Troy Polamalu's Impact on our "Short-Clock" defense
by Mechem on Sep 21, 2009 3:26 PM EDT
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Now, I'm not one to make snap judgements. I personally like to take my time. And this current post is not one that is going to jump down the throats of anybody on our team. Its simply to make a comparison.
I think we've all noticed a serious problem in our first two games, that of the short clock defense going horribly down the tubes. In 4 two minute opportunities, The opposing team has 2 TDs and a FG, 3/4 opportunities have been converted. Needless to say this should be a time of lockdown and shutting out, not a time to yield over half your points allowed this year.
So this got me wondering, why prytell is this the case? My thought went to Troy Polamalu's absence. And to find out, I dug through our 07 and 08 game records. We know Polamalu was there all last year, but not toward the end of 07, nor right now. I've compiled the numbers. The results, shocking. Put your children in another room and have a look.
I decided to take a look back to observe our "short time" defense. I decided that if a drive goes past 3 minute territory on a half, then it counts as a opportunity. Meaning a drive starting in the 4th quarter early, that ends with 2:52 left on the clock will count as an opportunity. The goal is to see how the defense locks down when the clock gets low. I did however choose to make a side note when we have a drive end in a TD that ends say at 3;02 or 3:10, cause thats still bad
I didnt count any hopeless last heaves or any drive that started under 30 seconds to go, unless they were inside our territory. Also, if the opposing team never had the ball at the end of the half, then obviously thats not an opportunity.
If the team gets the ball within the 3 minute mark of regulation, TRIES to advance it, and then the drive sputters and they go into OT, thats a defense. If they just chose to kneel it, say from 1 minute to go, I dont count that as an opportunity because they just were happy to go into OT.
I chose not to count OT because teams run very different schemes, some treat it like Q1 and others like a 2 minute drill.
Author edit: Folks have commented that it would be best to include all 07 contests that HAD troy polamalu as well, as 07 and 08 are different years. While I dont see a definite NEED to do this, I think it can only further inform. So for the sake of a well rounded statistical review, I will expand my search and update results.
Turnovers that killed an opportunity are noted.
Starting with the 07 Season, all games with TP from the start:
Week 1 Against Cleveland, 0/2, Fumble and INT
Week 2 against Bills, 0/1, Punt
Week 3 against 49ers, 1/2, TD, Downs, both in 2nd half.
Week 4 against Cardinals, 0/1, Missed FG, They ran the clock out at the end to seal the win.
Week 5 against Seattle, 0/2, INT, Punt
Week 7 Against Broncos, 1/1, FG,
Week 8 against Cincy, 1/1, FG
Week 9 against Ravens, 1/2, TD and Punt
Week 10 against Cleveland, 0/1, MIssed 52yd FG to tie game.
Week 11 against NYJ, 2/2 FG, they made a FG in OT to win.
Week 12 Against MIami, 0/1, Punt, Mud bowl game.
Looking at the 08 Season,
First game against Houston: 1/2, A TD. It was in garbage time toward the end though.
Week 2 against Cleveland: 0/0,
Week 3 Against Eagles, 2/3, 2 FGs and an INT.
Week 4 against Ravens, 1/2, 1 FG
Week 5 against Jags, 0/1, Fumble recovery
Week 7 against Cinci, 1/2, TD (mind you this was a 38/10 ass beating, yet 7 points were at the end of 1H)
Week 8 against Giants, 0/1, They had a TD with 3:08 to go in the 4th though... still gotta draw the line somewhere.
Week 9 against Redskins, 0/2, Punt Block and a INT. Great game by our short time D.
Week 10 against Colts, 1/2, Punt, TD 1st half, they scored a TD in the second half with 3:10 left. Bad.
Week 11 against Chargers, 0/1, INT.
Week 12 against Cincy, 0/3, Punt (which was muffed, giving them a second chance), Downs, INT.
Week 13 against Pats, 0/2, Missed FG 27 yarder, and downs at end of game. Shoulda had a FG.
Week 14 against Cowboys, 1/3, FG, INT (desheas pick 6), downs.
Week 15 against Ravens, 1/2, FG, INT
Week 16 against Titans, 0/2, Both got into our territory but ended in punts. Good effort by the D.
Week 17 against Browns, 0/2, Punt and Downs
Now, I want to look at our stats, WITHOUT Troy Polamalu, Looking back in 07 and Going into this year:
07, Bengals, 0/1, Downs
07, Against pats, 1/2, FG
07, Against JAX (not playoff), 2/2, Both TDs
07, Rams, 1/2, FG and Downs
07, Ravens, 1/2, FG and Punt
07 Jax Playoff, 1/2, Missed FG, and a GWFG.
Week 1, Titans, 1/3, Blocked FG in the first chance, TD right after, then punted. They ran out clock for OT later.
Week 2, Bears, 2/2, Huge TD drive for the 1st half, and a big GWFG at the end.
First of all, what can we learn from these numbers? Well, in 2008, we allowed 223 points. Tops in the NFL on defense. 36 points were allowed under 3 minutes to go. Thats 16% of the points we give up come in just 10% of the game.
In 2007, we allowed 269 points in total. 2nd in the league. Thats 46 more points than in 08. 145 Points were given up in 12 games with Troy Polamalu. We gave up 26 points, or 16.5% of our points in the final 3 minutes of halves with TP in house. Nearly IDENTICAL to the 16% we gave up last year in 08.
Looking at the points allowed without Troy Polamalu:
In the mentioned 2007 games without TP, including the one playoff, we gave up 155 points, thats a shit ton... Thats more than the rest of 07 in just half the time, 6 games. Plus these two this year makes for 182 points in 8 total games.
Of those 182, we gave up 43 points in the final 3 minutes of halves. Thats 24%.
The math: We gave up 16.5% of our total points in the final 3 minutes of games in 07, and 08, WITH TROY. Without him, that number jumps 50% to 24%.
What we also learn is, without Troy Polamalu, we've allowed 9/16 opportunities to convert to points. Thats 57%, whereas with him, its just 14/46 chances, or 30% (07 data included)
Let that sink in, and let me rephrase it: Without Troy Polamalu, our opponents have a 27% greater chance of scoring inside 3 minutes to go in a half. Without Troy Polamalu we are giving up nearly a quarter of our total points allowed in the most important moments in the game. In addition our points allowed in 07 skyrocketed without Troy Polamalu. Allowing more than your first 12 games worth, in just 6 games, is quite a feat.
Yes without Troy Polamalu our defense is hurting. Quality of our opponents is not the real problem here. We all know the vicious schedule we played last year. It was a brutal one. Yet we handled most all of those without many issues. Even those scores we did give up, several came off of short field situations such as a turnover. This year, we played two quality teams, and looked quite bad in short time without Troy Polamalu.
Folks, we need to pray and hope that we get this man back soon, and that in the meantime we figure out a way to stop that fast paced offense that we are so poorly performing against.
I hope this detailed review has shown us just how valuable our Troy Polamalu is. Harrison may have won the DMVP award, but on this team, its clear who makes the difference.
*Having expanded the research field through the back of 07 only further confirms the analysis. Throughout all of 07 our team played great short time defense, that is, until Troy left. In addition we see that the percentage of points given up inside 3 minutes with Troy is the same from 07 to 08.
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Anyone who does that much research deserves a rec.
Nice post, staggering numbers in the absence of Troy.
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by Johnny_S on Sep 21, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
problems with analysis... I think its commendable that you did such research but I have issues with the comparisons…
first of all, i think that the biggest problem is the comparison of two separate seasons. no matter that polamalu did not play for 6 games in 07 we still need to compare 07 with 07….therein lies the problem. how did we match up with and without him? what if in 07 our team gave up almost just as many points with polamalu?
our 08 team was much better defensively on its own. bryant came onto his own and played very well alongside ike taylor. our secondary was not as good in 07.
aaron smith if i recall propery was also injured in 07. that happened after the pats and during the pats game and limited our playtime.
how about other injuries to players during 07 season in general? what about team morale or the fact that it was a new season? how about how the team was tired a lot because of the intense practices? remember, polamalu was injured near the end of the season or the middle. not the beginning.
last year woodley came of his own. he did not play at that level the year before.
we also had sean mahan as center and other offensive woes that while did show up in 08 were certainly not necessarily as drastic.
now how is the offense affecting defense? ball possession. and thats a big issue. if the defense has to play more we get screwed more.
so while its a good analysis…im not so sure its safe to make the assumptions that polamalus game changing ability are as significant as they play out to be….
by surag238 on Sep 21, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point, but I might add...
the lack of pressure so far this year is disconcerting. Only two sacks in two games? That puts the entire team on pace to match James Harrison’s total from last year. The defense’s lack of pressure allows the QB to routinely make those short passes to the flat that are hurting the Steelers so much. Those are timing routes and the D is not getting enough pressure, or pressure quick enough, to disrupt the short passing game.
I think Mechem’s right: Polamalu could mask this deficiency with his closing speed on ballcarriers (think Chris Johnnson in the first game). Nevertheless, I think the lack of pressure these last two games has allowed the opposing team’s two minute offense to find a short passing rhythm. If Harrison and Woodley are pressuring opposing QBs the way they did last year, the effect of losing Troy would much less pronounced.
Even when Troy returns, the D might be less than spectacular unless they start bringing down the QB. LeBeau’s scheme is and always has been vulnerable to the short passing attack when, and only when, the front seven are unable to generate consistent pressure.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Sep 21, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah and no...
First of all I agree we’ve had a lack of pressure. But Sacks dont always equate great defense. Case in point, Jets vs Pats the other day. Jets got ZERO sacks, but caused enough havok.
This is a decent O-line, it let Forte pork everybody last year. And last week’s O-line allowed a whopping 8 sacks on the year.
I think though that Troy buys us time. When Troy can outperform Tyrone Carter so much, which was really apparent in this game, the QB needs more time to find an option. Plus, the confusion troy adds probably slows down a QB’s processing. This gives our LB’s time to get to the QB.
You can play chicken or the egg with this one, but I believe its Troy’s Shenanigans that enable our LB’s to be so meastly.
Also Harrison did do his usual weekly forced fumble and it just bounced the wrong way this week.
by Mechem on Sep 21, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don’t necessarily need sacks but we do need pressure. In Dick LeBeau’s scheme, outside LBs are rarely playing the flats. The D usually more than makes up for this by getting in the QB’s face and disrupting those short patterns. I do know this: this year, the Texans sacked Kerry Collins as many times as tjhe Steelers did and the Packers sacked Cutler twice as many times (on fewer attempts).
by CarlWeathersMustache on Sep 21, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Packers also had 4 infinity times the number of interceptions that we had against Cutler. Obviously without Troy, it’s no surprise that the Packers have a more opportunistic defense than us; I could see the Packers having 1 or 2 infinity times our interceptions, but 4 infinity, sheesh.
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by BadMaafala on Sep 21, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Almost forgot about that FF…that coulda woulda shoulda been huge.
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by steelguy99 on Sep 21, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Also Harrison did do his usual weekly forced fumble and it just bounced the wrong way this week."
god damn it that was the KEY to this game and it bounced the wrong way. I was heartbroken when that happened because I knew it was our last shot at winning the game.
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by showtime on Sep 21, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pressure
I’m not concerned about the “lack of pressure” because there is no lack. If we weren’t getting pressure on the QB, teams would be throwing deep on us. I mean our starting safeties are Ryan Clark and Tyrone Carter – not exactly interception machines – but how many times did the Bears or Titans throw down the field against us?
Teams know what Woodley and Harrison bring, and they’re not stupid enough to challenge them. Also, we’ve gone against 2 QB’s that were sacked a combined 19 times last year. Obviously Cutler doesn’t have as sweet an OL in Chicago as he did in Denver, but he knows how to avoid sacks and it showed Sunday.
It would be nice to get a little more interior pressure (true last year as well) to push the pocket and make QB’s back into our OLB’s (maybe Hood), but Harrison and Woodley have been getting plenty of penetration, playing great in the running game, and making offenses scared to throw deep. When Troy comes back, this defense will be great again and we’ll have plenty of time to fight our way to the division title if we take care of business on the offensive side of the ball.
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by BadMaafala on Sep 21, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
problems with analysis...
I think its commendable that you did such research but I have issues with the comparisons…
first of all, i think that the biggest problem is the comparison of two separate seasons. no matter that polamalu did not play for 6 games in 07 we still need to compare 07 with 07….therein lies the problem. how did we match up with and without him? what if in 07 our team gave up almost just as many points with polamalu?
our 08 team was much better defensively on its own. bryant came onto his own and played very well alongside ike taylor. our secondary was not as good in 07.
aaron smith if i recall propery was also injured in 07. that happened after the pats and during the pats game and limited our playtime.
how about other injuries to players during 07 season in general? what about team morale or the fact that it was a new season? how about how the team was tired a lot because of the intense practices? remember, polamalu was injured near the end of the season or the middle. not the beginning.
last year woodley came of his own. he did not play at that level the year before.
we also had sean mahan as center and other offensive woes that while did show up in 08 were certainly not necessarily as drastic.
now how is the offense affecting defense? ball possession. and thats a big issue. if the defense has to play more we get screwed more.
so while its a good analysis…im not so sure its safe to make the assumptions that polamalus game changing ability are as significant as they play out to be….
by surag238 on Sep 21, 2009 7:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this is the second time that i got double posted. wth.
by surag238 on Sep 21, 2009 7:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
basically waht im saying is that you could be right….but unless we account for at least what i’ve mentioned, comparing 07 to 07 only…we cant get a definitive picture.
by surag238 on Sep 21, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Understandable
I realize that. However, 07 to 08 our personal really did not change much on defense. I was comparing the end of 07 to the start of 08 too.
Just as the end of 08 looked pretty much the same as week one of 09, typically there is a strong carry over from the end of the year.
The texans looked great at the end of last year, and managed a great win this week early in the season.
The Titans lost a bit at the end of last year, and are losing now.
Get my point?
Plus then your argument would include that I cannot compare 08 to 09, since Polamalu never missed a game last year. We have to go with the most recent available data.
by Mechem on Sep 21, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget Woodley. Him coming in and teaming up with Harrison was a huge upgrade over Haggans.
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by BadMaafala on Sep 22, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty small sample size
Lots of good work here. The problem really is it is a very small sample size making a relatively small difference statistically insignificant.
Very interesting though how many points are scored in the last minutes of each half. It is something we all sense, but good to see for real in your research. It is probably why more teams are going to no huddles which were developed for 2 minute drills. Why can’t that hurry up sense of urgency work at any time of the game is the thinking.
On the second TD, with the overload blitz coming from the left side, Cutler was rushed and had to throw it when he did. I believe Polamalu would have seen what was happening and moved forward and been in front of the receiver.
by euwolfie on Sep 21, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the sample is sufficient
We have essentially the most recent 8 contests missed by troy polamalu over a 1.5 year span. And we have our total defense for a 1.5 year span as well.
I could see where the rest of the 07 data may be useful. But to me its 1.5 years of data, pretty solid amount. And the numbers have gotten worse this year.
If you take this years data away, the teams scored on 50% of the opportunities without Troy Polamalu. This year, we are at 75%, it averages to 57%. Point is, going farther back may mislead us to think its not as bad as it is. In fact, clearly, its gotten worse.
In 2 of the last 3 games Polamalu has missed, the opponents drove down the field for a Game Winning Field Goal. That alone tells me something. One of those, a playoff. And the other yesterday.
by Mechem on Sep 21, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Statistically speaking
25 data points are not enough, especially when so many variables are involved. It is impossible to isolate Polamalu as the deciding variable in such a small data set. But, to argue this point further takes us away from Steelers football, so lets agree that Polamalu is huge and a difference maker.
He would certainly have made a difference in the Bears game. Here’s hoping the next couple of three games don’t come down to the last 2 minutes.
On another subject. Has anyone looked at the replay of Olsen’s 29 yard catch. He dropped it. I am sure of it. The second replay shows him bobble it and the ball is loose as he falls on it. The first replay, shows his body skidding and bouncing on the ball and then he retrieves it and holds it up. He dropped it. Would of been worth a red flag. No?
by euwolfie on Sep 22, 2009 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didnt see it....
Anyway the one thing I will say, is we can very briefly look at our defense in the start of the Titans game with Troy. Basically he was singlehandedly dominating. And thats the troy we know. His play last year, superb again.
I just think his ability to read plays at a higher speed helps prevent some of these short time situations from evolving.
by Mechem on Sep 22, 2009 4:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We lose that Titans game if Troy doesn't play at all
He’s in there all of 5 minutes, and still managed to play a significant role in beating them. I have a feeling TP is going to be the next Chuck Norris.
by SteelersVT on Sep 22, 2009 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally agree with the doom and gloom authors points. the steelers may very well go 1-4 before they start to recover. you just don’t have your nuts cut off and expect to have the same D. it will take a while. 3 more games. i wouldn’t sweat it too much. cam will go pucker butt when we play you.
by raven on Sep 22, 2009 1:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
And this poast is not a panic poast. Merely pointing out that we have an issue.
We play basically like half our good competition in these first 4 weeks. So its a tough time to have him out.
Specially since Rivers nearly beat your awesome defense. We really will need Troy back for that game.
by Mechem on Sep 22, 2009 4:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, point being missed....
This isn’t an attack on anyone, or a personal attack….but my point seems to be ignored.
this isn’t about how much data is available. this isn’t about most recent data. this isn’t about any of that.
this is about statistics. when you use statistics you have to follow rules or the data is irrelevant.
i already explained why. 07 steelers behaved differently from 08. who is to say how we would have done without polamalu last year?
remember woodley? aaron smith? how tomlin was in his first year? how about how the team was tired near the end of the year in 07?
AGAIN….these are VERY CRITICAL FACTORS. 07 and 08 are NOT THE SAME.
using the argument that somehow teams continue their performance end of year to next year is nto true. if thats the case then the steelers should have struggled early 08. they did not.
again…07 IS A DIFFERENT YEAR FROM 08. unless your confounding factors, lurking factors are all removed then there is no way you can compare the two.
also, the games w/o polamalu were few and far inbetween. very few. 8. versus a lot more games with him. that too is an unfair analysis. of course you can argue that polamalu was only absent 8 games(thank god) but that doesnt take away from the inaccuracy of the stats.
this data anaylsis is inaccurate plain and simple. does it mean that what you are arguing is wrong? absolutely NOT. thats the point….you could be right. but you cannot make that argument using this math. it is completely flawed because 07 is very very very different from 08.
the same goes with 08 and 09. this isnt about a year. its not that the year is different. its that the game was played differently from 07 and 08.
I cant begin to tell you how much research i’ve reveiwed and worked on where data like this was collected and inferences were made. at the end most of the time it was wrong. trust me….i’ve been burned a lot with bad data. and this is by actual PhD researchers who got in over their head.
again…not personal…please.
by surag238 on Sep 22, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if you really dont believe me, let me know…ill go ahead and compare polamalu 07 when he was in and when he was out using the same analysis you did. we’ll see what happened….
by surag238 on Sep 22, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why don’t you go ahead and do that.
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by steelguy99 on Sep 22, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any and all data is welcome
Nice job Mechem. It’s very difficult if not impossible to quantify the data and come to definitive conclusions, but I appreciate your efforts. We all know Troy is missed. There are tangible qualities he brings to the field and intangibles that simply can’t be measured. I totally disagree with surag’s claim that “this data anaylsis is inaccurate plain and simple”. The facts you’ve presented seem accurate. There are other factors that can be considered and I suggest surag goes ahead with a detailed study or cite specific examples of your data being wrong rather than just complaining that your conclusions are not warranted.
Football is a team game that in many ways defies statistical breakdown of individuals’ worth. Troy’s absence has resulted in the team giving up a total of 27 points in six-plus quarters. This is not a meltdown. Last year was typified by one part of the team picking up the slack when another part faltered. This offense is essentially being asked to score about 20 points a game with Troy out. If they continue falling short of that, the team probably won’t be successful.
by steeler.lifer on Sep 22, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Data has been added
Since mr. Surag has continually insisted this is a bad review due to the lack of 07 data, I decided to back myself up and put it there.
The numbers, in fact, hardly changed.
The 16% of our total points that we gave up inside the end of halves in 08, was in fact 16.5% in 07 with Troy around.
The overall defense on these opportunities, including 07, raised the total to 30% converted into points. This still means, that without Troy Polamalu we’ve allowed 27% more short time situations to amount into points.
Its all back in the OP, as you can see, little has changed.
by Mechem on Sep 22, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
#$*$&*@$ (insert curse word)
man…I was really hoping that I would be proven right. Desperately. Thats disappointing. Good job on the edit. appreciate it.
I’m still holidng out…as we lost aaron smith that year when TP was out, and we also had a tired defense at the end with a new coach.
As a result, I do feel that the steelers will play better without TP this year than in 07.
by surag238 on Sep 22, 2009 6:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope as well
Hey believe me, I WISH the numbers told us we were ok without him. I would love to hear that.
But so far this year weve allowed 75% of those short time opportunities to become points since Mr Polamalu has been out… Not a good sign.
by Mechem on Sep 22, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a very good sign. i finally got a chance to watch the entire bears game. you guys hit twice as hard as them. overall, your team hits harder than any team outside the ravens. every play looks painful. the bears got ultra-lucky and that’s about it. midway through the 3rd it was all steelers. there is no way the bears come back from a 10 point deficit if reed makes it. nice to hang an L on you but it wasn’t an earned L.
by raven on Sep 23, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah you guys have to be feeling good
Fortunately for us, Polamalu should be back for our matchups later on. I hope.
Yeah the Bears got the breaks. But were 1-1, as are teams such as the Packers, Bengals and Raiders, and we have a lesser record than the 49ers Broncos and others.
So 1-1 is 1-1… Sucks.
by Mechem on Sep 23, 2009 1:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Saw the edits
Let it be known that Troy Polamalu is the best defender in the NFL and that Tyrone Carter sucks.
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by BadMaafala on Sep 23, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At the least
Hes one of the more valuable players out there. I hesitate to ever name one defensive player the best, this isnt the NBA this is the NFL its an 11 man group out there.
But yeah, I feel like we hurt without that man.
by Mechem on Sep 23, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with that
clearly you would like to say that as it implies our defense is really average without him.
would you agree if ed reed was out about your ravens? i’ll bet you won.t
the steelers will be fine without him. perhaps not as dominant, but just as good as any other elite defense.
its still just the start of the season guys. relax. remember last year when we lost to the eagles…
by surag238 on Sep 27, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still dont believe me?
Well two more 3 minute or less opportunities, and a FG and a TD were given up today.
I’m telling you guys, without a doubt, Without Troy Polamalu, we will continue to give up big drives.
by Mechem on Sep 27, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Troy not the solution to 55 min football
Our defensive problem – not able to finish out opponents began in the Super Bowl, not with Troy’s absence.
Either our D is:
1) to gassed due to a lack of conditioning and/or age to finish games
2) getting outcoached and/or outschemed when defending the final drives or
3) being left on the field too long by a three and out offense.
by bigmaq on Sep 30, 2009 1:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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