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Pittsburgh Steelers Struggle Defensively Late In Game For Second Consecutive Week

Let's take a look at how the defense played in Pittsburgh's 23-20 loss to Cincinnati on Sunday. For the second consecutive week, the Steelers defense played very well at times, bended but were not broken at other times, then ultimately succumbed down the stretch and gave up game winning touchdown drives in the game's final minutes.

Like last week, the Steelers came out of the gates with a bang - on both offense and defense. While Pittsburgh was racking up yards en route to a 13-0 lead, the Bengals were pathetic early. That's partly because they were just out of sync and perhaps a bit too jazzed up for this one. But it's also a product of the Steelers playing tenacious, and more importantly, smart football on defense.

Here were the Bengals first four drives:

Early Game Success of Steelers D (First 3 CIN Drives)
Time of Possession Drive Began # of Plays Yards Gained Result
1:40 PIT 49 3 -5 Punt
1:27 CIN 22 3 -5 Punt
1:25 CIN 22 3 -10 Punt

 

Bengals fans were beginning to boo by this point, but both their first and second drives featured penalties of 5 yards. On the 2nd drive, the five yard flag counterfeited a 9 yard completion to Ocho Cinco that could have gotten the Bengals going a bit.  Anyhow, we'll discuss later how the Steelers offense missed a golden opportunity to run away with this one during this stretch of the game, but let's move on to the defense's next series. I'd classify this one under the 'bend but don't break' mold.

Bengals Find Taste of Success on 4th Drive
Time of Possession Drive Began # of Plays Yards Gained Result
6:05 CIN 10 11 47 Punt

 

Rather than starting at their own 23, the Bengals were penalized again on the kickoff return that began their fourth offensive series of the game. Down 13-0, the Bengals desperately needed to at least turn the field position wise, or better yet for them, come away with points to settle the team down.

Here were the first 10 plays of the series before their drive came screeching to a halt due to a 10 yard holding penalty. 

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Play # Result
1 9 yard pass
2 7 yard pass*
3 2 yard run
4 7 yard run
5 2 yard run*
6 2 yard run
7 Incomplete pass
8 21 yard pass*
9 7 yard run
10 6 yard run*

* Denotes play that picked up 1st down

On that 10th play - another bruising run by Cedric Benson for first down yardage, the Bengals were penalized 10 yards for holding and were faced with 2nd and 13 from the Steelers 43 yard line rather than 1st and 10 from the Pittsburgh 27. The Bengals didn't convert and were forced to punt it away. The offense was showered with boos from the restless home crowd, even though they had just mounted a very impressive and balanced drive -  a statement series that showed the Bengals weren't going to roll over dead despite trailing big early. Side note - that's bad football knowledge and support from that fanbase. Sorry, it is. Your team just showed some heart, why are you booing them.

Anyway, the Bengals did in fact flip the field on the Steelers, pinning them down inside the 20 at their own 14. The Steelers then answered with an impressive 12 play drive that traveled 51 yards. It ended though with the Steelers failing to convert a 4th and 4 from the Bengals 35 with 1:15 left in the 1st half. The drive featured a nice mix of runs and throws - 5 runs and 7 passes - and even saw the Steelers pick up a 3rd and 2 with the running game (3 yard run by FWP). We can debate the decision to go for it there or to punt it away, but the bottom line is that the Bengals offense got back on the field and got another opportunity to establish some momentum before the half.

They did just that and got on the scoreboard with a field goal as time expired. Palmer completed passes of 19, 8, 6 and 11 yards on the drive and cut the lead to 13-3 heading in to intermission.

The Bengals then cut the lead to 13-9 with a pick-6 of Ben Roethlisberger on the opening series of the 2nd half. Now, after roughly 31 minutes of football that saw the Steelers largely dominate, Cincinnati was more than in business. Stefan Logan had a huge return to put the Steelers right back in Bengals territory following the interception return, but a dropped pass by Limas Sweed on what would have been a touchdown, then a missed 52 yard field goal attempt by Jeff Reed, and all of a sudden the Bengals have the ball near midfield and only down 4 points.

To their credit, the Steelers defense rose up on this series. Props to William Gay for his fine play on Laverneus Coles on 3rd and 1. The Bengals were forced to punt after going 3 and out. The Steelers then answered with a beautiful scoring drive of their own that should have been enough to help them hold on to the lead and escape with a victory. Sure, the offense had other chances later in the game to do just that, but this was a crucial scoring drive that stretched the lead back to 11 points late in the 3rd quarter. Championship caliber teams hold 11 point leads with 18 minutes left - sometimes they do so by just putting more points on the board and making it impossible to catch up; most all other times they're able to rely on their defense to hang on even without giving them extra help.

Steelers' 3rd Qtr Touchdown Drive
Play # Result
1 1 yard run
2 6 yard pass
3 16 yard pass
4 2 yard run
5 21 yard pass
6 -2 yard run
7 18 yard pass
8 9 yard pass
9 10 yard run
10 3 yard run
11 1 yard TD run

 

A huge, huge drive by the Steelers there. Mike Wallace's toughness and sure hands were on full display, Hines Ward made another important play, Willie Parker looked great, the play calling was unpredictable and effective, and it looked like the Steelers were going to be okay after increasing their lead to 11 points at 20-9 with about 3:00 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.

Things looked even better after the Steelers defense then held the Bengals to a 3 and out on the ensuing possession. If you rewatch the tape of the game, you'll notice how quickly the Bengals send out their punting unit on the 4th down play where they executed a fake punt to perfection. It didn't lead to points - Pittsburgh held the Bengals to just 7 yards after the well designed and executed 21 yard fake punt. But the play had to have made the Steelers coaching staff livid. Credit to Cincinnati for drawing that one up and pulling it out at just the right time. Credit the Steelers defense as well though for buckling down and not giving up a 1st down. Shayne Graham missed from 52 yards out and the score remained at 20-9.

The Bengals then forced a 3 and out after Mike Wallace came up just 1 yard shy on a 3rd and 7 conversion.  Wallace actually fought hard for those 6 yards, but a Bengals blitz forced Big Ben to get rid of the ball quickly and the Bengals secondary successfully brought down the emerging rookie out of Ole Miss before he got the necessary 1st down yardage.

This is the time in the game when the wheels came off for the Steelers defense. And to their immense credit, the point in the game when the Bengals offense really started firing on all cylinders. They played nearly flawless football for the final 12:45 of the game when they got the ball back at their own 15 yard line down by 11.

Bengals' First 4th Qtr Touchdown Drive
Play # Result
1 14 yard pass
2 14 yard pass
3 17 yard gain via penalty
4 8 yard run
5 Sacked for 0 yards
6 9 yard pass
7 23 yard TD run

 

That was way too easy for Cincinnati. Only James Harrison's sack of Palmer, his first of the season by the way, stood in the way of the Bengals executing a flawless offensive drive. Even still, the sack was a smart read by Palmer as he stepped up in the pocket and took a minimal loss (0 yards) rather than forcing something or losing 5 or 6 yards.

The Steelers defense saved its worst series of the game for the finale though, after the offense was unable to close out the game on their ensuing possession. After picking up one 1st down to start the series, the Steelers got a little too vanilla with their play calling, running Parker twice in a row on 1st and 2nd down before Big Ben was sacked on 3rd down during a play that I thought had the Steelers receivers running too far down the field given the circumstances.

The Bengals forced the punt and got the ball back on their own 29 yard line with 5:14 seconds left. It should be noted also that the Bengals got out to the 29 thanks to a 17 yard punt return of Daniel Sepulveda's 51 yard line-drive spiraling punt. The Bengals then embarked on a game-winning drive that was both really impressive on their part and very, very troubling if you're a Steelers fan. Here's what happened.

Bengals' Game Winning Touchdown Drive
Play # Result
1 3 yard run
2 17 yard pass
3 5 yard pass
4 8 yard run
5 9 yard pass
6 1 yard run
7 Incomplete pass
8 8 yard pass
9 Incomplete pass
10 5 yard pass*
11 Incomplete pass (spiked ball)
12 Incomplete pass
13 Incomplete pass
14 11 yard pass*
15 Incomplete pass (spiked ball)
16 4 yard TD pass

* Denotes successful 4th down conversion

Again, give credit to the Bengals offense for hanging tough early, putting their early struggles behind them and delivering a knockout punch to the Steelers late after being given too many opportunities by the Steelers offense, special teams, and arguably even coaching decisions. It's a mighty fine line between winning and losing in this league. We saw that last year and we're seeing it again this year. Through three weeks though, we're unfortunately coming out on the short end of the stick, whereas we won more than our fair share of tightly contested games last season.

We did so in 2008 with a defense that defended every blade of grass for an entire 60 minutes of football. Through three weeks of the 2009 season, the Steelers defense is playing hard and not at all far from playing at an elite level. But tremendous quarterback play from our opposition, a lack of turnovers or big plays from pressuring the quarterback, and an inability to keep teams from embarking on long, time consuming drives with short to intermediate pass attempts all are contributing to the drop off in play that we're seeing so far from this year's defense.

That can, and likely will, change as the season progresses. The weather will turn, making it harder for offenses to execute so precisely; bodies will get banged up, opening up opportunities for our resilient and usually more violent defense to bang on people; and frankly, we'll get a bit luckier when it comes to creating turnovers. Fumbles might bounce our way more fortuitously, defenders will hold on to would-be interceptions, and more favorable matchups against less experienced and capable quarterbacks will allow Pittsburgh to make those 'splash' plays that helped us so enormously during last year's run to Lombardi Trophy number six.

Stay patient and remain loyal. This is a marathon, not a spring. There's lots to be excited about, plenty to kibbitz and passionately agree and disagree about, and there's an important lesson to be learned from what we've been treated to through just three weeks - this is the NFL, where nothing's given, things change dramatically from week to week and month to month, and if your team is going to ascend to the top and emerge victorious come February, it's never, EVER going to be easy.

Go Steelers!

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I feel like puking

Just going through that last defensive series makes me want to puke. This was a game that the Steelers had no business loosing.
One thing that you don’t mention is the fact that, to me, it looked like the offense was not trying to score point in their last possesion. I really have to be crit of the coaching staff here. Was that the Steelers non-existing “power running” game trying to close out the game? Bill Cowher said it best in CBS’s pre-game: The Steelers are a passing team, and, I think that if you want your offense to close out the game you have to put the ball in your best player, period.

I will say that it is very early in the season, and that 1-2 is not the end of the world. The division is a lot more complicated than we thought before the season started. This is the chance for the whole Steelers organization to show their mettle and their character.

BTW, did you hear Phil Simms say that MT had Mendenhall not play because he basically was not prepared (confirmed by Jim Wexell)? That sends a message about where the 2008 draft class is (I don’t even want to mention that-other-guy.. I’d rip his contract in his face right now…)

It all starts in the trenches.

by The_Nation_in_Mexico on Sep 28, 2009 12:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on our last drive

They were trying to just run it out which was horse crap playcalling and bad strategery. Why do teams let off the gas I wonder sometimes… Its just setting yourself up for fail.

by Mechem on Sep 28, 2009 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We don’t know what happened there. It could be a personality conflict. People have different personalities.

by lightningrod on Sep 28, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just venting

Blitz, I agree that the Defense is not carrying their weight right now. They are not generating any pressure. In the past two games we have allowed scoring drives at the end of halves and at the end of games. I have not seen many stunts or attempts by the playcalling to create true mismatches on the blitz packages. What I have seen is the defense trying to rely on pure ability from Wood and Deebo, and they have been getting a lot of attention from opposing game plans (as expected).
Bottom line: SD visits Heinz Field next week and it doesn’t get any easier with Philip Rivers at QB.
If the Offense does not develop the killer instinct they need, this close games that are haunting us right now are going to continue and, as you say, very few plays differentiate W’s and L’s.

It all starts in the trenches.

by The_Nation_in_Mexico on Sep 28, 2009 12:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hoep Troy's back by next week.

If not just for that game. SD is going to shred us without him. Can we bring rod woodson and carnell lake out of retirement?

by SteelersVT on Sep 28, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our defense lacks presence. Our offense lacks identity. End of story

by bubby3 on Sep 28, 2009 3:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well its just all Polamalu

I feel this further confirms my Troy Polamalu thesis. He’s the thing that makes our 3 minute defense excellent.

But on another note I think a couple things bothered me most about the game. Limas Sweed’s horrid play for one, would have helped a ton.

But the other had to be some of the officiating in the second half. The hold call on Colon was god awful, his man just fell down basically. That negated a long run IIRC, and the bullshit PI on Ward took away a crucial 1st down.

Some of those were just wrong. And it seemed the LT was able to put his hands on Harrisons facemask quite a bit without a call.

by Mechem on Sep 28, 2009 3:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can't Sleep: so here's some things to think about...

Good job analyzing each drive Blizburgh. Since I couldn’t sleep, I took a look back at the play-by-play list and here are some key things that stand out to me (in chronological order)….

1. (The 1st O series of the game) You have to go for the TD when your are 4th and less than 1 and on the road. They did it last week and scored…had to do it again this week to set the tone. As I said in my earlier post, not going for it can make the other team question your toughness. Minimal risk if you don’t make it, you have Cincy on their goal-line and if our D is of elite caliber you should be able to pressure them into either a mistake or a 3-and-out.

2. Play-calling after the 51-yd. pass to Wallace at the start of the 2nd QTR. Ball is at the Cincy 10 and we’re up 10-0. Why run the ball there on 1st down. The CB just got beat on the long pass to Wallace. Go right back after him with a pass into the endzone, while he may still be thinking of the last play. The Parker run gained 4 and it’s 2nd-6, so again you throw to the endzone. Instead, Ben passed to Heath for no gain making it 3rd-6. Maybe the other receivers were covered and Heath was the dumpoff, but why not send him to the goal line instead. Heath’s great but he’s not a YAC guy so why make him the short receiver? Let Moore run short and send Heath to the goal line…they ended up doing that on the 3rd-6 but Ben missed Heath and they had to settle for the FG.

3. The 4th-4 with 1:06 left at the Cincy 35. They take a time out and decide to go for it. Ok, so you don’t for for the TD on 4th and less than 1 at the goal line, but you go for it now? It seems inconsistent to me, even though I do agree that going for it wasn’t necessarily a bad idea. I don’t recall the exact play they ran, but I remember it looked sloppy. At that point, if you are going to take a chance, go for something like a hook-and-go with Wallace or Holmes where you might catch the DBs biting on a short pass around 5-yds for a first down. Ben does one of his famous pump fakes and you may get a big play there.

4. The ensuing Cincy drive after the failed 4th down. The D gives up 3 straight passes then a penalty (think it was D holding on Townsend maybe? can’t remember) to put them in FG range at the 27. Still would be a 44yd FG at that point, but the D gives up a 4th pass in a row putting them at the 16 for a good shot at the endzone. Cincy missed on the TD, but got a FG. Where was the pressure on Palmer at that point, I don’t recall any creative blitzes, just Harrison getting double teamed.

5. The Steelers opening drive of 2nd half. It’s 13-3 and they have a 2nd-5 from their 34. Pass to Holmes for a 1st down was called back because of a O-interference call on Hines. It was a bad call by the refs as he was headed out to block on the quick screen. Then next play, Ben throws a pic-6 as Holmes fails to cut his route short as the hot route on a blitz. Even so, I’m wondering why Ben couldn’t have audibled into another play if he read blitz. That kind of throw in that place on the field is risky even if Holmes cuts the route off…I’ve seen way too many pic-6’s there.

6. Play calling on the Steelers ensuing series. Logan gets a big return to give us the ball at the Cincy 40 and a chance to make up for the pic-6. Why run the ball there on 1st down? It gained 0 yds. btw. Why not got for the big play to Wallace again? Or go deep against CB Joseph who just scored the TD? He may still be thinking about that play and not ready for the deep ball. They end up with a 3rd-4 at the 34. NOW, they do what I suggested and go for the big play, and get it! But, Sweed drops the ball! He has to make that catch..no excuse! So now they’re faced with 4th-4 again, but again, inconsistency. They decide to try the 52yd FG this time. I’m not saying they should have went for it, but they should have punted. If you didn’t go for Reed the first time (for what would have been a 53yd.) why now? Especially the way he’s been kicking, why take that chance? punt it and try to pin Cincy deep and play some D. Otherwise, even if they make the FG it’s 16-9…still a 1 TD game.

7. Play calling to start the 4th QTR. Steelers survived the Sweed drop and the Reed missed FG got the ball back and scored their own. TD on a nice drive. It’s 20-9 and they get the ball back after the Bengals fake punt and missed FG. So, now it’s time to put them away. But, they start the drive with 2 runs and are faced with 3rd-7. Why run twice there on 1st and 2nd down? at least try a play-action pass with one of those plays. The on the 3rd-7, I think the refs gave Wallace a bad spot, it was closer to a 1st down but I think he was still short. The only good thing from this series is that they made Cincy have to go a long field by pinning them down at their 15 on the punt.

8. Steelers D on the ensuing Cincy drive. Having them pinned at the 15 with an 11pt. lead with under 13min. to play, no excuse for letting them drive for a TD. 2 passes and a penalty and Cincy is at our 40. Harrison finally gets a sack to force 3rd -2, but they allow a pass for a 1st down. Then, Benson breaks the run for the TD. I think there was a missed holding call on that play that will come back to haunt the refs. But, now it’s 20-15 after the missed 2pt. and we have a game again.

9. Play calling on ensuing Steelers drive. On their own 27 with 9 min. to go, they start conservative with a run on 1st down for no gain. They end up with a first down after a pass to Wallace and Ben’s sneak, but then they go run, run again. Why? Playing not to lose is not the way to win. Now faced with 3rd-6, you’re giving the advantage to Cincy. So, Ben ends up getting sacked…go figure!

10. The D on the Cincy’s final drive. With just over 5 min. to go, Cincy got the ball back on their own 29. In this situation, no way should a team drive for the winning TD while eating up the entire clock against our D if we are elite. That’s not acceptable. In 6 plays they moved from their 29 to our 29 and it’s now the 2 min warning. At this point, the D should have a chance to regroup and refocus. They did for a moment, forcing a 4th-2 at the 20, but then they let Cincy convert to stay alive with 1 min. to go. Then they buckle up again and force a 4th-10. On that play Leonard came out of the backfield…that can’t happen. He has to be covered by the LB (Farrior I think was his man). Then they give up the TD. Where was the blitzing and the pressure? This was not the play of an elite D, and really highlighted why Troy is so valuable in these situations.

So there it is. Top 10 things that really stood out. The theme here was play calling and questionable D (might be play calling on D too). That coupled with some poor execution by players at key moments made a game that should have been an realitively easy victory into a heart-breaking loss.

by Psycho Kuz on Sep 28, 2009 3:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Running out the clock

Whats the deal with running out the clock and not running up the score. Forget putting the game on the defenses shoulders, the offense is suppose to score. They have a hall of fame super bowl MVP wide receiver, the last super bowl MVP receiver, a hungry speedster rookie wide receiver, one of the best receiving tight ends in the league, and a quarterback with a strong arm why put the ball in an aging halfbacks hands, especially when everyone knows that’s the play. That running out the clock scheme worked when they had a big power back that had been bludgeoning the defense all day. Looks to me like the coaches are tightening up toward the end of the games(choking).

by ibygeorge on Sep 28, 2009 8:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WRs dropped the ball.

- Wallace runs out of bounds instead of into the endzone. Result is a FG instead of a TD. I love this kid and I think he has a ton of potential, but this was a bonehead play. Lewis should have challenged the catch because I don’t think he had 2 feet in.

- Tone misreads the play and doesn’t break off his route. Result is a pick 6. 10 has been playing like complete shit since the opener. Insert marijuana-reference-laden joke here

- Sweed is worthless. If this dude doesn’t turn into the second coming of Lynn Swann, he’s going to be history.

by JHolmes on Sep 28, 2009 8:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tone's play has nothing to do with his habits- its all his ego.

He started thinking he was one of the top 5 WR’s in the league after last year. He clearly has a way to go before that. You can tell by his body language when he makes a rare good play- he wants everyone to recognize him- always late to the huddle after a big play, trying to soak in the glory that he is now addicted and used to.

by SteelersVT on Sep 28, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I hate it when he satnds up andhas to point at the first dowm like it was a touchdown… It really is starting to annoy me and it shows a lack of humility from his part. Just do your J-O-B and move to the next play… he does have that ego inflated by teh MVP thing that seems ages ago now.

It all starts in the trenches.

by The_Nation_in_Mexico on Sep 28, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blitzburg D

Great analysis of the game, but I think you are missing one big point, this defense is not anywhere as good as last years D. Even with Troy I think we lose this one. When was the last time the defense gave up the game in the last minute of a game in back to back weeks? The team looked tired out there in the 4th. the Bengals looked like they were playing touch and even with a couple of iffy calls this is not the Steel Curtain anymore, hell they aint even the same as the last couple of years. Where is the in your face attitude that we are all used to? Big Ben is a winner, but he cant play defense too. This is going to be a longgggggg season if the O has to carry the team EVERY week. By the way, I heard from my Brother in Law who went to the game that some steelers fans were talking smack until the 4th and then you couldnt hear a pin drop on the Black and gold side after the game even when some Bungle fans were taunting them back. What kind of pussy takes shit from a Bungle fan, oh thats right, someone who jjust saw there team lose for the second week in a row in the final minute, well at least the Brownies are keeping the team from being in the basement. I am embarrassed to say this is the SB cha(u)mps!

by BigJade1 on Sep 28, 2009 9:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

O carrying the team?

The D gave up 17 pts. If that’s not enough to win a game, then there are serious problems elsewhere. If scoring 20 pts and giving up 6 is your definition of “carrying the team,” then you should really watch the games a little more closely.

by JHolmes on Sep 28, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

D carrying the team?

JHolmes, your right, I was just agreeing with blitzburgs assessment and the title of the article, “Steelers struggle defensively”, you are right, the steelers had 51 sacks last year, so far they have 3 in 3 games,that would be the lowest total since i have been alive, they have given up last minute LOSSES in the last 2 games, and dont have the swagger let alone the stamina to keep up with Da Bears or Dey Bungles, but its not the D’s fault right. DUDE, put the crack pipe down and turn the channel. You obviously think that this team won it all last year because of the D, after Ben had to rescue them from giving up late TD’s (sound familiar) to fall behind if it wasnt for the O then the Steelers wouldnt have a 6th ring. I am sure you are pissed as the rest of us about the shiiity start of this season but dont take it out on the messenger. I know, you must be butt buddies with one of the Dlinemen and dont want his feelings hurt.

by BigJade1 on Sep 28, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

butt buddies? C'mon now.

We don’t tolerate that kind of talk here.

by SteelersVT on Sep 28, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

During the game threads things can get a little sloppy. People are passionate. But the highschool vocabulary can take a rest when you’ve got time to review a post.

by Varmint on Sep 28, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not just the high school vocab

But the ‘team sucks’ attitude as well. I was at the Chicago game, and obviously was at the Cincy game. A good chunk of fans (read: those with less than 8 beers in them) were saying ‘we got lucky’ in both cities. Talking to my dad after both losses he put it perfectly. The bittersweet theme in these two games is that we aren’t walking away saying…man, we got outplayed by a better team. In both cases I think we can easily say we beat ourselves. We won last year based on consistent execution and we’re simply not getting that done this year. But guess what? It’s week 3. The offense is looking good and I have faith in them converting a few more red zone opportunities into points. I have faith in Jeff Reed making more field goals. I have faith in Troy Polamalu coming back and starting to transform Gatorade buckets into wine soon enough. The only thing I don’t have faith in improving is B.A.’s play calling. But we proved last year we can win despite it.

Let’s go Steelers.

by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Sep 29, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bad play calling

I have to agree that the end of the half and end of the game play calls have gotten to be extremely questionable. We are no longer a smash-mouth team. The strong suits are the qb and wr’s…frickin utilize them!!! 2nd round pick… is bullsweed, he has to make that catch, it’s time for mcdonald to move up to #4 rec., wallace will be fine at #3. It’s also time for the defense to quit resting on their laurels. Yea troy is out but their failures have just been lack of effort, missed tackles and mental mistakes. Mike has to take the blame and see that this crap is corrected, he is the hc and that’s where the buck stops!

by SoFlaSteeler on Sep 28, 2009 9:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

please let's not forget the O

look, let’s face it, this D is very different without troy. phil simms is a moron, but he was right that troy tackles benson on his TD run. troy also makes at least one of those 4th down plays on the final drive.

but if limas catches that freaking TD pass, we’re not talking about any of this. the D is flawed to be sure. but a lot of this is the way these three teams have attacked us: dink and dunk. 3 and 4 yd passes are they way to avoid pressure and sacks. i have full faith in the future HOFer dick lebeau that he will dial up a new way to get pressure. but we are going to continue to have problems getting off the field on 3rd and 4th down if the DB’s keep pretending to be chad scott and line up 15 yards off the LOS.

lastly, THE OFFENSE IS STILL LOSING GAMES BY NOT SCORING.

by fajita on Sep 28, 2009 9:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can any of you guys tell me who in the Secondary is playing in the nickel and dime packages?

I want to know which backup defensive backs are getting playing time, in the nickel and dime packages

thanks

by lightningrod on Sep 28, 2009 9:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Could be wrong...

Tomlin mentioned utilizing Deshea at safety instead of Carter on the last couple drives (I knew it didn’t feel right when I kept seeing his number pop up), and as well they threw Keiwan Ratliff out there to be the nickel back. I do not remember seeing another CB but I could be wrong.

Anyways, that’s Deshea and Clark at S, Ike, Gay, and Ratliff at CB.

Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(

by sctx109 on Sep 28, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know there is not just one answer as to the whys

But the Jets, Broncos, 49ers and Ravens are all playing pumped up. They are all playing very hungry

I call it the ‘fire of God in the veins’

Others call it being ‘jacked up’ I think

The Steelers need to get pumped up and get hungry again

by lightningrod on Sep 28, 2009 9:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A few quick notes on the D...

First, I think the loss of Troy Polamalu is more than just the player not being there. Defenses for the most part are more emotionally driven than offenses. A defense can turn it up after a big play, and can retreat a little bit after a few miscues. Not having Troy means that someone else has to step up and make that play. One person does not make a defense, but can certainly break it. Without the tide turning play, the interception, the tackle for a loss, the play we need, our defense does not have the same attitude. This has become very evident in the last two weeks.

We can not cover the lesser known WR’s. Why? It seems when we need it most the defense allows the catch to the to the third/ fourth WR. Kenny Britt, Johnny Knox, Andre Caldwell. What do these players have in common? They’re all their teams third or fourth option. What else? They have all beat us when none of them should have. This needs to stop.

This is a dose of reality. To all those talking about 14-2, 15-1, even undefeated seasons take note. This is the NFL, and nothing is just given to us. Even if it looks that way on paper, this is why they play the games. Hubris gets us nowhere. Even if we thought they were W’s, you just never know. I look forward the renewed focus these two losses will bring this team, and expect to see much, much more from them in the weeks to come.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Sep 28, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What's a splash play? I forget?

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Sep 28, 2009 10:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't have a Webster's definition...

But my understanding is any kind of play that really gets the crowd, and more importantly the rest of the team into the game just that much more. Whether it be a timely pass breakup, a big tackle, a sack, an int, really any play that comes at the right time. The play we need, when we need it most, offensively, defensively, or special teams.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Sep 28, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"really any play that comes at the right time when we need it most"

Ah, no wonder I forgot what that meant.

Folks, let’s be honest. We are a coin flip away from being 0-3. Detroit isn’t even 0-3.

I know it’s a long season, and the Steelers certainly can right the ship, but this fourth quarter fading defense BS is garbage.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Sep 28, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Folks, let's be honest.

We are 2 splash or even 2-3 normal plays away from being 3-0. We dominated all 3 teams. We just are not finishing. Fix that and we are unstopable. I still believe this team talent wise is better than last year. Just not finishing.

by Steelde#1 on Sep 29, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Splash plays aren’t an easily grown fruit.

Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL

by steelguy99 on Sep 29, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NYSteelersFan4 is right,

A splash play is bacsically a big play that changes momentum. A pick, pick six, a sack – strip, a long touchdown run, a long touchdown pass, kickoff or punt return for a score, or a fake field goal or punt would all qualify as splash plays.

by StoneColdSteel on Sep 28, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if Sweed catches that long TD pass…that would’ve been a splash play.

breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.

by NoCal-SteelCity on Sep 28, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes it would have...

But there were many more that could have been made aswell.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Sep 28, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was a splash play

as in beer splashed everywhere when I slammed my bottle down after that garbage. ok I’m done. No reason to get too negative here at this time.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Sep 28, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah, kudos to the O-line and our cornerbacks. Let this not be lost.

Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL

by steelguy99 on Sep 28, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Let’s not forget the superhuman effort by Ike Taylor on that last drive. He belongs in the Pro-Bowl.

by woody71 on Sep 28, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep. Ike Taylor is legitimately one of the best CBs in the league, regardless if he can catch the ball or not

by Jett on Sep 28, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say we equal our record of last year

We’ve dropped two on the road, so we’ll probably drop two at home as well.

First, let’s put this in perspective guys. Even though we don’t have Troy, we have not been beaten these last two weeks. We have beaten ourselves. If our pass rush was consistent, we wouldn’t be giving up points late in the game. I’m not saying Troy isn’t missed, but I am saying that a good pass rush can make a mediocre secondary look great.

I may be the only one who thinks this way, but I think there are only a select few teams that can truely beat us. If our o-line keeps blocking like they did today, the offense is bound to start clicking pretty soon. And you guys will see when our pass rush starts to get there, our secondary will look better too. Will it be as good as when Troy is playing? No. But a better rush will lead to a better defense down the stretch.

And WTF is up with players from University of Texas? Besides Casey can anybody name a player from that school that has not struggled in some aspect in the league?
Roy Williams, Michael Huff, Cedric Benson, Shaun Rogers, Leonard Davis, Mike Williams, Vince Young, Limas Sweed, Derrick Johnson, and David Thomas, to name a few, have all had difficult times in the NFL. What is wrong with the psyche of players from that school?

by StoneColdSteel on Sep 28, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jason Blalock

There have been articles written on the U, but do not get blindsided by only the big names the media throws out there to make their point… oh yeah and Priest Holmes.

Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(

by sctx109 on Sep 28, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Purely opinion...

I have no insight on the Texas program, but this is my opinion based on what I’ve read.

I think at Texas there is a premium put on the game side of football, and try and keep it as fun as possible. I read Vince Young’s comments, some by Roy Williams (who admitted to never entering a weight lifting program until this offseason, which says a lot about both Texas and the Lions really) and a few others. They stress the game side of the game, keep it fun, but take it seriously enough to win.

I think this creates an “ugh” feeling for NFL players out of Texas, for lack of a better term. Remember how you felt the day you started your first “real world” job? That’s the realization I feel a lot of players from Texas have when they get to the NFL and realize, “Holy ____, this is my job, and it’s work”. Malaise might be the word.

I think we saw it first hand with Ricky Williams, who in his defense had anxiety issues of his own on top of everything else. He came to the NFL and just couldn’t deal with it. I think we see it with other players who had similar treatment in other schools aswell. Justin Harrell out of Tennessee, Tim Crowder out of Florida. But I do not have all the facts with those two, and don’t want to jump to conclusions with them. Cedric Benson, who we now have first hand knowledge of, admitted that he didn’t take his work seriously enough in Chicago, says he found a new commitment to the game shortly before leaving ChiTown, and we see what it has done for him. It’s all mentality, and how well they cope with their respective versions of “the real world”.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Sep 28, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh maybe

But really the UT guys are gods in Austin, and Austin is an incredible city. I believe, other than LA, that it is one of the larger cities/metropolitan areas in the nation without a professional team, and where everything centers around the football team….

Yep, Austin is the 16th largest city in the nation. And, no, San Antonio never counts.

Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(

by sctx109 on Sep 28, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not looking pretty with P. Rivers coming to town

Unlike Chicago, this was a BAD loss. Only 2 teams are going to the playoffs from our division, and it might not be the Steelers. They are already behind Baltimore and the Bengals, and both might have a better all-around team. If that doesn’t make you choke on your cheeriors, nothing will.

Some other quick thoughts:

- Lamarr Woodley, anytime you want to join the party, feel free to do so. Harrison is seeing all kinds of chips and double-teams and extra tackles on his side, Woodley has to beat his man one-on-one to get pressure. The same goes for the rest of the DL.

 - I think LeBeau has to find a way to keep Big Snack on the field, especially when the team goes to nickel. This team is very vulnerable against the run when it goes to its 4-man line with Woodley, A. Smith, Keisel and Deebo. This line usually gets gashed. You have to figure out a way to keep one of your best players on the field, especially one is playing for a new deal.

- Should K. Colbert just take a mulligan for last year’s draft? Mendenhall not knowing his assignments and then gets benched. Limas Sweed doing what he does, dropping passes at crucial moments. Bruce Davis not hitting anyone in two years. That draft is looking pretty bad right now. Still, the time to sit down Mendenhall when he doesn’t know his assignments is before the game. Put someone else in a hat on game day that does. Still, there is more here than what has been reported thus far.

 - I remember a time during preseason when I said that M. Wallace is a better WR as a rookie than Sweed is as a second-year player, and someone on this board told me that assessment was idiotic. Their thinking was the WR is so complex that any rookie is going to struggle and that Sweed has a year in the system and has worked hard on his hands. Well folks, that’s why you don’t buy all the hype during the preseason and all of those stories coming from Wex and others about players showing all of this improvement. It’s what they do between the white lines on Sunday. The game isn’t too big for Wallace right now. It is for Sweed.

 - Is it me or does Farrior seem to be getting burnt a lot in pass coverage? The first TD in Chicago was actually his fault, and not Ty Carter’s. Farrior was late coming over. His coverage in the 4th Q was a step late as well. Has this proud veteran lost the proverbial step that all players do with age? Just asking.

 - Time to really make a commitment to the running game? Why? Because when you are a passing team, the QB has to be pretty much perfect to win that way. The WR’s have to be precise in their patterns and the OL has to keep the QB clean. In other words, everything has to be on point to function. I don’t think Ben is that type of QB, our OL is that good and our WR’s are at that point. I just think this places too much on the shoulders on Ben to try and do everything. Kind of like giving the ball to a Kobe and Lebron in the 4th Q and telling them to go win the game. Even the great ones need some help to get over the hump. And Big Ben needs an effective running game.

 - Wow, this D can’t get off the field when it matters. Never thought I’d be saying that this early or this year, for that matter. Two leads going into the 4th Q for two consecutive weeks and two losses. And don’t forget this team could easily be 0 and 3 right now.

- On th positive side, the OL is improving weekly. M. Starks did a pretty good job against Antwan Odom, the team has found a 3rd WR that could be a game-breaker for this O, and Willie Gay and Ike played really good games at corner yesterday. That’s all the positives you get from me with a loss.

 - I’ve read probably the most negatives posts from Tomlin after a game that I can remember in recent history. That decision to go for it on 4th and 4 with about a minute left was one of those decisions where he’d look like a genuis if they scored a TD and a fool if Cincy gets points. I think I would have punted, to try and pin them deep and make them go a long ways for any points right before the half. The fake punt really hurt this team. Anyone who watched Hard Knocks would know that the Bengals did this a few times in the preseason. My biggest knock for Tomlin was the way Mendy was handled. If he isn’t doing it in practice, just don’t give him a hat for the game. I actually think you hurt the team by having him available but then not using him to try and send a message. What message does that really send? The Steelers need a RB that can get them the tough yards when they need to, and I don’t think that RB is on the 53-man roster right now. Where is Gary Russell when you need him?

- A lot of people are saying its early, but I’m seeing quite a few disturbing trends with this team that you hope doesn’t become bad habits. I really believe that a team is pretty much what it is and will be by week 8 of the season. It has pretty much cemented its personality by then. Right now, the Steelers are a passing team that makes mistakes, can’t run the ball when it needs to, can’t stop anyone when it needs to and is living off of what it done this past year. Might be time for Tomlin to go to the bullpen for some help. Don’t be surprised to see one or 2 roster decisions this week. Take care.

by datruth4life on Sep 28, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed with most everything

More so than the pass coverage on the last few drives, I was more disheartened that the Bengals were running on us, and running well when they needed to… embarrassing. I don’t know if utilizing Hampton could be effective given it might adversely affect his performance later in games and later in the year, but then run defense was terrible.

Couldn’t agree more on Woodley. He has probably been the biggest disappointment for me so far. I actually needed to force myself to try and find him, so nonexistent was he.

Disagree on Ike and Gay- they played alright, but I was somewhat perplexed by Cincy’s desire to throw at Ike on that last drive. He had to be the targeted corner on 7 or 8 of those pass plays, it seemed. He made some excellent plays (probably some of the only splash plays from the D all day) but he was also beaten inside for the first 1st down attempt.

By the way, was I the only one screaming at the TV when the Bengals receiver seemed to catch the ball while trapping it on the ground. I forgot the exact play but it was maybe the third or fourth before they threw to the end zone. Given the NFL’s strict policy that it is not a catch unless your hand was underneath, there seemed to be no way that it was a catch.

Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(

by sctx109 on Sep 28, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, let's talk about Farrior

I was just putting together a fan post about him and the last few games. It’s tough for me to say anything specific about yesterday because I was “watching” the game via NFL Game Center and reviewing the thread here. His pass coverage yesterday wasn’t horrible, but it added to what was really a mediocre to poor performance from the prior week. He is getting tooled with the 6-12 yard passes. It seems like he is sharing some of the load previously taken by Polamalu, but he’s not up for it.

I never had an opinion on the Sweed vs Wallace debate. Up until now, I’ve been content to say, “Let ’em play and see what shakes out.” Well, the shaking is done. Wallace is our answer to the #3 WR slot.

As sctx109 mentioned, I’m a little curious about all the throws at Taylor. But, then again, the Bengals succeeded an awful lot tossing at him. They did make 7-8 attempts his way and it worked on 5 of them. Depending on how you lay the blame, I think Taylor gave up more yards than Carter. They only took 4-5 shots at Gay, but 4 of them resulted in yards. Without watching the game, I have no way to be certain about the coverage, but it seems Gay wasn’t picked on as much as I expected.

More “good” news: Logan didn’t fumble.

by Varmint on Sep 28, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Farrior

Maybe someone with a secondary background can explain, but I don’t know how we keep getting beat underneath in the red zone. I had forgotten about Ben missing Heath in the back of the end zone, but if you notice both Hines and Heath had gotten free, but the defenders were in front of them.

Twice last week Carter gets beaten underneath and now Farrior this week. Theory: Polamalu usually baits the QB to throw there and then breaks it up, either we are still running similar schemes with different players or there are mistakes in the reads there.- ties back into what Varmint said abot being without Troy.

I mentioned this a couple weeks ago and I will say again. Not only did Logan not fumble, but he had a great tackle yesterday as a GUNNER. People who say he is expendable seem to forget that he is finding versatility- not only a returner, but now a gunner, and I think I saw him in one of the offensive packages yesterday.

Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(

by sctx109 on Sep 28, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ike

Ike was targeted repeatedly, and repeatedly stepped up (as a sidenote, Ryan Clark, in an article from the PG, noted how Ike was the only player in the secondary that did his job). I don’t think this loss falls on his shoulders at all.

The Steelers scheme is not designed for secondary players to stop passes shorter than five yards. In fact, passes five to eight yards are even tough to defend because the CBs are asked to play one on one and not get beat deep. If there are 10 passes completed of less than 7 yards to Ike’s side, he is still doing his job. Of course, there were only a few completed to his side.

Consistent pressure on the QB disrupts those 1-7 yard timing throws. When Casey Hampton is your best pass rusher, something is wrong.

by CarlWeathersMustache on Sep 28, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, not what I meant

I’m not saying Ike didn’t do his job. And I’m certainly not saying he’s to blame for this loss. I’m saying it’s weird that Ike got targeted so often. It makes me wonder what Palmer was thinking?

There’s no comparison between Gay and Taylor. (Gimme Taylor any day of the week). It’s more of a question why Gay had such a quiet game. Again, I didn’t really see the plays. I can only work with what I recall from the comments in the thread and the graphics on NFL.com. But here is the transcript for Taylor and Gay…

Palmer pass incomplete short middle to 11-L.Coles (24-I.Taylor).
Palmer pass short left to 85-C.Ochocinco to CIN 19 for 9 yards (22-W.Gay).
Palmer pass short left to 85-C.Ochocinco to CIN 26 for 7 yards (24-I.Taylor).
Palmer pass short right to 87-A.Caldwell to PIT 32 for 6 yards (51-J.Farrior; 24-.Taylor).
Palmer pass short right to 11-L.Coles to 50 for -1 yards (22-W.Gay).
Palmer pass short left to 85-C.Ochocinco to CIN 34 for 3 yards (24-I.Taylor).
Palmer pass short right to 87-A.Caldwell pushed ob at CIN 29 for 14 yards (22-W.Gay).
Palmer pass short right to 85-C.Ochocinco to CIN 43 for 14 yards (24-I.Taylor).
Palmer pass short right to 32-C.Benson to PIT 46 for 5 yards (22-W.Gay; 51-J.Farrior).
Palmer pass short middle to 87-A.Caldwell to PIT 29 for 9 yards (24-I.Taylor).
Palmer pass incomplete short right to 87-A.Caldwell (24-I.Taylor).
Palmer pass incomplete deep right to 85-C.Ochocinco (24-I.Taylor).
Palmer pass short right to 11-L.Coles to PIT 15 for 5 yards (24-I.Taylor).
Palmer pass incomplete short middle to 85-C.Ochocinco (24-I.Taylor).

Those are the plays where their names are listed. There are plenty of plays where no defender is listed. It could be that either Ike or Gay blew their assignment so badly, they were no where near the ball. Or, maybe someone else got the tackle. Dunno.

Based on that data, Gay gave up 27 yards on four passes: Taylor gave up 43 on 6. Both had 5-6 yard losses with help from Farrior. The big difference is that Ike also defended four passes. It seems like he got targeted 10 times, while Gay got thrown at 4.

I’m with you on the notion that pressure stops the pass to the flat. However, there were also a number of passes that got past Farrior right up the middle. He’s not looking terrible, but he’s not looking spiffy, either.

by Varmint on Sep 28, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even with Marvin Lewis’s poor use of the clock and downs in the final 4 they still managed to pull it out. Unreal how poor coaching is in this league. I have seen some of the worst clock management and play calling in the final 2-3 minutes this year than in many past years. Cincy still doesn’t have a clue how they won. Sweed…..

A triple play day for the Ravens. Steelers lose. Bengals now mistakenly think they are good and the Browns are out of it…for years to come.

I think the Steelers watch too much ESPN. I really think they believe down deep that they can’t pull it out without Troy. When a guy gets so much PR and then goes down, how can a team not let it affect them. When it feels like he is the franchise because of the media swarms his loss is magnified. Oh, players will say that its football and another will step up. Its not the same. This is total Troy withdrawel whether they will admit it or not. Sooo, lets give Troy another 6 games to get well. We need him at his best…and hopefully he will be AFTER your out of contention.

by raven on Sep 28, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's my feeling as well

Under the lights on Sunday Night, (oh well two rhymes, might as well) the Chargers will be stricken by fright, unprepared for the fight, unaware of their plight, overcome by our might, Steelers nation will be bathed in delight…

Anyways, we always seem to like playing SD and, more importantly, Ben enjoys the Rivers competition. These early season struggles remind me of years’ past and the adage that it is better to lose ’em early than late/

Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(

by sctx109 on Sep 28, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus I hope so

I thought when Hines fumbled in game 1 it would be a good thing and he would play with a chip on his shoulder. I mean he has, he delivers, but he has to get that into the blood of the others.

I thought when Reed did his Bills impression in week 2 he’d put down the gel and get his head screwed on. How about now Jeff?

While there was plenty of positives, all well covered by Blitz, in this game, the general lack of urgency and fire is really hard to ignore. At least MT appeared to be pissed and barely containing himself in the postgame.

They better be angry. I want to see the g-d rollercoaster. This entitled attitude has got to go. Otherwise its going to be a nail biter with the Lions in a couple weeks.

by thedonger on Sep 28, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Settle down

Just because Reed has been a clutch kicker does not mean he is superman. Your “entitled” attitude about 50+ yard kicks needs adjustment. If you think kicks like that are routine for kickers, then Shayne Graham was also entitled to his 52 yarder and the result of the game still hasn’t changed.

by Varmint on Sep 28, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes I know

I am just venting and upset.

I agree the season is young and so on.

But I think most would like to see some urgency, in general, instead of a sort of “aw shucks.”

by thedonger on Sep 28, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

That’s not really what I meant by “entitled” but that’s on me, prose is a bit agitated. I woke up and thought it was a dream…

by thedonger on Sep 28, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No prob

I was riffin’ on you, there.

by Varmint on Sep 28, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are any of you disturbed that this D can't stop anyone with Troy?

With all the money that some of these other defenders are making, if I was ownership, it’d be pretty disturbing to me.

by datruth4life on Sep 28, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well we were stopping Cincy for most of the game

And we only gave up two touchdowns to both Cutler and Palmer. Let’s not make it bigger than what it is. We are not getting gashed for 100 yds rushing every game. We are not giving up 300 yds passing every game. We are not getting blown out at all. We don’t have a pass rush right now. If we did, we could stop someone. The front seven has to apply some pressure to offset the loss of Troy.

by StoneColdSteel on Sep 28, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

It certainly is not coming from the four-man rush defense. And Deebo is not immune to criticism. I saw quite a few plays where the rush was Keisel, Smith, Woodley, and Harrison and they were each blocked one on one and the C just stood there manning the middle. There was a telling shot after the game where the LT- Whitworth for the Bengals was ecstatic and it makes sense, because he hate Deebo’s lunch… maybe even punked him like Ice Cube. :)

Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(

by sctx109 on Sep 28, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the funny thing is that eveyrone probably mentally read the "out" part

not to go off on a tangent, but one way our brains work is that it expects a pattern in sentences, and your sentence mentally sounds right with “without” and that’s how most of us would read it.

by SteelersVT on Sep 28, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Attn Steelers Fans who came for the game

I would like to voice my sincere displeasure with the general conduct of Steelers fans at the game yesterday. Never in my life (season tik holder since PBS) have I ever witnessed so many classless, distasteful, & outright rude sprots fans. A row of sqeelers sat is in front of us and unfolded a 8 ft towel and help it up blocking our game view for the entire game, when they were asked to lower the towel they started mooning & flipping the bird. I know all of you coalminer’s daughters dont know any better, but think how you would react if we came into your house and behaved like Steelers fans ALWAYS do.
PS-I was a Steeler fan my entire life, until I relocated to Cincy and witnessed my 1st Bengals game as a steeler fan in PBS. At halftime I threw my terrible towel away and instantly became a Bengals fan, I was ashamed to be associated with such distasteful and classless fans!

by WhoDeyMoFos on Sep 28, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

-1

This from a guy with “MoFos” at the end of his screen name…

by Varmint on Sep 28, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So..

Which team is on your bandwagon team next?

by Han on Sep 28, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant...

bandwagon ‘list’

by Han on Sep 28, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would expect such a comment

So I am a bandwagon fan, lets count them up 28 years as a Steeler fan, 7 as a Bengal? How about a response/defense to the general conduct of Steeler fans? Actually if you throw the Eagles in, then you realize that PA has no class and no sportsmanship

by WhoDeyMoFos on Sep 28, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Bwa ha ha ha. Best comment ever.

Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL

by steelguy99 on Sep 28, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let’s not forget the Bengals “fans” who boo’d their own team.

…or the one who kicked a puppy.

by Varmint on Sep 28, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When you guys get some loyal fans then you can talk

I would have respect for you guys if your fans weren’t so delusional. I live in Ohio and went to school in Kentucky. There are so many people on that bandwagon it’s rediculous. Can you explain to me why when I first moved back to Ohio in 2002, from Atlanta, I didn’t see anybody wearing a Bengals jersey? What about last year? Until 2004 you guys were the Lions with black jerseys. You guys want to pop your mouths off at your daddy well go ahead. There’s always a time where the son thinks he is big sh*t and then the dad has to knock him down a peg to remind him of his place.

Do you guys talk to the Ravens like this? Oh yeah you don’t because you know what Ray Ray will do to you if you talk to him crazy. As long as Mike Brown is the man behind that mess you call an organization, you’ll always be the Bungles.

by StoneColdSteel on Sep 28, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Generalizing a few Steelers fans as all of them is absurd. If you really think all Steelers fans are like this you are not intelligent.

by Jett on Sep 28, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Quite a bit of sentiment/flip-flopping sports allegiances there.

Anyways, coal miner’s daughters, really? Who are you Loretta Lynn, modernize your rantings please.

Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(

by sctx109 on Sep 28, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

nice loretta lynn reference

Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)

by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Sep 28, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where is Steeler Football

Last year Coach Tomlin aptly defined Steeler football as being “60 minutes.” Both the offense and defense have shown moments of excellence, but as a team there has been nothing close to a 60 minute effort. Its hard to point the finger because offense, defense, special teams and kicking game have all had major ups and downs so far. With a few minor adjustments we could easily be 3 – 0; then again we also could easily be 0 – 3.

The O has scored enough to win all 3 games if the D plays up to potential, but the O has left a bunch of points on the field. Then again, with the exception of Ben’s wrong-way touchdown pass, the O has not been putting the D in a really bad position by turning it over deep in their own territory. The D has played decent for most of all 3 games, but as we all know the last 2 weeks has got the ball shoved down their throats on long time consuming drives when one stop would have put the game away. Regardless of all that , we still could have won or been in good position to win both games if Reed hits a few FG’s we all know he is capable of making.

Well, those are my frustrations of the day. I dont have any good suggestions on how to fix it – these have truly been team losses. I do think I might move Sweed down a couple more notches on the depth chart – with the whole team having their lethargic moments we do need to keep dropped passes to a minimum.

by rockncoal on Sep 28, 2009 12:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Larry Foote

Maybe he meant more to what the LB’s were accomplishing than the team realized. Granted, he’s playing with the Lions but he’s got 28 tackles and a sack to lead that team.

I know the team felt Timmons was ready to replace him but Harrison and Woodley may be lacking in production because of his absence.

by kmitch218 on Sep 28, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The defense should have....

…let them score early, with about 2 minutes remaining on the clock instead of wasting the whole 5 minutes. At this point I trust BB and his offense to drive down the field for the winning FG or TD.

P.S. New poster here – just joined. I had been a silent observer for over a year now. By far the best Steelers blog/ message board ever!

by Han on Sep 28, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

welcome

Glad you joined up. Thanks for the words.

Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)

by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Sep 28, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Accountability

We lost because of one word: accountability. We had it last year, but it is sorely missing this year. I will give the Bengals their due, they were outplayed the majority of the game but never up. Like we did last year (see the theme?). Accountability needs to be on both sides of the ball AND with the coaches.
Beginning with the Head Coach;
(1) he was disappointed in Mendenhall’s lack of focus to details in practice last week so he held him out except for special teams. Holmes’ lack of focus for the past two weeks have left points on the field. By the 4th quarter, Tomlin had made his point, but left a tired FWP out there. (2) Sweed; I don’t need to say anything about that, it is what it is.
(3) The only leader it appears is Big Ben. Did anyone else notice that following Big Ben’s QB sneak for a TD, that the camera caught Tomlin asking Arians, “what was that?” and Arians replying, “I didn’t call it” while pointing at the play sheet and waiving his hands in the air?
(4) Farrior stated he was caught looking at the QB instead of covering the FB out of the backfield which resulted in a great effort play for a 1st and goal. Gay MIGHT be able to use that excuse, but Farrior is a veteran and knows better than that.
(5) Not meaning to pile on the Farrior bus, but why was he playing so deep in the end zone? From my count, this was the second time in as many weeks. Doesn’t it make more sense to play up to cover the short pass and make the QB throw over you? All playing deep does is give up the short area. If Farrior is doing this on his own, shame on him, but bigger shame on the coaches for not focusing on the detail themselves. If the coaches are allowing it, this is were the accountability comes in again, this time for the coaches.
Please don’t take this the wrong way. As my screen name says, I have been a fan since 1969 (Steeler historians should know the significance of that year). However, SINCE I have followed the Steelers for this long (and believe me, I am not claiming to know all, just merely my opinion from all the years), it is going to take more than a few “minor” tweeks or adjustments.
The point of all of this ranting is simply this; Coach Tomlin, by all means hold your players accountable. That includes the ones you like as well as the ones you don’t. Also, hold your coaches accountable for their apparent lack of focus on details. Most importantly, hold yourself accountable not being the same this year as you were the last few years. Knoll did. Cowher did. Not it is your turn.

by SteelFanSince69 on Sep 28, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chuck 'Grassy' Knoll

+1

Where did you get the comments from Farrior btw? Also, I was thinking the same thing about Farrior. And great catch on the Tomlin-Arians convo, I completely missed that. Cheers.

Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(

by sctx109 on Sep 28, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Farrior

Apparently, he made them post-game to some talking heads and it wound up on NFL Network. Also, not taking their word for it, I reviewed the play (I record the games for personal analysis). You can see on that play Farrior was looking at Palmer and not the FB until Palmer threw the ball. On the Tomlin-Arians convo, my wife didn’t believe me until I replayed for her. And she really IS a stickler for details, so I guess most folks didn’t notice that.
                        Praying for next week,

by SteelFanSince69 on Sep 28, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good post

From the head coach down this team has made mistakes. Personal accountability has to include the coaching staff. A roster decision to exclude Mendenhall is fine, but why even dress him and waste a roster spot? Why exclude Moore from the offense when the defense adjusts or when Parker gets a little tired? Why continue treating Sweed as a potential contributor when he can’t be trusted on the field? When does Santonio sit out a series for screwing up something as simple as picking up a blitz audible from his quarterback? When does Farrior get taken out of nickle defense for either mental mistakes or poor performance? How long is that imposter wearing No. 56 going to be continued to be allowed in the locker room, and a missing persons report for Lamar Woodley get filed with local police?

The mantra of 60 minute football is great but it means playing with intelligence and intensity for 60 minutes and that has not happened the last two weeks.

by steeler.lifer on Sep 28, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just thought of something

Two key players on the 2008 team were Holmes and Woodley. Both are key to 2009 victories. Both weren’t around for 2006 and the Superbowl Hangover. Have they not been sufficiently indoctrinated? Are Holmes and Woodley trapped in 2006?

2009 Steelers have done nothing. They need to play like they are underdogs or they soon will be dogs themselves.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Sep 28, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is just me

But I honestly feel that Tomlin is being way to soft on you guys. He is letting them have too much fun with this crap. “Hey you like my shoes? They fresh” What the hell are you saying crap like that when you should be pumping your guys up. I think he enjoys winning games where there is 2 turnovers by Ben and a fumble by FWP than he does blowing a team out. And he is continuing to just try and squeak by these teams, and it is no working. Run game is trash, O-Line has gotten somewhat better, but still trash. And Troy being out is killllllling you.

Again, this is just my homer self. Take it how it is. Peace.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 28, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Steelers,

havent had any turnovers of what sort since Troy got injured. Is James Harrison even playing?

"We're only going to score 17 points?!" - Tom Brady

by iLL on Sep 28, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The greatest defensive player of all time, James Harrison, has been invisible this season. Woodley is no where to be found either.

Casey Hampton looks like he is almost on Ngata’s level.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 28, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Telling it like it is.

Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL

by steelguy99 on Sep 28, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except for the hyperbole

I agree a bit, but with the caveat that that is Tomlin’s style. He lightens the mood while ensuring the work is done during the week. After the Chicago loss, I watched all the America’s Games on the 70s Steelers and was enjoying insights like Noll chuckling at times during big games or letting his team have no curfew the first few nights in New Orleans. Tomlin seems similar.

I tend to believe, like Malor, that Tomlin puts a priority on the importance of winning close games, or heck even losing close games when you can afford to drop a few, building team cameraderie and all. Further, I am left with the feeling that Tomlin is certainly still growing as coach. I think the Super Bowl last year has obscured some of the coaching mistakes he made as a relatively inexperienced head coach. No confusion, he is awesome and will be great but I believe he is learning and developing as well.

Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(

by sctx109 on Sep 28, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just hope the work is getting done this week

When I was a younger man, playing team sports, if we played like that, feet in molasses, no desire, not closing it out, call it whatever.. you bet coach would be having us run windsprints until we puked on monday. and then run some more while I yell at you some more.

Whatever the professional equivalent is, that better be what’s going on. I don’t see MT abiding moping.

by thedonger on Sep 28, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a question of loyalty

Nobody is giving up on the Steelers, but when they suck this badly, it’s pretty tough to find a silver lining. I guess the best thing you can say about yesterday’s game is: maybe it’ll snap the team out of their complacent attitude.

by Billy52 on Sep 28, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A bad season not to remember

I am reading the major part of this and agree
Is happening the same issue that three years ago when the Steelers won the XL Super Bowl.
The D is out of SYNC, How many time the Steelers faced the 4th quarter with a lead of 11 point? several of them and I think they have lost only one (well two if we counted the Sunday’s one), Cuttler came for a bad open season vs Green Bay with 4th interceptions and against the Steelers moved the ball without any problem, Palmer yesterday played a second good half to win the game
There is not pressure over the QB, no turnovers during the games, yesterday the Offense played much better running and passing the ball but need that Mendenhall does his job to be a good replacement
Wallace is the number 3 receiver instead of Limas

I am seeing a bad attitude in the players, there is not the heart showed last season when they faced a very good teams and won.
I don’t think the Steelers can beat Chargers next week and for now in the way the Steelers are playing, can say the first half of the season would be 3-5 Tomlin needs to addressed the issues to fix them now if not then will see a new Champion after the season

Steeler forever

by ninke on Sep 28, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

I think Tomlin is making corrections, maybe being optimistic. After last week, he highlighted the improvements and that we played hard and played well but came up short. This week, the tone seems to have changed immeasurably. This loss is a loss, and therefore no positives can be gleaned from it.

I think we beat San Diego next week and do it with some intensity. Much like I, and some others, seemed to have the feeling we would lose to Cincy, I have an opposite feeling about SD. Home game at Heinz on Sunday Night vs. the Chargers should help the guys remember how to play Steeler football.

I actually, blasphemous I know, have to question whether we are executing the fundamentals too strictly instead of having some moments of huge pain-inflicting plays. Ward seemed very composed yesterday, which is great, but I only saw one moment of getting in the other dude’s face. Maybe the guys are playing to not make mistakes, especially given Hines’ fumble in week 1…

Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(

by sctx109 on Sep 28, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

crap, i forgot you had Sand Diego this week. 1-3 Cha-Ching. Not being a troll but their passing game is unreal. very dificult task to get well against that group. if you shut them down, that does not bode well for our pass defence at this point. i was a little shaken that Miami handled them pretty well. i think they want the payback vs. you. they might be hungrier.

by raven on Sep 28, 2009 6:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wrong raven

According to Johnny_S, our secondary is trash. Even without Polamalu, the Steelers will hold Rivers to 175 yards passing, but somehow find a way to lose. I am more excited to see them lose to Detroit. Should be fun to watch.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 28, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even without Polamalu, the Steelers will hold Rivers to 175 yards passing, but somehow find a way to lose.

It really wouldn’t be that surprising. From what I understand, you need to score points in this league to win. I like our past with SD. They have gone downhill since last year, and seemingly so have the steelers. Could be a good game, we’ll have to see.

I think what will be awesome is when game 16 is on the line for you and oakland wins, should be a real laugher.

Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL

by steelguy99 on Sep 28, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea

It is going to suck not getting that perfect 16-0. I’ll take 15-1 though.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Sep 28, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

Im not gonna talk too much at this point, I’ll leave that to the man, the myth, the legend: Mr. MaLor (who holds it down on every site in our honor). I think it’s going to be a very good game, you guys beat SD in the playoffs last season, a game that you guys played without Troy for the most part. This time around may be a bit more difficult as Phillip Rivers has developed an amazing long ball. Its a pretty pass, I cant even lie, as much as id like to. The best thing that can happen for you guys is for LT to play, because he would limit the Sproles action, I know you guys did a good job containing him in the playoffs, but he has a huge role in the passing game these days and its a pain to say the least. Anyone think our 2 matchups could possibly be a preview of the AFC Divisional round of the playoffs?

Scott Hines

by shines on Sep 28, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could easily debate why we can beat the chargers just like we did twice last year, but apparently getting beat by the bengals has taken the wind out of that.

Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL

by steelguy99 on Sep 29, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

listen to all the jaw flapping

from the guy whose team has beaten the Chiefs and the Browns at home along with the Chargers, who have “unreal tall receivers”.

All the jealously of the rest of the AFC North is on display with the pathetic bengals trolls and the too cool ravens trolls. I bet if the browns could have managed to score a touchdown in baltimore they’d be in here taunting us as well. Keep running your mouths now after week 3.

I would actually give the ravens respect right now, if their fans deserved any.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Sep 28, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Browns will be here in due time.

They get some even matchups against the Chiefs, Raiders and Lions this season, theyll probably lose the games, but a touchdown is due. And theyll be sure to tell you guys all about it. And theyll feel like theyve done damage when noone responds because theres simply nothing to say.

Scott Hines

by shines on Sep 28, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn’t get any truthier.

Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL

by steelguy99 on Sep 29, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

last 2 weeks late game failure

were did the linebackers go on the last scoring drives by the bears and the bengals

by ghostbuster on Sep 28, 2009 7:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Simply disgusted

1st post here after lurking for some time…I just felt compelled to join and comment because I am so pissed off. The game against the Bengals turned into an utter embarrassment. The defense looked soft. I mean the Bengals were able to drive up and down the field late in the game when we’re typically tough. What in the world is going on???? I’m now afraid of what Cleveland may do to us.
Then you have pass-dropping Sweed. Has enough been said about that loser? What a waste of money and he -as a Steeler, at least for now – should just hang himself for embarrassing the Steeler Nation. Wipe the damned Mazola from your hands.
Mendenhall…you suck. I have yet to see the return on that investment. A few moves here and there…a few good plays. That’s it!? What he fails to realize is the expectation that comes with the uniform. It’s a damned privilege, so act like every time you get the ball, you must run over the defense. No excuses.
Willie…I have lost faith in you, but part of the problem is Arians’ use of Willie in the middle. When is he going to realize FWP doesn’t have the size to go up against the middle. FWP is built to run outside, period. Give Redman a shot again.

On the bright side, Wallace has really earned his spot. Damn, that guy is good.

by CarlosC on Sep 29, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs


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