BTSC Steelers Daily Six Pack- Chicken Little Edition
IX-If you were to accidentally stumble upon BTSC not knowing anything about the Pittsburgh Steelers you might actually get the feeling that Mike Tomlin is an idiot, our GM can't do his job either since he drafted a complete bust of a draft class in 2008, our Wide Receivers are awful, our defense is the worst in the league, and the franchise is in shambles. So since our season is clearly over and we have no shot for 2009 why don't you take a look at Scout.com's listing of the top prospects in the 2010 draft. It's never too early to start speculating on which offensive tackle the Steelers won't take in the upcoming draft.
X-One of my favorite segmants right now is Pittsburgh Sports and Mini-Ponnies feature "Great Moments In Unlicensed Pittsburgh Sports Merchandise" and I had to feature today's edition because I submitted a few of my Unlicensed products including today's Polamalu Shirt. It truly is hilarious some of the junk people try to pass off as Steelers merchandise. I think a large majority of the products are bought by the elderly or people who just don't plain know any better. Support the Steelers by buying official products.
XIII-Here is Ed Bouchette's chat transcript. I am not going to bother to comment on it much, but I guess I have decided to lobby the post-gazette to actually hire somebody who is interested in the chats or to stop them altogether. Example of why I dread reading them is below.
JMF213: Ed, seeing how Steeler Nation has been turned upside down, can you lengthen your chats to an hour? They are very calming.
Ed Bouchette: I'd like to shorten them, to tell you the truth.
XIV-Here is the transcript of Mike Tomlin's Tuesday press confrence where he revealed some injury information and expressed his concerns with Limas Sweed. One question revolved around Limas Sweed and whether Mike Tomlin would consider benching him in favor of veteran Shaun McDonald. Tomlin's answer was simply, "absolutely." I will say this, Ed Bouchette and others are reporting that Sweed will be benched in favor of McDonald, but Tomlin was only saying he would absolutely consider benching Sweed, not that he was absolutely benching him. Time will tell but a pessimist could easily infer that Sweed has played his last game in black and gold.
XL-Stfan Logan is the number four kick returner in the league in terms of average yards per return and is in the top ten in total kick return yards, longest individual kick return, and kick and punt return yards. Blitzburgh and the rest of the Logan haters have me confused because I don't really think Isaac Redman or whomever else you are going sign to the roster will produce the consistent impact on the team, not to mention he is a home-run threat every time he touches the ball. Oh ya and he has looked very solid in coverage as a gunner.
XLIII-Carey Davis has been re-signed by the Steelers after injuries to David Johnson (High Ankle Sprain) and Frank "The Tank" Summers have left the Steelers a little weak at fullback going into Sunday's match-up against the Chargers. My thought is Frank "The Tank" Summers will be put on the Injured Reserve list for the rest of the year to free up a spot for Davis.
UPDATE:- Reports are coming in that Frank Summers was placed on Injured Reserve, which ends his season. Not a very durable "Tank" if you ask me.
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haha thanks.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 29, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I enjoyed that as well DYMS
you have a way with words, brother
by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Sep 29, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm with you!
Ed Bouchette is not my favorite guy in the press covering the Steelers. They need to give his Steelers press credentials to someone who wants to report on the Steelers and is interested in the fans who are paying his salary. I mentioned this in one of my rambles: Reporters like Bouchette are the reason papers are failing and writers like Frank Walker are why blogs are taking over. And, writers like Bouchette make me not sorry about the demise of the news paper.
I liked the sentiment of the last sentance in the first paragraph. I find I don’t pay as much attention to good college linemen as I did last year. What’s the point? We’re probably going to draft another tight end in the first round this year.
I think you took my sarcasm the wrong way although that is certainly one interpretation. I was actually being sarcastic about all the complaining about how the Steelers won’t draft an offensive linemen in the first round. In the past few years the offensive lineman haven’t been there for them to take, other players have, to me it’s as plain and simple as that. The front office (let’s forget 2008 for now) has been pretty solid in building this franchise and I respect their decisions until this ship gets way off course. Plus who the hell am I to complain, I’m not part of the committee that makes those decisions.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 29, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of sarcasm
Not to be contrary, but I kind of like Ed Bouchette’s sometimes. Sure he’s a bit an arrogant jab of a pin sometimes but I still kind of find his deflections funny. Especially in light of some the absurd stuff that fans say I also think a ton of the people who sign in to the chat know this and provoke this type of back and forth from him.
Just one fan’s opinion.
On the other hand I did not like Ron Cook’s article about the 08 draft class. I thought it was hyperbolic and unnecessary. W
by SteelerBuddha on Sep 29, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
How come you didn’t talk about Big Ben hosting WWE Monday Night Raw? Yes, hosting Raw. I am glad his mind is on stupid wrestling shows rather than getting you guys to a winning record. Go Ben.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
ya forgot….probably should be up there….oh well.
Your quarterback has a uni-brow….
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 29, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah what’s the deal with throwing the ball?
He’s not showing me that he even knows how to hand off to the running back, he keeps missing and throwing downfield.
Does he even know the gameplan?
by Phantaskippy on Sep 29, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
*sigh*
The team will be just fine..it’s early. Remember the eagles beat us last year?? BAD. And who would have thought the Cardinals would have made it to playoffs let alone the Super Bowl…and I doubt any Steelers fan thought at the beginning of last season we would be champs…so that said, they’ll get it together…or so I hope.
And if not, well, I’m still a Steelers fan.
I actually find Ed Bouchette kind of entertaining. I always giggle over his chat transcripts – though I never participate. I think he’s just got a dry sense of humor and yeah, he probably doesnt like doing stuff the paper makes him do (chat) but whatever. That’s why we have our blogs to support and read, right?
As for drafting…ugh. 2008 is a bust, but every other year seems to be solid. And hell, it’s better than the Redskins lol.
DYMilkshake – I am a Redman supporter, but not for special teams purposes…more for that 3rd down back role…or maybe he could be a FB? Could he transition to that role? I dunno…just saying.
Just hoping for one in the win column….
And shouldn’t Malor be over on the Ravens site gloating or something…instead he’s hanging out here…you know, with the “losers” – I’m starting to think he really likes us. Maybe he’s a closet Steelers fan. Bet he’s even wearing black and gold underwear lol.
Steelergurl
I haven’t checked, but I strongly suspect that Malor is engaged in heavily amoral gloating on beatdown. He is just a good multi-tasker. I know I’d feel pretty good about my team if they were 3-0 and the ravens were 1-2.
Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL
Bored in my 3 hour Criminal Justice class. I have done enough gloating. Love the Steelers being ranked in the bottom half of most power rankings and us at the top. It is not going to be long before you guys are fighting with us, once Troy gets back. So for now, I will enjoy that Steeler Nation is miserable and Ratbirdland is happy pappy.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
"Bored in my 3 hour Criminal Justice class"
so you make us bored with your worthless ramblings?
eh, at least you aren’t just repeating some tired ebonics laced team chant in every post.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Sep 29, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm really impressed.
I totally expected your posts to crap all over us, and yet you’re almost pining for the Steelers to turn it around. As if you NEED them to be terrific and need the banter.
Bet it’s not as much fun going after the Browns and Bungles fans, is it?
I'm a realist
Do I want to see you guys go 1-15 at this point? Of course I do. But I have seen what you guys are capable of (winning a superbowl) and think you guys are going to bounce back. The Ravens and Steelers are the two toughest teams in the league, and I find it highly unlikely that a 1-2 start says anything about what you guys can do.
Plus, I would like for you guys to be competitive so we can beat you 3 times this year without having to hear excuses that you guys were not on point this year and yada yada.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Yea they suck
Browns hate me and I have had 3 accounts banned from their blog. Its fun to talk smack to a team that wins more than a team that loses, cause someone will actually come back at me. Browns guys just told me to F’ off and banned me. Don’t really mess with the Bengals too much, I don’t have a problem with them like I do the Browns and especially you guys.
; )
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Matter of perspective
when you think about it. The Browns and Ravens should be natural rivals, the history and all, and yet the Browns are run so poorly, there’s really no fun in picking on them. The Bengals manage to get it going every so often, but there’s no consistency there.
The Steelers need the Ravens, and vice-versa, to keep each other on their toes. Fans too of course.
So, even though it pains me, I will behave and congratulate you and your guys on three strong games. The Ravens absolutely look like the best team at the moment and I hope you enjoy beating up on Brady this weekend. Just keep the top spot warm for us, we’re coming to get it back.
It's a long season
And the Ravens are one injury away from becoming one dimensional. Heap stays injured so he doesn’t count. But If Mason misses significant time this year, they’ll have to lean on their running game a lot.
Seeing as the o-line is improving with every game, we should be relatively fine if the injury bug hits us on offense. And if Sweed didn’t have the mental toughness of a wet paper towel, then we would be very explosive.
We play our best football when it gets cold outside.
by StoneColdSteel on Sep 29, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
That is very precise if We had Limas Sweed playing at his best
We can for shure open up all opposite D´s on their toes b/c they never have enough people to stop our WR´s, mostly w Hines, Tone in good shape, Wallace and Heath, they were forced “to choose their venom” w Sweep (w/o balls in both ways) We all are sweeping over. Xcuse t french.
O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.
by YeOldeMexFan on Sep 30, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
dawgs, hate to break it to ya
but the Patriots will beat the Ravens Sunday
by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Sep 30, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
The patriots have looked pretty putrid.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
I'm hoping so.
But the Ravens have looked awfully good so far. The Chargers are not a cheap win, especially on the road.
We need to win, and need help from the Pats to keep the Ravens from gaining any more separation.
We play the chargers at home.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 30, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
thought that might of been whatcha meant…wasn’t sure
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Oct 1, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Browns fans are a unique bunch.
My best Browns story was an interview I saw with “Big Dog” from the dog pound, the really heavy guy with the dog mask.
They asked him his favorite memories from the old stadium. His Answer:
1. The Drive. His team loses to John Elway.
2. Turkey Jones hurts Terry Bradshaw.
I was stunned. The best you have from a lifetime of going to your games is a drive to beat your team and somebody getting hurt? Not a single positive memory worth listing there?
That’s the Browns.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 29, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
and we ummm, yeah...
I guess we like you around too….ok fine. you can hang out.
three hour classes? yuck…
Steelergurl
Deja Vu All Over Again
Last year at this time it was the Phildaelphia loss that gave us that Game Three Jolt. The bas news this year is that we are 1-2 instead of 2-1. The good new is that we are barely losing instead of getting blown out (Philly)…
I don’t believe the Steelers will have the hangover of 2006, and not because of Ben’s status. There’s a saying that if you’re thinking about retiring, you’re already retired. We had a coach who in 2006 was thinking about retiring. Our coach now is young and relentless. There’s the difference this year…
How many of you kept seeing Larry Brown of the Cowboys when Joseph picked off that pass?…
When you win a Super Bowl, and two in four years, your opponents all think you are the Taj Mahal on their schedule, especially in their house. That can change a three-point win into a three-point loss. That fine line again in the NFL…
I think the Steelers will adjust the defense a bit to tighten up a bit. It’s good to avoid the long play, but getting killed slowly is sometimes worse….
With the Tank on the IR, why didn’t we bring up Isaac Redman? I don’t understand that…
I love the NFL…Where else can the defensinf champion look so vulnerable? We better adjust, just like everyone else. I think we will do so…
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
With the Tank on the IR, why didn’t we bring up Isaac Redman? I don’t understand that…
We need a fullback so we can watch someone suck at their job.
Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL
by steelguy99 on Sep 29, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That is the best comeback you have ever written
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 29, 2009 5:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
fullback
there’s a steelers fan at my neighborhood bar (in FL) that really should get a job as a steeler’s coach. He’s just so knowledgeable and has a remedy to every problem (sarcasm). Last year this guy would not shut up about the fullback and Arians.
So I’m watching the ben-gals marching down the field to win the game on Sunday. All I could think about was how hard it would be to get through this week with three losses in a row (Steelers-PSU-Steelers). I NEEDED this win. I was literally shaking and chain smoking watching this like it was the end of the Superbowl. One idiot next to me is waiving his Terrible Towel across the bar at the Bears fans (Bears fans! The team that just beat us! The team that was about to win their game this week while we lose! IDIOT!) and the other guy on my left is just rambling on about the fullback on and on…. And then Carson hits his receiver and we lose. I was out the door in 2 seconds.
Ok this was a completely worthless rant but I feel a little better now.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Dan Kreider would have intercepted that pass.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 29, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
carey davis signed
Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)
by Michael Bean on Sep 29, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
you know it's bad news
when we’re happy the Davis is re-signed. Not that I hated him or anything, but geeze.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
IR is a good place for the Tank
he can study the play book and all of that. Maybe he will be useful in a year.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
I'll take a stab at that question
Watching Redman carry the ball, I think he stands upright and he bounces off people. He’s got terrific balance. His style made for some entertaining plays when he took the ball near the endzone. As long as the defense doesn’t wrap him up, he just bounces like a pinball from defender to defender until he finds his way across the line. At least, that’s what I saw from him in the preseason.
That is not what we want in a fullback. We want someone who lays a hit on people and makes them move, not a guy who ricochets around the line. He’s got the body, but not the right set of skills.
Cowher in 2006, Larry Brown replay
Good point about Cowher. I will say this though; he turned the team around in the second half of the season. It may have been his pride stepping up, but if he had his foot so out the door as we suspect, I wouldn’t expect the team to finish strong. But, I think you’re right that Tomlin is more motivated. I think that Cowher had been chasing that ring for Mr. Rooney so long that he took a while to get his focus back.
Yes, I did think that looked very much like the Larry Brown picks in SBXXX. It also made me think, as I did then, that this time the blitz was picked up, and maybe Ben should have pump faked and waited a second. Oh well.
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Sep 29, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, he should have thrown the ball sooner. Before the snap. Catch them off guard.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 29, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess my answer to why not bring up Redman is that the last roster cut didn’t come down to Redman vs Summers as all the fans wanted, but rather Summers vs Carey Davis. Redman just doesn’t have a spot on this roster without a significant injury to Moore, Parker, or Mendenhall.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 29, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Blah
Reshard better do something impressive for me….and quick.
Otherwise, I am voting on him being a bust too….
Mewlede is the most consistent we’ve got…you know you will get average to above average every damn time….
the rest? crap shoot.
Steelergurl
I'm with you on that
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
that philly game was brutal
but not only is it week 3, there are still 2 months! before the Steelers play the Ravens.
every tiny moment in the nfl is enlarged and extrapolated out to the season’s end. The nfl releases the regular season schedule long before opening kickoff. And folks want to similarly set in stone the postseason schedule long before the regular season ends.
That’s not how it works. Good teams struggle, great teams struggle and rebound.
The plays are there.
The breaks aren’t. And you need breaks to go 12-4.
Obviously, if Limas catches that TD, that’s an additional 7. And if Wallace has an extra yard on the sideline on that bomb, that’s an extra 4. At that point, the Bengals would have been dispirited and the game would have been over. But, it wasn’t, and plays started going the other way.
This team is too close to 3-0 to be considered bad…and maybe the best thing is for everyone to start writing them off. Less pressure, more fire. And these kind of breaks are going to happen at some point in the season, so I guess its best they happen now…not later on. And if the team would have started out with a huge win streak, complacency would have definitely set in…and that’s when something horrible happens (ask Plax and the Giants last year). So lets get the hard part over now, and move forward.
The Colts had a bad start after they won, right? Then bounced back because they still had proven winners on the team. Well, the Steelers have just as many proven winners. So they’ll hopefully get it turned around.
And...
I’m not ready to give up on Sweed. He is getting open on these plays, and to have a big guy that can do that is rare. It seems like the kind of situation where he is going to just have to catch one of these big passes and then it will all get back to normal in his head.
Maybe he really does have bad hands, but this seems to be more a case of nerves than anything else. There’s no reason to get rid of him when you don’t have another viable option. Maybe don’t have him out there in the pressure situations, but he needs to be out there at some point to put these demons to rest (maybe when—or if—there is ever a game in hand).
I swear, one more chance, please
I guarantee he catches the next TD. Its that simple. He caught this one. He just lost focus at the end when he hit the ground. He got happy too fast.
He’s totally fixable and if we let him go he’s gonna go somewhere else and get it done.
i agree with this
but a few games cooling his heels might do wonders for his focus. he’ll get his chance, the chance of all four WRs staying healthy all season is about nil…
He’s Nate Washington all over again. Catches in traffic, catches when he’s getting creamed, drops a wide open TD. He may never be a number 1, but if he can catch 50% of the balls he should he’ll be a dang good 4th. 60-75% and he’ll be a serious threat.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 29, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Except
that Nate wouldn’t have been that open, so when the defender knocked the ball out of his hands, we just say it was good defensive play.
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Sep 30, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Temporary Setback
The spoiled Steeler Nation. We lost 2 games in a row and we want blood. I think everyone here realizes the Steelers will bounce back and contend for the playoffs. We are used to a certain type of football played by our team and we haven’t seen alot of that recently. We don’t like to see our offense trying to emulate the Colts unless there’s a W at the end of the game. We don’t like to see our defense giving up yards on the ground in the 4th quarter, or any quarter for that matter. We’ll be fine. A good ass whipping of the Chargers is just what we need.
Of course, it’s still fun to piss and moan after losses so keep it up. It makes for good entertainment.
Sweed does not have bad hands
If the preseason was any indicator, Sweed can clearly catch the ball. His mental state, however, is questionable at best. He can catch a pass one – handed while landing on his head; but when it comes to being wide open on a deep post route he’ll drop it everytime.
We are beating ourselves people. As soon as we get out of our own way, we’ll be fine.
It’s hard to point to proof that he won’t dropl it every time…since he has dropped it every time with the Steelers. But do you really believe that or do you think it is just a hurdle he has to get over by making a few deep catches?
I mean, I’m sure he’s made that catch at Texas and before. He’s just gotta break that mental block.
I still maintain that players from that school (Texas) are not as mentally tough
I know I shouldn’t label an entire school as mentally soft, but the amount of guys in this league from Texas that have struggled supports my rant. I just don’t think we should take anymore chances on UT players unless we know that guy is a tough SOB.
And Logan will pay off sooner than later. We should be patient with him. Isn’t this his first year in the league or am I mistaken?
by StoneColdSteel on Sep 29, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I went to TX A&M, so I definitely root against every former Texas player (unless they are on the Steelers). And I have noticed an inordinate amount of flops from that school in the last decade…though I don’t like to be the one to point it out.
I guess it started with Ricky Williams (though he has had a decent career, he’s not met expecations) and continued to other high profile guys like Ced Benson and VY.
But they put out so many players, that some have to hit. I was/am hoping that Sweed would not have as much pressure not being a huge star there and not having to be a #1 or #2 right away. But he has definitely let me down. But I think he can turn it around, and like I said, he is getting open…which should be the toughest part.
funny thing is
cedric benson is looking pretty decent now, and VY is probably about to get a second chance…
Well...
wasn’t he drafted in the past decade? They’ve definitely had some players…I’m not denying them everything. But if you think about their most recent stars, they really haven’t lived up to the hype.
VY
Benson
Roy Williams
Chris Simms
Derek Williams
Nate Vashar
Quentin Jammer
Those are the guys you think of when you think UT football over the past 10 years. And none have been anything great in the NFL. Silver lining is, they have had some under the radar guys do just fine, like Aaron Ross, etc. So I’m hoping that Sweed will do just fine.
Wasn't Griffin from the Titans secondary from UT?
by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Sep 30, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Vasher has actually been pretty good when healthy
And I think Orakpo is a tough dude. But the rest of them are average.
by StoneColdSteel on Sep 30, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Casey Hampton
… was drafted in 2001. I went to high school with Justin Blalock, RG for the Falcons, and he is doing quite well. Quentin Jammer is a very good CB, Nate Vasher isn’t too bad. Chris Simms had his spleen burst. As they mentioned also, Michael Griffin is pretty decent. Michael Huff for the Raiders, I would need to watch play again. Shaun Rogers was a Pro Bowler last year. Both Bo Scaife and Jermichael Finley, the young TE in GB, also.
No, I am not a UT fan, Penn State actually, and you could criticize their lack of success at the next level as much. Either way, I ripped into the silly Bengals fan for generalizing, and it needs to be consistent I guess.
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
Michael Huff has really struggled with the Raiders and he isn’t even a starter at this point. I would say for a first round draft pick he is considered a bust at this point, although it is the Raiders and god knows what he could be doing somewhere normal.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Oct 1, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I see your point...
…and I concede that they have had players succeed. There’s no way a school with that much talent will not have guys succeed. That’s not really my point.
My point is that the guys who were marquee names while at Texas have not really lived up to their billing. Sure, Vasher and Jammer have been starting corners for a while, but have either made a pro-bowl. And sure Rodgers and Hampton are forces, but were they really getting a lot of pub at Texas…probably not b/c they were linemen. Same for Justin Blalock…he’s good but not great and he wasn’t really someone you think of when you think of Texas NFLers. Additionally, there was a guy by the name of Mike Williams (HUGE MAN) that went to the Bills and was supposed to be a hall of fame OG…but totally busted. I would argue that he was a bigger name at Texas than guys like Blalock. The jury is still out on Scaife and Finley…they’re good but no one would put them in the upper eschelon of TEs. And I’m sorry, but Chris Simms was not good before he got hurt.
I’m also not really saying guys from Texas can’t have NFL careers. I’m saying that the huge names in their program have not become huge names in the NFL recently (for whatever reason). We’re talking Chris Simms, VY, Benson, Roy Williams, etc. Out of all those big name college players, they’ve had what, maybe 2 pro-bowls (and VY’s was not deserved)?
So I take your point that they have had some really successful guys like Hampton and Rogers, but those guys were not high profile players at high profile positions at UT. Which, IMO, bodes well for Sweed, who was not as big a name at Texas as a guy like Roy Williams was.
Logan Not Valuable Enough
Sorry, like I said in the previous post, Logan is too teeny to be a help in the punt return department. Sure, it’s great to have him return kick-offs but that doesn’t make him worthy of a roster spot. As to his ST contributions I’m sure whoever takes his place will be just as valuable if not more.
But as a punt returner he’s been one of the worst in the NFL. averaging 6.7 yards. He’s so small it’s no wonder he calls for a fair catch over half the time. He’s one direct hit from certain death, so I understand.
Is he worth keeping on the team just for his kickoff abilities? I don’t think so.
if you take out his fair catches his punt return average is very high.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 29, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
No a fair catch has a lot to do with the coverage on a play and the the hang-time on a punt, not necessarily the punt-returner. Would I like to see Logan return a few more punts rather than fair catch them? Sure, but that is also part of the reason punt returners have a short shelf life and why punt returners like Santonio and even the “immortal” Randle-El have/had fumbling issues.
When he has actually returned the punts he has looked as electric as he has on kick returns.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 29, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Furthermore
Let’s look at the teams we went against and their punting so far.
Tennessee: 17 punts, 2 TB, 3 in20, 6 returns, 12.7 per return
Vs. Pitt: 5 punts, 2 in20, 1 return, 11 yards per return.
But Hentrich, the punter we faced wasn’t getting torched by the Jets last week, Hentrich’s stats:
10 punts, 0TB, 3 in20, 3 returns, 8.3 per return.
Hentrich was having a great start, Logan got one good return off, Hentrich punted great. Can’t hold that against him.
Chicago: 14 punts, 0 TB, 5 in20, 10 returns, 5.3 per return
Vs. Pitt: 6 punts, 1 in20, 6 returns, 6 per return
Chicago gives up nothing on returns. Logan’s 19 yarder is the longest they’ve given up and the other two games totaled 17 return yards on 4 returns, in 8 punts. Logan didn’t fair catch and he did better than anyone else has done against them right now. The fumble is the negative here, and it’s not a small one.
Cincinatti: 16 punts, 2 TB, 8 in20, 3 returns, 5.7 per return
Vs. Pitt: 5 punts, 1 TB, 1 in20, 0 returns, NA
Look at those numbers, 3 returns in 16 punts, and a total of 17 yards on those three. 8 inside the 20. The punter averaged 40.8 on those punts, with no return that means short punts. Logan was taken out of the game.
Logan hasn’t wowed, but he also hasn’t had much of a chance. We’ve had really good punt coverage for the Steelers, and we’ve played two teams that are ranked better than us right now, and a third whose back up punter sucked, but the guy we faced is great and played great that day.
Next up:
San Diego is lower ranked, but hasn’t had to punt much. Logan’s kick returns should be more valuable here unless we manage to shut the Chargers down, then he’ll get a good chance to show his talent.
Detroit is solid at punting so far, 50% Fair catches, and 7 yards a return against, but there should be plenty of punts coming Logan’s way, let’s hope the blockers give him some looks.
Cleveland isn’t doing as hot, giving up yards, returns and getting 3 TB’s (although 7 in20 to go with that). Logan will hopefully be running around on Punt Returns all day.
The next three weeks will give a much better chance to judge Logan than what he has seen so far. We’ve faced some top punting units, let’s see what he does against soe lesser opposition.
by Phantaskippy on Sep 29, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes a fair catch is the right thing to do. It doesn’t matter if your Stefan Logan or Adrian Peterson; if you’re standing on the 12 and 4 guys are about to pancake your ass, now’s the time to call a fair catch.
So far, Logan hasn’t made serious mistakes with his fair catches. So, yeah, he should be graded based on what he does when a good play is possible, not when it would be stupid to even try. It should be the same with other PR/KR guys.
Disagree entirely.
I am with DYMS on this one, I think Logan is a great addition. Outside of the occasion return by Holmes, how long has it been since we’ve had a legit return guy? Do I dare go back to Woodson? Probably not that far, at least I don’t think…or I don’t hope….
Logan has me excited on our returns – he’s going to break one soon – and on coverage.
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by WVPiratesfan on Sep 30, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right. Let's get rid of Logan so we can have another hole to fill
Are the Logan haters insane? Or are you actually closet Steeler haters? Word to the wise, when a player is doing his job at a high level, you don’t cut him! Logan made the roster as a returner, and as a returner he is better than anything we have had in many years. Did you expect him to break one for a TD every game? Tell me who you plan on bringing in that is going to get us wins in Logan’s absence. The guy is a weapon, he has proven himself as such. Leave him alone, and find an actual weakness on our roster that needs to be addressed!
13 years and no playoff wins for the Dallas Cowboys... SWEET!
by idiscgolftexas on Sep 29, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
he made two good tackles on ST last week if i'm not mistaken
logan is far from a problem or a waste of a roster spot… and put it this way – allen rossum showed nothing and kept a spot for a year, so logan will certainly stick unless he starts coughing up the ball.
Not saying he's bad
I’m just saying that he isn’t very good at returning punts and I don’t think he’s worth keeping around simply b/c he’s good at kick returns. As for his special teams contributions, Carey Davis is four times the ST player and I haven’t exactly heard elaborate defenses for him.
Obviously, if we have no one better to fill his roster spot let’s keep him.
There has not been a single Logan fair catch that was a bad decision or evidence that “he isn’t very good at returning punts”. You have to fair catch the ball when the punt is a high one and the opponent is about to blast you away if you don’t. You also have to fair catch it if you are inside the 15-10 yard line so that it does not bounce towards the goal line (and usually in those cases it was short field and the coverage is right there to tackle him.
I say that Logan has shown, in just three games, that he is an asset and not a liability.
We shouldn’t even be dicussing him. There are a lot of other problems to tackle. Logan is not one of them.
It all starts in the trenches.
by The_Nation_in_Mexico on Sep 29, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Have your cake and eat it too
Right now, the Steelers have Logan and Carey Davis. What’s the point in arguing whose worth a roster spot. I think everyone will agree Logan and Davis (although none of us, including me, wanted to admit it in training camp) are better than an ailing Frank Summers.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Sep 29, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Apologies
I just noticed the numerous grammatical, spelling, and syntax errors in the previous post.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Sep 29, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair Catches
Oh no. Logan has had at least two that were poor choices. Obviously, he’s teeny so I’d rather him play it safe than get snapped in half and lose the ball.
Drinky expressed confusion about why some aren’t enthralled by the itsy-bitsy returner, I’m just giving the reasons why some of us feel that way.
Also, Davis had one less punt return last year than Logan has had, but he has over twice as much yardage. Just FYI.
who? carey davis returned punts last year?
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 29, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Davis didn’t return any punts last year and Logan has a better average than even Holmes last season according to profootballreference.
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by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 29, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
oops I’m wrong Logan is only averaging 5.2 per punt this season to Holmes 6.6, although if Logan breaks one for 35 yards (which was Holmes’ long last season, and you’re crazy if you don’t think he will break one at least that long this season, his average will shoot up quiet quickly.)
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 29, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole argument that Logan is too small to be a kick returner is ridiculous. There have been plenty of undersized returners that have done well. He’s about the same size as Sproles and so far this year has a better average on KO returns and punt returns than Sproles, who is one of the league’s best return men. DYM, nfl.com has Logan with a 6.7 return average on seven punt returns. The fair catches don’t impact his average. I believe he’s also had a couple of nice returns called back on holding penalties. TV coverage does not always show clearly whether a fair catch is a good idea or not and for sure it doesn’t show if the ball is doing any tricks in the air. A fair catch is never a bad idea if there is any uncertainty. He is the least of the team’s worries at this point and a welcome addition. His ability to contribute on coverage units is a bonus.
by steeler.lifer on Sep 30, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes I agree w most of you guys, Logan is clearly a positive asset,
put him in PS and He´s gone, if He´s not in Claveland or Cincy it for shure goes to AriPitt, and just to bother Us, also We can´t afford to loose any possibility to move the position of our offense ahead and that is the reason d´étre why Logan is having almost for shure His place secured for the year, and Tomlin just throw that He will take any player that have more than one aspect in t game, so that is His word vs someone else´s position. Just imagine as Tomlin maybe thinking, all t D together and good kick returns, and perhaps, Mendy running hard, Who can stop Us? Maybe that is what Tomlin is thinking, also putting Sweed in that equation, that should be great.
O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.
by YeOldeMexFan on Sep 30, 2009 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions
So that´s, Why most of Us are very concern about seen Ra´shon
Harris in Carolina, WTF!!!
O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.
by YeOldeMexFan on Sep 30, 2009 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Who are the two best PR/KRs in recent history?
Dante Hall 5’8 187lbs
Devin Hester 5’11 190lbs
Logan 5’7 185lbs
So what was he saying about him being too small? Not a big difference there.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Sep 30, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
let me get you a spoon
cuz you’ll need it to eat your words when he takes a couple back to the house
Is he worth keeping on the team just for his kickoff abilities?
keeping a guy on our roster so we start out at the opponents 40 sometimes instead of our 20 EVERYtime is worth a roster spot alone. we kept ppl on our roster the past few years for the sole reason of keeping other teams from doing it to us
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XLIII-Carey Davis has been re-signed by the Steelers after injuries to David Johnson (High Ankle Sprain) and Frank “The Tank” Summers have left the Steelers a little weak at fullback going into Sunday’s match-up against the Chargers.
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The Lunatic Fringe
Is alive and well. I remember last year this time when Ben and the offense were being booed in the first half against the Ravens (just like the Bengals this past Sunday) because they couldn’t move the ball. Just a reminder, Super Bowls are neither won or lost in September.
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Sep 29, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions
We could always resign Gary Russell or Najeh Davenport and put them back there
by StoneColdSteel on Sep 29, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Dookie returns!!!
That’d be the day… I really hope the Dookie Door is closed for good.
I would however not mind a Gary Russell sighting.
Bouchette's chat
I love Ed’s droll humor. But the quality of questions is well below what you see on a typical open thread here.
To also reinforce my point; I really enjoy Ed’s sense of humor when he is talking about the Steelers, but what I don’t care for is him bitching about his job. When he is in an open forum with a bunch of fans that would kill for his job, I don’t think he should complain about having to answer questions about the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Outside of that Bouchette is a solid reporter and second to probably Wexell and maybe Lolley he is the man when it comes to the Steeelers.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 29, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions
awww, we spent so much time and energy trying to push Davis out of Pitt
but to no avail………
its the right move, we need him, but I find it ironic.
Recognize that the Steelers have problems
But fortunately they’ve also got a pretty easy schedule this year, so they should make the playoffs. I agree with those who recognize that what we’ve been watching the past three weeks is pretty lame for a defending champ. And I haven’t heard too many people say that the Steelers are finished already as this post implies. Nothing wrong with calling people out when they don’t make the grade. Too much tolerance is a fast and slippery slope to the bottom. Don’t believe me, just ask OchoStinko.
Easy sched doesnt equal playoff birth
You have to remember Baltimore has essentially as easy of a schedule. Therefore, they have just as good a shot at a division win.
Now that puts you in the Wild Card hunt, which Cincy (who again has an easier schedule) is eyeing up. The Pats and Jets are going to be a tight race in that division.
Pittsburgh really needs to focus on cleaning up against its division because a Wild Card race is not where you want to be this year.
by Mechem on Sep 30, 2009 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right now the problem incredibly is our D b/c they are in their heels, against their true north
or true nature that is a D that attacks the other team´s QB´s w/o knowing what to do with the D in front of him, the problem is that maybe We are not rotating enough our players, and for that is that We needed almost all the time someone as Ra´Shon Harris, We are in panic fase w/o knowing that those QB´s have nightmares of Us going relentlesly against them, in this case is that all our D think they can´t w/o Troy in the field. But at this stage is Le´Beau´s risponsability to show them that they can be back at last year level by attacking w/o rest those offensive players and beatting them at every position and play. That is as basic as someone else pointed out before. Let Me put this way just attack, let the other team start feeling that fear of beeing with Us in the same turf, that smell, mostly the backfield and WR´s, that is what We are lacking of. And maybe that is mostly the absence of Troy, but We had been there before and this D can make it work for Us. Its just been more in the game.
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Tomlin's pride
I said it early that Tomlin was an idiot and that he was getting a little to big headed. Wiht his mix messages, talking to much and his clever quotes. I also stated that Tomlin would refuse to believe that Ms. Mendy is a scare RB and Sweed is a unfocus WR. Because of politics,Tomlin’s pride and the fact Ms. Mendy and gator arms Sweed were his fail draft picks, both past or present has not produce anything, these are the facts. If the team has to man up, then so should Tomlin. Swollow his pride, except his failure in those 2 draft picks and stop the fucking politics. Play the people who can contribute to the team. I said before and Im saying it again, they need to give Issac Redman an opportunity, like Wallace to make some plays. If the Steeler do not stop the political BULL SHIT it will cost season. The OL will take the blame, the real truth is the OL is far from the worst. The OL needs a RB to find a hole or a seam sometime . A RB who has good vision and not scare to hit the opening. Truth be told Redman has it, and in the preseason the 1 unit OL looked comfortable with him in the backfield. The OL needs help from the RB as well sometime, they should take some blame, but fuck that not all of it. Redman is a true RB, he can’nt do any worst than Willie or moon walking Ms. Mendy combine. So, Tomlin give your 2 first round draft picks a fucking front row seat, their both WACK and WEAK. Like it or not, The TRUTH Steeler NATION.
I probably should have stopped reading your post after the first nine words. But just FYI, Redman never ran behind the No. 1 OL unit in preseason and never against any team’s No. 1 defense. Also, FYI, the draft is in the hands of Kevin Colbert, not Mike Tomlin. Like it or not, the truth is that you’re an effing idiot.
by steeler.lifer on Sep 30, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
+1
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 30, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Redman is a PS'er
and that is ALL….When you all of you people wake up and realize the truth????
If he had what it takes to make a team, he’d be on one.
by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Sep 30, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
should read "when will"
sorry
by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Sep 30, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
steeler.lifer
Fu@ck you! You ugly a$$ idiot and the rest of you boophoons. Its a bunch of political bull SH%T. I all ready know you are the type that look at things for what it appear to be and not what it is. Have you not learn in your ugly life that the media make things appear to be whatever the fu@ck they want it to be. Ugly ASS! If Ms. Mendy ugly ass was soooooooooooooooooooooo much better his punk ass would have done so by now . That goes for that blind ass gator arms Sweed and your WACK ASS TOO. The only thing running right now is Tomlin’s mouth, not Willie or Punk ass Mendy and Sweed is so wack he couldn’t even catch a fucking court case right now. So shut your ugly ass mouth.
Okay that was pretty funny., all that wack boophoonery.
by steeler.lifer on Sep 30, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
toosoonery
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
Is it really almost noonery?
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Oct 1, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
You're also right about it being political
Again, guess who?
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Sep 30, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
How has your keyboard not committed suicide yet? Your complete lack of grasp of the English language is offensive.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Oct 1, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
for you too, sir, for that awesome post….Collinsworth is infinitely better (of course, anyone would be)
by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Oct 1, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
ugh
Collinsworth makes me want to turn off the sound and pretend I am hearing good commentary.
Steelergurl
by Steelergurl on Oct 1, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
at least he knows what he's talking about
Madden was just a cheerleader who loved kankles
by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Oct 2, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm
Although I totally get what you’re saying, the idea of John Madden in a miniskirt and a sportsbra makes me want to vomit! YUK! Then again, I got used to nausea listening to him, so I guess it’s not really different! Collinsworth is mediocre but anything is better than BOOMman…
unotoo, you are right about one thing
Your post is about an idiot. Guess who?
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Sep 30, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably the dumbest thing ever posted on BTSC
And that includes anything BabeParelli or any Browns fans have said about being good.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Sep 30, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You have one thing in here I can agree with, Sweed and Mendenhall are wack. They really need to work on their game.
But remember how long Jermaine Stephens stuck around, and he was horrible. You don’t just cut a first round pick. They have great talent, and if they take 3 or 4 years to put it together (more likely in Sweed’s case) you don’t want a 6’4" WR who can get open deep to suddenly start catching TD’s for someone else.
Mendy will prove you wrong on Sunday vs. the Chargers
He hasn’t been given a full game yet in the NFL. I trust in the Steelers’ ability to draft in the first round. Go back to the last 8 years and find me a first round bust. Mendy will come through and with FWP’s turf toe and considering what Tomlin did to Mendy last week for not focusing during the week….
And with all that’s been written about last year’s draft being a bust, Mendy will show everybody on national television Sunday night.
I'm glad you're optimistic
But he has done nothing to warrant that confidence. It would be different if he was Caddilac Williams, a guy who is a beast but just can’t stay healthy. But Mendy just seems to not care enough about the game to be a great player. For all those muscles he has, he sure doesn’t know how to use them.
And don’t let me get started on Sweed.
by StoneColdSteel on Sep 30, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions

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