Rambling Thoughts On Casey 'Big Snack' Hampton's Future In Pittsburgh
A few thoughts from me about Casey Hampton and what may or may not happen with his future in Pittsburgh. Firstly, as always, this is conjecture purely from me. I'm just a fan trying to think things through as logically as I can, with no real substantive information whatsoever to speak of guiding me.
Anyway, the common consensus seems to be that the Steelers will slap the franchise tag on nose tackle Casey Hampton this offseason. If so, the Steelers would be the beneficiaries of Hampton's services for one more year before he would become an unrestricted free agent once more at about this time in 2011. The Steelers would have to pay a premium to do so, namely pay him as one of the highest paid defensive tackles in football in what looks more and more likely to be an uncapped year.
So be it. Without Hampton in the fold next year, I don't think the Steelers would have a chance at winning a Super Bowl. He's certainly not the most important factor on the roster - that'd be Big Ben or Troy Polamalu. But still, I think the Steelers have a really nice two to three year window coming up when they should have a legitimate shot at capturing Lombardi Trophy number seven. Hines Ward will be winding down his career, Aaron Smith (should) still be playing at a high level, same with Polamalu and James Harrison. Meanwhile, Big Ben should really be hitting his prime, same with Woodley, Santonio, Timmons, Mendenhall and Heath Miller. And finally, young guys like Ziggy Hood and perhaps even W. Gay, J. Burnett and Keenan Lewis will be better equipped to make important contributions. To me, the time is now to keep the nucleus in tact for this next year at least and hopefully make a run at another championship before a number of stalwart pieces of the roster have to be replaced.
Finally, I'd argue that keeping Hampton around in 2010 with the 'franchise tag' would improve the chances of him signing a more reasonable 2-3 year deal the following offseason. Now, this may be a pipe dream because after all, at the end of the day, money talks and B.S. walks. But I just think that at 33 years of age next spring, Hampton might just say 'forget about starting fresh somewhere else at this stage of my career.' He would be getting a huge windfall in 2010 - not as much as he'd get by signing a longer term deal somewhere else with boatloads of guaranteed money. But I still think he could earn close to $22-$25 million in Pittsburgh this next three to four years. The question then might be, would that be enough in his mind. Who knows, but I do think the Steelers would have a better chance of him passing up a bit more money elsewhere if that decision was made next year rather than in the upcoming months.
I don't think Hampton is the out-of-shape over-the-hill player that some of you do. What I saw this year was a still very, very good rush defense despite A) Aaron Smith being out for much of the year...B) James Farrior not playing at nearly the same level as he has in years past...C) a suspect pass defense that softened up the Steelers commitment to stopping the run...and D) no Troy Polamalu cutting down backs like Ray Rice for 3-4 yard gains rather than big chunks of yardage.
To me, Casey Hampton was a huge part of that relative success. Throw in the fact that the Steelers might get more value out of him next year if they show more of a commitment to running the football on offense. Remember, the defense was out there much more than they've been in recent years because of A) their inability to get off the field on 3rd downs..but also because of B) the offense's feast or famine tendencies that resulted in either quick scores or quick punts. That took its toll on guys like Hampton.
Just some thoughts from me. We know that the Steelers have historically opted not to use the franchise tag on their free agents. It tends to upset guys, particularly those who have been a loyal, hard working part of the team for many years. Reports out of New England are already coming fast and furious about how Vincent Wilfork would be furious if he was franchised. I imagine Hampton might take similar offense. It's a business though and Hampton hasn't exactly had a 100% squeaky clean track record of exerting maximum effort 100% of the year to keep in shape. Anyway, the Steelers did use the transition and franchise tags on Max Stars this past two years, so I wouldn't rule it out as a possibility.
We'll find out what the organization is thinking on the subject soon enough, I suppose.
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I hope we draft a young NT early and keep Hamp for two years. He’s got that much in him.
by Phantaskippy on Jan 28, 2010 8:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The tag seems like a perfect solution for the steelers
It will piss Hampton off, but this business is not about feelings. His window for another payday is real small, and the tag will definately keep him motivated throughout next year
by TrueSteelerForLife on Jan 28, 2010 8:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I fear a pissed off big snack
Can you imagine how big he could get in the off season once tagged? If the Steelers can’t get a new contract, I personally would rather let him go. I like Casey and want him back, but I don’t get a feel he will take a discount or fair money. He wants paid.
by SteelBuckeye on Jan 28, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but he'll have to perform
remeber its a one year contract and he will have to show other teams that he can still do it, to get a big deal the year after
by TrueSteelerForLife on Jan 28, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he doesn't have to perform
take his one year fat contract and sit on it. money in the bank
by klompus on Jan 29, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
About that issue had you seen this reference from bleacher report?
http://bleacherreport.com/tb/a2Fhy
O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.
by YeOldeMexFan on Jan 29, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, nice pic of Snack.
He’s got that “who the heck do you think you’re tagging” expression which is so becoming…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Jan 28, 2010 9:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Really? I thought he was looking at a medium-sized child and saying, “GET IN MY BELLY!”
by Blount Trauma on Jan 28, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're probably right.
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Jan 28, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it looked like
Someone yelled “CHEESEBURGERS!!!” And he is like “Whaaaaaaaaaaaaa?”
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-Bobby Knight
by Johnny_S on Jan 29, 2010 8:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent!
Except I almost choked on my lunch.
by Blount Trauma on Jan 29, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Big Snack in that picture is saying
“Get in my belly!”
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by PixburghArn on Feb 1, 2010 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
id like to sign him to a 3 year deal
it would allow us to wait and get his replacement next year, have the rookie sit for a year, then if the rookie is ready have the two split time, if the rookie isnt ready you still have big snack for another year. i figure snack has at least 2 more good years in him, so by the time he starts to decline we have his replacement ready. seems like the best scenario to me, although the money situation might be tricky
by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 28, 2010 9:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hampton has already said
he’ll hold out if the Steelers tag him. Not sure where, but certain I read that somewhere. That said, I’d love to sign him to a three year deal and let a new draft pick, from next year, learn under him
by mojo88 on Jan 28, 2010 11:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I read somewhere that Big Snack
said he was promised by the organization that he would not be franchised. Also, Art Rooney publicly stated the the line for free agency starts behind Casey. Therefore, I believe a deal will be done prior to free agency. If not, I see us taking Cody at #18 and believe me, this guy can stuff the run like nobody’s business.
by Dr Del on Jan 28, 2010 11:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Terrence Cody is no longer "Mount Cody"
He’s Terrence “Mounds” Cody, named so for his mounds of cellulite, and hooters.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
by SteelFever on Jan 28, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He does need the "Seinfeld" Bro/Manzeer
by Dr Del on Jan 29, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he ought to be concerned about this, especially during training camp. Statistics show 9 out of 10 women suffer severe damage to their breasts due to ill-fitting bras…
by Stillerz Damo on Jan 29, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All he needs is for someone to
get him off that Rex Ryan diet…
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
by SteelFever on Jan 29, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve read that also several times and it nags me. We badly need him for at least another year or so. Not only due to his contributions, but also to clear the way for us to draft other positions than DL early. Hamp is THE most important UFA right now. He’s aging, but I’d love to buy a little time by signing him or tagging him for two more years at least.
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
by maryrose on Jan 29, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he’ll be tagged. But I do expect them to sign him to a 3 year deal and draft his replacement either in the 2010 or 2011 draft. Let’s face it, we need him if the defense is going to continue to play at a high level. He’s not over the hill yet.
by Cols714 on Jan 28, 2010 11:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like snack, always have but if they are going to spend that much money, I would rather it be on someone younger, even if just a couple years. I think we would be facing a similar situation to Farrior. Love Farrior and what he has done in black and gold but he was a substantial liability in pass coverage this year and he is making a lot of bank. Older players always want that big pay day that they feel they deserve(and probably do) but then you are faced with an overpaid popular vet on the downslide, not a good situation.
by DarinS on Jan 29, 2010 1:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If we don't tag him
He’s gone. He’ll get huge money somewhere. We’ll give him a fair deal but there’s big money to be had.
by Damnscot on Jan 29, 2010 1:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is Hampton Worth the Money?
Casey Hampton is “fat”, lazy and out of shape. He needed a lot of rest breaks during the season. A lot of runs went up the middle for big yardage (especially Ray Rice). Casey DID NOT dominate. It would be great if we could get if we could get Cody (from Alabama) and get him on a “serious” diet and “toning up”. He is rough and quick, but too damn fat. He could definitely push Casey for that position. Maybe if Casey had some serious competition, he would play like an all pro and not look like the “Michelin Man”. We need another “top notch” DB to complement Troy and a big strong Offensive tackle. I think that our offensive line did a decent job this year and will only get better next year. Our team just needs to play up to their potential. Also Keyaron Fox should replace Farrior. He is younger, faster and plays with passion (possibly another James Harrison in the making). Does Frank Summers have potential? He was being hyped as a “beast” who ran through people. Why did he end up on IR with an unknown back injury? Comments please!!
by Allen F on Jan 29, 2010 3:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think Casey...
only plays 2 downs. From what I’ve read (and seen), Casey is subbed out during passing downs. So I think you have to factor that into justification for a large payday.
by Piratefan13 on Jan 29, 2010 8:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Casey 4 Cody, Keyaron for James.
Allen, in your 1st line, you tabbed Casey as,“fat, lazy & out of shape….”, and your choice for replacement is Cody, who according to your scouting report is in need of a,“serious diet & toning up.” Ahhh, one fat known for an unknown seems to be the choice. JMO, a lot of people ran around Casey, [as they always CAN :) ], is because A.Smith was out! Kirschke is adequate to a point, & Eason didn’t show up till final 3 games. Ziggy is excluded because of rookie status, but flashed very well in the end. I agree we should not spend Haynesworth $ on Casey, Hanesworth isn’t even worth that! But I plead for you to go back over some game tape & check Casey out more objectively. No, he isn’t the same as 2-5 yrs. ago, but still very effective, boardering on dominance.
Now, a Farrior for a Fox. D.O.B. 1-6-‘75, Farrior is on his last go-’round IMO, but we need to draft a ILB to groom. Fox is servicable, very good against run, liability in deep coverage. (Where Farrior never really gets his due!) We won’t see R. McClain at 18, so in rd. 2, a Daryl Washinton, TCU, or Sean Lee, Penn St.? Of course, the real luxury of being a Steeler fan is that NONE of these kids will have to play day one! Give Casey the benefit of the doubt, but not the great payday, but a fair one!
"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."
by Chise67 on Jan 29, 2010 8:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember a lot if not of all Ray Rice’s runs being to the outside and beating Farrior and Clark, not up the middle through Hampton. I looked through the play-by-play of both games and the majority of their runs (especially the big ones) were at the right side, and very few “up the middle”. Casey is damn good at what he does, hence the reason he silently made the pro bowl and the same reason teams are going to toss tons of money at his feet. Great NTs a very few and far between, and Casey is proven. Cody is an unproven commodity in an NFL system. I’d rather keep Casey.
Also, how ironic is it that you rip on Casey because he is “fat, lazy, and out of shape” yet your suggestion for a replacement is Cody, a DT who is fat and out of shape.
IMO, Fox is a great back-up, not a starter. A good situational LB, if you will. I think we need to draft a guy who can potentially put in serious contributions by the end of the year.
On Frank Summers, I think it was NYSteelersFan4 that had a funny comment about Summers eventually turning into a nobody a few weeks back. I tend to agree with him. Another preseason all-star who doesn’t make the cut.
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by Johnny_S on Jan 29, 2010 8:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't understand the Farrior hate...
The guy had 68 solo tackles, and 34 assists, for 102 total this year. Deebo had only 60 solo and 19 assisted. 79 total. Woodley had 50 and 12, for a total of 62.
Although I agree, Farrior has lost a step (possibly because of the extra weight), but he’s still a solid LB. His eventual replacement would be good, but IMO, he should be able to solidly produce and contribute this upcoming season.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
by SteelFever on Jan 29, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You cannot compare an MLB to an OLB
In our system. Woodley and Deebo’s main goal is to sack the QB, and rarely they drop into coverage. Timmons and Farrior are responsible for stuffing the run in the middle, getting side line to side line to stop sweeps and screens, and covering WRs, TEs, and RBs occasionally, and then on some LeBeau dialed up blitzes they get after the QB. So MLBs should get a lot more tackles than OLBs in our defense. Just compare Woodleys and Deebo’s sacks to Farrior or Timmons…
Farrior is still a serviceable LB, but it would be foolish of us to not look for his replacement now, in this draft. His loss of step was evident in his inability to get to the sideline and stop sweeps and screens (obviously this situation was made worse by a slow Safety and a bad tackling Safety that could not help Farrior).
My argument is that the Steelers should draft a MLB to learn behind Farrior and Timmons for this year and start getting time by the end of the year (if Farrior seems to be still missing that extra step outside).
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by Johnny_S on Jan 29, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Timmons
is Farrior’s eventual replacement, no? We need another “Foote” type to repalce Timmons.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Jan 29, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
Timmons didn’t wow me all year. I am not sure if the ankle was a nagging injury or not. He seems to rely too much on his athleticism and little on “smarts”, so on many occasions he seemed to overrun plays or be out of position. Also, I though his coverage in pass plays was not what I thought it would be this year.
Oye, too negative. Timmons is a good player and definitely has the ceiling to be our eyes and ears on the field, but he still has a bit of learning to do.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by Johnny_S on Jan 29, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather have 2 great guys (ex: timmons and mcclain). Another Foote type of player would have the same effect in our D.
by vynotty on Jan 29, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McClain is very cerebral
We would have the LBs core in the NFL.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
best*
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Farrior is a truly cerebral player who rarely is out of position. If you look at the Patriots run, they had a very similar situation with Teddy Bruschi who was a solid contributor on that team. Yes, he has lost a step BUT he is still better than alot of ILB’s in the NFL.
by Dr Del on Jan 29, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No hate
James has been great for the Steelers and judging from most the posts I have seen there is a lot of love for him. That said there is also the reality that he lost a step last year and once that starts happening it generally doesn’t get better, it gets worse. He will be at least as slow next year as he was this year if not slower. He struggled getting to the sidelines and also in pass coverage. So while there is a lot of love for him, the reality is that his career is in its twilight.
by DarinS on Jan 30, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ray Lewis will be 35 this May
@ 6’ 1", 250 (Source: Yahoo sports)
Farrior, just turned 35 @ 6’ 2", 243 (same source). Farrior put on more weight this off season, can’t remember exactly why as of right now (20+ pounds if I’m not mistaken).
Junior Seau just turned 41(!) @ 6’ 3", and about 250.
Zach Thomas will be 37 this September @ 5’ 11", and about 228…
Who says old LB’s can’t play at high levels?
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
by SteelFever on Jan 30, 2010 1:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder...
Do people still think Farrior is/ever was better than Ray?
by StoneColdSteel on Jan 30, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And
With the exception of James carrying more weight, how does any of that effect how fast James Farrior runs. I don’t care if he is 50 if he can still run as fast, tackle as hard, etc. etc. He was slow to the sidelines on sweeps and couldn’t keep up in pass coverage. It is always hard seeing our favorite players start the downward slide towards the end of their careers but it happens to everyone. James is on his, he may be able to stave that off a bit by carrying less weight but we shall see.
by DarinS on Jan 31, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Summers
I think was effectively stashed on IR. They knew he wasn’t ready to perform but saw some potential. First he was dinged up they tagged him and found Carey Davis Cell #.
Having been on IR he can workout and go to team meetings just not practice. Could be a good developmental year for him in the long run.
by Steely McSmash on Jan 30, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kepping a snack around so we don't get hungry!
Good post. And I am all for keeping Casey around for 2-4 yrs. depending on when he starts to show a severe decline. As of now, he is still in an elite class of 3-4 NT’s. Look how porous S.D.’s run defense was this year w/out Jamal Williams, that is an adequate reflection of how we would look w/out Casey. Heck, the proof is even shown when A. Smith is out just how vital each player is on that line in a 3-4.
I am in serious hopes that we draft a stud D-line candidate at 18. Dan Williams preferably, but I would take a Jared Odrick as well any day. Only way I would stray from that choice is a franchise type OT. When completely healthy, our D is top 3 at the very least & the whole league knows it! Hit him,(Casey), with the transitional tag, & then lock him up 2 more years during the pre-season. JMO
"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."
by Chise67 on Jan 29, 2010 8:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nice article Michael
I hope you are right about Casey and the FO. Hopefully, Hampton can realize that his best chance of being on a very good team is here and that a couple extra million is not as rewarding as leaving a legacy as the defender who anchored a 3 or 4 time SB champion.
Hopefully, the Rooneys, Tomlin, and LeBeau have good relations with him and can put a little something extra in his ear before he makes his decision.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by Johnny_S on Jan 29, 2010 8:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is he good with his money?
Lots of guys piss it away, some guys get bad advice in Finance, and then there are guys who managed their money well but lost out when the crap hit the fan economically.
Sometimes you have to say, “I’m gonna need some money to help me through thefor the rest of my life after the rough consequences of playing pro ball…legacy would be nice, but knowing I am financially secure for my family, and can cover my health needs for 40 years…”
Hard sayin not knowin
by Twell on Jan 30, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice write up Blitz...
I would either franchise Hampton or work a short term deal with him and bring in a future nose tackle in this draft. Whether it be Dan Williams (who the more I see the more I want) or Terrence Cody (who the more of I see the more I want him to put a shirt back on), or a guy in the later rounds (a few have been mentioned in other posts). Have the guy for now and the guy for tomorrow, and be able to work with both. This allows us to play to win now, and gauge the best time to make the transition, which is inevitable. Need be, if franchised, we can then resign Casey for another year or two, like you said. We never draft for now, it’s always in planning for the future, and that seems like the most productive scenario to me.
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by NYSteelersFan4 on Jan 29, 2010 9:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
GOT to sign him.
We all mature as we get older and hopefully he’ll start realizing he has to take better care of himself if he wants to last. Having guys like Farrior on the team should help him with that.
Signing Casey for 2-3 years will allow us to focus on OL in the 1st round. Then get a solid CB or FS in the 2nd.
by SteelerMessican on Jan 29, 2010 9:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
When you say
money talks and B.S. walks
Do you mean Big Snack walks?
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Jan 29, 2010 10:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sign Casey
for 3 years. Front load the contract as 2010 is uncapped. Draft a NT high (round 1 or 2) and he can play behind Hoke and Hampton for a year and learn. If he develops you can cut loose Hoke or Hampton in 2011 or 2012.
While I’m at it, franchise or sign Skippy. You can probably sign Clark on the cheap. Draft a couple DBs (S and CB) in the first 3 rounds and cut loose Ty Carter, Townsend, Kirschke Spaeth (you still have McHugh on IR) and FWP (a 50 fav) to save $$$.
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by 5020 on Jan 29, 2010 10:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully the front office and coaching staff can agree that Tyrone Carter does not belong on an NFL roster. I wouldn’t lose sleep over it, but Kirsch might stick around another year for the minimum. Not sure one way or the other about Spaeth, but I’d guess he’ll be tendered and possibly cut later if we find a better option.
I do believe that we should sign Clark, even as we are working to replace him. He seems like a guy who can contribute when Troy’s playing and wouldn’t mind moving to a backup role at some point. Hopefully we won’t hold onto him as long as we did Carter, though.
Something I’ve found interesting is the FO/coaching staff’s reluctance to draft a NT. I wouldn’t say we’ve had any “can’t miss” options, but if they viewed grooming a replacement for Hampton or at least finding a younger backup as a priority, they’ve had opportunities to pick up raw, but non-tub-of-lard NT’s late in draft. It will be interesting to watch if that trend continues and we see a shift in defensive philosophy, or if it was merely a matter of coincidence and sticking to their draft board.
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by BadMaafala on Jan 29, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts
I’ve had mixed feelings about Hampton since the collapse in 2007. At times I’ve felt he was grossly overrated, but I agree with Blitz that he was very good this year. Here’s what I think I know about Hampton:
- When fresh, he’s a force. I remember the first game in 2008, after I had been dismissing him all offseason, he threw the Texans’ center into their RB. We then proceeded to largely shut down a number of power running games such as the Ravens and Giants (without Aaron Smith!!) through the first half of the season.
- When he’s not fresh, he’s just a guy. He’s not bad, but he can’t carry a rush defense. You saw what the Jaguars did to us in 2007 and what Ray Rice did to us at the end of this season (even though we won).
- The coaches have done a better job of spelling him throughout the last couple seasons, which has helped him be effective later in the seasons.
- We will not franchise him. Hampton told Jim Wexell that Art II promised him as much. It really would screw him over, and it would hurt our chances of signing some guys who are more important to our long term plans (Woodley, Holmes, maybe Colon).
- My concerns with signing him are that a) he’s not as valueable to us as players that play more downs (Aaron Smith in particular) and b) it’s difficult to guess what he’ll be contributing in 3-4 years.
- Not signing him, however, would leave us scrambling for someone in the draft, which our FO has shown that it will not do. Even if we wanted to, we’re not switching to a 4-3 this year. The saving grace is that we have a very good backup in Hoke, but I don’t see any reason to think that he could handle the nose for a whole year without a good backup to rotate with.
My best guess, considering all these factors, is that we’ll get a deal done with him. He doesn’t strike me as a guy who is offended by the FO’s approach or thinks he’s going to get a mega deal somewhere. I think we might be able to work out something where we give him around $6M a year for 3-4 years, with most of the guaranteed money coming on the front side.
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by BadMaafala on Jan 29, 2010 11:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Defense being tired
Again with this theory? How many times does it need repeated that the Steelers offense ranked in the top 5 in time of possession in 2009?
by catesinator on Jan 29, 2010 11:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
What about t
time of possession in the 4th quarter, because that is where the damage was done. Please find that stat and get back to me please.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I collected part of that in one of my posts
It ain’t pretty
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by Johnny_S on Jan 29, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
didn't think it would be
which adds more to the notion that the d could have gotten tired, that top 5 in top is misleading as much stats can be. the defense did great in quarters 1-3 which is the majority of the game which can skew that stat
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see how TOP in the 4th quarter is more important than any other. If we’re in the top 5 in total TOP, and among the worst in the 4th quarter, then that means the defense wasn’t on the field at all in the first 3 quarters. You’re not going to be tired if you’ve just been sitting on the bench.
Also, I’ve usually heard the “tired” excuse applying to the running game, when it was almost always the passing defense that killed us in the 4th quarter. With the exception of the second Browns and Ravens games, we stuffed the run pretty well all year. The pass defense was 16th in the league. Was Tyrone Carter tired, and that’s why he couldn’t tackle the WR or play in his proper zone?
If anything, we should be suspecting that our offense got tired in the 4th quarter.
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by BadMaafala on Jan 29, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Lets say you have to run 4 half miles under 3 minutes (or 4 if you are an outta shape guy). Would it be easier for you to do them spread out over 3 hours? Or do them back to back essentially?
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by Johnny_S on Jan 29, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is ridiculous
If we want to drag out this metaphor and make it a little more like the actual scenario, let’s say you were used to running 8 sprints over the course of 3 hours, broken into 45 minute blocks. Over the course of the first 3 blocks, you run 5 of those sprints. In the last 45 minutes, you have to run 3 sprints.
What happens? Well, you run the first 5 like usual, come into the 4th block more well rested than usual, run the first 2 really well, and finish the third a little slower and out of gas. Is that what happened to our defense? No. Partly because arguing from a crappy metaphor is a logical fallacy and partly because our defense starting sucking and couldn’t get off the field in the 4th.
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by BadMaafala on Jan 29, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's say I have a milkshake...
by StoneColdSteel on Jan 29, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just a thought but cant our 4th quarter defensive problems be a result of opponents passing more to overcome a deficit and less to do with our overall D
Offense may sell tickets, but defense wins championships
by canadianblackandgold on Jan 29, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That almost makes too much sense
I’m sure somebody here will argue against it…
/where’s the damn sarcasm font?
by tobiathan on Jan 29, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So what is your argument?
The defense played great in the first 3 quarters and then just magically stopped? They just gave up? And you think there is a reason for that besides being tired? I don’t follow. To me, the only thing that makes sense to me is that they got tired. Or at least being tired played a part in it.
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by Johnny_S on Jan 30, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s pretty difficult to tell, but mainly, I just don’t think our pass defense was that great in any quarter.
I don’t think there needs to be a big “reason” for the 4th quarter meltdowns, but if there was one, my best guess is that our defensive reputation scared teams into not testing our safeties and over-emphasizing a “balanced” attack. When Troy is out, no one in our defense can catch the ball. The only risk in throwing the ball downfield is getting sacked, and there is a great chance of completion against our stationary safeties. I got the feeling that a lot of teams either didn’t realize this or were too afraid of a big turnover early in the game to try us. When the forth quarter came, they didn’t have a choice and found ample holes in the zones.
Now, I will grant you the possibility that our pass rush, which was probably the only thing keeping our defense from complete meltdown, may have worn down in the 4th but it’s also very possible that Lebeau blitzed less with a lead in the 4th and “played it safe”, which was actually just inviting the offense to have it’s way. I thought this was particularly obvious in the Lions and Packers games. With the exception of one horrid play by Tyrone Carter, we effectively stymied both offenses for 3 quarters, led by an aggressive pass rush. When the 4th quarter came, we played “coverage” with guys who can’t cover and let up 28 points and nearly lost both games. It was morbidly comical to watch our defense play cover-2 man, which is one of the “safest” defenses you can play. Our corners couldn’t cover the WR’s one-on-one, and the safeties couldn’t get over to help in time.
I won’t put too much blame on LeBeau, though, because blitzes require deception to work, and if you blitz every down, that element is gone. If the QB is scared that you could back out of a blitz and play cover-2, it will make the blitz a lot tougher to react to. If your safeties physically can’t play cover-2, well, it makes the reads a lot easier. There were some games where LeBeau did blitz just about every play in the forth quarter and IIRC, it didn’t make a whole lot of difference.
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by BadMaafala on Jan 31, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It seemed to have a lot to do with the "Hurry-up" and "No-huddle" offenses
when our defense struggled late in the 4th quarter.
by tobiathan on Feb 1, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Considering how much opponents seemed to pick on Ty Carter late in the game
I think he probably was tired in the 4th.
Same with Gay and Farrior- those three guys were the the focus of pretty much every opponents’ offensive game plan, and without Troy in the lineup or an effective replacement/backup safety the whole defensive scheme was exposed in the 4th quarter.
Since our pass defense has been a problem in 2 of the pass three seasons I think teams are figuring out how to win against the 3-4: pass, pass, pass, run, run, pass, pass, pass…
by tobiathan on Jan 29, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One more time
and thank you. this is largely ignored.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Jan 29, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, no excuse for being tired
Considering the TOP overall was so high, it’s entirely possible that the Steelers TOP after three quarters was even better. In other words, the Steelers D went into the fourth quarter with no excuse for being tired. If they did get tired in the fourth quarters, it was because they couldn’t get off the field. They didn’t look very tired in the Minnesota game when they raced downfield as blockers. Their fourth quarter defense was mostly just incompetent, not exhausted.
by steeler.lifer on Jan 29, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Steelers 4th quarter defensive woes
were the Offensive Line’s fault.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Jan 29, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting stat
I was looking over this a few days ago. Although the Steelers’ TOP was higher overall this year than last years, their 3rd conversion percentage was lower. IIRC, 41% on 3rd downs last year while 39% this year. This was tend to indicate that the average drive length this year was actually shorter than last year. I.E. They had more possessions, with a higher TOP, but they converted on 3rd down at a lower rate.This could explain a defense tiring out. For example, say for 3 Q’s the defense shut down the opponents, with many 3 and outs, while the offense racked up yardage on shorter drives than in years past. This means that the opponents probably still had more possessions as well, which means more effort from the defense in those first 3 quarters.
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 30, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Buyer beware
My only concern is that with a big contract, we will get a big-ger Hampton. History of being out of shape. Has shown he turns it on and off. Risky. I like the idea of a 3 year deal, that you can basically cut him after one year without too much damage. With un capped year, could be done. I have always thought that Hoke has done a nice job when asked. Did not see him on the field much last season, and he is getting older.
Steelers may have painted themselves into a corner where they have to pay Hampton.
by scottd7 on Jan 29, 2010 11:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Franchise Snack; draft his replacement
The team can’t lose in this situation. I have a feeling that this will be like the Starks situation. Tag him and work out a long-term deal later. Snack had a heck of year and you can’t just let that walk, especially when you have other needs at LB, OL, & secondary.
I’d like to see them draft his replacement this year, and throw him in with our other youngsters on the DL in Hood, Harris & McClendon. If they do that, then I think we’ll be okay at DL.
I really like what I’m hearing about G/T Iupati. I think the team could trade down at 18 to the low 20’s, pick up a couple of picks, and still draft Iupati there. Or they could trade up and grab McClain.
Which would U guys rather the Steelers do? Or sit tight and maybe take Dan Williams at NT. I think in the second round, I like the CB out of Boise State, Kyle Wilson. He’s a returner also, so he would be good value.
by datruth4life on Jan 29, 2010 11:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think we should trade up, especially not for McClain. I’d look long and hard at him at 18, but I’m a little concerned with him against the pass. I think Maualuga is a good comparison – tough, physical LB, good leader, good pass rusher to boot, but he will not be able to cover a TE. True, we have Timmons for that, but if I’m drafting a LB at #12, I want him to be able to play 3 downs. If he runs a good combine time, I might reconsider, but so will all the other teams ahead of us.
If someone wanted to jump up to 18, I wouldn’t mind trading down and taking Iupati. I also wouldn’t mind staying put and grabbing FS/CB Earl Thomas or OT Brian Bulaga or one of the many other OT’s. The way things are looking at the moment, those might be the best value at our pick – although it’s early and things never actually go as planned.
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by BadMaafala on Jan 29, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should trade up to take Joe Haden
We would have a shutdown corner for the next 8 years and it would instantly bolster our secondary.
by Dr Del on Jan 29, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he lasted until around the 12th pick, I’d think pretty hard about it. There’s no way in hell we’re moving inside the top 10. Then we’d have a shutdown corner making $9M for the next 6 years. We could just sign Asante Samuel if we wanted to spend that much.
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by BadMaafala on Jan 29, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Trading up
There’s going to be so much value at 18 that it’s hard to trade up unless a can’t miss prospect lasts till the teens. Much like BadMaafala I don’t want to have a huge contract on a brand new untested player.
by Chicago Steeler on Jan 29, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McClain is a three-down LB. He has excellent athleticism and range and will test out better than Malauaga, who as it turns out was probably a steal in the second round. Spikes is the guy whose range is suspect. His draft stock will drop, and he’ll end up being a steal because he’s just a flat-out good player.
by steeler.lifer on Jan 29, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It will be interesting to see what his time is. You’re probably right about testing out better than Maualuga (who ran a 4.91), but I see a significant dropoff in speed from a guy like Patrick Willis.
I think Maualuga has played well, but mostly as a hard hitting run stuffer, which the Bengals desperately needed. He was obviously ready for the NFL, but I’m hesitant to think he’s going to get a whole lot better in some phases of his game.
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by BadMaafala on Jan 29, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mauuluga
blew .491 on his sobriety test yesterday.
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Jan 29, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't let Ray Rice sucker us into not realizing it is a passing league- let Snack go
Our money needs to go to Woodley and Santonio. It is a passing league. Either you can both pass on offense and cover short routes very closely while you rush the passer, or you ain’t going to no Super Bowl. Very unlikely Bal;timore goes to the super bowl without drastic improvement in their receivers.
by buddydial on Jan 29, 2010 12:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I very much agree that passing and stopping the pass is the way to go. However, we have to play 6 games in our division, where our opponents currently have zero good quarterbacks, one good WR who gets shut down whenever Ike lines up on him, and 3 impressive rushing attacks. All three of those teams have no chance in the playoffs, but a reasonably good chance to beat us if we can’t stop the run on a consistent basis and don’t figure out how to beat man coverage on offense (3 years and counting…).
The way I see our big investments in the DL is that it lets the rest of the defense play a little more pass defense. Cowher never understood this; if we had a good line, he’d still charge his safety up to keep the rushing averages under 3 while we let up huge plays down the field. If we keep our averages under 3.8-4 ypc while playing mostly 2-deep zones, I think that will give us the best chance to win at a sustainable price.
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by BadMaafala on Jan 29, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Limas and wallace
are the key to the man coverage problem. But we need both. Limas’ hieght gives him an advantage and wallace’s speed gives him an advantage. If Limas can get his head in the game and start making some plays, teams will have to go to a zone. You’ll have to protect over the top and pick your poison, limas using his height to make plays, wallace using his speed to catch deep routes and holmes getting the short stuff where he is so good at breaking tackles and getting tds, of course we have hines for now but i’m just thinking into the future.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Limas might be a goner
I just doubt his psyche can take the fact that Mike Wallace stepped in and performed like a first rounder in his rookie season. He knows he has no room for error in both mini camp and training camp next season. He already isn’t mentally tough so I think it’s going to eat at him.
But I’ve been wrong before.
by StoneColdSteel on Jan 29, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He might be
we’ll find out real soon
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ONE MORE CHANCE
Limas will be given another chance. Every WR does not have a season like Wallace did. Its apparent Wallace is special. I think from listening to everyone Sweed’s only problem is he can’t catch under pressure well. If we look at most of our #4,& 5 WR they fit his description. However, if he just so happens to finally get it. Our receiving core is bad a$%.
Hard Work Pays Off!!
by greenm on Feb 1, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Arians not being an asshole is the key to our man coverage problem. I swear he tells the WR’s to go out and “sit down in holes in the man coverage” or something. Just run fin crossing patterns and slants all day, genious.
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by BadMaafala on Jan 29, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea
But we play in the AFC North, we saw a passing game rendered useless in the cold and wind in Cleveland this year. Lets be serious here, in the North you have to be able to run and stop the run, there are no domes in the North for prissy, synchronized swimming, tea-sipping, passing games. There are going to be some grind it out games, you need to stop the middle. You don’t win the division without this, and that hurts your chances of getting to the superbowl.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there are two of those prissy, synchronized swimming, tea-sipping teams in the superbowl this year
cling to your love of Steeler Football all you want, but don’t deny the success of good passing teams
by klompus on Jan 29, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would snack not playing all downs
be an indication that he has lost a significant amount of endurance? I can appreciate it takes a bunch of energy to even move when yer that gargantuan. I just recall him on the sidelines, alot, looking like he had just chased the ice cream truck for a full city block. If we do shell out $$$ I want to see him on the defense, as FB, and on ST…preferably punt returns
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by kick him in the head on Jan 29, 2010 12:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Let's look at the numbers
First of all, Casey’s salary cap number for 2009 was about $6.6 million, including $3M in salary and the rest from his prorated signing bonus. This was, surprisingly, the highest cap number among all Steelers defensive players, including Troy and Deebo.
If we tag Casey, his salary will be the average of the top five DTs in the league from last year (there is no separate category for NT). The franchise tag salary for DT in 2009 was $6.1M and is likely to rise to about $7M for this year due to the Haynesworth contract and other big contracts. Thus, applying the tag would maintain his salary at about the same level as 2009.
It is unclear what Big Snack is worth on the open market, but it is doubtful that anyone would throw Haynesworth money at him. (It took Daniel Snyder to do such a stupid contract, and the Redskins are not shopping for another DT this year.) A more reasonable target is Shaun Rogers money: the Browns last year gave Rogers a six-year $42M contract last year that pays $23M over the first three years. Rogers was a three-time Pro Bowler and only 29 when he signed that contract. Hampton is a five-time Pro Bowler but is 32. My guess is that it will take $7M per year to sign Hampton to a long-term contract.
5020, signing him to a multiyear contract and then cutting him after one year will not work, because his signing bonus would hit the cap in 2011, not in the uncapped year.
The easy conclusion is that we can continue to pay Casey $7M per year for the next year or longer, because he used nearly $7M in cap room 2009. The problem is that Deebo’s salary takes a big jump in 2010, and we need cap room to extend Woodley’s contract to 2011 and beyond. The question is, how much of our cap should Big Snack be eating up over the next few years? I would rank him only the fifth or sixth most important player on our defense (behind Troy, Deebo, Aaron Smith, Woodley, and maybe Ike).
by Steelin on Jan 29, 2010 12:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Unless there's a new CBA
there’s no cap after this year at all. Once you get past this year, we don’t know what’s going to happen with caps, and there may be a lockout in 2011.
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 30, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Question on league rules
New England franchised Cassell and then immediately traded him. I had thought that was not allowed, but apparently Emperor Palpatine (Bill Belichek) can get away with it.
If this is the case, why would we not franchise Big Snack see if we can get a 2nd round pick for him from one of the many teams switching to a 3-4 that need a talented nose and will pay Snack what he wants. Then we spend our 1st rounder on one of the promising DTs coming out this year and have 2 2nd rounders to move up and get lupati or whomever else we were excited about?
In the worst case we franchise and then don’t get a trade partner and we have Big Snack again (albeit an angry big snack).
by Chicago Steeler on Jan 29, 2010 1:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
we would could get
2 1st rounds although I think a 1st and 2nd rounder would be acceptable.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 29, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Franchise Tag
Means that player now belongs to you, but you have to pay him that prorated amount. However, like any other player you “own”, you can trade him away at any point you want. However, the stipulation with trading that player is that the team trading for him must pay at least that Tag amount for the upcoming season (along with whatever salary/year deal they make).
So yes, we could franchise Big Snack and then make him very expensive for players to buy. However, if we do that and then no one wants to buy we essentially screw Casey’s chances of ever getting a big pay day.
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by Johnny_S on Jan 29, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair deal for the SNACK
Here is the deal Pittsburgh should offer Hampton. I realize the guy wants to get paid upfront, blah blah blah, but he has to realize the alternative – being tagged. Here it is: A three year deal worth $21M (third year is at the club option). Signing bonus is $7M. 1st year is vet minimum, that’s about $8M out of $21M. 2nd year is $6M, roughly what the tag would cost this year, total for two years is $14M, $7 to go. 3rd year, the optional year, is split with a $4M roster bonus in April and $3M salary due if is on the team opening day. Obviously PB would do everything possible to make sure he is on the team after giving him a $4M roster bonus, but my thought process they are saying “hey we showed faith in you by giving you the roster bonus now show us your committment and stay in shape over the summer”. I believe if Casey stays motivated he easily has 3-4 years in him (all he is asked to do is push the middle – big job, but doesn’t require a lot of lateral movement). If he did well for three years, stayed healthy, took care of himself, the Steelers could give him a fair 1 year deal in a 4th year.
by OCSteelerFan on Jan 29, 2010 3:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There's a lot of "ifs"
If it’s true management told Big Snack they won’t franchise tag him (and we don’t know if that’s true), then they’ve weakened their bargaining position. I do trust that they’ll make the best deal for the big picture; if they can sign him for 2-3 years, maybe with some performance incentives, great. If not, it frees up a lot of room to get the Clark & Reed deals done. Either way, I predict trophy # 7 next year. Hope Casey’s around to get another ring !
by michaelbro8 on Jan 29, 2010 7:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Many GREAT Comments
I still stick to my convictions about Casey. I am NOT a young man any more. I am from the “old” school back in the days when we played “60” minutes. It is true that the players of today are much bigger and stronger. But there are ( in my opinion) a “few” players who really expend a lot of energy on defense. They are mainly the DB’s and linebackers. In Caseys’s position (and I played that position), he is responsible for the middle of the line from guard to guard. He blocks up the middle and basically responsible for runs. I don’t expect him to get many sacks. BUT he has NO business getting tired after a couple of plays. He is NOT in shape. He should be giving “headaches” to the offensive center and cause some bad snaps. On Frank Summers, I agree that he was kept for a particular reason. I am looking to see him have a GREAT camp and be that fullback we were lacking He and a lot of the other young players got a chance to learn the system (some of them getting playing time). We have a GREAT system that brings our young guy along slowly and in time they become acclimated to the system and REALLY produce. This year we will see many of them playing more and producing. We definitely need to draft a young stud to replace Casey. If we could get Cody in the second or 3rd round it would be great (but highly unlikely). We could then make a project out of him and turn that “lard” into “muscle”. He is a young man. He should be able to do it. I believe he is going to be a “force” in the league IF he loses about 40 pounds. These are just my “opinions”. We have some very knowledgeable fans here. I am living in the D.C. area (where we have a HUGE) following and I don’t get all of the “dirt”. So, I appreciate reading these comments. Keep up the comments and believe in our team. We ARE the best.
by Allen F on Jan 30, 2010 1:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is why we shouldn't get "Mounds" Cody...

That’s him @ 370 lbs this week
This is Big Snack

@ about 350.
Tell me, how much space does 20 pounds of fat take up in your body? I’d wager those funbags of Codys are 20 pounds….
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
by SteelFever on Jan 30, 2010 1:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
whats ridiculous is at 370 and "grossly overweight" by the standards of all the professional trainers that post here
is that mount cody is still pushing back blockers and doing his job at nose tackle just as effectively if not more effectively than his counterparts in this draft.
by klompus on Jan 30, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine if Mounds Cody could lose most of that floppyness
and not find it again? If he could get down to 350 and STAY there, he could very well be the best run stuffing NT ever….but…being that fat, he will get winded too fast. Even if he could get down to 340 and bounce back and forth between 340 and 350…
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
by SteelFever on Jan 30, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Casey looks pretty good
You can see he’s got a six pack hidden underneath that belly of his.
by StoneColdSteel on Jan 31, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
she’s pretty hot… can’t believe you posted that on a family site
by lloyd95 on Jan 31, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not Cody that's Whoopie Goldberg
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Feb 1, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
by SteelFever on Feb 1, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Such A Waste
It is a shame that someone as young and talented as Cody could look SO disgusting. I would say that Bama’s strength coach must be a Manager at Dunkin Donuts. I would STILL take him (Cody) if we can get him in the 2nd or third round. I guarantee you that “fat and all”, he will last no longer than the 2nd round. The “Old Heads” on the Steeler’s roster should be able to mentor him. Put a “giant” mirror in front of his locker and some weight incentives in his contract. Work his “ass” off in camp. Maybe they need to put some weight incentives in Casey’s contract. I don’t understand how these young guys can get SO out of shape. What kind of training camp did Bama have? They had another fat “jerk” last year. I am hoping that we can find another Troy in draft (if that is possible) and also have our Special teams coach earn his money. Here’s also hoping that Jeff Reed can strengthen up his kicking leg instead of his drinking arm. Then maybe he won’t have to worry about making tackles. Keep the comments coming.
by Allen F on Jan 30, 2010 2:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
James Farrior is the Man
If we have the secondary help we need, James will have a breakout year again. He is not the short yardage cover man we need but with Troy in and if when we improve the secondary that can cover the sides so James can get back to stuffing the run and rushing the quarterback more than covering, all will talk about him with praise for a few more seasons.
by Damnscot on Jan 30, 2010 3:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Casey Hampton
Being a member of the team and knowing the Steelers organization and their history,
Hampton shouldn’t play games and realize that this is a business, just because you do well here doesn’t mean that you will do well elsewhere.
Also remember if Pittsburgh can release a vital part if not the key part of their rise to greatness ( Franco Harris ) because of a contract dispute, they will surely do the same concerning him.
I remember that day very well, it hurt like hell wwhen I heard the news on the radio but, if it were to happen again, this time to Hampton, It won’t hurt because everyone knows that this is how the organization operates.
GO STEELERS LET’S KEEP IT GOING, SUPER BOWL 2010 SEASON !!!
by M.C.Mays on Jan 30, 2010 9:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Casey Hampton
Such a shame. Great player, extremely underrated and one of the greatest run stopping defensive linemen in the league. Unfortunately once you win 2 super bowls the only thing thats left to play for is the money which is something i think Casey will be looking for once his contract is up. Steelers don’t have the money and he will be missed.
by Steelers86 on Jan 30, 2010 1:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Casey will be missed...
…but it’s time for us to draft his replacement in the first round. That Alabama NT looks pretty good in a Steelers uniform…
by sburks1906 on Jan 31, 2010 4:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You're right; Hampton has earned it.
The guy is still a force anchoring the middle of the DL. No other way to say it: Casey is just a badass, plain and simple. If you run through the middle, he’s gonna clean your clock. If you pass, he’ll tie up 2 or 3 OL guys and leave someone else free to hit the QB. Sure he’s lost a few steps and he needs a breather now and then. More than anyone I can think of, though, he’s the consummate pro and he deserves the money for what probably will be his final season in the NFL. In his prime, Casey was one of the greatest NTs to ever play the game. He’ll be very tough to replace.
by Billy52 on Jan 31, 2010 7:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
TAG HIS $%#
Casey Hampton has value but if we do not have the money tag his butt. I do not think Casey wants to play anywhere else either and I do not think he’s all about the money. He just don’t want to be insulted.
Hard Work Pays Off!!
by greenm on Feb 1, 2010 10:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
CODY
Send our people down and have a"man to Fat Boy" talk with Cody and establish the fact that he MUST lose weight and will have incentives in his contract for maintain a weight (that is agreeable to management) – not just for the upcoming season. I understand that he (because of his physical appearance) might drop to the third or fourth round. Personally I don’t agree with that evaluation. We need to get that “Troy clone” in the first round and “by all means” take Cody in the 2nd round and get that big offensive tackle that we crave in the 3rd round. Keep Willie Parker and bring him in on certain downs as management feels is appropriate. Mendenhall is our main back and I feel that he will have a great year in the upcoming season. I hope that Frank Summers will live up to expectations. Find guys who are “hungry” to make the roster for our special teams. We already have a great team. We just need to keep being motivated. Hope Ben will lose some weight in the off season. Make Cody either “push” Casey (if we re-sign him) to produce or REPLACE him. Again – it is just my “opinion”. I am a 100% Steelers fan.
by Allen F on Feb 1, 2010 6:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Casey Hampton and the Franchise Tag
Casey Hampton will not sign with the Steelers for 2010 because he will not be offered the money he wants and can earn in free agency. If the Steelers wanted to sign him, they would have done it prior to the start of the 2009 season similar to the deals with Ben, Deebo, Troy, etc. It is the “Steeler Way”. Look at Faneca.
Casey has been very adamant about not wanting the franchise tag and there may be questions that his discontent could affect the team. 2010 is a year the Steelers can compete for the playoffs and potentially the Superbowl, but without Hampton. They need to save the money to sign Santanio, and Woodley, who are their future.
The draft will be deep in defensive tackles and the Steelers will and can pick up some youth and future star. Casey is only a two down guy at this point and the defense will be okay without him. Not as good, but strong enough and at the same time building for the future. We need the youth to continue for future Superbowls as well.
We have to build our Secondary to help Troy and our overall performance. That being said, we will also draft an offensive tackle.
Look for Willie, Big Snack, Tyrone Carter and Ryan Clark to be gone. Deshea may also not be resigned.
by: Thunder
by Thundercraft29 on Feb 2, 2010 2:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dump the Snack
Casey needs to play like he deserves a big paycheck. Personally I don’t know how he made All Pro. He did not DOMINATE the center of the line and was winded after a couple of plays. DUMP HIS BIG ASS and get a “young bull” to take over his slot. I like Cody from Bama even if he is “fat”. He plays with energy. Keep his ass under the guidance of the Strength Coach and put incentives in his contract regarding his weight. I think that he will be a “dominator” in the NFL with the right guidance. That’s what we have our “vets” for. Get in his head and teach him what it means to be “privileged” to be in in the Steeler family.
by Allen F on Feb 11, 2010 4:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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