BTSC 2010 NFL Mock Drafts : Updated 01/30 (4 round edition)
So here is my post Senior Bowl mock draft. I'm sure to make some people happy with my new pick for the Steelers. As always I look forward to your questions, comments, and conversations.
1. St. Louis Rams: Jimmy Clausen QB, Notre Dame
This pick is not going to change from a QB unless the Rams find one in free agency like Jason Campbell or trade for one. Their number one priority has to be to find a new Quarterback. In the last two years they have passed on Matt Ryan and Mark Sanchez. GM’s don’t think to themselves, “We’ll be bad enough to get the top QB next year” and neither do head coaches who only have a very limited time to prove their worth. For a great example of this you only have to look to last year’s draft. Many said that Aaron Curry was much more of a sure thing than Matt Stafford. New Lions coach Jim Schwartz, with a defensive coordinators back ground, still took the QB instead of a top D prospect because he knows that a team starts with a QB. Nebraska DT Ndamukong Suh is a great player but he’s not going to single-handedly wins games for them. Even if Suh did win them 3 more games than they would’ve, then they wouldn’t be drafting high enough to get next years top QB Jake Locker. Clausen had a great junior season and has the added bonus of having played in a pro-style offense under center. Heading into an uncapped year means the Rams can dump Marc Bulger’s salary without any future consequences.
2. Detroit Lions: Ndamukong Suh DT, Nebraska
What the Lions need most is an impact player. This team needs playmakers everywhere other than QB and TE. They need a cornerstone LT to protect their 40 million dollar man in Matt Stafford but Suh is too great a player to pass on. After watching Suh absolutely dominate Texas’ lineman in the Big12 championship to the tune of 4 & ½ sacks and being the first defensive player since 1997 to be invited to the Heisman ceremony, he looks to be the best defensive lineman prospect since Warren Sapp. At this pick, the only other options I can see them going with are Russell Okung or Eric Berry. But if Suh is available they would be crazy to pass on him.
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Gerald McCoy DT, Oklahoma
The Bucs messed themselves up winning just enough games to take them out of the Suh sweepstakes. Unfortunately he is no longer available but getting McCoy is not a bad option. Many consider him to be the most technically sound DT in this draft, even more so than Suh. Not having a need for a QB or LT means that this pick would pretty much only be Eric Berry or perhaps even Derrick Morgan if they decide to not go with McCoy. Trading back with a pick this high isn’t really much of an option as other teams will not want to pay the amount of guaranteed money expected to a top 3 pick. It’s also not out of the realm of possibility that they trade up with the Rams to get Suh, as the Rams would still be able to get Clausen here.
4. Washington Redskins: Sam Bradford QB, Oklahoma
Regardless of whether or not you’re a Jason Campbell fan the fact remains that this team is not winning with him. I know a lot of the problems are because of the injuries to the offensive line but Snyder is going to go with a flashy, big name like Bradford, especially now that Mike Shanahan has been hired as the new head coach. As ESPN has reported, Bradford is having his shoulder operated on by the renowned Dr. James Andrews, who also just happens to be the Redskins team doctor. So Snyder will definitely have the inside track on whether Bradford’s shoulder is going to hold up. If Snyder doesn’t think Bradford’s shoulder will hold up they will target Russell Okung, Bruce Campbell, or Anthony Davis since no other QB is worthy of a pick this high.
5. Kansas City Chiefs: Russell Okung OT, Oklahoma State
Matt Cassell needs a LT that will give him enough time to throw the ball down field. KC spent a lot of money on Cassell and it would be nice if they got a return on their investment. It would also allow them to move 2008 1st round pick Brandon Albert to LG, his natural position, since it doesn't seem like he can make it playing on the outside. Okung is the top OT in the draft and would be a great addition to the Chiefs O-line. He's athletic, uses his hands very well, and has quick feet to get out in front of speed rushers. If they are somehow still confident that Albert can play LT then this pick could change to Eric Berry or even Rolando McClain.
6. Seattle Seahawks: Eric Berry S, Tennessee
I’ve changed this pick to Berry because with two early first round picks, there is plenty of OT talent but Berry is too good to pass on. If Okung were available they would probably go for him, but given Bruce Campbell’s injury history they will elect to go with Berry would many consider an Ed Reed clone. Not only myself but every draft pundit you hear, including Mel Kiper and Todd McShay of ESPN, have said that Berry is an absolute stud and top player of this draft. Berry is a nightmare for opposing QB's. College teams don't even throw in his direction. He's got a nose for the ball and is a serious threat to take a pick back to the house every time. I will give new Head Coach Pete Carroll enough credit to go with talent over the familiarity he has with Taylor Mays.
7. Cleveland Browns: Joe Haden CB, Florida
Cleveland needs help everywhere except for LT where they have Joe Thomas. A lot of draft lovers think they will target a QB, but I’m not sure the franchise is quite ready to give up on Brady Quinn, especially when there is no more 1st round talents QB’s left, although they may target one in the later rounds. Haden is the only elite corner in this draft class and landing him would be a decent consolation prize after missing out on Berry. If they elect to keep the 3-4 defense this pick may turn to Rolando McClain.
8. Oakland Raiders: Carlos Dunlap DE, Florida
With Taylor Mays completely lost during Senior Bowl practices, I will give the Crypt Keeper(Al Davis) enough credit to know how much of a gamble he would be with a top 10 pick, although I’m sure that will come back to haunt me. Unfortunately with Clausen and Bradford gone Oakland won’t get a replacement for the failed JaMarcus Russell experiment. When the combine rolls around Davis will absolutely fall in love with Dunlap’s freakish measureables. In my opinion Dunlap is this year’s Vernon Gholston. If Joe Haden can run a sub 4.4 at the combine he would immediately jump to the top of Davis’ list if he’s available.
9. Buffalo Bills: Anthony Davis OT, Rutgers
The Bills will look to fill their biggest need which is gaping hole left by the Jason Peters trade to Philly. Davis is an absolute mauler who has continued to rise up draft boards everywhere. They may also consider Rolando McClain to help shore up that horrendous run defense. There’s also an outside chance they may pick Derrick Morgan but it’s unlikely since they selected pass rusher Aaron Maybin in the first round of last years draft.
10. Jacksonville Jaguars: Derrick Morgan DE, Georgia Tech
The Jags young receiving corps has come on this year and as such seems to be no longer a dire position of need. This team needs a DE as the Jags make the transition back to after a woeful attempt at using a 3-4. Morgan has distinguished himself as the top DE for a 4-3 as he is an excellent pass rusher. Florida QB Tim Tebow may become are real option for them, especially since team owner Wayne Weaver had said previously that he would draft him given the opportunity. They could really use a big name to lure fans to the game so they don’t eventually become the L.A. Jaguars. I know he isn’t a first round talent but picking him wouldn’t be about talent, it would be about selecting a local hero who will bring fans to the game.
11. Denver Broncos(via Chicago Bears): Rolando McClain ILB, Alabama
Look for the Broncos to take the best defensive player available. McClain is a natural leader, is continuing to rise up draft boards, and would be a perfect fit considering he already plays in a 3-4 defense at Alabama. The Broncos have very few holes to fill as they have plenty of young talent that will develop over time. But after going 6-0 they have been exposed for their lack of the deep ball. If given the opportunity they may look to go QB with this pick as they really need a strong armed QB that can sling it downfield, especially with a receiving core of Eddie Royal, Brandon Stokley, and Brandon Marshall, but only if Bradford manages to slip this far. If they finally manage to trade Marshall this offseason they may look at Dez Bryant with this pick as well.
12. Miami Dolphins: Dez Bryant WR, Oklahoma State
I know team Architect Bill Parcells typically doesn’t draft WR’s in the first round but none of the talent available that fills a position of need is worthy of this pick. They could trade back to the end of the first round and target Jerry Hughes which would fill their greatest position of need. They may also consider Tenn. NT Dan Williams. The suspension of Bryant for lying about conversations with Deion Sanders will not hurt is draft stock. He’s got all the intangibles you look for in a receiver and looks a lot like Andre Johnson did when he came out of Miami. He’s the type of receiver who would be perfect for the progression of young QB Chad Henne considering their patience has worn thin with supposed no.1 WR Ted Ginn. If McClain slips past Denver I would expect him to be the pick here.
13. San Francisco 49ers: Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
The 49ers biggest need is for a RT and they find a great one in Bulaga. He really showed his worth with a great performance against top 10 pick Derrick Morgan in the Orange Bowl. They may also consider taking a NT like Dan Williams considering current nose tackle Aubrayo Franklin will be a free agent. The 49ers also need help in the secondary so Earl Thomas may be an option for them as well if Bulaga is off the board.
14. Seattle Seahawks (via Denver Broncos): Bruce Campbell OT, Maryland
Neither Walter Jones nor Sean Locklear can seem to stay healthy, with Jones retirement seeming like a certainty at the end of the season. Campbell has managed to slip this far due to a pretty long injury history but if he passes his physical at the combine he may go higher than this. The Hawks may also look for a RB, especially since the electrifying Spiller is still on the board, but they should be able to grab either Cal’s Jahvid Best or Georgia Tech’s Jonathan Dwyer in the second round at a greater value.
15. New York Giants: Brian Price DT, UCLA
Price has probably seen his stock soar more than any other prospect since the end of the college season and would be a great addition as the Giants continue to stockpile D linemen. They could also use a replacement for Kareem McKenzie who is over 30 and starting to show his age but this need can be addressed in the later rounds. MLB Antonio Pierce’s play has dropped of considerably this year but with McClain already off the board they will have to wait as this is too high for Brandon Spikes.
16. Tennessee Titans: Dan Williams NT, Tennessee
Who would have thought that after a 0-6 start that Vince Young would salvage their season? They have multiple needs but Young’s play means they won’t be looking for a QB. Cornerback is their biggest need but without one worthy of this pick they’ll address their D-line which has been exposed by the loss of Albert Haynesworth to free agency. Dan Williams is a big run-stuffing, space-eating mammoth much like Haynesworth is and taking a homer is always a fan favorite. The word out of SB (Senior Bowl) practices was that he proved his worth as the top DT against the run and then backed it up in the game.
17. San Francisco 49ers(via Carolina Panthers): C.J. Spiller RB, Clemson
After having taken care of their need for a RT with their first pick in the round, they get the luxury of bolstering their RB corps. What they need is secondary help and rush linebackers, so Earl Thomas would become a real option, but they will target Spiller who would be an immediate change of pace, impact player to compliment Frank Gore.
18. Pittsburgh Steelers: Mike Iupati OG, Idaho
Without question the Steelers greatest need is on the defensive side of the ball, especially at safety and nose tackle. Current NT Casey Hampton is 32 years old, a free agent, and with two Super Bowl rings already on his chubby fingers he may seek a big pay day somewhere else. Ryan Clark is a free agent and he’s over 30 years old as is Tyrone Carter who played horribly week in and week out in Troy Polamalu’s absence. They also need to find an eventual replacement for James Farrior. His play declined dramatically this past year, he’s 34 years old, and since it takes a couple years for linebackers to learn the system anyway it would be nice to find his replacement now. Keyarn Fox has filled in admirably at ILB for Lawrence Timmons but is not a permanent solution. Besides, Fox is too valuable as a special teamer. Unfortunately the probable top targets of Eric Berry, Rolando McClain, and Dan Williams are all already off the board. Iupati was outstanding in his SB practices and has solidified himself as a 1st round pick. During the game he dominated him opponents except for one time when he got beat by UGA’s Jeff Owens. He would fill the one weak point at RG where Darnell Stapleton and Trai Essex are lacking and rookie Craig Urbik didn’t show much during the off season. They may give Texas FS Earl Thomas a hard look here, but I think the Steelers will ultimately pass on him given that he’s more of a finesse player. Fortunately there’s still going to be some talent in the 2nd round such as South Florida’s Nate Allen and Georgia Tech’s Morgan Burnett, and in the 3rd with Georgia’s Reshad Jones. Cornerback could also be another option considering none of the rookies from last year have seemed to distinguish themselves, although the only option in the 1st would be to trade up for Joe Haden. If he’s available we should definitely take Rolando McClain or even try to trade up for him. A lot of people are high on Florida ILB Brandon Spikes, who may be great against the run but is somewhat of a liability in zone coverage. An option in the third round would be TCU ILB Daryl Washington. A player I really like in the later rounds would be Baylor’s ILB Joe Pawelek although I suspect the Steelers would rather target a homer like PSU’s Sean Lee. After watching him in the Orange Bowl, I really like Iowa’s Pat Angerer in the later rounds as well. Clemson RB C.J. Spiller would be a slightly long-shot option if he were available. Willie Parker is most likely not going to be resigned in the off season and Spiller would be a great speedy compliment to Mendenhall’s power for a lot less cost than Parker.
19. Atlanta Falcons: Earl Thomas S, Texas
The Falcons will take the best defensive player available, particularly an OLB or DE. Previously I had them taking Ole’ Miss. DE Greg Hardy but he has some injury issues the last two years and wasn’t even able to finish out this season. They manage to luck out with Thomas who has the versatility to play both safety spots as well as cornerback.
20. Houston Texans: Damian Williams WR, USC
The Texans need help in multiple areas, specifically on defense if they let the unhappy Dunta Robinson leave via free agency, but without any of the top safeties or Joe Haden available look for them to add to an already potent offense. They also have needs in the interior defensive line after sending former 1st round pick Travis Johnson to the Chargers earlier in the year. Damian Williams would pair nicely with Andre Johnson, and fill a position of need if Kevin Walter isn’t resigned. He’s considered the most polished receiver in the draft and would give an immediate boost in the return game.
21. Cincinnati Bengals: Brandon LaFell WR, LSU
The Bengals only real needs are for WR’s and safeties and with the talent currently available they will opt for LaFell to help make their offense more explosive. Outside of Chad OchoCinco, none of their WR’s has had much of an impact this year. If LaFell is off the board at this point they would certainly consider Oklahoma TE Jermaine Gresham.
22. New England Patriots: Sergio Kindle DE/OLB, Texas
The Patriots need more youth and depth in their linebacking corps. Kindle lines up all over the field for Texas and is the sort of versatile player Belichick loves. He had a great showing in the Championship game and solidified himself as a first round pick. It wouldn’t shock me to see them draft Tim Tebow if he slips past Jacksonville. He could be their QB for life after Brady. And yes I know this is high for a QB who could be a back-up for a few years, but he can also serve as an H-back and be put in for trick plays such as the Wildcat. He also has that air of smugness that reminds me of Brady that I hate so much. Given how much the Patriots like to trade back, it would actually surprise me if they keep this pick, especially considering how deep the talent pool is in this draft.
23. Green Bay Packers: Charles Brown OT, USC
Fortunately because of such a deep draft class the Packers are lucky enough to get Brown here. They have had to compensate for the lack of talent at OT by adjusting their scheme to keep TE’s in to block. Adding some OT depth would really help open up that potent offense. They may look to add an OLB to replace Aaron Kampman who’s in the final year of his contact and clearly not comfortable after making the switch from DE to OLB. Green Bay also needs to start looking at replacements for their aging secondary but will find better value for the in the next 2 rounds.
24. Philadelphia Eagles: Greg Hardy DE, Ole’ Miss.
Without any tackle prospects left to replace the often injured Shawn Andrews, look for the Eagles to take the top DE or Linebacker prospect available. They need to fill the DE spot opposite of Trent Cole. Hardy has some injury issues but is adept at playing both the run and the pass. They would also consider OLB Sean Weatherspoon.
25. Baltimore Ravens: Jermaine Gresham TE, Oklahoma
This is a toss-up between a WR and Oklahoma TE Jermaine Gresham. Todd Heap has been surprisingly healthy this year which is the first time in a long time. They could really use a WR to replace the aging Derrick Mason who is giving serious consideration to retirement again. Even though Gresham has been out with a knee injury for the year, he will have plenty of time to rehab before the NFL combine. A lot of people will think that the Ravens will draft a CB, especially considering how badly they have been torched through the air, but the Ravens draft on value and there won’t be any other first round CB’s left which is why they won’t consider a safety here to possibly replace Ed Reed. They may consider Golden Tate or Arrelious Benn here.
26. Arizona Cardinals: Jerry Hughes OLB, TCU
Arizona’s biggest need is for a LT. They drafted Levi Brown a couple years ago to be a RT when they thought Matt Leinart, a lefty, would be the QB of the future. Well he hasn't been so far and Warner is suffering because of it. If Charles Brown managed to slip I would expect the Card’s to pounce. Outsider linebackers Haggans, Okeafor, and Berry are all 33 years old or older so they will definitely be upgrading with Hughes.
27. Dallas Cowboys: Taylor Mays S, USC
The Cowboys would be making a big mistake by taking Mays, who’s a mirror image of former Cowboys SS Roy Williams. But he’s just the sort of big name prospect that Jerry Jones loves. They really need a left tackle to replace to declining Flozell Adams but the only option left is Oklahoma’s Trent Williams who struggled all year playing on the left side.
28. San Diego Chargers: Jared Odrick DE, PSU
Assuming they resign or tag LT Marcus McNeill, what they need most is a NT to replace the aging Jamal Williams who was put on IR at the beginning of the season. Unfortunately the only NT with a 1st round grade is already taken. I think that General Manager A.J. Smith is too smart to gamble on “Mount” Cody with a 1st round pick given that it’s become highly probably that he’ll eat himself out of the league in a couple years. Their second need is for DE’s that can play in a 3-4. Odrick would be a perfect fit and slips to the end of the first due to a few minor off the field issues.
29. New York Jets: Arthur Jones DE/DT, Syracuse
Unfortunately the Jets biggest needs, particularly a corner to play opposite Darrell Revis and at DT where Kris Jenkins had the second season-ending injury of his career, do not match up with the talent that is currently available. Their 3rd biggest need gets filled with Jones. They may also consider a WR if Williams or LaFell manage to slip.
30. Minnesota Vikings: Sean Weatherspoon OLB, Missouri
The Vikings will look to shore up the few weak points on a very strong defense. Weatherspoon is the top OLB suited to play in a 4-3 defense. He’s managed to impress everyone in the SB practices with his vocal leadership and enthusiasm. During the game he didn’t disappoint, playing sideline to sideline and showing very good man-coverage skills.
31. New Orleans Saints: Everson Griffen DE, USC
With an already potent offense the Saints will look to upgrade a defense that has been hot and very cold all season long. Their biggest need is probably a DE to replace Charles Grant, although they also have needs for OLB’s and DB’s as well.
32. Indianapolis Colts: Trent Williams OT, Oklahoma
As much as I think the Colts need to address their defense with this pick, they will probably keep with the status quo and continue to surround Manning with talent. What they really need, a LT given that former 1st round pick Tony Ugoh has struggled and current starter Charles Johnson is a FA, won’t get filled but will give them the opportunity to shore up the line. By drafting Williams, who’s a mauler, will allow them to move current RT Ryan Diem to the left side. They would also consider a cornerback such as Wake Forest’s Brandon Ghee or Michigan’s Donovan Warren. I gave serious consideration to giving them Brandon Graham who would be a perfect fit in their defense.
Round 2:
33. St. Louis Rams: Donovan Warren CB, Michigan
Now that the Rams have their QB of the future in Clausen, it’s time to turn their attentions to Spagnuolo’s specialty, the defense. Warren is a good all-around corner and would’ve probably gone in the 1st round in any other year.
34. Detroit Lions: Maurkice Pouncey OG/OC, Florida
The Lions are getting a great interior lineman in Pouncey who’s versatile enough to play Center, Guard, or possibly even Right Tackle.
35. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Arrelious Benn WR, Illinois
The Bucs need WR’s to help the progression of young QB Josh Freeman. Michael Clayton has been underwhelming so far in his career and Antonio Bryant is well past his prime.
36. Kansas City Chiefs: Terrence Cody DT, Alabama
Even though he may eat himself out of the league in a couple years, which is why he’s slipped out of the 1st round to begin with, the Chiefs are not going to pass up the chance to solidify their defensive front with someone who is going to be a dominant 2-down NT.
37. Washington Redskins: Mike Johnson OG, Alabama
With a new QB
in hand, it’s time to rebuild that ancient O line. Instead of reaching for an OT they will opt for Johnson who would go great in Shanahan’s zone blocking scheme.
38. Seattle Seahawks: Jahvid Best RB, Cal
They need better RB’s than Justin Forsett and Julius Jones. Best has slipped to the second round due to injury issues but would be a good value pick here.
39. Cleveland Browns: Brandon Spikes ILB, Florida
This is a pick of value over need. Spikes has a lot of potential even though the Brownies have a greater need at safety and running back.
40. Oakland Raiders: Jon Asamoah OG, Illinois
He will probably run the fastest 40 time of any O lineman at the combine and that’s all that matters to Al Davis. This is actually a good pick for them as he holds up very well against the pass rush.
41. Buffalo Bills: Tony Pike QB, Cincinnati.
The Bills need someone to come in and challenge Trent Edwards. Pike will take some time to develop and add bulk, but he has the potential to be a quality starter in the pros.
42. New England Patriots (via Jacksonville Jaguars): Kyle Wilson CB, Boise State
The Pats continue to improve on a defense that got old and thin in a hurry. Wilson is holding up well in SB practices.
43. Miami Dolphins: Rickey Sapp DE/OLB, Clemson
Given Porter and Taylor’s age, this pick should be a no-brainer. The Dolphins need rush linebackers.
44. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (via Chicago Bears): Brandon Graham, DE Michigan
With Graham they continue to rebuild the D-line and give some outside help to 1st round pick Gerald McCoy. He had a phenomenal showing at the Senior Bowl and may have even gotten himself into the latter half of the 1st round.
45. Denver Broncos: Corey Wootton DE, Northwestern
They fill their need with a 5-technique DE.
46. New York Giants: Chad Jones SS, LSU
They need someone to play with Kenny Phillips, or possibly even replace him if he’s not ready to play by next season.
47. Carolina Panthers: Golden Tate WR, Notre Dame
Regardless of whether Delhomme or Moore is the staring QB next season, they need someone to throw to besides Steve Smith.
48. New England Patriots (via Tennessee Titans): Aaron Hernandez TE, Florida
He would be a suitable replacement for current TE Ben Watson.
49. San Francisco 49ers: Patrick Robinson CB, FSU
Known for playing soft in his final season but played a great game at the Senior Bowl.
50. Kansas City Chiefs (via Atlanta Falcons): Dexter McCluster RB/WR Ole’ Miss.
McCluster has probably had the best showing in SB practices, showing off his amazing speed and cutback ability. Personally I think this is a little high for him, but some team is going to view him as the next Percy Harvin.
51. Houston Texans: Brandon Ghee CB, Wake Forest
They need DB help, especially if they let Dunta Robinson go.
52. Pittsburgh Steelers: Daryl Washington ILB, TCU
This is where they get their heir-apparent to James Farrior. Washington is another player whose stock is soaring due to great showing at during the SB practices and game.
53. New England Patriots: Tim Tebow QB, Florida
Yes I’m sure I’ll hear a lot about this pick. Keep in mind that Belichick loves versatility. And how many years does Brady have left, probably 3? That's how many years it’s going to take for Tebow to acclimate to the Pros. Plus he would fit in well with the type of spread offense the Patriots run.
54. Cincinnati Bengals: Nate Allen FS, USF
With their second pick, they fill their second biggest need with a good ball-hawking safety.
55. Philadelphia Eagles: Perrish Cox, CB, Oklahoma State
Ellis Hobbs is a free agent.
56. Green Bay Packers: Jerome Murphy CB, USF
Does this pick really need an explanation? They need youth in the secondary and grab a solid corner who reminds me a lot of the Cardinals Bryant McFadden.
57. Baltimore Ravens: Jeremy Williams WR, Tulane
They fill their biggest need, especially since Derrick Mason will probably retire.
58. Arizona Cardinals: Kyle Calloway OT Iowa
The Cards pick up a tackle prospect that played just as good as top-15 pick Bryan Bulaga in the Orange Bowl.
59. Dallas Cowboys: Jordan Shipley WR, Texas
This a bit of a reach but a smart move for Jerry Jones as Shipley is a local favorite and will help sell more tickets. But he’s also a Wes Welker type that could only help Tony Romo.
60. San Diego Chargers: Torrell Troup DT, Central Florida
Troup really wowed people at the East-West shrine game and probably solidified himself as the 3rd best NT in this class. If Jamaal Williams retires they will need some NT depth.
61. New York Jets: Devin McCourty CB, Rutgers
They need someone stable opposite of Darrell Revis.
62. Minnesota Vikings: Jason Pierre-Paul DE, USF
JPP is a one-year wonder who may be a bit of a reach here in my opinion, but he has a lot of upside and would provide an upgrade over Ray Edwards.
63. New Orleans Saints: Navarro Bowman OLB, PSU
Bowman is a steal at this point. He’s slipped due to some off the field issues but would be a great replacement for 30 year old Scott Fujita.
64. Indianapolis Colts: Jermaine Cunningham OLB, Florida
Cunningham is a versatile player who can play OLB or DE.
Round 3:
65. St. Louis Rams: LaMarr Houston DT, Texas
Passing on Suh means they need to start upgrading the D line here.
66. Detroit Lions: Jonathan Dwyer RB, Georgia Tech
Kevin Smith suffered a serious injury during the year, and they had no depth behind him.
67. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Anthony Dixon RB, MSU
Cadillac is a FA and injury prone, and Derrick Ward never lived up to his expectations.
68. Kansas City Chiefs: Dominique Franks CB, Oklahoma
A great addition to a secondary of relative no-names with a good size/speed combo.
69. Oakland Raiders: D’Anthony Smith DT, Louisiana Tech
Fastest 300lbs. tackle in the draft aside from Gerald McCoy.
70. Philadelphia Eagles (via Seattle Seahawks): Morgan Burnett FS, Georgia Tech
Sean Jones was a huge disappointment last year.
71. Cleveland Browns: Mike Neal DT/DE, Purdue
They need youth and depth.
72. Buffalo Bills: Vince Oghobaase DT, Duke
Help that awful run defense.
73. Miami Dolphins: Cam Thomas, NT, UNC
Parcells will continue to focus on the defense. They need depth behind 34 year old Jason Ferguson.
74. Chicago Bears: Jeremy Beal DE, Oklahoma
Ogunleye and Anderson are both free agents.
75. Jacksonville Jaguars: Kareem Jackson CB, Alabama
Their secondary seemed to be lacking this past year.
76. New York Giants: Pat Angerer ILB, Iowa
Good replacement for the declining Antonio Pierce.
77. Carolina Panthers: Selvish Capers OT, West Virginia
They need tackle depth. Capers is extremely raw but has the size to develop into a dominant run blocker.
78. Tennessee Titans: Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB, IUP
Nick Harper can’t handle the number 2 corner duties anymore.
79. San Francisco 49ers: Dekota Watson OLB, FSU
They need an upgrade over the disappointing Manny Lawson.
80. Denver Broncos: J.D. Walton OC, Baylor
Casey Wiegmann is 36 years old.
81. Houston Texans: Toby Gerhart RB, Stanford
This pick should be a given. They desperately need a short-yardage power back.
82. Pittsburgh Steelers: Reshad Jones SS, Georgia
The Steelers need someone to replace an aging Ryan Clark whose skills are declining. Jones is a faster version of Clark.
83. Atlanta Falcons: A.J. Edds OLB, Iowa
Edds is a solid strong side linebacker.
84. Cincinnati Bengals: Tyson Alualu DT, Cal
He’s a versatile D lineman that would provide depth to a thin Bengals front.
85. Oakland Raiders (via New England Patriots): LeRoy Vann CB/KR Florida A&M
This is incredibly high for him as he is graded as a very late round prospect, but he’ll probably run a 4.3 40 at the combine and he’s returned 11 kicks back for TD’s in the last 2 years.
86. Green Bay Packers: Javier Arenas CB, Alabama
Green Bay continues the youth movement in the secondary.
87. Philadelphia Eagles: Koa Misi OLB, Utah
Misi has been one of the most athletic OLB’s at the SB practices.
88. Baltimore Ravens: Marshawn Gilyard WR, Cincinnati
They need to add to their cornerback depth but this is a value pick. They continue to bolster their WR corps with my MVP of the Senior Bowl.
89. Arizona Cardinals: Matt Tennant OC, Boston College
They could use an upgrade at center.
90. Dallas Cowboys: Jason Fox OT, Miami
. This may be a bit of a gamble given Fox’s knee injury, but the Cowboys need to start a youth movement on the O line. If not for the injury Fox would be an early 2nd round selection.
91. San Diego Chargers: Joe McKnight RB, USC
They will probably cut ties with Tomlinson this offseason. McKnight has the kind of skill-set that the Chargers covet.
92. Cleveland Browns (via New York Jets): Vladimir Ducasse OG, UMass
He’s a road-grading small school prospect that can also play tackle. His draft stock has taken a bit of a dive at the SB practices and will probably play RG in the pros.
93. Minnesota Vikings: Darrell Stuckey SS, Kansas
He would be an upgrade over Madieu Williams.
94. New Orleans Saints: Robert Johnson FS, Utah
The Saints continue to upgrade on defense with a very underrated safety prospect.
95. Indianapolis Colts: George Selvie DE, USF
Selvie was double-teamed all year which caused his stats to drop from the year before. He’s undersized for a 4-3 defensive end but will fit in perfectly for the Colts cover-2 system. DE isn’t a huge need for them just yet, but it will be next year when Mathis and Brock are both FA’s.
Round 4:
96. St. Louis Rams: Eric Decker WR, Minnesota
The Rams need weapons for 1st round pick Jimmy Clausen.
97. Detroit Lions: Willie Young DE, N.C. State
They need to put some talent around Suh.
98. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Andre Roberts WR, Citadel
Another weapon for their young QB, Roberts put himself on the map with a great week at the Senior Bowl.
99. Kansas City Chiefs: Micah Johnson ILB, Kentucky
Derrick Johnson was not on Coach Haley’s good side all year. Even if he is retained they still need ILB depth.
100. Washington Redskins: Ryan Mathews RB, Fresno State
They need depth behind an aging Clinton Portis.
101. Seattle Seahawks: Danario Alexander WR, Missouri
Outside of T.J., they really don’t have any other WR to throw the ball to.
102. Cleveland Browns: Myron Rolle SS, FSU
The Brownies need safeties and Rolle has proved to everyone that he is football-ready at the SB practices.
103. Oakland Raiders: Jacoby Ford WR, Clemson
Ford will be one of the fastest WR at the combine, enough said.
104. Buffalo Bills: Sean Lee ILB, PSU
Why not grab another Penn State LB with injury problems? If he can stay healthy, Lee could be the steal of the draft at this point.
105. Chicago Bears: Eric Olsen OC, Notre Dame
How long can Olin Kreutz play?
106. Jacksonville Jaguars: Ciron Black OG/OT, LSU
The Jags could use some interior line depth. Black played OT in college but is better suited to play OG in the pros. Showed good pulling speed and agility during the Senior Bowl.
107. Miami Dolphins: Montario Hardesty RB, Tennessee
Ronnie Brown is a free agent this year, and Ricky Williams is a 32 year old who’ll be a FA next year.
108. Carolina Panthers: Austin Lane DE, Murray State
Even with Everette Brown, if they let Julius Peppers walk they will need some depth.
109. Tennessee Titans: Roddrick Muckelroy OLB, Texas
They need LB depth as they continue to rebuild their defense.
110. San Francisco 49ers: Larry Asante SS, Nebraska
They need depth in the secondary.
111. Denver Broncos: Jevan Snead QB, Ole’ Miss.
Even if they resign Kyle Orton they will need depth behind him. Snead had an awful season and should have stayed for his senior year but he has a lot of potential.
112. New York Giants: Trevard Lindley CB, Kentucky
They need some quality corners. Lindley had a disappointing SB but maybe he can redeem himself at the combine.
113. Pittsburgh Steelers: Anthony McCoy TE, USC
This is a value pick. McCoy has had a good SB practice and is the best overall TE. Current back-up Matt Spaeth is a FA and has been a disappointment.
114. Atlanta Falcons: Brandon Lang DE, Troy
The Falcons fill their second biggest need.
115. Houston Texans: John Jerry, Ole’ Miss.
They need large interior linemen to help an anemic running game. Jerry is 6’6”, 335lbs. and can certainly help with that.
116. New England Patriots: Zane Beadles OT, Utah
Tackle depth behind 31 year old Matt Light.
117. Cincinnati Bengals: Sergio Render OG, Virginia Tech.
They need interior O-line depth.
118. Philadelphia Eagles: Jared Veldheer OT, Hillsdale
Andy Reid loves big linemen and they don’t get any bigger than the 6’9”, 325lbs. small school prospect.
119. Green Bay Packers: Eric Norwood OLB, South Carolina
They need someone to play opposite of Clay Matthews.
120. Baltimore Ravens: Myron Lewis FS, Vanderbilt
If Ed Reed retires they’ll need some safety depth.
121. Arizona Cardinals: Jamar Chaney ILB, Miss. State
They need to continue to a youth movement in the linebacking corps.
122. Dallas Cowboys: Linval Joseph DT, East Carolina
They could use some depth on the defensive front.
123. San Diego Chargers: Van Eskridge FS, East Carolina
Eskridge was named defensive MVP of the East-West Shrine Bowl and would replace a disappointing Clinton Hart.
124. Philadelphia Eagles (via New York Jets): Dan LaFevour QB, Central Mich.
Vick will probably not be back, and they may decide to part ways with McNabb so Kevin Kolb would be the only QB on the roster.
125. Minnesota Vikings: Jay Ross, DT East Carolina
Pat Williams is 37 years old and may retire this offseason.
126. New Orleans Saints: Trindon Holliday WR/RB, LSU
They will probably cut Reggie Bush to save the 8 million he’s due. Holliday is a RB/WR tweener as well as a homer that would work much the same way Reggie did.
127. Indianapolis Colts: Rennie Curran OLB, Georgia
If Curran were just a little bit bigger he would be a 1st round pick, as it stands now he’s a perfect fit for the Colts cover-2.
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Like the Iupati pick.
I think they should target him or Jared Odrick in the 1st round. Could also go for a tackle if one of them drops too.
Go for a corner or safety in the 2nd. From who’s remaining on your board, I like Devin McCourtney. Plus, Ike plays well with DMacs. :)
Get a center in the 3rd. Matt Tennant may be available, although that high snap by him today didnt look pretty.
by SteelerMessican on Jan 30, 2010 8:31 PM EST reply actions
Agreed
Love Iupati, the more I think about it, the more I believe we should get him to help get the ground game back to dominating fashion.
Bigjay – If the Texans don’t pick Toby Gerhart right in front of us in the third in your mock, would you have us picking him up?
by TomlinsPuffyJacket on Jan 30, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
I love toby Gerhart, absolutely love him, but we have too many needs to pick him in the 3rd round. He’s never going to be anything more than a short-yardage back in the NFL. He’s a good one-cut back in college but he lacks the explosive speed to do the same thing in the NFL. If I had expanded this mock to 5 rounds I probably would’ve had Lagarette Blount as our 5th pick. He offers a lot more. He had a great Senior Bowl but I don’t think it was enough to push him higher than the 5th round which is great for us.
Disagree
I watched pieces of the senior bowl and a few things stuck out.
-Mike Mayock is the man! He makes Kiper and Mcshay sound like amatuers.
-lupati did not impress me. He was beaten very badly by a GA D tackle for a sack. Mayock said he has a problem with holding to much but he likes him.
-The DE Graham from Mich was all over the field. Poor mans wood, although I ask where was this producion during the season or are all Big 10 left tackles just studs.
-Taylor Mays is a joke. His pick was off of a terrible throw. All Hype!
-I wouldn’t mind having a Rhodes Scholar in an NFL secondary
-Lagarett Blount reminds me of Bam Morris down to the possibilty that he might get caught with 250 lbs of pot one day
-I loved the llb witherspoon from mizzou. The play where he ran with McCluster and defensed a pass in the back of the endzone was immpressive.
-Not at all impressed with Arenas at CB…national media attention and hype
-I do like the corner out of Boise
-the rb out of miss st is a sleeper
-Marty Gilyard is a good wr and a hell of a return man
by TheCommish on Jan 30, 2010 9:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Iupati was a mixed bag yesterday
I thought he played well at his natural position of LG but when they had him play at RG he did not do nearly as well. He is a mauler but I think he’s going to have to play at LG early on because he did not show any versatility during the game.
Taylor Mays had an interesting quote during the game. After the pic they were interviewing him and he said, on his playing style in college, “I just did what Pete Carroll told me to do.” Very interesting. Maybe he was told just to hit and not ball hawk. I’m not sold on him either but this was intriguing.
Blount is a man. He proved he can play yesterday.
Arenas is a nickel back at best IMO. He small and he doesn’t have great speed. On his punt return the punter almost caught him.
Bless you Big Jay. What a great pick. Todd McShay just said today Iupati was the most impressive player at the Senior Bowl all week. He called him the most likely player to make the most Pro Bowls. If we can grab him, an O-lineman no less, that would be awesome. In fact, the more I think about it, Iupati may be the guy who shoots up the ladder the most and ends up getting drafted before #18. He might be the Branden Albert of 2008. At first, Albert was a reach to us at #23, then soon the mock draft had us taking Albert at 23, and he finally ended up going 15th to the Chiefs, where he is their starting left tackle having started 28 games already in his young career. Iupati may well go before us after all is said and done. BTW Rashard, I am very glad you are on my team. How would you like that beast blocking in front of you?
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
he got tossed like a rag doll by a GA d tackle on a 4 man rush. not what I like to see from a first round draft pick. He should dominate a college all star game if he expects to hold to the expectations of a 1st rounder.
My buddy summed it up best on analysis…Mcshay and Kiper are historians, Mayock just flat out knows fooball. He wasn’t all that impressed with his bowl tape.
by TheCommish on Jan 30, 2010 9:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'll cut him a little slack
The boy’s from Idaho. This was his first real game. He looked good in practice all week. Some pro coaching will do him wonders.
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
MR, I'm with U on Iupati, that dude is going to be a stud with some coaching ...
but Dan Williams, Weatherspoon & Odrick looked good as well. I think there is a chance that the Steelers can trade down a couple of slots and still take Iupati. Those couple of extra picks could be crucial in getting secondary help later in the draft. I like the CB from Boise State in the 2nd round and then maybe Chris Cook, the big corner from Virginia, that I might put at free safety.
However, the best player at the senior bowl to me was OLB Brandon Graham. Just for argument’s sake, would you consider trading down and then taking the best pass rusher in the draft, though you have 2 All-Pro’s starting in front of him? Just asking.
might need to trade UP to see Graham before it's over...
by Steely McSmash on Feb 1, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
We wouldn't draft Graham in the first
That’s too much money for a backup/spot player.
I getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
are you kidding me
i watch the sinior bowl and that gaurd is not the player people think he is i seen that guy get push around like nothing he stink at 18 may be a good 3 round pick. he was beat 4 times you say once you must have been drunk. when he was not getting he was holding he got call for it twice and got away with it twice no way this pick would suck if it is him. what i would do is trade down with greenbay for 23 and a second then trade down with dallas for thier 1 and 3 round picks that give you 1 first 2 seconds and two thirds now you take cb robison then the safty out of s florida then the gaurd center tarrantan d nt out of n. carolina then jay ross and put him at end then draft best avaible player the rest of the way. you would a top nocth defence and get a guard and center and tackle as free angents
by shawn the steelers fan on Feb 1, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
What people don't realise
is that he got beat on one play. That happens some times. He’s a kid, they make mistakes. If you’re going to remove him from the table for one bad play, then remove everyone, Steelers don’t select in this draft. Iupati looks like a stud
I’m with you. Everybody gets beat once. Jeff Owens got under his pads and stood him up. It happens. He still had a great game. I especially like what I saw out of him when he got to the second level. He doesn’t give up. Personally I would rather have Dan Williams. Everyone saw today what I’ve been saying about him since I started my mock drafts. The man is a beast. Unfortunately I think because of his performance, esspecially in contrast to Cody’s, that he’ll be picked before us. Denver, Miami, and Tennessee could all take him. If we don’t resign Hampton we’re going to have a big hole in infront of our defense. There are plenty of sleeper NT’s to be had in the 3rd round. Torrell Troup and Cam Thomas especially. Even Linval Joseph. We could get UGA’s Kade Weston in the 5th or 6th probably. But taking Iupati in the 1st would be just fine with me.
If this is how the draft turns out
you’ll hear no complaints from me. If we can take Iupati in the first round, what are your thoughts on Morgan Burnett in the second? I know you have us taking Daryl Washington, but from what I’ve read, he may be a third rounder. I know we’re a long way out from draft day and combine will change everything, but if Burnett’s available, your thoughts? Also with Joe Pawelek likely available until the third or fourth, what are your opinions on him as the heir to Farrior?
Previously I would’ve had Washington as a 3rd rounder, but he was great all week at the Senior Bowl which I think upped his draft stock. I’ve always said that I’m a fan of Pawelek but Washington is much more of a sure thing and he has great leadership qualities which is something we need in our middle linebackers. I’m also a fan of Burnetts as well. My reasoning basically came down to this, I think overall the combo of Washington and Jones has more potential than Burnett and Pawelek. But don’t get me wrong, the I would be happy with the latter as well.
Completely agreed
After everything I have seen and heard, I must say I am more stoked about that Washington pick than any of the others.
I can’t help but think that if the draft falls the way you predict, I would be mildly bummed. Berry, McClain, and Campbell all experience mini-slides, while Williams and Bulaga also go soon before us. I think if it happens that way, i.e. with them tumbling a bit, we take our chances to trade up, or else then trade down to compile later picks. However, other than Iupati and maybe Jones or Odrick (do not see us drafting DEs back to back), there is not too much else I like in the first. Based on our needs, the second and third rounds look like they would be ideal to stockpile picks.
In short, is Iupati that good that at 18, we take him over, say, trading with a team targeting one of the WRs or TEs there and then get guys like Pouncey, Washington, Burnett, Johnson, and so on? Thoughts?
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
I would be all for trading back, getting a few more picks, and still geting Iupati later in the 1st round. 18 is high for any interior linemen, even him, but there are going to be plenty of teams at the end of the 1st that will target him so we can’t trade too far back. I think Cincy, Philly, Dallas, Minnisota, and Indy could all be tarrgeting him at the end of the 1st.
Well, as I mentioned below
I am wondering if he is so valuable that we worry greatly about missing out on him. I guess if, hypothetically, we traded with Dallas to move up to 18, and they picked Iupati, giving us a 2nd and a 5th in the process as well ( have not thought too much about viability), that would then give us 27, 52, 59, and 82. At those spots, maybe we get Pouncey, Washington, Allen, Cox or Burnett, and then try to get someone like Thomas or Oghobaase in the 3rd with our extra 5th or 6th. What do you think? How highly do you value Iupati?
In this (potentially idealistic) scenario, we address C/short-term RG, ILB, FS, and then maybe NT or DE.
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
I value Iupati as the best OG in this class and it’s our primary need on offfense. in that scenario though I would be fine with Dallas trading up to take him, although I feel that if they were to trade up it would be for an OT like Campbell and not an OG. So if we could trade back with them, still get Iupati at 27, and pick up at 2nd rounder of course I would be for it.
Fair enough
I guess I am trying to show that the value is still there in a trade down, even if we do not get Iupati. If we still can, then it’s fantastic, but I think the gains exceed the potential losses, with or without Iupati.
Nevertheless, I would prefer McClain or Haden or Williams, and two of those three are quite possible in your scenario. I am not one that thinks we can just address NT next year, seeing as decent NTs are not available in every draft. Essentially, if Williams is deemed good enough, I want Williams.
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
Well yes, there is plenty of value in this draft besides Iupati. I would very much prefer McClain. I can’t say enough about how special I think he’s going to be, but he won’t last past Miami at 12 so we would have to trade up for him. Haden is definitely the best corner in the draft but I don’t think the position is as great of a need as other would say. We should give Lewis and Burnett time to prove or disprove themselves beforre we decide to replace them. NT is an essential and if Williams is available then we should draft him over Iupati. But the talent drop off is steep after him which is why I didn’t have us drafting one in the first 4 rounds. Obviously it’s imposssible to fill every area of need in one draft. So if we miss out on getting a quality NT but fill our needs at guard, safety, and ILB then I would be fine with that.
I liked the looks of
Cam Thomas, the UNC DT. You know a lot more about drafts than I do, clearly, so is he big enough to play the nose, and what are the chances of us taking him in the third or fourth?
he is big enough
and as of right now the consensus number 3 NT in this class, probably an early-mid 3rd rounder at this point, could fluctuate depending on combine and pro day
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Jan 31, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
cam thomas
he feel because a shopping lifting but was consider as a first round pick before thathe is my biggest sleeper in this draft i have him going in the 3rd .i also like jay ross but he is alittel smaller so if you put him at end he will be grate snd he can play the run well. if we can get thomas the safty then get robison the coner we can start blitzing like we did under dom capers that when we were at are best nobody wanted to play us.i think with are new offence of line coach and are offence fire power we could be great with one gaurd and one right tackles and the center from tennesse is a free angent that a good draft and go steelers
by shawn the steelers fan on Feb 2, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
I think Our best shot really is at 1º Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland, 2º Gerhart,
RB, Stanford, and in the 3º Thomas, NT, NCar, maybe its asking too much. But only if Bulaga or Iupati are out of reach.
Still a great job big_jay71. Congrats!
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by YeOldeMexFan on Feb 3, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
Washington way too small
I read completely different takes on Washington’s practices. He is very small (5’11" 220 lbs) and from what I read was completely taken advantage of in the run game. He did look good in coverage though and flipped his hips well to run with receivers, backs, etc. When he made tackles in run situations, they were 3 or more yards down field. I think Parrish Cox at CB or the Mizzou linebacker (Weatherspoon, moved inside like Farrior was) would be much better. I even read comments questioning Washington’s instincts and everyone said he is a wrap-up and drag down tackler. Not a Steelers type of linebacker!
At the senior Bowl...
….Washington measured 6’2’’ 226lbs which is about Farrior’s playing wieght in three of the last four seasons, besides he can carry another 10-14 without losing a step.
by Marvin, The Paranoid Android on Feb 1, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
At the senior bowl
all the good was when in coverage due to athleticism and change of direction. Over and over though the word “undersized” was used, and lack of size and power at the point of attack showed up again and again as he seemed to know where to be but then would get washed out. i think Farrior lists around 245 and probably plays at avery bit of that if not at 250. Their height is comparable though,t so if Washington could put on 20 lbs (15 might not cut it) then maybe. It did say he would do well in system where the d-line protected him or in a Tampa-2 that relies on speed. I’ll always welcome speed!
Nope
Farrior is listed at 242, but a few articles in the Post-Gazette detail the fact that he actually usually plays at or below 220.
Because he tried to play at around 240 this year I think is what caused him to look so much slower and less agile. Likely next year he’ll be back around 215-220 again.
Alot of players misrepresent their weight to confuse opponents. Not sure how well it works, but Casey Hampton sure as hell ain’t no “320lbs.”. More like 420 IMO.
If we can get your top 3 picks above, I'm thrilled.
Jones is going to be a player. Let Clark and T-Carter go, suffer through Mundy for a year (who will look like an all-pro with Troy back) and groom Jones to take over for Mundy.
Washington gets a year to learn under Farrior – who will be great again next year without the extra lbs and Troy back.
Starks/Kemoeatu/Hartwig/Iupati/Colon would be okay for me. Get rid of Hills already, unless there is a master plan that we don’t know about…..Darnell Stapleton is a center first, yes? If he’s healed up, between him and Legursky they can be prepared for 2011 without Hartwig (or earlier). Just what to do with Foster and Urbik….
Forget the TE in the 4th. I think we have to consider the D-line in this round. We do have some youth now, but Harris didn’t get on the field and with the whole Hampton thing unknown…..unless Hoke and Paxson can handle it? Not sure about that…..
Thanks for the write up and continual updates…..
My pick of a TE in the 4th is a value pick. I know we need D line depth but McCoy is too good of a player to pass up at that point. With him we can run double TE sets. He has great hands and is a very underrated blocker. I think having him would be great for our running game. At tat point in the draft there arre no more D line prospects available that wouldn’t be considered anything more than project players. McCoy may not even be available but then anyway. I gave a lot of consideration to gving him to the Bengals in the 3rd round.
Thanks for the work
These mock drafts are great.
I do not disagree with the picks but I am worried about the lack of a second viable running back to take some of the load off RM. If we are going to be running more then RM is going to be worn out by the end of the season from doing all the tough running. I suppose M.Moore will take up some slack and Logan may as well though I think of them both as change of pace rather than ground and pound type backs.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Jan 31, 2010 12:29 PM EST reply actions
i agree
i was thinking what if we took trindon holliday in the 4th? he could be an explosive change of pace back for mendenhall, and also take over return duties from logan. id like to see us address the Dline with our later picks, but im not sure we should pass on a guy like him who can do so much by himself
by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 31, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I think a 2nd/3rd RB
is something that can be addressed cheaply via FA, and also a FA (a la Mewelde) would be able to contribute much sooner.
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
just curious...
if the saints release reggie bush would you want to target him? he’d certainly be a great weapon and change of pace back for mendenhall. im just not sure how expensive he’ll be, i doubt anyone will sign him for a deal thats comparable to the one he got in new orleans, so it wont quite be that bad… but it could still be expensive just to have him as a change of pace and returner type.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 31, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve never been a big fan of Reggie Bush. For one he is very injury prone. Aside from that he isn’t worth thhe money. He’ll still resign somewhere in the neighborhood of 4mil and that’s too much for someone who’s only going to give you about a dozen spash plays a year and that’s it.
a dozen splash plays
how many TD’s will that account for? If its 3 tds on PR and 4 rushing TD and 3 Rec Td’s he will be worth the 4 million
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(Contd.)
The Steelers’ offensive line play in 2009 was abysmal to say the least. While Ben Roethlisberger can be accused of holding on to the ball too long, he hasn’t exactly had the time he needs to pass from the pocket either.
In a best-case scenario, the Steelers are looking to address the offensive line with a big-time prospect, and Maryland’s Bruce Campbell would still be on the board when they are picking at No. 18.
Campbell is a physical specimen at the left tackle position. Standing at 6’7", he has the length and reach that NFL teams salivate over when it comes to left tackles.
If Campbell has scouts salivating over his height and length, then he has them drooling over the fact that he is abnormally fit for a man of his size and football position. Weighing in at only 310 pounds, the junior has the agility and quickness of a much smaller player. (He has been timed running a sub 4.9 in the 40).
Overall, the big left tackle’s pass-blocking skills are what set him apart from the rest of the field. Having Campbell protecting Roethlisberger’s blindside would be a welcome addition to the offensive line that gave up 50 sacks last season.
O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.
only problem
is that we would have to move starks to RT and colon to RG, which the coaching staff said they have no intention of doing. id rather take Iupati in the first over a tackle because we wouldnt have to move anyone around right away (keep the continuity which i think greatly helped the line’s improvement from 08 to 09) not to mention we’d be paying a Guard 1st round money, not a Tackle, which would probably be pretty significant savings
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 3, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Great research, Big Jay
It must have taken you forever to put this all together. A labor of love, I’m sure.
As for Iupati, I think if he’s there that’s a great pick. Yes, the D needs more work but I’m in the camp that says it’s time to invest some high picks on the o-line. When we won the Supe in 2006 our starting five consisted of three #1’s (Hartings, Faneca and Simmons), a #2 (Smith) and a #3 (Starks). We won the Supe in ‘09 despite the o-line, which now consists of a mixture of two #3’s (Starks and Essex), a #4 (Colon), a #5 (Kemo), a 6 (Hartwig) and two UFA’s (Stapleton/R. Foster). That’s a significant difference. It’s no guarantee that #1’s become solid starters (see: Ricketts, Tom and Stephens, Jamain) but the lack of prime investment on the o-line has defintely weakened us. So yes, let’s jump on Iupati if we can.
One other thing: I live in South Jersey where it’s Eagles country, and the word from the Philly media is that the Rams are hot for Michael Vick. I don’t know if they see him as the answer or as a stop-gap until they can groom a guy like Claussen, but if it’s the former that means they’re probably drafting Suh…
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by cliff harris is still a punk! on Jan 31, 2010 1:05 PM EST reply actions
Agreed on needing O-Line
and I am definitely of the belief that we should go after some high picks in that area, but I was a little worried about some of the reports on Iupati. Maybe it is just something one of y’all could clear up since I have not seen too much game time. I read that, if someone can get inside his (considerable) wing span, then he has difficulty and often resorts to holding. Now, just by imagination, this sounded very familiar to me as what I have seen Kemo do quite a bit. Not to mention, if we take Iupati, are we going to play both he and Kemo together?
I can’t see them successfully manning the LG and RG spots. Just a thought though.
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
Regarding Iupati, he just needs a little work with his technique as all rookies do. Anyone who watched the game yesterday saw Jeff Owens get under his pads and made him look bad. That’s coachable. I would suspect that if we draft him Iupati would play LG and Kemo RG. Kemo is shorter, thicker built and probably better suited to play RG anyway.
So then we are locked into those two for the next five years
are we then satisfied with Colon and Starks as tackles? As devil’s advocate, does Iupati over Kemo as LG improve Starks play and Kemo over Essex as RG improve Colon’s?
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
Well I think we’re locked into Starks at LT because of the big contract we gave him last offseason. Colon is a RFA this year so we could walk away from him if we wanted to, but he’s gotten better every year so I would definitely keep him. A line of Starks, Iupati, Hartwig, Kemo, and Colon would be very formitable.
Having trouble seeing a consistent identity with those guys though
is it a dominant run-blocking line? I do not believe Starks and Hartwig are sufficient then. Is it meant to succeed more in pass protection? That would not be the strong suit of Kemo or Iupati then. And please, if I am mistaken, please by all means correct me.
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
i see it as a very balanced line to be honest
everyone is saying Iupati could possibly play RT, so he must be decent at pass protection while still being a great run blocker. you put him at LG with starks and you have a very good protection for ben’s blind side while still keeping your run game at a high level. then you move kemo to RG with colon and you have what should be a great run blocking tandem on the right. plus with how smart hartwig is at center i think that could be a dominant line
by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 31, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Development will be the key
I think, like Big Jay mentioned above, that if we get a guy like Iupati in here we’ll obviously need to develop him. He’ll be a bit raw, and coming from Idaho a little inexperienced vs. top-flight competition. That’s where the coaching staff will have to earn their paychecks. It doesn’t seem as though Larry Zierlein had much success with developing the young linemen we drafted in ‘07 and ’08 (Hills and Urbik). If Sean Kugler is better at this, it could be a very solid group. And if he can do something with Urbik (I don’t think Hills will ever be an NFL contributor — too slow and soft), all the better…
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by cliff harris is still a punk! on Jan 31, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
That’s how I see it. That line has alot of balance to it. I know Art II said that he wants the team to recommit to the power running game but it’s not ever going to be what it was. This is a passing league now and we have the weapons to be the best at it. What that line will do, as ST#2 so eliquantly put it, is create some great pass protection for Ben on the left as well as a dominant run blocking tandem on the right. We can go back to the power right running game becuase Iupati has the speed and agility to be a great pulling guard.
My assessment of the Vick to St. Louis talk is mostly because the Rams want an excuse to draft Suh. Vick would serve as a stop-gap until next years draft and would give the team an excuse as to why they didn’t draft Clausen or Bradford.
why pay clausen 60 mill?
Suh is worth the price tag. this is what the texans did when they chose mario williams over reggie bush. they definitely knew what they were doing. mario williams has definitely proven himself better than reggie bush.
I agree, Fiore. Clausen is too much of a risk in that spot.
Look at this list of the QB’s drafted #1 overall since Peyton Manning in 1998:
1999 Tim Couch (Cleveland)
2001 Michael Vick (Atlanta)
2002 David Carr (Houston)
2003 Carson Palmer (Cincinnati)
2004 Eli Manning (San Diego, traded to NYG)
2005 Alex Smith (SF)
2007 JaMarcus Russell (Oakland)
2009 Matthew Stafford (Detroit)
If I’m paying a guy over $60 million, I want him to be the type of player that can win my franchise a Super Bowl. That list contains one guy who’s done that, and I don’t think the Giants run in 07 had a whole lot to do with Eli. Carson Palmer’s the best of the bunch, and he hasn’t gotten close to winning one. Unless the Rams think Jimmy Clausen is the next Peyton Manning (which he isn’t), they should draft the beast from Nebraska. You know what you’re going to get with him. Drafting a QB in that spot is too much of a craps shoot. There are so many variables that go into a guy’s success at that position. You have to have the right coordinator, the right talent around you, the right philosophy, etc… Suh is going to be successful in just about any situation. Clausen? I don’t know. So unless St.Louis is cool with playing craps with their $60 million, they shouldn’t do it.
Golf is a contact sport. Football is a collision sport.
by cliff harris is still a punk! on Jan 31, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
One more note on the Rams
Besides, their head coach is Steve Spagnola, who was the DC for the Giants when they won it all in ‘07. Remember how their front four dominated the Patriots and beat the crap out of Brady? Spagnola had more to do with that Super Bowl win than Eli Manning did. Something tells me he’s drooling over Suh. Ownership probably likes the QB, though. It’ll be interesting to see who wins the debate…
Golf is a contact sport. Football is a collision sport.
by cliff harris is still a punk! on Jan 31, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Good Stuff
As to Fiore’s question, the Texans made the right call, but the GM still got thrown under the bus. No one waits the few years to see if the draft works.
I agree with CHISAP!. A D minded head coach, he will go with Sue or McCoy. What will be interesting is how much pull he has. I view Clauses as the next Cutler. Which in the big picture is round 3 of Jeff George. If the head coach has any say, the Rams need a manger vet QB to go with their star RB and to keep rebuilding the D
by SteelBuckeye on Jan 31, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
oh
my gut tells me Clausen is going to the Redskins.
Great stuff Jay!
by SteelBuckeye on Jan 31, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure
that Casserly was gone even before the draft. He drafted him, or moreover, he coordinated the scouting department and coaching staff, but he was already on his way out the door. So, he really did not get thrown under the bus…
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
Paying Suh, or any rookie who hasn’t proven himself in the NFL 60mil is a gamble. For all the reasons listed by others as to why the Rams shouldn’t take Clausen you could use the same logiic for Suh. DT’s have the highest bust rate second only to QB’s, so either way is a gamble. People neeed to take their prejudices for Notre Dame out of the equation. And I’ll admit, I’m the same way. I hate Notre Dame. But Clauen has a great Junior year, with a very high completion rate on a team that was pretty much garbage. And most of the QB’s that go #1 overall fail, not because they lack the skill, but because they are put in unwinable situations. Well except for Vick, he’s just n awful QB, but that’s a discussion for a different day. The point being is that QB is the most important position on the field and the Rams have the chance to take the best one in this draft. They can’t wait until next year. There’s no guarantee that Locker or Mallett will be any better than Clausen will. Both of them come from pass-happy systems. Atleast Clausen played for 3 years in a pro style offense. And there’s no guarantee that either of them will be available when the Rams pick next year. And finally as I pointed out in my mock draft, just because there head coach was a D coorinator doesn’t mean that’s where he’s going with that pick. Schwartz was a D coordinator as well but he went with Stafford because you have to have a QB to win in this league, and win now especially because coachees only hhave a veery limited time to prove themselves before they’re replaced by the next head coach who’s waiting for his chance.
by big_jay71 on Jan 31, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Clausen just doesn't look the part
I don’t like ND either, but that has nothing to do with how I view him as a prospect. He’s like a poor man’s Eli Manning, which is why he’s not worth that 1 pick. If you pick a QB that high, you better be sure he’s the guy. I don’t think anybody here can honestly say that they think Clausen is the next great QB.
The way he throws the ball irks me. I think he’ll just be another Brady Quinn because I see lot of Quinn in him.
by StoneColdSteel on Jan 31, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Well, he is better than
Quinn . Quinn is a weak armed Abercrombie & Fitch model. :)
by SteelBuckeye on Jan 31, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
What is wrong with Abercrombie models?
"Every Day I walk past 6 Lombardi trophies not 6 rushing titles" - Greatest Tomlinism ever.
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Jan 31, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
hypothetical situation:
say the rams take clausen at #1 and there’s a big run on receivers in the first round (like last year). and golden tate becomes the highest receiver left on the board. how likely do you think it is that the rams take him with the first pick in the second round and bring both ND guys to St. Louis? they clearly had some chemistry in college i personally wouldn’t blame them if they did because they also have a need at WR, although it might not be their biggest need.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 31, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
It is a gamble. And it's absurd.
Picture this: you’re an NFL lineman who’s been battling in the trenches for years and have maybe earned $15-20 million over the life of your contract. Nothing to complain about, of course, because it’s great money and probably even enough to take care of all of the health issues you’re going to have after you retire. But then this new kid walks in (or rides in on a golf cart) with $35-40 million guaranteed before he takes a single NFL snap, and he probably has an attitude or air of superiority about him because he’s 22 years old and three times as rich as almost all of his teammates. How fair is that? And how can you not resent him, even a little?
Plain and simple, the league needs a rookie wage scale…
Golf is a contact sport. Football is a collision sport.
by cliff harris is still a punk! on Feb 1, 2010 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
Or at least put the big money on the back end
with a “no play-no pay” clause.
They need to do it the way the NBA does it.
Even the #1 overall draft pick in the NBA can’t earn over 5 million a year, which means they have to play their way into a bigger contract.
by StoneColdSteel on Feb 1, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Post Sr. Bowl Mock
I really don’t have too much negative to think about your mock because it supplies both needs & good college players who should enjoy success in the NFL. My only angst is that we would pass on Charles Brown, or Trent Williams,(who I know has “fallen” out of good graces w/ scouting reports, I’m just not sold that he is a bust considering he played 3 different line positions this year, finally settling on center due to rash of injuries at Okla.), couple that with the fact you have Dan Williams, Brian Price, McCoy & Suh all gone w/ the 1st 4 ELITE OT’s , and I would like Odrick, Brown, Williams, or Jones at 18 in that order.(Odrick 1st choice, etc.)
Good post though!
"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."
Sometimes it sounds as though I’m hating on Trent Williams, but I will attest to the fact that he is the most dominant run blocker in this draft. What I don’t like about him is his pass protection against speed rushers. But if we don’t resign colon in the offseason than I would be fine with drafting him. What I don’t like about Brown though is how lean he is for a tackle. He’s not even 300lbs. He is big enough to handle the big D linemen and rush linebackers in the AFC North. Odrick would be a great pick up, I just don’t see the Steelers using a consecutive 1st round pick on a defensive end, especially when they gave Keisel and extension last offseason.
Hating on Trent Williams.
big_jay71; It would be easy to hate on Trent seeing Stoops flip-flopped him on that O-line more than a politician come election time! :-) I thought Brown weighed in at 304 lbs. at Sr. bowl? Don’t quote me, I’ve been wrong before, ONCE! LOL! Odrick had the drunk campus fight, so it may just be a pipe dream there anyway. I’m not really too, TOO, worried about the O-line if we start running more to protect a 100,000,000 dollar QB. Because we all know Ben is gonna be Ben! So sacks will come.(Sigh) I’m really concerned about the D-line. Not RIGHT now, but in 2 yrs., we could be hurting. So that’s why I’m so big on another D-line at 18, but U, my brother, are 1000% correct, we won’t double down on D-line 2 yrs. running. Only real luxury we enjoy as an organization is that no-one we draft will HAVE to start day one. I wonder, do all Steeler fans realize that?
"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."
I didn’t pay close attention to the SB weigh-ins, so it’s possible that he’s at 304lbs. now but during the season he was playing at 296lbs. Even at 304lbs., that’s still pretty lean for my tastes, especially if the team really wants to reestablish the running game. We could have Minnesota’s offensive line and Big Ben would still take the same amount of sacks because he’ll hold onto the ball until a receiver is open or he gets sacked. As far as the 1st round is concerned, I’m all about getting a value pick that fills a position of need whether it be Iupati, Bulaga, Dan Williams, Odrick, or McClain. I’m leaving Berry off the list because he’s the player I want most but there’s absolutely now way the Steelers would trade up far enough to get him. As far as targets go it would be Berry, McClain, Dan Williams, Iupati, Thomas, and Odrick in that order.
I would love to get Iupati
even at the expense of Williams. However if we do skip on Williams we’ll need to get a NT right after. As much as I would like to have Washington, I’d think we’d go Cam Thomas or Troup, since there are fewer good NTs left.
There is no way we draft a TE! We just drafted one last year that showed promise. Give him time. Based on who’s there we would take Lang and lewis since Norwood will go earlier as will Burnett. He’s a 2nd rd safety.
I getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
Trade Down 1st round
If picking in that position I am all for best available player. If the oppurtunity arises trade down. In the lower end of the 1st round it’s easier to match a need with best available player. I also like the idea of snatching Cody in the second round by trading up. Cody is a steal in the 2nd round. They say his biggest concern is his weight. We have plenty of experience with an overweight NT.
Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
This kid is Ike with hands! He would be a good one to maybe move up in the 3rd to get if at all possible. I think Marty Gilyard is a possibility in the second also considering the kick and punt return aspect and the need for a 2nd/3rd receiver to replace Hines. But I love the Iupati pick unless they target an eventual RT and move Colon inside.
I can’t see us draft a WR in the first 5 rounds. We have too many needs, and WR is not one of them unless by some weird stroke of luck Bryant, Williams, or LaFell manage to drop considerably and are available to us when we pick in the second round. Personally out of all the WR’s I like LaFell the best. He’s a great downfield blocker and I could see him being the next Hines.
yea. barring a significant fall with one of the better receivers i would be against drafting a receiver. call me crazy i havent given up on limas sweed and we already have 3 solidified starters and a great pass catching TE. our skill players are set on offense. but i would like to see us get holliday in the 4th if we could.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 1, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
You're not crazy
Maybe it will all be for nothing in the long run, but I still feel (hope) that Sweed will FINALLY put it all together at some point and have something of a career.
only thing im worried about
is whether the coaching staff will give him any more chances in games to put it together. the only time he’d be on the field is basically if we go to a 5 receiver set since he’s behind ward, holmes and wallace, and i wouldnt want to take miller off the field. plus since they signed galloway it will be very hard for him to see the field.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 3, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Myron Rolle
I see you have the Rhodes Scholar still on the board into the 4th. So you feel the time off will still give teams the jitters or do you think this class of safeties simply displaces him to the 4th due to talent level? I’m not sure about his hands but would it be reasonable to question his ability to switch to free to consider him mocking out to us in the 3rd? I think he playes strong at Fla. St. didn’t he? Anyway, I really like the possibility of that cerebral tandem back there (the ability to diagnose plays is Troy’s greatest attribute even over his obvious physical talent) if his physical talents would allow him to play FS in the NFL.
Not quick to jump on the Myron Rolle bandwagon ...
The dude only had like one interception in college. I give him props for being a Rhodes Scholar but can he play football, and more importantly as a safety in our D, can he make plays on the ball?
I’d rather get someone who has been a playmaker on a big-time level in college. I don’t want just a run-first safety. I want someone who can mirror a WR as well as make plays on the ball. Oh, I want a safety with some speed and quicks, too.
i just think passing on a player as smart and dedicated as he is would be a mistake. when you have people like lebeau and troy mentoring him and teaching him where to be at what times, even as a rookie i doubt he’ll feel too overwhelmed. once he learns the system, which shouldnt take long, lebeau can turn him loose the same way he did with troy. i think if nothing else you’d have the most intelligent pair of safeties in the league and hopefully rolle could learn to trust his insticts the same way troy did.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 3, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
i have to agree with the smartest safety tandem bit. I don’t know that you draft him in the 2nd unless he just shows out at the combine, but i do think taking him in the 3rd would be good value.
I read another post about the kid and have to agree with those who are leery of the hype and support from FSU and ACC fans but I have to agree to some small extent with the fans they are leery of. Some of the lack can be attributed to the system having in the box so much. He did cover TE’s and backs quite a bit and watching games on tape against MD and UVa (I know they’re not that good) he just wasn’t thrown at. You can’t make picks if you’re in man coverage and the ball doesn’t come your way. I wonder if he had lots of picks in HS. I don’t think his athletecism is cause for concern and I have to rebuke a blogger involved in the Myron specific post who said scouts have going in the 5-7 range for a reason…that reason is that he is a Rhodes Scholar and decided to forego his last year of eligibility at FSU or entering the draft last year after graduating FSU a semester early to study at OXFORD! I have no doubt some of us bloggers are professionals in our field but I doubt many of us will ever walk in the same circles as Oxford graduates. They are not necessarily better people, just an s-ton smarter.
I'm not jumping on the Rolle Express Bandwagon
A lot of people laude him for his intelligence, but there’s a difference between book smart and football smart. He had a decent, but not great, career at FSU. Even last year he was projected to be the 5th safety taken in a pretty weak draft class behind Sean Smith, Louis Delmas, Patrick Chung, and William Moore. I’m not saying that he won’t be a good player in the NFL, I’m just not going to put him on a pedistal because of his academic accomplishments. Considering the Steelers need depth at safety, I wouldn’t be opposed to them taking one in the first 3 rounds and still taking Rolle as well IF he lasts until the 5th round.
2-3 Year Window?... Trade Down (Then Up)?
There is a strong core of guys who are in their primes these next years, some at the tail end of their primes— there are some younger guys who have stepped up, others early in development, now with new and hopefully improved coaching in some positions. Now, yes, we want to think long-term stability and competitiveness; that’s what we do; but if there were a time to “go for it” I’d say it’s now… That’s why the team put Casey Hampton as a top priority- if we don’t have to try to replace him yet we can focus on other areas. Not long ago we signed James Harrison, Heath Miller, and Max Starks to big contracts. Assuming Hampton’s situation gets resolved, and we have faith that Aaron Smith rehabs and he and Hines aren’t yet planning to retire, and for now and hopefully more we have Holmes and Woodley and a much-improved Colon, and Troy returns to ‘09 Game 1 form this coming year… and Timmons’ ankles heal and he regains his explosiveness, and Farrior opts to play a little lighter… it’s Go Time! We rarely get these high of picks (thankfully), and so it gives us added flexibility to trade up to a stud prospect at a critical position we wouldn’t otherwise have a shot at, to stay put, or trade back. Say we utilize the value chart and phones to get a favorable trade for a late-1st (#23 to 27 with several possible targets) and a late 3rd. Then maybe we are able to combo our 3rds for a late 2nd. That would give us three picks in the top 60 in a draft that has been said to be about 60-strong. Our GM record at evaluating talent in the first two rounds has arguably been very good – therefore each of those three picks could have high likelihood of making major contributions over the next three years on a potential Super Bowl contender. No?
c/b myron lewis vanderbuilt
does anyone know any thing about this guy? i seen gill brandt comment stating he was a pittsburgh steeler type corner! 6-2 212 lbs. A shutdown corner would be nice but steelers play zone and most shutdown type are not good physical tacklers and blitzers to fit our defense.
looks like good draft for all our needs, with lots of depth at c/b and safety. oline looks good! and there are ilb’s to be had as well.
I commend your energy
There’s no way I would take the time to go through that many picks and try to figure it out. But I agree that we should pick an OL guy #1. A guy like Iupati or Bulaga who can come in and start right away would really help. One of the sports pundits (can’t remember who) made a remark that I agree with. He said to win in the NFL today you need three things: #1- a great QB (no problem here); #2- a very good OL (not so much here) and #3- a defense that can pressure the opposing QB consistently (not so much anymore). It’s pretty likely that we’ll get a shot at one of those two guys for the OL. If not, maybe we can land a top DL guy. I think we’re already well stocked at LB.
our starters are pretty well stocked yeah.
but we need depth and an heir for farrior.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 6, 2010 4:43 AM EST up reply actions

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