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Steelers Rookies Seeing Significant Playing Time

I just wanted to throw this discussion starter out there to see what some of you guys thought - are the Steelers making more little mistakes early on in the 2009 season because they are working in a high volume of rookies compared to in years past? It's fairly well documented that rookies don't often see the field much during their first season in Pittsburgh. There have been exceptions, for sure, but for the most part, players are forced to learn the ropes for a year or two behind more seasoned, veteran players before getting their first real crack at making an impact for the Black 'n Gold.

Take last season, for example. The 2008 Rookie of the Year for Pittsburgh was reserve linebacker and special teams contributor, Patrick Bailey, an undrafted free agent rookie out of Duke. Donovan Woods (also undrafted) saw the field sparingly; so did Bruce Davis, the team's 3rd round pick. Other than that though, there was very little playing time for any of Pittsburgh's 1st year players last year.

What about in 2005, the other recent year Pittsburgh won the Super Bowl? The Steelers were introduced the services of Heath Miller that year, and he played quite a bit and fairly well. There was also rookie cornerback Bryant McFadden, who was also forced in to action later in the year due to injuries. Outside of those two, the Steelers other crop of rookies didn't play too much. Trai Essex was used sparingly; same with Chris Kemoeatu and Nate Washington. Undrafted free agent Andre Frazier made a few plays on special teams, and rookie long snapper Greg Warren saw playing time. That's about it though.

This year, the Steelers are incorporating quite a few first year players in to the fold. And they're doing so with mixed results I'd say. 1st round pick Ziggy Hood has played very little, but has appeared in all three games. The team's two 3rd round picks - Mike Wallace and Keenan Lewis - have also played early on. Wallace of course has been largely spectacular through three games. He caught 7 passes for 102 yards in Sunday's loss and now has 12 catches on the year, and at least 2 in each of his first three professional games. Despite his outstanding play, he's nevertheless made a few rookie mistakes the past two weeks. The most notable one came last week when he didn't stay in bounds late in the 4th quarter when the Steelers were on the move and trying to set up a potential Jeff Reed game-winning FG. By not staying in bounds, the Steelers left enough time on the clock for Jay Cutler to engineer a game-winning drive of his own following Reed's second costly miss. Wallace looks like he's going to be a player, but he can still help the Steelers chances of winning by eliminating some of the small, mental mistakes that players tend to outgrow as their careers progress.

Then there's Joe Burnett, who muffed his way out of a more prominent role on special teams during the preseason. By doing so, he opened up the door for Stefan Logan to win the return duties. That's all fine and well, and congratulations to Logan for seizing the opportunity and performing fairly well so far,  but giving up a roster spot for a return specialist perhaps also has repercussions that aren't necessarily visible or easy to identify just yet. 

Then there's Frank Summers, who also was seeing the field frequently before sitting this past Sunday's game out. Summers has shown promise on special teams and he's got every opportunity in the world to learn the nuances of being a professional fullback. But for now, he's missing assignments and not really making his big, bruising frame work for him or the running game.

Again, I'm not really pointing to specific plays or instances where the 2009 Steelers rookie class has cost the team. I'm just making a general point that the team is working in far more young bodies than we are accustomed to. This will pay dividends for the organization down the road, and perhaps even for this team later on in the 2009 season. There will be more growing pains though I'd guess before things really all start to come together for this particular squad. That's part of the process and the reality of life in the National Football League. As fans, we must be both excited about all the fresh talent in the pipeline while also remaining realistic about the growing curve that these young players must face and overcome before consistently contributing to a ballclub with championship aspirations.

Thoughts?

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Definitely a factor

There’s no doubt that you can’t always depend on rookies. I can deal with the growing pains (even Sweed’s terrible habit of dropping game-winning passes). I just wish the vets would start playing like it isn’t still preseason!

by Billy52 on Sep 28, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Very Little Body of Work

Good angle Blitz

I think it is still too early to make judgement on wether the rooks playing more than in years past has contributed to the Steelers being 1-2. If you look at the three games, I can only manage to remember the Mike Wallace play that you mentioned where a rookie may have done something at a critical moment in the game that may (and that is a big assumption) have directly contributed to our loss. Some miscues here and there (specially in the running game) but nothing that says that they are a liability.

We have lost these past two games because the team as a whole (veterans, rookies and coaches) have yet to perform in crunch time (except BB during last two possesions in the Titans game).

I prefer to see the brighter side of what you have posted, the experience they are getting this early in the season, and the adversity that is now in front of the whole team of having to perform, will serve them well during this season and for years to come.

It all starts in the trenches.

by The_Nation_in_Mexico on Sep 28, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I think in order to to be a top team this year, the Steelers need to face adverity of some kind. As said in the post here, to make the vets play at a high level and not rest on their laurals.

Phillip Bunting
"Stairway To Seven"

by SteelersChatPack on Sep 28, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

The point about Burnett not seizing the return job and forcing us to lose a roster spot is s very good one. Carey Davis’ inclusion could have meant a W.

by guapo on Sep 28, 2009 8:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I think we may end up coming to fisticuffs if you don’t stop talking about that damn roster spot that Stefan Logan is taking up.

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Sep 28, 2009 9:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I think it will soon be Sweed taking up the damn roster spot.

by Varmint on Sep 28, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL +1 to 'shake

I still thoroughly enjoy NOT seeing dookie, GR or ‘fair catch’ moore back there to return kicks. logan already busted off a nice return in this last game. he already has 265 kickoff return yards, and needs only slightly over 100 more to best the top returner from last year’s season total…

by acrollet on Sep 28, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding

This dead horse has been beaten unmercifully. Note to the people that keep bringing up Logan: you want Madison instead as a gunner, Logan is filling that role and doing it quite well from what I have seen. I have yet to see these repercussions.

Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(

by sctx109 on Sep 28, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Logan put more yards last night than Mendenhall has put up in any game all season.

Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL

by steelguy99 on Sep 29, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sunday afternoon, even.

Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL

by steelguy99 on Sep 29, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just wait until logan breaks a run or 2 for td’s and ask him how many other steelers have more than logan

by t1mmy10 on Sep 29, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Comparing it to 2008's class....

Might the introduction of so many rookies also be in part due to the sub-par performance of the 2008 class? Granted, we’ve come to expect rookies to sit….but that was also established prior to Coach T coming on board. His phylosophy (spelling?) may not quite be the same, but he hasn’t yet had the opportunity to change it since the 2008 class just hasn’t stepped up yet. The 2009 class getting more time collectively may be a direct result of them needing to really make an impact for both 2009 and 2008.

by dawgs144 on Sep 28, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely!

I think Dawgs has something here. The 2008 class has left a void where their contributions should be. Who is left? Dixon and Mundy? The first three were Mendy, Sweed and Davis. so far, they are a bust. This has forced the 2009 class to step up earlier than anticipated and the team is feeling their growing pains, but not as much as the failure pains of the 2008 class.

by WyoFan on Sep 29, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way

Has anybody heard about the injury to David Johnson? I was frustrated to lose our FB on the first series.

Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(

by sctx109 on Sep 28, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not enough to equate to losses

 I agree with the train of thought that they have not played enough to be the reason we are 1-2. That rests solely on the team and coaching staff as a whole, with few exceptions.
I have no issue with Logan taking a roster spot, is there really anyone he thinks he isn’t making more of a impact than another 53rd player would, he is making an impact on kickoff coverage as well in case no one noticed. I would like to see him involved in the offense, he maybe short but he plays big.

by DarinS on Sep 29, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who is making the mistakes

I like the angle, but I think it’s only part of the story. The people making the biggest mental mistakes are not the rookies:

One of the big culprits in my book is Santonio Holmes:
 
Over the past two weeks Ben has thrown to Santonio 19 times. Much more than any other player on the field. Yet during that time he has only caught 6 balls. Look at these numbers:

Player Targeted – Caught
Holmes 19 – 6
Ward 12 – 10
Miller 10-8
Wallace 11-9
Moore 4-4
Spaeth 4-3
Parker 3-3
Sweed 2-1
Mendenhall 1-1

Those numbers are outrageous for the guy who was supposed to be your number one receiver. Add the TD drop and the blown route that led to the pick six – and I think Holmes is currently one of the guys whose head is just not in the game.

by SteelerBuddha on Sep 29, 2009 2:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Parker is 3 for 3?

Well, knock me down with a iron beam and color me confused. When did this happen? I only saw the nice catch during the 3rd quarter of the Bengals game. Did he have off season cosmetic surgery on his hands? Can we get Sweed that same procedure?

We definitely need to experiment more with a split back setup, Moore on one side, Parker on the other, and make check-down throws a threat in every down, when they aren’t needed to pick up a errant pass-rusher.

by SteelersVT on Sep 29, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup - Parker is catching what's thrown his way

As is everyone else on the team.

Even with the Ben-Santonion connection not working, Ben is the most accurate QB in the league after three games…..

Yes Blitz MORE accurate than Drew Brees.
Yes Blitz MORE attempts than Drew Brees as well.

Ben has completed 71.6 percent of his passes through three weeks.

If you take out Holmes from those stats Ben would be around 80%.

by SteelerBuddha on Sep 29, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't agree with that point ...

if we look at the culprits over the first 3 games I haven’t noticed any rookies hurting the team but I have seen:
- our veteran WR (Ward) fumble inside the 5 yard line against the Titans which could have cost us the game
- our veteran kicker miss 2 FG’s in a loss to the Bears
- our veteran WR (Holmes) run the wrong route in Sunday which resulted in a pick 6 and got the Bengals back in the game
- our second yr WR (I can’t bare to even write his name ..arhhggg) drop a sure touchdown (again !)
- our veteran safety get beat for a couple TD’s in Chicago
- our veteran MLB not cover the FB on 4th & 10 on Sunday
- our veteran WR (Holmes) dropping as many as he catches over the past 2 games

I mean I don’t want to throw anyone under the bus for individual mistakes / plays, etc because things happen and you have to overcome .. but I don’t see the rookies making the mistakes that are costing us games .. its players who should know better …

by Rash92 on Sep 29, 2009 6:31 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Very well said

I think we could add to that list
-our veteran CB who picked up penalties on consecutive plays on special teams
-our veteran QB who has twice taken a sack that drove us out of field goal range
-our entire offensive line failing to punch it in repeatedly inside the red zone.
-our coaching staff taking interesting, but ultimately bad gambles
many others that I am blanking on at the moment…..
Agree with you that this needn’t be a moanfest, but let’s be honest – the Steelers are dying of self-inflicted wounds these days.

by SteelerBuddha on Sep 29, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is somewhat of a transitional year....

Tomlin meant it when he said this team is not the defending Super Bowl champions because that team isn’t here any more. This is a new team.

The Steelers defense was on the cusp of getting too old, and there were other problems. They seem to have had a very deep draft.

Tomlin knew he had a head case or two (Mendenhall seems to be one), and didn’t want to repeat Chuck Noll’s mistake of sticking with all his veterans too long, or Cowher’s mistake of resting on his laurels after winning the Trophy. So he shook up the roster and made this team considerably younger.

That said, it’s been the veterans – especially ‘Tone and Skippy and Lemonass – who have failed. Holmes has a case of “slippy” hands in Chicago and had his head up his ass last week. But he has a history of coming back with ferocity after he messes up. Ben and the Coach covered for him after two miserable weeks. He’ll be fine.

Reed missed one in pre-season, two in Chicago, and one last week. He had excuses for all of them (either more than 45 yards and bad weather), but he’s been an all-weather, no excuses kicker. He screwed up in the off-season, and if he doesn’t get his head screwed on in a hurry, he’ll be working the night shift at Sheetz in New Alexandria, cooking up delicious Schmiscuits for the congenitally inebriated.

Lemonass lost his number three WR job to Wallace, and if he doesn’t learn to catch the football, he’ll have a ticket out of town on the Willie Reid Express.

Sure, the Tank whiffed on a couple of blocks and Wallace has made a mistake or two among an otherwise brilliant body of work, but it’s the vets who are screwing up.

I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson

by Homer J. on Sep 29, 2009 8:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

rookies doing ok

Homer’s right. This is a transitional year. We have an aging d-line who appeared to get tired towards the end of the game allowing crucial rushing yds we couldn’t afford and a weak pass rush. I’d like to see Ziggy play more to keep the line fresh.
Wallace has outplayed Sweed but I think they are playing Sweed to see if he can be productive. He should be released.
Logan is a necessity. Since Randle El left, our return game has been pathetic and Logan has shown he can get yards. It is only a matter of time before he takes one the distance.
The 2008 draft can almost be called a complete bust. No contributions to speak of and I think the Steelers were expecting that class to contribute significantly by now.
The rookies playing now are going to be crucial to saving this season. Especially Wallace, Logan and Hood

by qwikdoc on Sep 29, 2009 9:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

dixon is contributing too

unless you’re willing to go without the 3rd QB

by acrollet on Sep 29, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bad teams rebuild. Great teams transition.

The Steelers are transitioning. The rookies are stepping up.

I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson

by Homer J. on Sep 29, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Every year is a transitional year for every team in the NFL

Gone are the days of 10-15 year careers. 4-6 years average now, which means at any given time you are turning over 15-20% of your roster. Blame salaries, blame free agency, whatever. The Steelers have had far better skill than most teams in the draft. So it is to be expected that new young quality players are always coming up.

The issues here aren’t about youth. The issues here are about intensity, maybe fitness, hunger, the letdown following a Super Bowl year, coaching……something has to change. Someone has to step up and raise some hell in the locker room. Someone has to be Mean Joe, or the Bus and tell it like it is, and kick some hind ends into gear.

There are some execution issues that really need to be addressed:

1) Anyone else notice that the Steelers NEVER cause opponents to go offsides? Know why? Because there is no trickery. I don’t care what Ben does with his cadence, all you have to do is watch for Hartwig to lift his head one second before he snaps it and you know when it’s going to happen.

2) Do the Steelers remember how to do a play-action pass anymore? How about a trap? Ben sure does the double pump effectively, but Bruce Ariens offences lack imagination.

3) You know Ben’s handoffs where he holds the ball 4ft out from his body to put it in the belly of the running back? Of course, so do the opponents, it’s a dead give away for the run. No one getting faked out there? Maybe Ben could fake it once in a while, oh wait, that’s a play action pass.

4) Does Bruce Ariens know anything about mis-direction plays?

5) If you make a good play on defence one in ten attempts, should you REALLY do a little demonstration for your own ego? How about a demonstration each time you screw up a play? You know, just to keep it balanced? There’s no “I” in “team”, but there is in “win”.

Don’t get me wrong here, the Steelers do alot of things right. But they could do some other things even better. Simple things. Winning things.

Thanks for letting me spout off! (like you coulda stopped me anyway! LOL)

by Rans on Sep 29, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you for #3

I have noticed this and commented on a few posts about it. Just one of those things that looks so awkward it drives me crazy. What ever happened to a quick pitch? I truly think that is at least part of the problem with the running game because A. it is so obvious and B. It takes him to freakin’ long to hand off. They need to figure something out there. Wait maybe BA being the magician that he is, has a grand scheme to pull out a play action(just once mind you) at the most opportune time of the season. Sorry, I don’t usually like to bang on the coaches but BA just needs to go. I would be more comfortable with Ben calling all the plays than having BA calling them. His theories are just flawed.

by DarinS on Sep 29, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good comments Rans

Agree with all of your points. I like the passing game that Arians has installed. The run game shows little imagination. Poor O-line run blocking is a factor in misdirection plays but here have been some nice trap blocks, as in the long Mendenhall run. The lack of play action is a mystery. The absence of pitchouts to take advantage of Parker’s speed or Mendenhall’s ability in space is a mystery. We have two receivers in Holmes and Wallace who have great running ability and could be used on reverses. But this team has to pass first and Ben has been on target most of the year except when the rain came down in Chicago. Things are not that bad overall, just some execution issues that will get ironed out.

by steeler.lifer on Sep 30, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and on the Logan roster spot issue...

Anyone else notice that he is also on the kick-off team? And he is typically one of the first ones to the ball EVERY time? I don’t know the stats, but he has to have at least 3-4 kickoff return tackles……and he is also a running back, like Daryl Sprowles. Ariends will figure that out eventually.

by Rans on Sep 29, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Logan is a weapon they need to figure out how to use

I’ve said from Day One they need to watch film of how San Diego uses Darren Sproles and put together a pkg for Logan in that way.

by datruth4life on Sep 29, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

C. Davis signed, Tank Summers placed on IR

http://www.steelers.com/article/111251/

Well, hopefully Tank can use this year to learn the offense, his assignments as well as how to block.

by datruth4life on Sep 29, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Welcome back C. Davis, we are shocked you didn’t find a job in the meantime!

Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL

by steelguy99 on Sep 29, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever you do, coach ...

don’t bring Redman back to the active roster. Then you might just have to admit that you were wrong.

by Billy52 on Sep 29, 2009 11:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs


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