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Steelers Drop Another Tight Game Late In 4th Quarter, Drop To 1-2

I told my girlfriend last night that I didn't think the Pittsburgh Steelers were going to win this afternoon in Cincinnati. Through the first quarter and a half of Sunday's game, I thought I was going to be proven wrong. Unfortunately, I wasn't. Give credit to the Bengals for keeping the ship afloat during a very rocky first half, then ratcheting up their game and executing tremendously in the 2nd half to catch up to the Steelers in the game's final seconds. My five quick thoughts about the game. First though, there's lots of people who will say the team needs to 'wake up' or 'get motivated' or 'forget about last season' or other phantom things that don't really address why the Steeler are losing close football games. Just remember how razor thin a line it is between winning and losing in this league. We're one or two plays short in consecutive weeks from winning. We could easily be 3-0. We could also be 0-3. Just trying to 'play Steelers football' isn't going to cut it. We're playing Steelers football - hard and competitive games each week. We need a little extra something to get us over the top in this hyper-competitive league -  a few breaks, the return of our best player, better execution in the red zone, etc etc.

To my initial five reflections...

Star-divide

  1. I always like to start with something positive, or at least try to, so I'll begin by saying I was mostly impressed again by the offense of the Steelers. They were balanced, good on 3rd down, protected Big Ben pretty well and eclipsed 350 yards of total offense (373) for the 2nd time in three weeks. The 2008 Steelers only accomplished that six times last season. It was also outstanding to see Willie Parker play much better football this week. Outside of his performance against San Diego in last year's playoffs, I thought he looked better than he had since Week 1 of the 2008 season when Pittsburgh whooped Houston to start the year. Parker finished with a shade under 100 yards (93 yards) on 25 carries. He looked like his burst to get to the outside was back and he also showed an uncharacteristically solid set of hands in the passing game. If he can play like this moving forward, our offense really has a good shot at gelling and playing at a high enough level to make another run at the playoffs and beyond.  This offense still needs to do a better job not leaving points out there on the field, but it's only a matter of time if you ask me until the scoreboard reflects how solidly they've been playing for most of this young season.

  2. Okay, one more positive note before getting to the bad - CONGRATULATIONS to Hines Ward for surpassing the 10,000 yard mark in his Hall of Fame worthy career. Did you see some of those names on the graphic of wide receivers to accumulate 10,000 receiving yards with one single team: Rod Smith, Marvin Harrison, Steve Largent - impressive stuff for Hines. Individual milestones probably mean very little to him during the course of the intense season - he'll look back on the accomplishment at some point, just not now I doubt. Anyway...his contributions are still very meaningful to this football team. He's not being paraded out there just to surpass milestones. He's averaging 6 catches and just about 80 receiving yards per game so far. What a gamer.

  3. Okay, on to the bad. It all begins and ends really with the defense at this point in the season for Pittsburgh. Remember what Tunch Ilkin said to us on Behind The Steel Curtain - the NFL changes dramatically every 4 weeks. That's because teams can individually change every four weeks. This defense is largely the same personnel as last season, so it may seem hard to comprehend why they're not nearly as dominant through three games as they were most all of last season. Obviously the loss of Troy Polamalu is huge. We'll be an entirely different defense when he returns from injury. What is troubling though is the lack of pressure being generated by the Steelers pass rushers and the blitz packages being implemented. And the lack of turnovers is also disconcerting.  There's individuals who could play better, for sure. Has there been a Deshea Townsend sighting this year? William Gay continues to be just decent as he gets more experience - there's some good, but plenty of room for improvement too. Anyway, this is the storyline for the 2009 Steelers moving forward: can the defense be better than they've been while Troy is out as the offense continues to work at manufacturing more points out of the success they're having on offense.

  4.  Remember guys and gals that this is just Week 3. Last year on this date we were throttled by Philadelphia and looked bad enough that there was no conceivable way to think about advancing to the Super Bowl. The team improved and persevered through the downs. This 2009 team will have every opportunity to get itself back on track moving forward. They stand 2 games behind the Ravens in the AFC North through just two weeks, but remember that Baltimore has played two early cupcakes whereas the Steelers have yet to see the Browns (who look just awful) or teams like Kansas City or Detroit. Let's see where things stand in three weeks after Baltimore (who looks simply outstanding thus far) travels to New England and Minnesota. Pittsburgh meanwhile has three of its next four at Heinz Field, beginning next weekend against San Diego at Heinz Field. They then travel to Detroit (huzzah to them for winning for the first time since December of 2007), then host Cleveland and Minnesota before their BYE Week. The NFL changes every four weeks - let's see where things stand after that slate of games, then look forward to that BYE Week to get rested up for the stretch run in the season's second half.  Something tells me the attitude of the fanbase will be a lot different after this next month, and certainly I think a 4-3 or 5-2 record is well within the realm of possibility.

  5. Stats of the game: 23 of the final 30 plays were run by Cincinnati's offense. The defense just couldn't make a play late in the game for the second week in a row. Give LOTS of credit to Carson Palmer and the Bengals offense though. Like the Bears did last week, the Bengals executed exquisitely when it really counted in crunch time. Second stat of the game: 3 of 3 on 4th down by the Bengals. All of them in the 2nd half and two of them in the game's final drive. That's one way to mask being just 3 of 12 on 3rd downs and not managing a single positive play really for the entire 1st quarter.

Much more from me on this one and about how the Steelers 2009 season is trending through three exciting and largely disappointing weeks.

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Hate to disagree

But, IMO, the offense is just as much to blame for this loss as the defense. I don’t think it’s accurate to say that it begins and ends with the defense. True, the defense is not the same as last year, but I really don’t think it’s fair to single out William Gay. The front 7 is not getting the pass rush that they got last year. What do we have so far, 3 sacks in 3 games? Yes, blame the defense for blowing an 11 point lead, but blame the offense for dropping a TD pass that was already made (Sweed), blame them for giving up a pick-6 (Holmes not adjusting his route like he was supposed to), blame them for only being up 13-0 when they should have been up 17-0 or 21-0.

I just think there are tons of blame to go around. It’s fine that the offense is gaining yards in chunks, and it’s great that the OL finally looks like an NFL caliber OL, but to leave that many points on the field is in excusable. And, with about 12 minutes left, it would have been nice of the offense to get that last drive to milk the clock and not give Carson Palmer the opportunity to mount an Elway-esque comeback.

Anyway, just venting a little, but nothing irritates me more than losing a game that you should have had put away by halftime. And, the Steelers dominated this game to that extent in the first half (until Holmes forgot he was on the sideline and blew that late drive, giving them a chance to score before the half).

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Sep 27, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

in excusable should be inexcusable

got in a hurry there.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Sep 27, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true that

Agree with all your points Wolfie.

Particularly about offense not delivering the TKO in the 1st half when they had the chance. They didn’t though, but they still responded in the 2nd half when the Bengals had the Steelers stumbling. That long TD drive was gorgeous. The defense just got owned for the rest of the game.

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by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Sep 27, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That long TD drive was gorgeous

But where was that play the rest of the game? After that drive, the defense forced a long FG, which Cincy missed. The offense didn’t take advantage of that. They just went 3 and out, and gave it right back. Then after the first TD, the offense gained one first down then seemed to think there was 2 minutes left, rather than 5. True, the defense shares part of the blame, but if your give up a TD in the 4th quarter, your offense needs to respond. Neither the defense nor the offense responded in the 4th quarter.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Sep 27, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope...

The reason we lost is because we didn’t get the preferential officiating we’re used to, it was a terrible handicap… we had to play a fair game against another team, which is hard…

by Emerson76 on Sep 28, 2009 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fire tomlin, wooo0000!!!

Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL

by steelguy99 on Sep 27, 2009 9:10 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 27, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Post Game Breakdown!

I agree with virtually everything you have said. It is tough enough to win in this league week in and out, but when you have the defending champs X on your back we need to bring it every second of everygame.
This team is having trouble finishing. Many Steelers fans are already posting the negativity and pointing fingers. This is on the TEAM. We havn’t closed out games particularly well. Pittsburgh has been outscored 24-0 in the 4th quarter the last two weeks. Whoaa!!!
Also, I am gave him a pass last week but I am starting to worry about our kicker. He missed another one although it was long and we didn’t have the confidence in him at the end of the second half. It is easy to say we left another 6 points out there because of missed field goal opportunities. I like the agrressive nature at the end of the half but I also would have like 16-0 as opposed to 13-3!

by TheCommish on Sep 27, 2009 9:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bensons TD run

i am just curious. I am 36 years old and have been watching football since I was about 4. I even played football for a while in my school days, have a friend who played in college and with the Bengals and Vikings. Apparently through all of this I still do not understand the rules. I have seen the replay of Cedric Bensons TD run nearly 100 times. I am stilling trying to find a reason that there was no holding on the left guard on that play. Clearly Farrior was reaching to make the tackle when the gaping hole opened up because the O lineman simply wrapped farrior up and tackled him as if Farrior was the ball carrier. If that is not an offensive holding then why even have a rule against offensive holding? I am completely confused, can anyone help me??

by steelersrule13 on Sep 27, 2009 9:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You can call holding on every play

If the offensive players has a grasp of the players jersey inside of the defensive players shoulders a hold will not be called. If the player grabs and takes down while leveraging himself outside the shoulder pad it is called. I belive on the play you are referrig to Farrior was taken down with the offensive players hands inside the numbers.

by TheCommish on Sep 27, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cleared up but clearly not the case

I understand the idea of holding on every play and the helps a little, however not the case on that play. His hands are clearly outside the numbers as he leveraged them to turn Farrior sideways as he took him down. As he is dragged to the ground clearly both of the O linemans hands are between the 1 on his back and the 1 and the 5 on the front of his jersey. I could never ever interpret that as being between inside the numbers. Again if thats not holding just drop the rule completely and let them use their hands however they want.

by steelersrule13 on Sep 27, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t complain about little individual calls after a loss. It’s unseemly.

by worldtrip on Sep 27, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

UGH!!

THAT DAVID GARRARD PLAY IN THE PLAYOFFS A COUPLE YEARS AGO! TOTALLY HOLDING!!! CMON!

by steelersfan86 on Sep 28, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keeping it real world.

Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL

by steelguy99 on Sep 28, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wahhh Wahhh Wahhh Wahhh Wahhh

Want some cheese to go with that whine??/ Wahhhhh Wahhhhh Wahhhhh… you lose.

by Tommyboy45 on Sep 28, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We'll let you have your fun Chris Farley

Since you finally got to take the Orange and Black bag off your head. You finally have the nerve to make an account to post anything. Typical. We won’t see you after you do your normal fade to black.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Sep 28, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not Holding...Farrior's Fault

James Farrior is week…too much of a pussy when we need him. Couldn’t get off that block; could only swipe at Leonard’s feet on 4th and 10, allowing him to lunge for the first; and used his skill and smarts to drop 7 yards deep in the endzone on the final TD so he could lunge forward and pat the receiver on the butt after his game winning TD. Nice job Farrior :( BTW, Tomlin, the defense was gassed…good use of you TO but the NFL would only let you have a ;#0 TO. Toss out that red flag, go over and say something incoherent to the ref, then ask for a check of the spot…3 minutes later you’d be charged with a TO and have a fresh defense. Live and learn. FYI, Bill Cowher only lost one time after he had an 11 point lead in over 100 games… I figure you’ve got 80+ to go before you blow another one Tomlin.

by steelerwheeler on Sep 28, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It also took Cowher 14 years to win that SB

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Sep 28, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think it was an 11+ point lead

by t1mmy10 on Sep 28, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only if...

The Refs only call holding against us if we’re up by 7 or 8, if we’re not, it’s called against the other team. Holding is a basic tactic, done on every play.

by Emerson76 on Sep 28, 2009 5:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to say this, IMO I think that BB is more risponsible for this loss than BA, b/c BB plays great between t 20´s, but fails inside t red zone, then if BA sends a play that is not a short pass, BB must select another dink, dunk play, in this way We maybe cannot beeing stopped. What do We do, play great between t 20’s & in this game We don´t even use the no-hurddle ofense, in that way I find that even when they are sending U plays, U cannot accept those when U see that those are against your rythm, then U (BB) just don´t let those points slip away of your reach. Mostly when from the first game played, timming was BB best asset. When U have a D on their toes then U, can even simply "spread" t OL, and then U can run, and We don´t apply that. And BB even at their first season was trying to take advantage of t slightest movement, WTF happend with that? I don´t know, IMHO.

O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.

by YeOldeMexFan on Sep 27, 2009 9:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The offense does deserve some blame

This game should’ve never come down to that last drive. We should have scored at least 28 points on them. If we really want to be an “elite” team we have to start finishing drives. Yeah the Bengals defense has gotten better, but yet we were imposing our will on them for 2 and half quarters.

Our pass rush has to start getting there. Not just sacks, but pressure period. Palmer had a good pocket for the majority of the game. It may be time to see more of Ziggy in there on 3rd downs.

by StoneColdSteel on Sep 27, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes Sir, and also was Harrison w Flu, then We just don´t have enough push over

 their QB´s in t front line, and that piece of second is making look our D very weak, w/o acces to game turning sacks or pressuring t QB´s or RB, or generating mistakes or at least making t QB think a little when they choose to pass.

O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.

by YeOldeMexFan on Sep 27, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Turn Over Kharma

Steelers 2 TOs
Opponents 6 TOs
Nuff said

by bigmaq on Sep 27, 2009 9:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Post Blitzburgh!

Thanks for putting those thoughts down so well. I agree with it completely. Looking forward to next week…

Erik

by ekl on Sep 27, 2009 9:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh they are just killin' me!

Where to begin! Hines going over 10K is just fantastic! Awesome achievement for an awesome individual who never plays like an individual…always for the team. Couldn’t be happier for him! This game hurt…bad. I’m as disappointed in Sweed as I can be. He reminds me of Plax. Catch 1 drop 10. I know it’s only week 3 and there’s a lot of season and much needed time-to-gel ahead but these missed opportunities really are putting us behind the 8 ball in a tough conference. The Ravens look awesome. We have some serious work ahead of us.

by 1BlkGldFan on Sep 27, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sweed #4 receiver?

I personally am not sold on Sweed, and he better get it together because I am quickly falling in love with Mike Wallace. Just seems like he has catches in big siutations, one of those players who seems to have a nose for the ball when those types of plays are needed.

by steelersrule13 on Sep 27, 2009 9:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The real problem with Mr. Limas Sweed is that if He is so concentrated as He was

the 1º week then BB colud obligue in some way to put the opposite D w/o doubt in their heels, Why? b/c they are forced to send their best DB against one of Our WR, Tone or Hines or Wallace, and then put their 2º DB against Hines or Wallace or Sweed, then the 3º, at least they are going to choose their killer venom and that is the whole issue. That is the real reason b/c Tomlin is waiting for Sweed to develop, but as Sweed must Know He´s not as passive as Sweed may think, so or Limas Sweed WAKES UP OR ELSE. IMO.

O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.

by YeOldeMexFan on Sep 27, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love Wallace

But if he doesn’t step out of bounds in his long catch, we win the game. Today as last week game was full of mental errors by so many players; it is not even funny any more.

by mikemex on Sep 27, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

14

Said It Last Year After The SD TD Drop (and before the one in Balt)
Sweed = BUST
Dress McDonald and let Sweed stand on the sidelines in his sweats. How many more dropped TDs before the coaching staff gets their heads out of their a**?

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Sep 28, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

The real problem receiver right now is Holmes. Per my other post

Over the past two weeks:

Sweed has had 2 passes thrown his way and caught 1
Holmes has had 19 passes thrown his way and caught 6
both dropped easy TD’s. Holmes blew a route that led to a pick-six.

I am not sold on Sweed, but the guy has had about 10 passes thrown his way in his entire career. Has he made a mess of them. Yes. But, let’s not throw the guy under the bus, just yet. I thought the Ron Cook article from the PG was disgraceful and belonged in a Cleveland newspaper or as a post on a fansite. These guys have barely played. I still think it’s very early to get rid of them.

It’s hard to find someone who has the skill set he has. We might be needing him in the not too distant future if Ward retires and Holmes wants bigger money than we can pay him.

by SteelerBuddha on Sep 29, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Playing not to lose

I don’t understand when there was 5-6 minutes left why not go to the huddle get down there and score some points. The Bengals could not stop the passing game. When Cincy got the ball back the defense looked tired. Polamalu can’t get back quick enough. Two games behind the Ravens already. Not the start the Steelers needed.

by DefMode66 on Sep 27, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

exactly what i said after the game

we were up by 11 or whatever with 14 minutes left and we started trying to milk the freaking clock. The bengals couldn’t do a thing to stop the passing game and we just abandoned it. Forced the Steelers to punt and you know the rest.

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-Eric Nadel, 5/4/09

by Mizzou12 on Sep 28, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweed's Falling Star

First point is that, if our receivers held on anywhere near as well as their O-line, the game would have been in the bag.

Limas Sweed has to be running out of opportunities to show some potential. I expect he will bypass #4 on the depth chart on his way to #5.

Santonio had some nice catches but some horrible miscues, too. It looked like he ran the wrong route, leading to the interception. Wherever the disconnect came, it was an unacceptable mistake for these two pros.

Does anyone really believe the loss of Troy is not significant. I saw chatter about this on the Post Gazette site. It was easy to see in both losses. Prolific passers require more coverage. Without Troy, linebackers have to drop into coverage more, which reduces the pressure and leads to fewer sacks. That said, the pressure on Palmer was intense. He delivered.

by mantho on Sep 27, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Remember when

We did those rank the top 10 most valuable Steelers? And I put Troy at #1 and a bunch of people called me crazy? Want to change your mind now? Troy is the king of our defense, and it is just NOT the same without him. His speed and smarts are just unparalleled on our roster. With him in the game, neither Chicago or Cinci makes these comeback drives, but that’s neither here nor there I guess.

Our two biggest problems in my book are:
1) Turnovers. Can we please get one? We have 0 turnovers in the two losses. Where are our playmakers? I know Troy is out, but someone else needs to make a friggin’ play. It seems like I spend more time yelling “strip the ball” than any Steeler actually does doing just that. If you have 3 guys around a ball carrier, just give the ball a rip, he isn’t going anywhere.
2) Leaving points on the board. It was said before, but we need more 7s and less reasons to yell at Reed for missing “automatic” 52 yarders.

Bad finish, and another long shitty week.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Sep 27, 2009 10:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you

I never bought that line about expecting no drop-off from the next man in line. That’s pure coachspeak. I wouldn’t put him 1, but he’s a close 2nd behind BB.

13 years and no playoff wins for the Dallas Cowboys... SWEET!

by idiscgolftexas on Sep 27, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you saying that if we had Troy but not Ben these last two games, you think we would have won? You think we would have even come this close to winning those two games? Ben is simply the most important player on the team. If you have a team where the quarterback isn’t the clear number one, other than Minnesota, you probably don’t have that good of a team.

by worldtrip on Sep 27, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BB is 1, Troy a close 2nd

13 years and no playoff wins for the Dallas Cowboys... SWEET!

by idiscgolftexas on Sep 27, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you cannot stop the other team’s offense, it does not really matter what your QB can or cannot do. You cannot win simply because you have a great QB. Ben was in both of these games and we lost (not saying it was his fault), Troy was not.

This team’s staple has always been defense. That is why our best defensive player gets my #1 spot.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Sep 27, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good thing I'm not a coach

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by Johnny_S on Sep 27, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Serious?

This team’s staple is officiating preferentially. Without it we will always lose.

by Emerson76 on Sep 28, 2009 5:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree with you

just looked at what happened to the Saints last year, #1 offense, yards and scoring with probably the best qb last year but ended up not making the playoffs because their defense wasn’t close to decent, compared with the Steelers last year which had a so so offense, but with a great defense won it all.

by waldoshot on Oct 16, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WRs take the blame for both losses

With troy out, you need the rest of the team to step up. Sweed and Holmes lost this game for us today, and as far as I’m concerned, you can’t trust Sweed any longer. He’s like a pitcher who has lost the plate, and the Steelers can’t keep giving him these chances. Mike Wallace is pretty clearly 3rd reciever now and that is good. I think he’s already better than Nate Washington ever was.

13 years and no playoff wins for the Dallas Cowboys... SWEET!

by idiscgolftexas on Sep 27, 2009 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

At this point Sweed is battling for the 4th spot over McDonald. How are your hands Shuan?

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Sep 27, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 about Wallace being better than Nate ever was

Much much tougher in traffic. Never nervous when ball’s heading his way.

He could be a bit better knowing where he is on the field after the catch. Last week he didn’t fight for 1st down yardage, this week he drifted out of bounds on that gorgeous deep pass (maybe nothing he could do there though at full speed).

Anyway, I love what we are seeing out of this rook.

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by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Sep 27, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He could very well be Holmes replacement in two years

13 years and no playoff wins for the Dallas Cowboys... SWEET!

by idiscgolftexas on Sep 27, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true true that

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by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Sep 27, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe next year

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Sep 28, 2009 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Word, Mike Wallace is an absolute stud.

Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL

by steelguy99 on Sep 28, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Completely

get’s rid of that old story about receivers needing two years in the league to develop. Receivers need 4.3 speed and great hands. If you have that – everything else is gravy.

by SteelerBuddha on Sep 29, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll tell you this

so far it’s been an exciting and entertaining season.

by worldtrip on Sep 27, 2009 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah, i’d hate to have some boring, lame, “3-0” season… seriously though I completely agree – super exciting games all three of them, just a pity we’ve come a little short the last two…

by acrollet on Sep 27, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

yup, will continue to be so I bet. Funny in the open thread, one dude said ‘last year everything was so pretty and easy and this year everything is so painful.’ Paraphrasing, but so comically opposite. Last year was a trainwreck that happened to work out. Total war of attrition. This year we’re playing much more clean football, just coming up short due to other teams playing well ad us making some mistakes at inopportune times.

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by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Sep 27, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not so happy about my fetal position to game ratio, though.

Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL

by steelguy99 on Sep 28, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

Or my having-to-warn-my-loved-ones-to-stay-out-of-arm’s-reach to game ratio.

by Weirtonite on Sep 28, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed on #3

we won a lot of close games last year – the ball bounces the other way just once, and those are close losses instead… hopefully the coaches will learn never to take the foot off the gas

by acrollet on Sep 27, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

#5

Could not have said it better. That was god awful. I turned to my friend before that play and I said “dink and dunk, pass underneath and they get the first.” Its terrible that our defense is that predictable to let that crap go. Time for Dick to create some way to stop it.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Sep 27, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1. The DL is probably OK. They are old, but they haven’t been a top three or four unit for a few years in my opinion.
2. Agreed on settling for FGs
3. Holmes was awful today, but you are going to get up and down with him. Dammit man, you have to know you are the hot route on that pick-six!
4. Two plays. Holmes TD drop against Chicago, and Sweed TD drop today. Both plays are game winners.
5. It shouldn’t, but I am more upset about the TD throw. Palmer didn’t have to throw over any defenders. Steelers just gave him the front 3rd of the end zone.
6. BB is a stud. the O-line is playing better, but quite simply, our recievers have failed us the last two games
7. Because they believed they could move on Cincy all day long. Just make sure you get points. Against Chicago, with the poor weather, they probably thought points would be at a premium

13 years and no playoff wins for the Dallas Cowboys... SWEET!

by idiscgolftexas on Sep 27, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+100

On #1 – this is definitely worth considering. Pass rush has been nonexistant from Keisel and Smith. Snack is the only one getting pressure and we can’t rely on him to be that guy up front.

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by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Sep 27, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

on #1 I would disagee, it never really was the D line that put pressure on the QB or made the big plays

I think it is more on Deboo and Woods. Where has their pressure been? With Troy out, LeBeau needs to realize that we cannot rely on our Secondary to give us coverage sacks. Plus, I think teams are scheming more for our OLB blitzes.

LeBeau has to change things up. I want to see more pressure on the QB from other spots. I can’t remember one time that Carter has blitzed. Where is the creativity? Maybe LeBeau is getting old? Ok I know I am about to get slaughtered for that comment.

by Matt Daddy on Sep 27, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On #7

I thought part of the idea there was to give Reed a chippy to get him back on the board after last week’s misses in Chicago. Had no problem with that call.

by Steelers in XLIV on Sep 28, 2009 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The offense was even worse than the D.

I count about 22 points that the offense either left on the field or handed to the Bengals in this game. And you want to blame the D??

by Billy52 on Sep 27, 2009 10:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

its too easy t point the finger at the offense

That’s not really where the problem has been between winning and losing. Have to get critical stops late in games in this league. Phil Simms said it – SO hard to dominate for 60 minutes in this league. Gotta get those stops late. We did it last year. Haven’t this year. Offense has to be better, NO doubt about that. But we cant be a SB contender without much, much better play on D. We CAN however contend for SBs with play like this from the offense.

Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)

by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Sep 27, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree

you can point the finger at the coaches, the offense, and the defense but the only group that didn’t play up to expectations is the defense. if you’d tell me before the game that the steelers would be up by 2 scores for most of it and the bengals would have to score 20+ points to win i say i like my chances.

this stat sums it up: in the past 3 games the steelers D is only 1 for 6 in stopping teams drives at the end of the half or the game. 5 times they let the other team get at least a field goal. with a stat like that you’d think a lot of the teams are starting in pittsburgh territory but the closest they’ve been is their own 35 yardline. that not saying much about a supposedly championship caliber defense missing only one person.

by t1mmy10 on Sep 27, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you guys are saying the same

I’m sorry about sneaking in on your forum but, after being in your situation time and time again, you fans are saying the same thing that we say every time we loose. We love are Bengals and always try to find the reason why we lost. However, I figured this out. You can dissect every game but the result is still the same. The best team won today. You talk that receivers drop balls, no run game or the O-line didn’t do their job. Whatever the case is, the better team won. Remember this happens to us a lot. Hopefully we have turned the corner and we will see you guys again in your home!!!!

by WHYUS!! on Sep 27, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't give me the best team won BS.

So Detroit is better than Washington? Were the Broncos better than you in week one? It’s “any given sunday” in the NFL. Spare me with you are better than us. If you say that, then why even talk about the game.

Point is you won the game, enjoy it. It doesnt mean anything other than you won the game. You are still the Bengals, and that is punishment enough.Enjoy your first home win against us in nine years, and enjoy your 7-9 season.

13 years and no playoff wins for the Dallas Cowboys... SWEET!

by idiscgolftexas on Sep 27, 2009 11:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the saying "any given sunday" should really be "any given sunday one team can be better than the other"

maybe 99 days outta 100 the loser would be the better team but it only matters what happens on that day. the bengals were the better team today because they finished on the big plays and we didnt.

but it is really frustrating because we out played the bengals 3 outta the 4 quarters and we showed ourselves to be the more talented team. AND this is the 2nd week in a row it happened.

by t1mmy10 on Sep 27, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Face facts

Our window is closed. The Bengals were superior to us physically and mentally, as most teams are, we need ball sucking officials in order to survive, without preferential calls, the Steelers are toast. WE NEED THE REFS TO SHOW UP!

by Emerson76 on Sep 28, 2009 5:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeaaaaa!!!!

Detroit was better than Washington TODAY. I am going to enjoy the win, we earned it today, and you are going to dwell on your lost. SORRY but the better team won and you need to face it. I’m not going to say that we will beat you again but I hope so. When the teams meet again may the best team win. For now I’m going to bask in the glory and when your team is 6-and 10 you can dwell on this lost again!!!

by WHYUS!! on Sep 27, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plenty of blame to go around

1. Poor coaching decisions- 4th and goal early in the game, you have to GO FOR IT… We did it last week and Ben rolled out and it worked!!!!! Why not this week? Poor offensive play calling on the last possession in the fourth quarter- 2 TE sets and running up the gut. Are you serious? The whole football world knew we were going to run. The offense went super conservative and took no time off the clock….
2. 2nd year players- Mendenhall is officially in Tomlin’s doghouse and he said as much in his post game press conference… Limas Sweed Catch the damn ball already!!!! You are KILLING US with your incompetence.
3. Poor red zone offense….. TD’s are needed not FG’s
4. Defense can’t get off the field in the fourth quarter….. We have to start closing out games!!!!! Also not producing any turnovers…..

by Dr Del on Sep 27, 2009 11:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And yes Mendenhall should help to carry t offensive load.

O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.

by YeOldeMexFan on Sep 28, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just curious

Why do you always type a “t” instead of spelling out the word “the”? It makes you posts hard to read.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Sep 28, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point not brought up- poor clock management last offensive drive

LOTS OF GREAT POINTS BY EVERYONE but I think that a problem was the offensive strategy at the end.

The team gets the ball back up 5 with 9 minutes left. The team lets the play-clock run down pretty far on several plays. The Steelers ran 7 plays including the punt and let 4:00 run off the clock.

I didn’t agree with this strategy during the game. That drive seemed to emphasize running the clock down as opposed to getting points.

If this was the 1990s then possibly the move is to try and kill the clock. If it was the Jerome and Barry Foster years then yes, you can try and win games by rolling the clock down. More importantly if you had the Steelers secondary during that time then yes bank on that D keeping an opponent from scoring a TD.

With our current personnel (Great QB and no Troy) the better strategy when we got the ball back is to throw the ball.

I really think that teams in this era in the NFL shouldn’t try and burn the clock unless

1- up by more than 2 scores with less than 9 minutes
2- with a lead under 2 minutes.

The team going 3 and out with 2 incomplete passes would have meant that Cincy. gets the ball back with say 7:30. When they score we get the ball back with 2-3 minutes or so.

Right now I think the Steelers need to think like they have the 1980 Chargers as opposed to the 1992 Steelers

by Yellowhorse on Sep 27, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes teams struggle with their identity

The defense is a step or two behind last year. Without Troy its like three or four steps behind.

I really think the team needs to be thinking that it needs as many possessions as possible right now.

by Yellowhorse on Sep 27, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good analysis about time management

Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)

by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Sep 27, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Xcuse t french.

O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.

by YeOldeMexFan on Sep 27, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That is not Arians decision thats the head Coach

And not to blitz and bring in only four the last two drives is also a head Coach desicion.
Bad game for our HEAD COACH.

by mikemex on Sep 27, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like this
hey stand 2 games behind the Ravens in the AFC North through just two weeks, but remember that Baltimore has played two early cupcakes whereas the Steelers have yet to see the Browns (who look just awful) or teams like Kansas City or Detroit. Let’s see where things stand in three weeks after Baltimore (who looks simply outstanding thus far) travels to New England and Minnesota.

Coming from a team that has barely beaten a now 0-3 Titans team, lost to an Urlacherless, already all around weak Bears team and lost to the Bungholes. But the teams you lost to must be good, because they beat the best team to ever play. Keep it up fellas.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 28, 2009 12:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Respect though Blitz for the last part of the last sentence.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 28, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha

good try trying to catch me being overly homerific.

Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)

by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Sep 28, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea, you aren't

But many others in Steeler Nation are.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 28, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ravens look pretty scary

It will be interesting to see if these teams have slugfests again or if the games this year are more high scoring affairs.

Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)

by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Sep 28, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing to be overly excited about right now. The steelers play very good football, whatever you may say, but they also play losing football. They are 1-2. You are what your record says you are, and right now the steelers aren’t going anywhere fast.

The ravens beat up two awful teams. The steelers probably would have won and made them nailbiters (okay, KC was closer than it should have been). The ravens also beat the chargers. The ravens aren’t afraid to do what is necessary to win. You guys look great right now. I haven’t seen anything that makes me think the steelers won’t be able to beat you (or vice versa). At this rate though, it wouldn’t matter.

Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL

by steelguy99 on Sep 28, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't hear you... LALALALALALALA

We’re the best because we’re in the weakest division! That and we’re the darlings of the NFL.

by Emerson76 on Sep 28, 2009 5:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weakest division?

I disagree very much. The two best defenses in the NFL are in this division and the Bengals have had an offense for the last 6-7 years that could explode on you at any time.

This is far from a weak division. Just don’t even consider the Browns.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 28, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean

You are 3-0. Respect. But you are 3-0 against 2-7.

As I said, I won’t argue that we are better than you. I am just telling you not to get your head to far up your butt before you play some real playoff contenders that you say some stuff that might regret later in the year. That is all I am saying.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Sep 28, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking about this last night:

Ravens are 3-0 against 2-7.
Steelers are 1-2 against 4-5.

It’s a small sample size, firstly, and secondly you have to take out the factor of what our teams do to the others. The steelers improved the record of everyone they faced, and the ravens knocked it down. Taking out our effects on the record, the steelers played teams that were:

Steelers are 1-2 against 2-4
Ravens are 3-0 against 2-4

Just saying.

Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL

by steelguy99 on Sep 28, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'd argue it has lil to do with who we played against and more to do with who we still have to play

the chargers are the only good team they’ve played as of now. i’m not taking anything away from what the ravens have done thus far and they certainly have been playing better than us. but look at the good teams we have to still have to play compared to the list they have to still play

Steelers: chargers, packers, vikings, both ravens games, miami (?)
Ravens: bears, packers, vikings, both steelers games, at cinncy (?), colts, pats

they’ve been beating teams while we haven’t, but they certainly have a few more harder teams left than we do.

by t1mmy10 on Sep 28, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still

Rank these 6 teams honestly…KC, SD, Clev, Tenn, Chi, Cinci. Baltimore beat the crap out of the worst of those 6. What does that really even mean? And as far as 0-3 teams go, the Titans are clearly the best and have just had bad luck like ourselves.

Again, I was not trying to compare the Steelers to the Ravens, just stating that I don’t think they have proven themselves yet as this all-world team that everyone is making them out to be.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Sep 28, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*the 2 worst of those 6

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Sep 28, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are what their records say they are.

Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL

by steelguy99 on Sep 28, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flacco putting up 342 yards on what was the 7th best pass defense in the league so far this year is not bad. They were also fairly good against the pass last year. But hey, our offense is not that great. No worries. Neither is the Colts and Saints.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 28, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree with what you’ve been saying so far, but saying things about ranks of defense or offense after 3 weeks is pretty pointless. for example, the broncos have the “best” defense defense in the league right now. maybe they do have a great defense, maybe they dont but you can’t tell after only 3 games.

enjoy your 3-0 record, not because i think we’ll beat you in the future (i hope but no guarantees) but becuz you deserve it. just remember the record that matters most is the one after 16 games have been played

by t1mmy10 on Sep 28, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am aware. But it is certainly nice to be sitting where we are now, and everyone here would be enjoying it just as much as I am and probably be even more of a homer than I am at the moment.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 28, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i definitely agree with that also.

for example, i find it very funny that ppl continue to complain about our running game when parker was 7 yards short of 100 yard game (he had 25 carries). granted we couldnt pound the ball down cincy’s throat and get 4+ yards a carry in the 4th when they knew we’d run the ball so there still is more to be desired. but we’d dont have a HOF running back anymore either.

by t1mmy10 on Sep 28, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There was not too much to complain about

But he got his yards on 3.3 yards per carry, or around that. Not the worst, but not the greatest. I think Tomlin and Areian are making a huge mistake and not giving Mendenhall more carries.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 28, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

"We're only going to score 17 points?!" - Tom Brady

by iLL on Sep 28, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lose to 2 of these 6

And with one of those teams not being Baltimore, says a lot about the team that lost.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 28, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When we beat New England, do we get credit? Or will you come up with some BS excuse that they are not that good.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 28, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m with you.

Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL

by steelguy99 on Sep 28, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What excuse have I come up with that was bad? Would you like to argue with me that KC or Cleveland is a good football team? Would you like to argue with me that SD actually has a good pass defense? Any of these arguments I am willing to have and here why you think they are BS.

You still fail to see what I am saying, despite me repeatedly saying it. I am not saying you are a bad football team or that we are better than you. I am just saying your offense is not as great as everyone is heralding it to be, since you haven’t played a team that can stop a good team.

And sure, I’ll give them some more credit if they put up those kind of numbers against NE and even more if you follow it up with similar performances against Cinci and Minnesota.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Sep 28, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am just saying your offense is not as great as everyone is heralding it to be, since you haven’t played a team that can stop a good team.

Now this I wholeheartedly agree with.

Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL

by steelguy99 on Sep 28, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Steelers are

another Jeff Reed FG Miss away from possibly being 0-3. I didn’t know 1 player on defense could impact a team so much but if the Steelers aren’t having a “superbowl hangover” again, I don’t know what to call it. The Ravens are playing the best football in the AFC North, probably the NFL right now.

"We're only going to score 17 points?!" - Tom Brady

by iLL on Sep 28, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reed is a scrub and is taking his anger out on a paper towel dispenser in Sheetz as we speak.. Maybe he should dye his hair gay blonde again.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 28, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See

It is bullshit to say that our offense is not that great just because of who we have played. Can you honestly sit there and say that putting up 500 total yards of offense with balanced run and pass is not impressive. Sure, the teams we have played may be a little weaker than most, but it is not our fault. We are doing what we are supposed to be doing.

So, in light of your reasoning, what have you SEEN FROM THE RAVENS that makes you think our offense is not that great. Please, I am curious. Run game? Passing game? O-Line? Why have the RAVENS shown you that we are not that great.

This is the NFL and these are professional athletes, the best athletes in the world. Putting up 30+ points in 3 straight games is not often heard of in this league, regardless of who you play.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 28, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree with you MaLor. In this league you are what you do on the field and so far the Ravens offense is outstanding.

by steeler.lifer on Sep 28, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you sir

I just find it absolutely ridiculous for someone to make that statement about our offense because of who we have played. So what if we have played them, we are absolutely destroying those teams. I just would like to hear from Johnny what he has seen from THE RAVENS that makes him think our offense is not that great.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 28, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, the point is that the Ravens haven’t played against very good defenses, and that’s a fair point if you’re looking at the big picture. Leagues will adjust to the Ravens and better teams will slow them down, so I think you have to keep an open mind about the possibility the Ravens offense based on their talent (rather than their performance to date) is not elite.

by steeler.lifer on Sep 28, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1
very sad that we’re not getting it done, but true

by Weirtonite on Sep 28, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, can’t buy the “regardless of who we play”. If you guys consistently put up 30+ points, then I will definitely be bowing down and apologizing. It’s easy to pass a lot when your O-line is dominating a defense, , it’s easy to run a lot, and the D-lines on KC and CLE (though they do have god-man shaunny) don’t exactly scare me…or on SD lately.

I always look on the negative side malor and I don’t ride bandwagons. I’m not going to insult your offense but I’m not going to praise it. If I’m going to insult an offense, it will probably be against the one that scored 10 against a team in regulation that went on to allow 34 and 24.

Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL

by steelguy99 on Sep 28, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough sir.

I am just waiting on Johnny_S to please tell me what he has seen from the Ravens offense that makes him think it is not as great as it has been playing rather than saying it is only because of the teams we played.

Guess the Colts and Pats over the last ten years were not that impressive either, cause they were definitely playing some shitty teams every year.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 28, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't listen to them.

When they beat the Browns and Bengals twice a year for 4 free easy wins every year they’re amazing. But dare anyone else do it and they’re not that good. 500 yards on offense is not impressive at all in the NFL these days.

"We're only going to score 17 points?!" - Tom Brady

by iLL on Sep 28, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

beating the browns at home and the chiefs without cassel is something to brag about.

i believe the basic point trying to be made is the ravens may very well have a great offense (they probably do in my opinion). they’ve done the right things to show everyone that & have done nothing to show anyone otherwise, BUT they haven’t proved it yet.

by t1mmy10 on Sep 28, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry if I miss-worded my point or you might have read it wrong. Me saying they are “not that great” means that IMO they are good, but not great. I guess that was unclear. I give the Ravens credit for moving the ball very well.

However, as I have said you moved the ball very well against bad defenses. To be a great team you have to be able to move the ball well on a good defense. And have we seen you do that this year? No. That is what I have not SEEN FROM THE RAVENS. You can think they are great all you want, go ahead, but I am not buying it, yet.

Lets see what you do in your next 3 games and with a Polamalu loaded Steelers D>

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Sep 29, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Steeler Nation"RELAX"

As a steeler fanatic. First I want to congradulate the bengals on their win today. They made enough plays to win the game. Secondly, the steeler nation should know that any defense doesnt matter if the offense cant help them out. Our defense is still capable of keeping the games close so the offense can produce everytime they are in the RED ZONE. The defense carried the team for the past three games and now u so called steeler fans are bitching like u BELIEVE when the good is going. when the tough comes u panic like a rookie ur dissing. Polumalu this, the defense that, and what ever else u want to wha wha about. All u crying steeler fans should just shut the fuckk up and take the lumps like REAL STEELER FANS. Just b the black n gold tweleve men/women of the STEELER NATION. If u can diss it out, just remember former steeler anothony davis. So as a Nation let us take lumps like we give lumps.RELAX—RELAX—RELAX.The game is over so let us look foward to san diego.
GOD BLESS TO ALL, Steeler nation and Bengals. From hawaii. good luck n aloha

by pistonsteelers on Sep 28, 2009 12:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Relaxed but realistic!

I understand where you’re coming from but the final numbers are screaming (final numbers on the scoreboard that is). Ben’s numbers look good. The O line is doing a much better job. There ARE problems (CLEARLY) that have made the last 2 games losses! Sweed is inconsistent in his position and HE is the only one that can hang on to the ball in the endzone with NO ONE around him. Please. Take our lumps?? Of course we take our lumps but the beauty of a REAL STEELER FAN is when we don’t just gloss over those inexcusable, ridiculous and most un-Steeler-like antics of our team. If we didn’t call them out and say “Whoa…hang on there! What the hell is THAT?” we would be nothing more than Patriots fans….and who wants that?!

by 1BlkGldFan on Sep 28, 2009 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

play calling...

Just my two cents about the offense…We are a good spread formation passing team why don’t we ever run it out of a spead formation!?? Fewer defenders in the box mean more running lanes for the RB’s…even in the red zone?? That’s basic Football 101!! The few times we’ve done so …we have gashed defenses…WE DO HOWEVER get in a predictable two and three TE set and telegraph to the other team “hey we’re running it!”….No working!! be more creative BA!!

by footballcafe on Sep 28, 2009 3:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Death by a thousand cuts

Great recap blitz. I would agree with almost all of your points except your emphasis on defense being the major problem. The entire team, all three units on the field and the fourth unit of coaches on the sidelines, is a little bit out of sync. We tend to notice it more on the defensive side because we have become used to such a high standard of performance. When your Ferrari defense can only go 80 miles per hour you tend to be a bit more upset than when your Honda Civic offense can’t get get over 45.

I would say the one common denominator for all three games has been mental mistakes and poor execution in situational football in all three phases, and by the coaching staff. The compounding factor has been clutch performances by the opposition in key situations in the two losses. Cutler and Palmer made some big plays and did not turn the ball over. Chicago’s receivers made a ton of good catches in traffic. This time, Brian Leonard’s lunge for the first down after being hit by Farrior two yards short of the sticks was a fantastic effort by him. But overall the offense has put up yards and the defense has forced punts. The problem is points, both for and against, in key situations. In those situations we are getting sloppy play and mistakes by veterans and rookies. There have been some strange directives from the coaching staff on offense, defense and special teams. Tomlin’s management of time outs, challenge flags, game situation strategy need to get sharper. One week we go for a TD on fourth down at the goal line, the next week we don’t. One week we think 52 yards is close enough for a FG, the next time we don’t, then we change our minds and find out we were right the first time. The idea of a strategic coffin corner punt is seemingly foreign. We’re so anxious to block for our new world class punt returner, we forget about the possibility of the other team’s punt team running the ball. We are getting some bad luck. For example, if the Bengals don’t screw up their first TD convert attempt, in all likelihood the game yesterday ends up in overtime, or perhaps the Steelers do something more with the ball on their final possession if they’re only leading by three instead of five (although why the team chose to play conservatively after blowing a lead last week and moving the ball well this week is beyond me). We’re not getting any fortuitous bounces, as in the fumble caused by Deebo in Chicago or momentum carrying Wallace just out of bounds on his bomb. We have coaches who regardless of what they decide to do on short-yardage or in long field goal position, the decision they make turns out wrong because of a dropped pass or a missed FG. As someone else has probably said, it’s a very fine line between winning and losing and the Steelers have lost their balance on that line twice in a row.

It’s pointless to go over each little mistake or stroke of misfortune and say THAT was the difference between winning and losing. All of them contribute. But this team is not sharp mentally (from the coaching staff down) nor getting a consistent standard of excellence from its best players. The only cure for lack of sharpness is more work and a sense of urgency tp solve the problem. Coaches and key players have to lead the way in practice and things will fall into place.

by steeler.lifer on Sep 28, 2009 3:41 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

THE REASON WE LOST:

The Refs must not have shown up… I was disappointed as a Steelers fan by the poor officiating. We’re supposed to win to keep the merchandising alive. We’re the most overrated team, in one of the weakest divisions in the NFL, but with the most bandwagon fans and fraud fans ever. Heck, who will buy pink Steelers hats if we keep losing?! We need to hold on to our brainless fans in order to survive! I’m sure the NFL will wake up soon and make sure we start winning again, no question. Go REFS!!!! Ooops, I mean Steelers!

by Emerson76 on Sep 28, 2009 5:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Black and Gold Whine, Steelers vintage 2009! A great year for sour grapes!

Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL

by steelguy99 on Sep 28, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What do you mean "we" and "our"?

All the whining about preferential officiating pegs you as a closet SeaChickens fan still bitter about Super Bowl XL. Try to think up a different point to make, as you’ve beat this one into the ground.

by MelBlunt on Sep 28, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering about his true identity too…Seahawks is a great guess. Either way I have a new found appreciation for Mr. MaLor, he doesn’t exhibit any signs of Ressentiment.

by HereWeGo on Sep 28, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

L

1) Last year the Steelers made the plays to get off the field on 3rd down and this year they haven’t. Is it the pass rush? The lack of defensive splash plays? is the D too passive? LeBeau needs to get 43 back and get this fixed ASAP.

2) The ball is not bouncing the Steelers way. Remember Chi’s winning drive? A Steelers LB forces a fumble after a 15 yard Chi gain but Chi falls on the ball. Last year that’s the Steelers ball.

3) Bruce Arians; your QB regularly throws for 300 yards yet your O puts up 47 points in 3 games? Unacceptable. Do you have 1 goal line play that can work? Do you have any red zone plays that will work? Is your entire scheme to let the rush come after 7 and when he scrambles something in the secondary will break down and 7 will make a play? We run the ball the entire first half against Cincy and you come out in half 2 with 3 straight passes? BA, move on with your lifes work…as a WR coach in Division 2 college football.

4) Just to add, after the dropped TD in the SD playoff game I stated in no uncertain terms; Limas Sweed = B.U.S.T. My fears were compounded against Baltimore in the AFCCG. How does this guy ever see the field? Another example of the OC lack of judging talent (see Max Starks on the bench for 2 years) Why not play the guy with 79 catches and 1000 yards on his resume BA? It’s not just about getting open BA. McDonald will catch it!

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Sep 28, 2009 9:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sweed

I was willing to call it rookie jitters on the big stage last year, but that drop that Sweed had in the endzone was inexcusable. I’m not ready to call him a complete bust, but so far, I like Mike Wallace much better.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Sep 28, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be comically impossible for anyone to argue for Sweed above Wallace at this point.

Speaking of, Nate Washington got a nice TD this week. Good for him.

Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL

by steelguy99 on Sep 28, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

14

I knew after those drops in the playoffs last year that the Steelers got off lucky. Sweed caught up with them yesterday. While not the sole reason they lost, it is a matter of time before dropped TD passes cost you a close game.

How many more games are we willing to risk on this slippery fingered #2 pick? I say throw it to Wallace and McDonald and let Limas wear his nifty Steelers sweats and wait for an injury.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Sep 28, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True enough

Wallace led the team in receptions and yards, I believe, yesterday. Holmes was invisible.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Sep 28, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Holmes was visable but not in a good way

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Sep 28, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

I did see him step out of bounds when he should have known he was that close to the sideline. I think it caused the 4th and 4 just before halftime.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Sep 28, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweed = Dallas Baker with speed?

That is how he looks right now. I am a fan of his, but he just doesn’t have the focus. Tone is full of himself too. He seems to have dropped more balls than he has caught this year.

Erik

by ekl on Sep 28, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

That TD he dropped is the one play that kills me. Because he caught it, and he wasn’t tackled, he just fell. He had the ball in his hands on his chest while on his back. It looked like he believed the play was over before it was and just let the ball go.

Holmes has played well in two games, I think, but didn’t show up for this one. He is too full of himself. Reminds me a little of a shorter, less talented young Randy Moss. I remember Moss talking about having a coming out game in his second or third season, after he had struggled some. A guy on the radio said that great players don’t have coming out games. They perform consistently. It apparently took Moss 10 years to figure that out. We’ll see with Tone.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Sep 28, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is P. Rivers licking his chops right about now?

A few quick thoughts from DaTruth:

 - Unlike Chicago, this was a BAD loss. Only 2 teams are going to the playoffs from our division, and it might not be the Steelers. They are already behind Baltimore and the Bengals, and both might have a better all-around team. If that doesn’t make you choke on your Cheerios, nothing will.

- Lamarr Woodley, anytime you want to join the party, feel free to do so. Harrison is seeing all kinds of chips and double-teams and extra tackles on his side, Woodley has to beat his man one-on-one to get pressure. The same goes for the rest of the DL.

 - I think LeBeau has to find a way to keep Big Snack on the field, especially when the team goes to nickel. This team is very vulnerable against the run when it goes to its 4-man line with Woodley, A. Smith, Keisel and Deebo. This line usually gets gashed by the run in this D. You have to figure out a way to keep one of your best players on the field, especially one is playing for a new deal.

- Should K. Colbert just take a mulligan for last year’s draft? Mendenhall not knowing his assignments and then gets benched. Limas Sweed doing what he does, dropping passes at crucial moments. Bruce Davis not hitting anyone in two years. That draft is looking pretty bad right now. Still, the time to sit down Mendenhall when he doesn’t know his assignments is before the game. Put someone else in a hat on game day that does. Preferably, someone who can get you a 3rd and 1. Still, there is more here than what has been reported thus far.

 - I remember a time during preseason when I said that M. Wallace is a better WR as a rookie than Sweed is as a second-year player, and someone on this board told me that assessment was idiotic. Their thinking was the WR position is so complex that any rookie is going to struggle coming in and that Sweed has a year in the system and has worked hard on his hands. Well folks, that’s why you don’t buy all the hype during the preseason and all of those stories coming from Wex and others about players showing all of this improvement in shorts and when it doesn’t count. It’s what they do between the white lines on Sunday. The game isn’t too big for Wallace right now. It is for Sweed.

 - Is it me or does Farrior seem to be getting burnt a lot in pass coverage? The first TD in Chicago was actually his fault, and not Ty Carter’s. Farrior was late coming over. His coverage in the 4th Q was a step late as well. Has this proud veteran lost the proverbial step that all players do with age? Just asking.

 - Time to really make a commitment to the running game. Why? Because when you are a passing team, the QB has to be pretty much perfect to win that way. The WR’s have to be precise in their patterns and the OL has to keep the QB clean. In other words, everything has to be on point to function. I don’t think Ben is that type of QB, our OL is that good or our WR’s are at that point. I just think this places too much pressure on Ben’s shoulders to play perfect. Kind of like giving the ball to a Kobe and Lebron in the 4th Q every game and then telling them to go win the game. Even the great ones need some help to get over the hump. And Big Ben needs an effective running game to be at his best this year.

 - Wow, this D can’t get off the field when it matters. Never thought I’d be saying that this early or this year, for that matter. Two leads going into the 4th Q for two consecutive weeks and two losses. And don’t forget this team could easily be 0 and 3 right now.

- On th positive side, the OL is improving weekly. M. Starks did a pretty good job against Antwan Odom, the team has found a 3rd WR that could be a game-breaker for this O, and Willie Gay and Ike played pretty good games at corner yesterday. That’s all the positives you get from me with a loss.

 - I’ve read probably the most negatives posts about Tomlin after a game that I can remember in recent history. That decision to go for it on 4th and 4 with about a minute left was one of those decisions where he’d look like a genuis if they scored a TD and a fool if Cincy gets points. I think I would have punted, to try and pin them deep and make them go a long ways for any points right before the half. The fake punt really hurt this team. Anyone who watched Hard Knocks would know that the Bengals did this a few times in the preseason. My biggest knock for Tomlin was the way Mendy was handled. If he isn’t doing it in practice, just don’t give him a hat for the game. I actually think you hurt the team by having him available but then not using him to try and send a message. What message does that really send? The Steelers need a RB that can get them the tough yards when they need to, and I don’t think that RB is on the 53-man roster right now. Where is Gary Russell when you need him?

- A lot of people are saying its early, but I’m seeing quite a few disturbing trends with this team that you hope don’t become bad habits. I really believe that a team is pretty much what it is and will be by week 8 of the season. It has pretty much cemented its personality by then. Right now, the Steelers are a passing team that makes mistakes at critical times, can’t run the ball when it needs to, isn’t physical like in year’s past, can’t stop anyone when it needs to and is living off of what it done this past year. Might be time for Tomlin to go to the bullpen for some help. Don’t be surprised to see one or 2 roster decisions this week.

- Oh, yeah, one more thing. I know the name of the game is scoring more than your opponent, but when you become a passing team, I think that your players on both sides of the ball take on that personality and you become less physical. And I think this is shown in the redzone when you can’t run the ball effectively or you need to stop teams. I’d like to see this team getting back to physical and mistake-free football. And that is a decision that is solely on Tomlin.

by datruth4life on Sep 28, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post as always truth

Good analysis on all points.
A couple of thoughts and quibbles though:
- Don’t have as dim of a view of this team as you do. I think that the offense is significantly better than last year on all counts for example:
-Ben is healthy and playing better
-The O-line is much improved in pass protection
-We have a much better group of receivers
-We have more options at running back
-BA has been calling better games all around
Granted we are 1-2 at week three but I still think over 16 all of those things are going to trend toward the positive.
Our defense on the other hand is clearly looking softer than it did last year, however I don’t believe that we will see this be the trend for the year
-Obviously we miss Troy – when he is back the D should pick up significantlly
-Jay Cutler and Carson Palmer are good QB’s who were able to exploit our weakness situationally – not yet cause for panic. Palmer especially needed a hole host of minor miracles, special teams plays, big penalties and other assorted gifts from the Gods to mount his 11 point comeback. There is also no way that he comes back 11 points if Santonio hadn’t gifted the Benagles 6 points.
-Statistically the Steelers D is doing mostly fine. We are in the top 6 or 7 in most relevant categories Except turnovers and sacks. I am not saying that’s a good thing, but I think that over time it balances out. You get some of those things flowing your way.
-I think that the Steelers might be feeling a bit of age at key defensive positions late in the game – Kiesel, Smith, Hampton, Farrior, Harriosn, Deshea, and Carter are all on the wrong side of 30 – this more than anything worries me about what might be happening when a team goes no huddle on us late in the fourth. It might explain part of the schizophrenic nature of our Defense – dominating then suddenly soft at the end of the game. All of the other stuff is fixable – and my sense is that most of it will trend our way over 16 – the age of our D might not. It might catch up to us. I think it’s part of the reason that you are seeing Lewis, Mundy and Hood getting on the field now – we may well need those guys to make a difference down the road.

My overall point is that right now we are all feeling pretty crummy about this team – because we are 1 and 2 and just lost to the Bengals. From my perspective we are a much better team at the end of week 3 this season than we were last season.

Last season we had a nice romp against a lousy Texans team in week one, that over-inflated confidence. We won a squeaker against a lousy Cleveland team in week two and got our butts handed to us by Eagles in a bad way in week three.

We would ride a handful of squeakers against good teams to a playoff birth and nice run through to the Super Bowl.

We had some bad breaks against decent teams in the first three weeks. We could just as easily be 3-0 0-3 2-1 or 1-2. Overall though, we are much further along this year than we were last year. Simply put this is a better football team at this stage of the year, than it was last year.

by SteelerBuddha on Sep 29, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WINNING VS. LOSING

SEEMS LIKE THE BURGH IS PLAYING NOT TO LOSE, RATHER THAN TO WIN.
PLAY SELECTIONS SAY EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. LOOK FOR 86!
JUST A SUGGESTION.

by steel-ten on Sep 28, 2009 4:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And this is particularly compelling since you typed all in caps.

by worldtrip on Sep 28, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally I thought the exclamation point tipped it over the edge.

Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL

by steelguy99 on Sep 28, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs


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