I equally fault Tomlin for allowing such a conservative call but I think they both learned a valuable lesson about playing too conservative in big games…it only took Cowher 6 tries)
but last year I think he did the best he could with a OL decimated by injuries. When the OL isn’t cohesive it doesn’t matter what you call. I don’t think it’s a coincedence as the year went on, and the OL played better, the play calling seemed to improve.
BA isn’t going anywhere for a long time. The chemistry between coaches and players is fantastic. I don’t want you to be miserable b/c BA is our OC, even as we win games, lots of games, and hopefully more SB’s. Try to cut the guy some slack, even if you do think he is the devil :)
Btw, great call on MM being on your list. I think he is the most undervalued, under appreciated guy we have…he is awesome. He is such a great weapon to have out of the backfield. He is critical to have for 3rd down conversions, can pick up the blitz, and is a much better runner than people give him credit for. I may be in the minority, but I think he could easily be the “main man”/ the featured back.
Arians the Devil?
Can I hope that we win another superbowl next year and that he gets hired by another team as their head coach? :D
I know it’s just your opinion, and that’s cool, but personally, I feel like people have been making excuses for him for 2+ years. He inherited an offense with a top 5 QB, a couple pretty good receiving options, a good running game, and very modest expectations on account of the defense. In the 2 years he’s been here, the running game has gone to shit, the passing game has only succeeded in improv or hurry up (read: Ben) mode, and he’s failed to give the offense anything that even resembles a direction.
charity standing orders
It’s all good, Bad. The way I view it…year 1, BB has a great year 30+ TDs, FWP would have led the league in rushing in he didn’t get hurt last game…that’s pretty darn respectable. Year 2, as we know OL injuries, OL in flux, look awful, pull it together, win SB.
As far as him not giving the offense any direction…again, in year 1 I don’t think that was the case. And with poor OL play in year 2, there couldn’t be any direction with poor pass protection and worse run blocking, while the OL got settled.
Hey listen we all have our bias. I think no matter what he does, you still won’t like him. If he has success you will give credit begrudingly. I’m ok with him. So if there are mistakes, I’ll cut him some slack. It’s human nature.
Tyrone Carter
Replacing Troy at Strong Safety his record is 6W-2L.
Replacing Clark at Free Safety his record is 4W-1L.
Wow, I guess Tyrone Carter gives someone a big Bonek. Tackles for a guy in the secondary don’t mean anything. If you consider that he was facing Bruce Gradkowski twice, Chris Weinke, John Beck, whoever the Browns sauntered out there, and a crappy Carson Palmer in most of those games, his W/L record suddenly makes more sense. Whenever he went against a decent QB, we got torched: Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Marc Bulger.
He’s a decent player in the running game, but he’s slow and doesn’t contribute much in the passing game when he isn’t facing Bruce Gradkowski. Deshea would be a better coverage safety, which IMO is the primary function of the position.
charity standing orders
That's hilarious
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
And if he’s still that excited about Carter today he should probably go to a hospital.
by steeler.lifer on Sep 4, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
That's only after 36 hours.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
No wait it's 4 lol
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
lol at 36 hours … heck I’m thrilled with 36 minutes.
by steeler.lifer on Sep 4, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
With a break in the middle
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
+1
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
My List
1) Large Benjamin
2) Aaron Smith
3) Hartwig
4) Troy
5) James Farrior
6) Ike
7) Jeff Reed
8) Hines
9) Santonio
10) Sepulveda
by DwightWhite's Missing Tooth on Sep 2, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions
I thought I was the only one who would put Hartwig on the list.
Jeff Reed is an interesting one that I really didn’t even think of.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 2, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Reed would have to be on there
With as difficult a place as Heinz field is to kick, Reed has be mentioned.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Big Ben #1, by far
Bonek had it right…think of all the great dominating defenses we’ve had in the 90’s, coupled with an equally dominating, in your face, ground attack…with 0 SB’s.
I think of it this way…do we win the SB without Big Ben on the last drive? No. No way.
2009 would have been another tragic example of a great Steeler defense failing to win a SB. Big Ben saved their a** on that last drive…which is what “team” is all about.
i disagree on some and i agree on one
i agree that last supebowl Big Ben had to save the Steelers cuz Ike Taylor stupidly allowed a long touchdown off of a simple slant, but the Defense had to still stop Kurt Warner at the end.
in the 90’s and early 2000’s the Steelers teams choked in the big games, i remember superbowl 30 neil o’donnell only had 7 interceptions during the season yet threw 2 to the same guy in that superbowl (i think he was paid) but the Steelers didn’t do anything to make up for that, unlike in superbowl XL when Big Ben had 23, the lowest qb rating of all time, threw 2 interceptions during crucial times but yet the Defense dominated and the Steelers prevailed with a double digit lead. Also see my comment to Bonet above, Kordell could have won if not for the times the Special teams broke down in the big games especially against the Pats where a field goal try was blocked and returned for a touchdown and also allowed a punt return for a touchdown to troy down, yet the Steelers only lost by 7.
aaron smith???!!!!!
OMG, How could you leave Aaron Smith off? He is the single most indispensable player on our defense. We absolutely could not stop the run when he went down 2 years ago, and our playoff hopes were ruined. More important than Casey.
Also, we would quite possibly talking about how we could take the final step and win the SB this year were it not for Santonio’s performances in the playoffs. Punt return TD vs. SD, and he and Ben WERE our offense on the desparation game winning SB drive. When the chips were down in crunch time, HE was the guy Ben went too. He’s a fabulous receiver: fast, great hands, lightning quick moves to get open, and explosive burst in the open field. More important to our offense now than Hines.
Lamar Woodley. C’mon. Harrison was Player of the Year and he is definitely indispensable. But in my opinion, the single biggest difference in our defense last year was Woodley’s emergence on the other side. He is almost as indispensable as Harrison. He’s a beast against the run, as good as it gets at wrapping up and driving into the ball carrier. And he’s a very polished pass rusher. Remember Kevin Greene raving about him in training camp last year? The key to our 3rd down defense was the inability of the other team to focus on one side. With Woodley and Harrison as Pro Bowl-caliber pass rushing threats on either side, our third down defense was as good as it’s ever been last year. And by getting off the field so well after 3rd down, our defense was well-rested going into and throughout the playoffs, a huge factor late in the season. Just ask Tomlin. It’s all about getting off the field on 3rd down. More crucial to our defense than Farrior’s ILB position, and I love Farrior.
Ryan Clark is another indispensable guy. Remember when Anthony Smith had to play 2 years ago and we started getting beat deep a lot? Clark is a stabilizing force back there as our last line of defense. He’s got decent speed for a safety and he’s always in the right position. We have no one else who has played that role on this team with success.
I’d have to take Hartwig off to make room for Clark. Legursky looks like he could survive in there if Hartwig went down (not including Legursky on the list of course). And Starks is the only guy we have who has proven he can get the job done at LT. Our backup tackle(s), whoever they end up being, would be better suited to the right side, so I’d say Starks is more indispensable than Colon. I’d have to say the staff agrees based on their handling of Starks’ contracts the last few years.
Big Ben
I can’t disagree with Big Ben as the most indispensable player. He plays the most important position on the team at a high level, and he is clutch with the game on the line.
Also, I do agree with the idea to move Timmons to OLB and bring in Fox inside if Harrison or Woodley miss time. Don’t underestimate Andre Frasier though. He has shown the ability to get to the QB over his career.
I wouldn’t have any wr in the top 10. The Steelers are deep at that position. I also wouldn’t have Harrison so high, simply because they could move Timmons outside and bring in Fox.
yes the steelers are deep at wr, but santonio is special. they have no one who can do what he does.
also, harrison deserves to be high on the list, in my opinion. sure, timmons is capable of playing outside, but this list is not solely based on who a player has behind him. it is also based on the player’s performance, and teebo is just on another level right now. he is dominant, and he rises to the occasion when our defense needs a splash play. i’ve never seen a steeler olb do what he does for us.
My top ten
1. Ben- Duh
2. Troy- Without him our whole defensive gameplan changes
3. Smith- Anyone remember what happened when he got hurt, our run D went down the drain
4.Starks and Colon- The backups suck way more than either of them do
5. Harrison- Offenses have to change their gameplan to account for him
6. Ike- Legit shutdown corner that can’t catch
7. Hines and Farrior- Heart and Soul of their sides of the ball
8. Big Snack- I assume our run D would dissappear without him as well
9. Hartwig- We need him if we even want to think about running the ball
10. Dick Lebeau- I know he’s not a player but cmon he’s the man
Big Ben is #1
Big Ben is definitely the one indispensable Steeler. Anyone could build a winning team around this guy.
Starks?
I don’t know what you guys are thinking. For all the money we’re paying the left side of the line, they are totally inconsistent.
Starks should get an emmy for his random imitations of a pylon this preseason. When he’s mentally in the game he can be great but he takes snaps off. for the $$ we pay him we could have better. I seem to remember Essex filling in admirably vs Jacksonville once
#2 Willie Colon????
You gotta be kidding me? My 2 week old granddaughter would be more effective. This guys is the biggest hole in the Steeler Offensive lineup. I don’t have the statistics at hand, but I have no doubt that he was the most penalized offensive lineman last year, and he couldn’t wtop whipped cream from getting thru the line. PLEASE!!!!
who do we have on the roster that plays right tackle at an NFL level?
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 3, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
u answer ur own question...
it is not the fact that Colon is a superior player… it is indeed the lack of depth after him. :)
Colon is 28th best right tackle in the league as far as I see it :)
i disagree with Big Ben being #1, remember Superbowl XL
while Big Ben has gotten the job done when the game is on the line in the 4th quarter, his statistics wouldn’t compensate if the Steelers defense doesn’t do their job, there wouldn’t be any comebacks cause the opponents’ leads would be so much that Big Ben’s final drives would be nothing than to make the game more decent to watch. Just imagine if New York’s D couldn’t do the job against New England in the superbowl, Eli Manning’s heroics would have been just to get the game closer cause the Patriots usually scored around 30 against other previous teams. And remember how bad Big Ben played in superbowl XL, and yet they still won. If Ike Taylor didn’t make that huge mistake of giving up Fitzgerald’s long touchdown off of a stupid simple slant, Big Ben’s drive wouldn’t have been needed, just like in the AFC championship when Troy sealed the game, cause Big Ben couldn’t get the offense rolling
so you think we win 12 games and win the Super Bowl with Byron Leftwitch last year and you think we can win enough games to win the Super Bowl this season with Charlie Batch????
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 3, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Steelers won with Batch and Leftwich, for the record the Steelers Defense is the most important
Leftwich replaced Big Ben when he was injured last year and the Steelers won those games, Batch replaced Big Ben during the Superbowl XL season and they won those games, Big Ben had the lowest quarterback rating of any superbowl winner when he threw interceptions in crucial situations in Superbowl XL that could have derailed a team but the Steelers still prevailed by a double digit lead. No doubt Big Ben gives the Steelers the best chance to win at quarterback than any of their quarterbacks but there is no doubt the Steelers wouldn’t stand a chance if the Defense doesn’t do what they do. Checked out what happened when Big Ben had the best stats in his career a couple of years ago but the Defense was no where to be found because of injuries to guys like Aaron Smith and others, they didn’t even make the playoffs, see happened to the Saints, Broncos, and Texans last year. Rest my case
Without Ben
We lose to Baltimore both times, Dallas, and San Diego in the regular season. Without Ben, that was a .500 football team.
Without the Defense the Steelers wouldn't even get to .500
it’s important to point out that both Baltimore games and the San Diego game were a defensive game, if the Defense allowed more points like most of the other NFL teams, Big Ben’s last drive wouldn’t have mattered, and remember Deshea Townsend’s interception for a touchdown in the Dallas game to win the game. and also the Steelers could have won more games if Big Ben didn’t throw crucial interceptions late in the game, like the Giants and the Colts game. Big Ben’s definitely the better quarterback than any of the quarterbacks on the team and he can win games in the final drives, but without the Defense there would be no Big Ben, cause those last drives wouldn’t mean a thing if the opponents are leading by so much to overcome. See what happened to the Saints, Broncos, and Texans last year, they didn’t even make the playoffs and they had dynamic players like Drew Brees and the offense, Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, Andre Johnson and others. Hands down the Steelers Defense is the MVP, and remember when Big Ben had his best year in terms of career stats a couple of years ago, the Defense was bad because of injuries to guys like Aaron Smith and others, and Steelers didn’t make the playoffs, Rest my Case
When Ben had his best stats year a couple years ago, the Steelers did make the playoffs so you’ll have to rest your case on something else. No one is denying how important the defense is, but it’s an 11- man defense with a number of different play-makers and decent depth. Probably the most significant absence on the defensive side the last couple years was Aaron Smith but even then, if Tyrone Carter makes a tackle of if the notorious missed holding call draws a flag or if the genius OC does something besides call a QB sweep on third down, the Steelers would have advanced further in the playoffs. The only reason they were in position to win that playoff game was because Ben had led an amazing comeback. As for success by backup QBs, the last four games in which Charlie Batch has had significant playing time (attempted a minimum of 10 passes) the Steelers are 1-3. Throw in Leftwich’s two significant appearances last year and the team is 3-3 without Ben over the previous three seasons. Ben is the difference between a good team and a 2-time SB winning team. The Steelers don’t make it to the first SB without Ben and they don’t win last year without Ben (after the defense had collapsed in the fourth quarter). Everyone has their own opinion about this speculative topic and we’re fortunate that we’ve only had to speculate about the impact of having to replace Ben over a long stretch. I just get irked when you support your opinion with alleged facts that are wrong (missing the playoffs two years ago).
by steeler.lifer on Sep 4, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
10. Heath- Our running game and pass protection suffer big time if he’s not in there. Spaeth not even in same ballpark.
9. Starks- Not one of the top 10 best players on team, but if he shows any improvement he’ll move even further up list. He is only guy who has shown he can adequately hold down 2nd most important position on the offense.
8. Clark. Not one of our 10 best, but if he is out, it is a fact: our last line of defense will fail and we’ll give up a long pass or run.
7. Tone-He and Ben have the ability to win a game together almost by themselves. His hips are so fluid, he gets open effortlessly, shakes defenders and kicks into 4.4. speed in an instant.
6. Troy. Obviously either the 1st or 2nd best player on team, but the guys in front of him on list play roles that are more critical to the success of the team.
5. Woodley. He and Harrison play the most important positions on the defense. If you can’t put pressure on the quarterback in the NFL, well, watch the scoreboard light up. Woodley’s emergence last year was the final piece in what became one of the great defenses of all time. His ability to rush the QB at a Pro Bowl level from the left side, coupled with Harrison on the right, pretty much made the offensive line defenseless against Lebeau’s zone blitzes. This guy is going to be a great player for us for a long time.
4. Ike. Lebeau can leave him 1 on 1 with the best receivers in the game. This does wonders for our defense’s ability to scheme. Nobody, repeat, nobody in the NFL beats Ike Taylor deep. Probably the fastest cornerback in the NFL in the past 20 years. Maybe ever? No exaggeration. His speed coach worked with both Deion and Woodson and said Ike is faster. And he’s 6’1".
3. Aaron Smith-When he goes out, we go from top of the league vs. the run to mediocre. Try blocking everything out and watching only Aaron Smith for a few series. He is so good at jolting the opposing RT with his hand punch, keeping him at arm’s length, and flowing down the line towards the ballcarrier. He manhandles his man and goes wherever he wants to go. And he’s relentless. He repeats this one-on-one dominance every single play. It’s pretty much a given that the opposing offensive coordinator is going to give up on trying to run the ball against us and he is the #1 reason. I don’t know what the Steelers are going to do when #91 finally retires some day. Ziggy’s got some of the same qualities (great arm strength, better speed) but he’s 3 inches shorter.
2. Harrison- An overwhelming force coming at the quarterback from the blind side, he a master at disrupting what the other team is trying to do. Savvy, he rises to the occasion, making decisive plays with the game on the line.
1. Ben- plays the most important position on the field. Among the best QB’s in the NFL right now, he makes our offense go.
Steelers Defense is Most Valuable, see my comment above
either Aaron Smith, Troy Polamalu, or James Harrison is the #1 irreplaceable player on the team, see my comment above and remember the 2007 season
rest my case
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 4, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
He wants us to remember the 2007 season but he can’t remember they made the playoffs.
by steeler.lifer on Sep 4, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
A difference of opinion
My memory of 2006 is that Ben struggled in the first half of the 06 season, maybe something to do with a motorcycle crash and an appendectomy. The Steelers were 2-6 halfway through the season. In the seven games Ben started to that point, he had 7 TD passes and 14 interceptions. In two of the losses the Steelers had six turnovers per game, including three interceptions in each. In another loss (in Oakland) Ben had four interceptions while the defense gave up less than 100 yards. The defense gave up an average of 284 yards per game in the first half of the season. There were a couple of notable meltdowns (Ike Taylor vs. Denver, getting bamboozled by Michael Vick) and Cowher seemed more interested in high school basketball than the Steelers that year. Lots of blame to go around but to pin that bad season on the defense just doesn’t wash. What we basically saw that year was a complacent, poorly prepared team with a QB whose jersey said Roethlisberger but whose play said Kyle Boller.
by steeler.lifer on Sep 4, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
if the Steelers Defense doesn't do the job, the team won't go anywhere
The Steelers wouldn’t have even reached .500 if not for the Defense, the Steelers in scoring only ranked around 20 or lower, not even in the half of the NFL, meaning they only scored enough to win, which means if the Defense wasn’t the best, good bye playoffs.
Yes we did see it last season, see happened with Drew Brees and their high scoring offense, checked out Jay Cutler and the Broncos, these qbs were pro bowlers, but were the teams in the playoffs?
If the offense doesn't do the job
the team won’t go anywhere as well.
This is who is the one most indispensible player. That clearly is Ben.
“Smacks hands together”
I’m out.
My question is
How did they find Waldo to shoot him?
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
If You are asking Who´s No. 1, the anwer is We are a Mostly a Deffensive Team and We have to take Aaron Smith. If You are looking for a "face for Our franchise" then You can take BB
My list will go:
00) T Rooneys,
0) LeBeau & Tomlin,
1.4) Aaron Smith,
1.6) BB,
3) Ward,
4) Troy,
5) Harrison,
6) Heath
7) Ike,
8) Woodley,
9) Holmes,
10) Starks, Only by their position,
IMHO.
O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.

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