The 2-4-5 and 1-5-5 revealed
Bumped this excellent article from Romain El 82 to the front page for the excellent observations and explanations on some of the Steelers new defensive formations. His explanation is great for the casual football fan who may not know the difference between a 4-3 front and a 3-4 front, but it also goes in depth enough to keep us junkies entertained. (DYM)
As you may have noticed from watching the Steelers first two games this season, they line up in a goofy-looking formation on occasion on obvious passing situations, as well as a semi-goofing looking one once in a while. What are they? Why do they look so unorganized? And why do they work so well? If you're lost or just want to learn more, there's explanations and pictures after the jump.
To fully understand the 2-4-5 and 1-5-5, and how they differ from a true Nickel formation, first we must know and understand what a Nickel formation looks like, so here it is.
Ta-da!
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Here we see a typical Nickel package of a 4-3 team. Essentially they pull a linebacker off the field and replace him with an extra defensive back to match-up with the extra receiver. Notice how there are still two defensive ends and two defensive tackles on the field. Teams such as the Minnesota Vikings rotate out a defensive tackle, in the Vikings case Pat Williams (who, if you don't know, is pretty much a Casey Hampton at DT), and replace him with a smaller, quicker, usually more pass-rush oriented tackle. Again, they are matching speed with speed here, anticipating a spread field and quicker play from the offense.
Now, how does this differ from a 3-4 Nickel package you ask? Well, for one thing, the 3-4 only uses one defensive tackle, a big monster of a man who takes up two (sometimes three) blockers by distracting them with a Twinkie tied to the end of a stick (also, they are large, strong men capable of holding their ground versus two or more men while simultaneously being agile enough to jump in either 'A' gap - that is, either side of the Center. Yeah, pretty unique skill set right there). Having one, let alone two, of these very large men on the field is akin to racing a school bus versus a Porsche - there's no way they can match up at this game. 3-4 defensive ends are comparable to well-rounded 4-3 defensive tackles - they can rush the passer with efficiency as well as stopping the run.
The Steelers have a "complete set" of 3-4 ends, as Brett Keisel, the right defensive end (RDE) is more akin to an undertackle (the smaller, quicker, pass-rush oriented tackles) while Aaron Smith, the left defensive end (LDE) is similar to an overtackle, or simply defensive tackle (bet you didn't know you were using the term "defensive tackle" incorrectly all this time! :-P) - his priority is to stop the run first and pass-rush second. This isn't to say Keisel can't stop the run of Smith can't rush the passer - if you've been a Steeler fan for even a few years you know they are both incredibly talented, Keisel especially.
The other difference between the 3-4 and 4-3 is the number of linebackers on the field. For those who don't know, the first number (the "3" in 3-4) is the number of defensive linemen on the field, while the second number (the "4") is the number of linebackers on the field. To really simplify things, you don't run a 3-4 unless you have at least 4 really good linebackers. So, what does a 3-4 Nickel package look like?
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Notice that while there are no defensive tackles on the field, there are players lined up in their spots - in the Steelers case these would be Keisel and Smith - and that the four starting linebackers are still on the field. Remember the Nickel package is a spread-formation, pass-stopping defense, so the defense has their 2 best pass-rushing linemen out there while retaining the 4 versatile linebackers. The Steelers can run with all four linebackers on the field all four downs; with Laurence Timmons ascending to the starting role the Steelers have four "3-down" linebackers. Again, if you've been watching the Steelers a while this is elementary. Defensive Coordinator Dick LeBeau employs this front occasionally, but it can morph into the 1-5-5.
Remember how we said Aaron Smith and Brett Keisel were really talented? Fortunately, Coach LeBeau knows how to use all these trouble-makers on defense incredibly well. Let's look at the 1-5-5 formation in general, and how it caused confusion for Chicago and Tennessee this season.
Imagine you're an opposing QB facing the Steelers. All day you've been pursued doggedly by the defense. Maybe you've been sacked, maybe you've gotten lucky. Whatever the case, you've taken them on from the base defense (the 3-4) and the Nickel package (the previously mentioned 2-4-5). Perhaps it's a crucial 3rd down, maybe you've just spread the field on 1st. No matter down and distance, they break the huddle. You know Dick LeBeau doesn't blitz recklessly, instead preferring to confuse and frustrate his opponents. The Steelers line up in the 1-5-5. You see five, perhaps 6 men jumping around in the box, constantly shifting positions; there is only one down lineman. Your palms grow sweaty and a lump rises in your throat. The play clock is ticking down, and you have to snap the ball. You take a breath...HIKE! All hell breaks loose. You have no chance.
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Here is the typical lineup for the Steelers 1-5-5. Aaron Smith, normally a DE, is lined up in either a 1 technique (slightly between the Center and Guard, angled into the A gap) or a 0 technique (directly over the Center). Smith is the only set lineman; he is the "1" in 1-5-5. The other five (or six) men are the starting four linebackers, LaMarr Woodley, James Farrior, Laurence Timmons, and James Harrison, all fierce pass-rushers in their own right, as well as the other DE Brett Keisel. These players are walking around, settling for a second before moving again, showing blitz, backing off; they are never set and are always in a stand-up position.
Occasionally Keisel may be in the 3-point stance instead of Smith, and the Steelers will put Keyaron Fox, an inside linebacker (ILB) who gets frequent playing time, in Keisel's place, leaving them with 5 true linebackers. Troy Polamalu has also come down from his strong safety spot to get into the fray as well; Polamalu is a master at disguising what he is going to do, having the speed to recover and play a deep zone after taking two steps forward after the snap on a fake blitz.
The offense has no idea which player is going to come on a blitz from this formation; while defensive linemen are prone to dropping into coverage while a linebacker, corner, or safety blitzes from the other formations, it is demonstrated more so from the 1-5-5, as players appear as though they are not fixed to any position, gap, zone, or man. Here is one example from the Tennessee game week one:
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Harrison and Farrior crash through the strongside C and B gaps, respectively, while Aaron Smith stunts down the line of scrimmage, occupying the left guard and center as he slides down. Brett Keisel shoots the gap, while Laurence Timmons drops into a shallow zone as the defensive back (at the time it was Troy Polamalu) takes man coverage on the slot receiver. This play from the Titans game resulted in a James Farrior sack of Kerry Collins, the Steelers only sack of the game.
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Here's what the formation looks like, you know, with real people, instead of circles and numbers in Microsoft Paint. Smith is the down lineman, while Keisel (red circle) is standing up, Townsend (yellow circle) is shaded over the slot receiver (he eventually blitzes), and Carter (blue circle) has responsibility for the slot once Townsend blitzes. I wish I had a better play to demonstrate with, but this is one of Chicagos 2 TDs. Regardless, the formation is still in play. Let's look at a positive play for the Steelers, shall we?
This is a 3rd and 8 for Chicago, their first possession of the second half. The pre-snap looks like this:
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Harrison had been routinely getting pressure in the first half, and with Farrior (who also had been getting sufficient pressure) lined up inside Harrison and Smith and "Face Me" Ike lined up 6 inches from Hesters facemask, Cutler shifts the protection to the left. In this diagram, though Keisel is on the line, he is in a 2-point (standing) stance.
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The ball is snapped and Cutler 3-steps back and to his right, anticipating a blitz from his blindside. Accordingly, the running back slides to the left in pass protection, and the line blocks who comes - but uh oh! Harrison and Farrior have dropped, leaving Smith and Keisel (who blitzed) to get each get doubled. Meanwhile, Timmons crashes hard through the weak-side B gap and Woodley rushes the C and engages the RT; all the while Ike shades to the inside of Hester off the snap. Cutler hesitates to process this information for a split second, and the defense has achieved half it's purpose (confusion) and thus has gained the initiative.
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At this point the play is over; Cutler has rolled into the pressure, has 2 immediate and 1 reinforcement Steeler charging at his face, and does not have time to go through his other reads, let alone loft an accurate throw to the wide-open Hester over the blitz. The running back has realized too late what is occurring and cannot get back in time to get a piece of one of the blitzing Steelers. Cutler has one 'smart' option left...take the sack. Unfortunately for the Steelers, they don't get the sack, but they do get the Intentional Grounding call as Cutler throws it from Woodleys grasp to the space recently vacated by Hester.
The 1-5-5 defense, though awkward looking, is built upon creating mass confusion for not only Quarterbacks but Offensive Lines as well, as the offense does not know which player is blitzing and which is dropping into coverage. This confusion causes hesitation, which often times results in incorrect decisions by the Quarterback, whether that is a throw-away, sack, or interception. All of this is predicated on carefully setting up the offense and skillfully concealing the holes in the various zones on the field. With the ultimate camouflage off the field for another few weeks, it's up to Dick LeBeaus genius to re-deploy smoke and mirrors and keep the defense operating at a Championship level.
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thanks for the education
Bill Beeelichick proved that in America it’s okay to cheat, as long as you cheat your way to the top. – Eric Cartman
by Alba on Sep 22, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and your not a coach why
"Here-to-for called Crabass, from the combination of Crabtree and jackass" thank you WyoFan for that little piece of awsome
by WVPiratesfan on Sep 22, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha, I'm trying
I was going to help out with the high school football team in Marquette this fall but my class schedule didn’t permit that, sadly. I’m going for a degree in Education and want to teach high school…hopefully the coaching gig goes on from there!
by Romain El 82 on Sep 22, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
Thats about what I’m going to do except I want to coach baseball because thats the sport I played in High School
"Polamalu’s lineage can be traced through several roots. Chuck Norris mated with an Amazon Queen, and on the other side, Tony Hawk mated with Mother Nature.
The two children of these spawned and fused in a tantric love session to create Troy Polamalu. The mother however died as he tore through the birth canal with a spin move."
Mechem on the roots of Troy Polamalu
by WVPiratesfan on Sep 22, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Explanation on the D, but sooner or later ...
it comes down to who is going to beat their man. Scheme and disguise only gets you so far.
This D was great last year because our defenders won more one on one battles than they lost. With Deebo getting more attention this year, other players like Woodley, Timmons, A. Smith, Keisel and Big Snack have got to win their one-on-one battles.
I actually feel better this week knowing that Ty Carter is bothered by his thigh and might not play. That means either giving K. Ratliff or R. Mundy a start at SS. If Carter doesn’t suit up, then that means that Keenan Lewis would be active in his place. People forget that William Gay can also play safety as well, so the Steelers should be fine.
I really do like the individual pieces that this team has. Just waiting to see how all of this will fit together.
by datruth4life on Sep 22, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you really like the individual pieces on D?
Opposing teams are definitely scheming against us this year: 3- and 5-step drops are the norm so far, and we can expect the same from Cincy. Means our secondary has to step up, and Gay and Carter are definitely weak links so far. I’d like to see Townsend in there, and I would have preferred McFadden over Gay, but as it is, I think we’ll be biting our nails for the next couple weeks until a healthy Troy comes back. Overall though I think the secondary is ordinary compared to last year’s squad.
by sylvansteeler on Sep 22, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Towards the end of last year the secondary was exploited by both the titans and the cardinals. It takes the right gameplan and the right personnel.
Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL
by steelguy99 on Sep 22, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the other things you have to remember too
is Dick LeBeau’s defense is built to not give up the big play. So, we might get frustrated watching teams nickel and dime us down the field, but the longer they’re out there not scoring, the greater the opportunity there is for a turnover. On the flip side, the defense will get tired quicker…you have to take the good with the bad. Coach LeBeau will come up with something.
by Romain El 82 on Sep 22, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just realized that the term “nickel and dime” is doubly awesome.
Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL
by steelguy99 on Sep 22, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The idea being contain to short plays, and gamble on defensive big plays. two 4 yard plays and one stuff is a win, a sack or a big stuff or a broken up pass is when we win on a series.
The problem is right now we aren’t getting the big plays. no holding being called and teams scheming to exploit the short game is causing problems.
Hopefully we’ll get to see the next innovation of this defense soon, either that or people start making the big plays.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 22, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do like the pieces on this D & this team as a whole
When watching NFL games, you will see that no team has everything. Every team has weaknesses. It comes down to if a team can maximize its strengths and cover for its weaknesses. This Steelers secondary isn’t the best in the NFL, but it isn’t the worst either. A good to great pass rush helps make up for the fact Ike and Gay are good but not great corners. Palomula’s playmaking ability, speed and smarts also helps boost this secondary’s play.
I think this team has good depth, with Ratliff, Townsend, Mundy and the two rookies and I think that will come in to play this weekend. How far this team will go this year will probably depend upon the OL and the running game. Will both of them continue to improve like they did from Week 1 to Week 2, or will they be a reason for this team not going back to back. That’s the beauty of a football season. Each season, each team and each game has a personality of its own.
The good thing for this team is that it has a lot of young players who will get better as the season goes on – Ziggy, M. Wallace, Sweed, Mendy, Tank, A. Johnson, Mundy, the two rookie corners. So that means the team still has a lot of upside on both sides of the ball as it goes into the dog days of November and December. I still wish they would have kept R. Harris at DT, but that’s hay out of the barn now. Big game against the Bengals on Sunday.
by datruth4life on Sep 22, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tremendous Article
Thank you.
Given everything you wrote, what do you think of the decision to leave Carter one-on-one with the slot receiver in the red zone on the play that resulted in a TD?
On one hand, LeBeau seems to be challenging Carter to step up, and telling his defense that we’re not going to change what we do just because Troy is out.
On the other hand, well, we know what the result of the play was.
by Steelers in XLIV on Sep 22, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Ty Carter is a good player
but both of the TDs he got beat on, he was beat because the other man is more athletic/quicker. I don’t mind putting Carter one-up on a receiver if the WR is a littler slower, or if (like on the second touchdown) there is someone playing zone underneath (Farrior had a zone underneath Carters, but Cutler moved Farrior with his eyes and Farrior got there a step too late). Tomlins approach is “the standard of expectations does not change” and LeBeau’s defense is predicated on intelligent pressure and intelligent players; Tyrone, I think, will get better the longer he plays.
We will see though.
by Romain El 82 on Sep 22, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Carter's chances against cincy
I think that Knox guy was too quick and young for TC. But really OchoCinco doesnt have blistering speed, neither does Lavernaeus Coles. So I think his chances of holding the field are better.
Still if he blows another one get Mundy in there stat. Or anybody hell I dont care.
My money says Polamalu in a wheelchair could still play cover 2.
by Mechem on Sep 23, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getting crazy
Some colleges occasionally run a 0-6: usually there are two D linemen on the field but they don’t take a stance, which makes it even more confusing. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see this from the Steelers at least once before the season is out.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Sep 22, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whoops
It has been brought to my attention that the Steelers may have run an 0-6 front for one play against the Titans. I’m going to have to return this darn eight ball.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Sep 22, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t you audible to a run if facing this defense with anything less than, say, 10 yards to go?
by Steelers in XLIV on Sep 22, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry. Last post was meant as a response to the post on a 0-6 formation.
by Steelers in XLIV on Sep 22, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The steelers won’t set that formation up on 3rd and 8, I sincerely doubt.
Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL
by steelguy99 on Sep 22, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to toot my own horn/plug my stuff
but the Defensive Breakdown of the Chicago game found here (http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2009/9/21/1046504/steelers-bears-defensive-breakdown) will show you if they ran or not, and how the defenses fared. The more data I collect (games that are played) the better, as I can see how well the defense is doing.
by Romain El 82 on Sep 22, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The steelers don’t run 1-5-5 if that’s the case. The 2-4-5 maybe, but getting ten yards is tough.
Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL
by steelguy99 on Sep 22, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I should say not maybe, often. But still, 8 yards against 2 linemen and our LBs is not a gimme.
Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL
by steelguy99 on Sep 22, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the runs busted off
was a draw against one of these defenses, I can’t remember which. For my defensive review I did for the game some of the formations it was hard to classify some of the formations, as DBs were interwoven with the LBs and Keisel would sometimes walk around and then get in a 3-point right before the snap/as the ball was snapped. So yeah, running is a little easier, but the 2-4-5 and 1-5-5 is only employed in long-yardage situations.
I was going to mention this in my defensive review as well, but forgot: It appears as though the Steelers like the base 3-4 against some 3-wide sets. This, among other things, makes it harder for the offense to get a “cheap 100 yards” like Edgerrin James did in 2005 when the Colts were going undefeated.
by Romain El 82 on Sep 22, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Work
I was too lazy to do it on my own, but now I can finally win that argument I’ve been having with my brother. He didn’t believe me when I told him about the 1-5-5.
by 13thieves on Sep 22, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If I’m not mistaken, the 1-5-5 is the basis for a Steeler defense often called “11 angry men”. I think another team called their variant “the creep”.
by Varmint on Sep 22, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fabulous post!
I never played football, and I love it when posters take the time to explain things like this.
by LeBeau-a-Constrictor on Sep 22, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I always liked these forms in use
I always get a TD thrown on me when i play 1-5-5 in madden… but they work good in life
by Mechem on Sep 22, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I use this decently often and it always works out well for me.
What system do you have Madden for?
by Romain El 82 on Sep 22, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well its been a while
Had 08 and 09 for PS2, and 09 for Wii also. It was actually good on Wii just shitty graphics. Im too broke to buy a 360 or PS3, maybe now that the price came down.
I swear though that 1-5-5 always fucked me over somehow… I love the concept in practice, but in the game I’d get raped.
I always do really well with the 3-3-5 formation with PIttsburgh and the dime 3-2-6.
by Mechem on Sep 23, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah ok
I just got 2010 for the 360, and it works pretty well in the game.
by Romain El 82 on Sep 23, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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