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ESPN 1250 out of Pittsburgh is reporting that Steelers Offensive Coordinator Bruce Arians will be fired "In Near Future." BTSC's DrinkYourMilkshake is reporting that a large group of Steeler fans are planning a ticker-tape parade after the move is officially announced.

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I am shocked...

Shocked I say.

Let the debate for a replacement OC begin.

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Jan 5, 2010 3:12 PM EST reply actions  

I'll submit your name.

And mine… and anyone else on this site.

by SteelersVT on Jan 5, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard he could fired as early as today

much like when ND was getting ready to hire their new HC

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: DIck Lebeau, Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Chris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"If you give Arians a fullback, he won’t use one. Instead, he insists on using Matt Spaeth, who probably doesn’t cast a shadow because it would require blocking sunlight." Cliff harris is still a punk with some very true words

by WVPiratesfan on Jan 5, 2010 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

John Riggens

Does that guy know anything about coaching? If he does….he would be cool. IF he coaches at all! LOL!

by Ragnar808 on Jan 5, 2010 3:20 PM EST reply actions  

Riggo is my hero....he told Justice Sandra Day O'Conner to....

“loosen up, Sandy Baby. You’re too tight.”

He’s also an alcoholic and a lunatic, who spent several months of his football retirement living in a storage locker.

I’d party with Riggo any day. But I’d never, ever let him anywhere near my football team.

I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson

by Homer J. on Jan 5, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I was disappointed when his Radio Show was canceled last year, he is great…I would love to see him in the Monday Night Football Booth.

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Jan 5, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Favorite quote from an athlete... ever.

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Jan 5, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm partial to another Riggins quote...

“I’m bored, I’m broke and I’m back.”

by Traco Bucco on Jan 5, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

My Nominee For Favorite Athlete Quote;

Coach to Michael Jordan; “Mike, there is no I in Team.”
Michael Jordan to Coach; “Yeah, but there is in win.”

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Jan 5, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Another Great Riggins Quote

“I can’t say I am surprised, but I am disappointed,” on learning that the Redskins had cut him.

by Hombre de Acero on Jan 6, 2010 8:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I will be honest and say that I was least expecting this

The department, which he is responsible for in the team, improves over the previous year and the person loses his job. LOL.

"We are only going to score 17 points?"

by Han on Jan 5, 2010 3:27 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not a BA hater, but...

Just because the offense improved this year doesn’t mean BA was good. The improved blocking from our O-line might be the single biggest factor. Perhaps the credit should go to Zierlein? Maybe Heath gave lessons to Colon? There could be several reasons, none of which having anything to do with Arians.

by Varmint on Jan 5, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I do not disagree

I just find it hard to imagine what reason the Mgmt might have given to Bruce Arians while giving him the pink slip.

I also want him gone (more so for the reason that he is letting Ben do whatever he wants to do) but I have a fan’s perspective not the Steelers mgmt perspective.

"We are only going to score 17 points?"

by Han on Jan 5, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Good perspective

I have no idea if they even need a reason, though.

by Varmint on Jan 5, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh...you are teetering a dangerous line there

By saying people shouldn’t get credit for the unit they are specifically in charge of. When the defense performs well LeBeau gets all the credit in the world (as he should). But when the same happens for the offense BA gets no credit. Seems a bit biased there.

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 5, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

But I think LeBeau has tangible credentials that fans can grasp. The zone blitz is a known quantity. His record for putting good units on the field also speaks volumes. He’s earned the respect of the league. LeBeau has demonstrated the ability to work with a range of players. There is evidence of his expertise. He has earned the trust/faith we place in him.

BA doesn’t have any of that. While I agree that armchair OCs are not the most qualified critics, the tangibles we do have for BA are not especially strong.

by Varmint on Jan 5, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

BA fielded the only Steelers offense to boast a 4,000 yard QB and 2 1,000 yard receivers. And, somehow (even though he doesn’t run it enough) got a 1,000 yard back. Steelers fans need to take a deep breath, step back, and look at the season. Do you really think it was the offense that lost us games? Or was it the defense and special teams? I’d vote for the latter.

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 5, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Like 5020

said we got 1,000 more yards this season but only 21 more points, thats only 3 TDs. You do the math. You don’t get points for yardage. Ever thought we could have overcame the weak defense and special teams with a few extra points if the play calling doesn’t undermine the running game and stall drives and settle for FGs in the red zone?

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 5, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually that was me who said that in MR's post

No, we would have won more games if the ST didn’t give up TDs and the defense didn’t collapse in the 4th quarter. Yeah the offense could have helped them out, but they were not at fault for losing. A good defense helps an offense by creating short fields through turnovers and stuffs. We didn’t see a lot of that this year. I just don’t see how the offense can be blamed more than the defense or ST.

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 5, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong

The offense was not and is not perfect. But it had a much better year than the defense or ST.

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 5, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok I'll give you that but

a good defense helps an offense. What?? Yes it does but the other half of the strategy is that a good offense helps the defense thru TOP, field position, & scoring.

by steelerstyle on Jan 5, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Our offense won TOP
  1. in the league if I remember correctly. Field position I believe we were 11th? Scoring…well the RZ play calling needs to improve.

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 5, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

stupid formatting

that was supposed to say number 5 in the league

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 5, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

TOP figures were skewed by kickoff coverage disasters....

If you march down the field and hold the ball for five minutes and kick a field goal….and then kick off to the other team and they take it back to the house…you have a TOP advantage of five minutes versus 15 seconds…and you still have the ball…but you have been outscored.

Eight times this season, opponents took a kickoff to the house. In this one instance, that skewed the numbers to irrelevance.

I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson

by Homer J. on Jan 5, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You really think 8 return TDs skews an entire 16 game season that probably saw us face around 160 drives (give or take 10). And consider we had 2 of our own return TDs and several big returns that made out for short returns. It all averages out, I don’t think those 8 TDs skew the stat as much as you believe.

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 6, 2010 7:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

but why not improve both sides of the ball, you would agree that the defense is a personnell issue – you can’t fix that until after feb. you might as well try to get a better OC now before they all get hired up.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 5, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

What if the OC we bring in is not better?

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 5, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

If if was a fifth we'd all be drunk

can’t live or play scared bro :)

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 5, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok Rex Grossman, you throw it deep on every play. I’m still not sold on getting rid of BA. Doesn’t seem logical to me.

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 5, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

When I said that

you can’t keep a guy because you scared you can’t bring in someone better. There was a post of guys who will compete for the job, I think Mike Sherman should be a guy to be considered. but thats just my opinion. We know tomlin isn’t the type to live/play scared, you play/coach to win and thats what I believe he will do.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 5, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

you throw it deep on every play

LOL, isn’t that what BA wants to do? ;)

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 6, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Only if the defense is bringing enough pressure to hit Ben every dropback.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Jan 6, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

This isn’t about the team winning or losing. This is about the impact of one man on the team. One might ask: with all the talent on the offensive side of the ball, why couldn’t BA do better? Were we short a good RB? Did we lack for good WRs or a good TE? Was our QB a bust?

by Varmint on Jan 5, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't either

I don’t know how one CEO can improve 1,000 units and 21 points while another CEO digresses 1,000 units and 101 points (minus the kick return stuff) and all we do is bash the guy who improved while the guy who regressed gets a lifetime pass at unconditional affection. That bothers me.

I think we’re too hard on Arians. t seems to me that every guy on the offense had the best year of his career (except Hines, who has had many of these years). That said, if the Steelers do fire him, I’ll admit that I just don’t have the instincts that many of you have, unless of course,the new guy does worse!

Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history

by maryrose on Jan 5, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed!

He is not perfect and neither is the O-Line!

by nycsteelerfan on Jan 5, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

The guy who improved 1000 units and 21 points didn't deal with super key injuries, loss of starters, or anything else

Troy Polamalu is the biggest impact player on defense in the NFL, hand’s down imo. Lebeau’s schemes, for better or for worse, are for the most part designed around him. Of the most underrated players in the league, our cyclops Aaron Smith is one of the biggest impact d line men in the league.

Do you think Arians doesn’t regress more than 1000 yards and 101 points without Ben and Holmes for the entire year? That’s about how I evaluate it.

by klompus on Jan 6, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree in part

But why didn’t LeBeau switch up schemes when Troy went down? Why keep the same schemes that are “designed” around Troy? At what point does he realize Troy isn’t coming back?

Also, Foote is not a viable argument since Timmons is faster and younger. Farrior was the problem at ILB. The point is, LeBeau knew he would not have Foote and McFadden, and knew early he wouldn’t have Smith, so he should been able to adjust around their absences. The status of expectation doesn’t change.

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 6, 2010 8:06 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So you're saying

to completely change a defensive scheme, that they have been practicing for 3 or 4 years straight? Like you said, the standard of expectation does not change, even if the personnel does. You can’t ask them to learn a whole new scheme after the first game of the year, unless you want them to be the laughing stock of the league…

"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin

by Steel Spike on Jan 6, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

They will still be playing a 3-4 it is not a huge change like going from a 3-4 to 4-3 or vice versa. Just an adjustment to not having your most dynamic playmaker there. We actually sort of did this with the zones we played, but Gay and Carter were too slow for that system.

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 6, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Gay was too slow

just he lacks the natural talent and instincts that, oh say, Revis has. Of course, they can’t all be Revis island, or that Raiders CB (can’t think of his name right now, ass-something), but we should be able to expect our #2 CB to cover the oppositions #2 WR.

And you’re right, Carter is too slow and takes bad angles to boot. He’s a great blitzer, but out in deep coverage, or stopping a RB in the flat, he sucks. Of course, we are spoiled because we’re used to watching football jesus, but still we should be able to expect his back up to not have THAT much of a drop off in production.

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-Lois Griffin

by Steel Spike on Jan 6, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

It's obvious to me at least that Lebeau did try to adjust his system at first

do you remember the streak of 5 or so games when we lost Troy the second time? I don’t have the stats on me, but it seemed like the pash rush just wasn’t getting there and it seemed to me that was because they were dropping more people in coverage to make up for Troy. The fact of the matter is that even with a more adjusted system, there was not enough good backups to make up for those losses. William Gay just ended up not having as much as we thought, Larry Foote could have helped out old man.

by klompus on Jan 6, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

MR, when accounting for all of the return TDs, the defense’s points allowed rank was more in line with their yards allowed rank, while the offense was racking up yards but leaving points on the field. Plus, BA has a negative track record while LeBeau has a positive one.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 6, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

offense was to blame simply for this reason

Our defense fizzled in the fourth quarterm why? too much time on the field. Gone where the 60% run 40% pass clock eating 8 minute drives. especially late in the game with a lead we need to be able to eat 7 minutes of clock handing the ball off that to me is the big difference between previous years and this year. That and not enough pressure on QB’s it is almost like there was a memo to the refs that holding Harrison is to be over looked.

by thefirst3peat on Jan 6, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

spelling

4th quarter
Also I would add that it is a team Sport I think you have to factor what effect the style of offense we ran had on our defense.

by thefirst3peat on Jan 6, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Our team had a better TOP this year than last year. So the defense was actually on the field less this year. Care to try another argument?

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 6, 2010 8:02 AM EST up reply actions  

not the same defense

different defense so it needed even less time on the d field.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 6, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

That isn’t really possible. The best team in the league was only 30 seconds or so better than us. So you expect the offense to crush the NFL record for TOP or else they did a bad job?

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 6, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I mean if you look at the defense

there wasn’t much you can do. So its up to the offense to pick up the slack. If you have a lead in the 4th quarter the clock is your friend – let it run.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 6, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

What about the Raiders, Chiefs, and Ravens games? All three games the offense got the go ahead score and then the defense surrendered points. What else can the offense do? Score 50 points every game?

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 6, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

2 Things The Offense Can Do

1) Score Touchdowns instead of FGs

2) 13 play 80 yard drives with 7 minutes TOP instead of 3 play 80 yard drives with 2 minutes TOP. (last drive vs Miami)

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Jan 6, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

1) Every team has to kick field goals every once and awhile

2) So we should never take shots down the field? Or if Mendy breaks open in the field he should stop?

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 6, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Just saying that is 2 two things the offense could have done better to help out an aging and injured defense.

The Steelers have regularly leaked in the secondary since 01. When they win it’s because they get a pass rush (Porter, Harrison) to get off the field on 3rd down and or a dominant running game (Bus)

Too many times the Steelers got the ball with 6 or 7 minutes left and a small lead and immediately went deep to Wallace. IMO that doesn’t win ballgames Johnny. (example; 2009)

No reason to be scared of making a mistake. Again, I state that the meek do not achieve greatness. BA is not the only guy in the world that can OC. Too many examples in BAs past of busted game plans. He was part of a Lombardi team but not integral.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Jan 6, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I do agree with 5020 somewhat

My memory of 2009’s offense will always be the 2 play 70 yard drives that took a grand total of 35 seconds off the clock and putting a tired old D on the field. Whether or not that’s wrong I’m not sure.

by klompus on Jan 6, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

13 play 80 yard drives with 7 minutes TOP instead of 3 play 80 yard drives with 2 minutes TOP. (last drive vs Miami)

I do not agree to this. The offense should try to score points. Period. Any opportunity they get to score a TD they should do it.
Trying to go 80 yards by taking maximum amount of time possible is assuming that 1. the defense will always let us move the ball at will and 2. we won’t be turning the ball over. We do not have a crystal ball.

"We are only going to score 17 points?"

by Han on Jan 6, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

In The 4th Quarter

a 6 minute drive with 6:45 left ices the game.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Jan 6, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree to that

What I do not agree is that we are assuming that we can easily drive the field consuming 6-8 minutes. There is always a possibility of the opposing defense stopping us in our next 10 yards. I would rather take the points in that case, no matter if they come within 3 plays.

"We are only going to score 17 points?"

by Han on Jan 6, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

BA Record Setting 09 Offense

1) 25% of the games (4/16) scored only 1 TD
2) Ben sacked 156 times in 3 years of BA offense.
3) No Ben No Lombardi
4) Middle of pack in points scored 3 years running.
5) 21st in RZ offense in 2009 behind Tampa

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Jan 6, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone with enough oxygen to their brain

would understand that with the talent on our offense we should be comfortably in the top 5 for points.

by steelerstyle on Jan 5, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you read anything I have posted in this comment? Or are you too busy regurgitating lousy comebacks?

I said the offense needs to improve in the RZ, specifically in play calling.

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 5, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually I have been a luke warm BA supporter until

Legurski was used as a FB just once. I turned to a hater after the Cleveland debacle.

by steelerstyle on Jan 6, 2010 6:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Now you’re going in circles. Sure, the offense was better this year. I never wrote otherwise. What I wrote was that BA may not deserve credit for that. What evidence is there to suggest that BA is the guy who made it happen?

by Varmint on Jan 5, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

What evidence is there to suggest that BA is the guy who made it happen?

Because he is the guy calling all the plays. I dont see how he wouldn’t be….?

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 5, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe...

The last few weeks our offense has being clicking on all cylinders in the beginning of the game. Generally, as far as I have understood, the first 15 plays or more are scripted which comes down the head coach. Am I wrong on that? If that was the case then Tomlin had final say on the plays he wanted run.

Bringing the Wood!

by redmik on Jan 5, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

there is always the popular idea that our offense improves ten-fold when Ben is calling the plays from the no huddle.

by klompus on Jan 6, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

That is because a team doesn’t prepare to play a no-huddle offense. Also, when they are not able to substitute playing defense becomes a lot harder. If we ran no-huddle whistle to whistle, I guarantee you it would not be as successful.

No-huddle works because it completely changes the style and pace of the offense.

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 6, 2010 8:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but it is an indicator that BA doesn’t understand play calling flow to set a defense up. Ben seems to be a better play caller than BA at times.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 6, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

He's a coordinator

he calls the plays, he doesn’t coach the line, receivers, running backs, ETC…

His play calling was unimaginative at best, completely idiotic at worst. He didn’t make the needed adjustments during the game when the D had figured it out.

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-Lois Griffin

by Steel Spike on Jan 5, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

50 fewer points in the 2nd half agrees with your 2nd statement (especially the third quarter drop)

Points Per Quarter (from maryrose’s post)
   …………. First Second Third Fourth OT
Steelers …….81 … 126 … 61 …. 97 …. 3
Opponents …52 …..75 …. 56 ….135 … 6

It would be interesting to see time of possession by half or quarter.

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by Sick Puppy on Jan 6, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

I’m not a huge “stats guy”, but I did watch every single game this year (as opposed to just the ones on tv last year), and I saw the D adjust, usually right after half time.

IMO, BA is a stubborn, arrogant prick, who refuses to change the way he runs “his” offense.

"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin

by Steel Spike on Jan 6, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I will do it

I just won’t get it done until the weekend because work is super busy this week.

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 6, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Steelers new offensive coordinator is ....

Current Steelers RBs coach Kirby Wilson. One of Tomlin’s first hires from outside, he knows the teams current personnel on offense as well as what they can do in the running game with the pieces that they have.

I think he already know what needs to happen to improve on the OL in the running game. Special teams coach Bobby April just opted out of his contract with Buffalo, so it would be huge if Tomlin could somehow get him back to Pittsburgh.

Anyone up for a return to smash-mouth football on both sides of the ball in the Burgh?

by datruth4life on Jan 5, 2010 3:28 PM EST reply actions  

he'd be an interesting choice and it would be even more interesting to see how much he changes the offense terminology

If an inside hire would prevent Ben from having to learn a whole new offense, I’m all for it. Wilson has never been more than a positional coach but I guess guys have to be promoted sometime.

by cgolden on Jan 5, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't wait for run first football...

Then everyone can complain that we aren’t getting the ball to our premier playmakers on the outside.

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Jan 5, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

True

During Cowher era we were always complaining that we do not pass more. We always played “not to lose”.

"We are only going to score 17 points?"

by Han on Jan 5, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone up for a return to smash-mouth football on both sides of the ball in the Burgh?

Sorry, but no.

charity standing orders

by BadMaafala on Jan 5, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

With our current personnel?

We’ve got one of the NFL’s premier quarterbacks (to whom we are paying a ton of money), as well as a pair of Super Bowl MVP receivers. Ward, Holmes, Wallace and Miller are one of the best receiving corps around, if not the best outright. At RB we have Mendenhall, who is certainly better than he used to be, but he’s a far cry from being considered one of the league’s best. FWP is all but out the door.

It might not mesh with what Steeler football has been in the past, but look at the players on the roster: this is NOT a run-first team.

The running game is still important, of course, especially in the 4th quarter when running out the clock is a priority, and that’s an area where our offense really needs to improve. But a run-first philosophy just doesn’t fit with the current roster.

by BigRedSteelerFan on Jan 5, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

You return to smash-mouth football

and you can say goodbye to Tone at least, and probably Wallace when he finishes up his rookie contract. These players will simply not stay if Ben is only throwing the ball 15-20 times a game. And you can’t blame them. We have the personal to have one of the best balanced attacks in the league. I’m not saying pass Peyton Manning or Donovan Mcnabb percentages every game, but don’t just run it for the sake of running it

by klompus on Jan 6, 2010 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

they won't stay regardless

if they looking for money

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 6, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Steelers as of late have been paying their players

whether or not 09 shows that is a mistake has yet to been seen

by klompus on Jan 6, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder...

If there is any truth to the rumer that the Steelers (Tomlin) made the decision after Arians asked to draft another tight end?

Seriously though, I’ve been checking the internet every hour to see if Arians has bee n fired, not to mention some others.

Potentially good news.

Thanks Shake.

by WyoFan on Jan 5, 2010 3:32 PM EST reply actions  

How about Jim Zorn?

Kidding!!! Just kidding.

I was thinking that it should be someone relatively young, and familiar with the team culture or similar. it has to be someone who understands how style of offense and defense are complimentary and inter dependent. BA just never got it.

by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Jan 5, 2010 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t think Zorn is a bad offensive mind, I just think he was in over his head in Washington. I’m not sure how his scheme of choice would fit our personnel though. If I were Tomlin, I’d entertain a conversation with him.

charity standing orders

by BadMaafala on Jan 5, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

With teams like Washington or Oakland

it’s nearly impossible to tell how bad a coach is. For all we know, they have the owners sitting in on every practice meeting telling them what to do for this that and the other. I feel bad for Mike Shanahan going into that position unless it says somewhere in his contract that Dan Snyder will officially “fuck off at Shanahan’s command”

by klompus on Jan 6, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions  

That's one thing I think Shannahan wouldn't put up with

I’m sure he’s made it very clear that Danny Boy signs the checks but has very little involvement in the team after that.

by cgolden on Jan 6, 2010 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Well I don’t think Ken Laird or me said he was fired today…just that he is reported to be fired in the near future.

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Jan 5, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

We all knew that already (or at least thought it). I still think he has a shot at holding his job.

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 5, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I will never understand the total hatred Steeler fans have for Arians. Under him the Steelers had pretty good offenses and won a Super Bowl.
I don’t mind finding someone new. Just that someone who has been pretty damn successful is hated so much.

by Cols714 on Jan 5, 2010 3:47 PM EST reply actions  

won a Super Bowl.

That is bad logic. The Steelers OL last year also won a SB. IMO, BA should keep his job because the offense performed very well this year and it was the defense that played like crap. We should be most concerned about making personnel changes there (not the coach, the players).

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 5, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure I agree, won a Super Bowl doesn’t mean much on its own. However, the offense has been pretty good under Arians the last three years and the Steelers won lots of games. Neither one means much on its own, but put the two together, good offense, won a lot of games, and you have something.

Now, I certainly don’t think the offense can’t be improved, and maybe Arians is part of the problem. It’s just that I don’t understand why so many fans absolutely hate the guy. His tenure here has been pretty successful.

by Cols714 on Jan 5, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I initially got caught up in the blame Arians fire. After the season ended, and really the last few weeks, I’ve really looked at the numbers and I don’t see how you can blame him. The offense did a great job and it was the defense and ST that was losing games.

Not saying BA is perfect, because he does have his problems in the RZ, running the ball, and clock management. However, I think a slight hand in the mix from Tomlin could get BA to adjust. That would be a lot easier than going out and getting a completely new OC, IMO.

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 5, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

IMO we have been winning games despite BA.

Ben scrambles and makes plays that just aren’t there, because of BA’s play calling? C’mon, man. Did BA call that 19 yard pass to Wallace to win the GB game? Ben escaped, ran around a bit, and found Mikey for the tie.

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by Steel Spike on Jan 5, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d say we won despite the defense and ST. No, but all of the plays that lead us down the field got Ben in position to even make that play. You cannot watch the last domino fall if you don’t trigger the first one, ya know what I mean?

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 6, 2010 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

If Ben doesn't break a tackle

extend a play Arains butt would be cooked. You can’t have an offensive gameplan that rely’s on your QB breaking out of sacks. I believe that BA doesn’t mind going to an empty set because he is so far up Ben’s rear end that he thinks the man can do anything, even if a rusher breaks through – Ben will break the tackle. I’m sorry but I’m just not conformable with that being a game plan.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 6, 2010 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Bad Argument

BA had scored 30 points and the defense had failed to stop GB all game. Not BA’s fault in that game at all. BA and Ben should not have had to orchestrate that last minute drive to win the game. Tomlin simply needs to tell BA that he wants to utilize a FB. Easy enough.

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 6, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Not easy

because BA doesn’t want to use a FB and is adament about that. His whole offensive scheme is predicated upon TEs shifting which telegraphs the defense where you are going to run the ball and is counter-intuitive and gets you no where. I honestly believe that if Tomlin told BA that he needs to us a FB, BA would object therefore tomlin fires him. I have no problem utilizing the pass its just the play calling that sabotages the running game and the red zone that kills me.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 6, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

If we are “telegraphing” runs and it “gets us now where” how did our back have a 4.5 ypc? Seems like he was getting places to me.

Then that is what Tomlin does. When he sits down with BA this week he says “here is what is going to happen”. Not “what do you think about” or “maybe we should try”. If BA objects to utilizing a FB and running the ball a bit more, then yes, insubordination should result in firing. However, I still stand by that BA should not be fired because of his performance this year.

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 6, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I can see

and appreciate your PoV, Johnny, but the fact remains that you just can’t gameplan Ben’s ability to make things happen when a play/O-line breaks down completely. Tell the truth; do you think BA would have won any games this year were he the OC on, say, the Lions? or Seattle?

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by Steel Spike on Jan 6, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

That really is not a relevant question

I’d bet the OC from every team in the NFL would not win with good players. The Lions have a bad OL and the seahawks are a mess.

BA performed with this offense. As I said in this thread, I’d bet good money that less than 25% of our yards came from “broken Ben plays” this year. Probably less than 15%.

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 6, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not complaining about what ba did for most of the game

it’s his inability to change even after it was obvious the opposing D had it figured out.

The Lions and Seahawks were just examples pulled off the top of my head. Still haven’t had sufficient coffee this morning…

Sure, BA called some good games, (butt-flop reverse, anyone?), but when he needed to switch it up, (’Tone’s pass/int aside) he did not. When an offense becomes predictable, well, that’s when you get multiple 3 and out’s. Which puts unneeded pressure on an already struggling D. Look what happened when we ran the ball in the 4th of the Miami game. Yes, BA has called good games this year, but he is inconsistent, and resistant to change.

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by Steel Spike on Jan 6, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

And

BA had some good games but laid way to many eggs over the last 3 years for me. Time to move on and see what else is out there besides a stubborn 57 year old. Where is the next Josh McDaniel?

In 07 there was a litany of games where the O was inept and aimless. See DEN, NYJ AZ etc. In 08 the offense was inconsistent again. If not for a defense some of BTSC called “the greatest D of all time” the Steelers would not have won XLIII. In 09 again a litany of evidence that BA does not get it.

Also 3 years down the road the offensive line has shown some improvement but not much, the running game and short yardage has not improved and Ben has not become the elite QB (Manning, Brady) that many (including 5020) cited him as being moving into 2009. I love Ben and he is good and a winner but he needs to get better. Elite QBs lead their team to the playoffs (Manning, Brady, Brees) they don’t lose to KC, Oak and Cleve.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Jan 6, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

To be fair

the D and ST had more to do with those horrible losses than Ben and the O did. Not saying it was all on the D and ST, but that was the glaring weakness in those games, IMO.

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by Steel Spike on Jan 6, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree Fever.

Lot’s of things they need to do to improve all phases of the game. But, this post is titled “Bruce Arians”

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Jan 6, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I know

situational play calling has definitely been lacking, IMO. We need a more dynamic play caller to even contend for a divisional title next year. People (opposing DC’s) have begun to figure us out, based on the predictable play calling by one Bruce Arians.

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by Steel Spike on Jan 6, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I Posted Above

that the BA offense scored only 1 TD in 25% of the games, was 21st in RZ offense behind TB and middle of the pack in points scored. Great stats but inconsistent for 3 years, doesn’t protect 7 & not enough W’s in 09.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Jan 6, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Very true

But, at the same time we have been spoiled by being fans of the single best organization in professional sports. So, when we have all these stats, and still miss the playoffs, well, it stands to reason we will be upset. And rightfully so, IMO. We don’t need better production, we need wins.

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by Steel Spike on Jan 6, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Offense Has Been Atrocious

1) In The Red Zone
2) In Short Yardage
3) Eating clock in the 4th Quarter

These 3 area’s of situational football are much more important than the statistics put up. Also many of the yards accumulated in 07 and 08 were on busted plays that Ben improvised to big gains. As one sage on this site noted we gained 1000 extra yards in 2009 but scored only 21 more points.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Jan 5, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Also many of the yards accumulated in 07 and 08 were on busted plays that Ben improvised to big gains

I’d bet a good dollar that the amount of yards on busted plays is under 25%.

Anyway, I think all three problems are fixable in the same way. Consistent blocking and running the football. I think it would be a lot easier to get BA to use the run than it would be to start all over again with a new OC.

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 5, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't teach an Old dog new tricks

there is a reason why he was coaching the browns at one point….

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 5, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

I see the exact same facts. Red zone, Short Yardage, eating clock & think the only solution is to get rid of BA

by steelerstyle on Jan 5, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

What happens if the OC you bring in is worse than BA? What guarantee do you have that he will be better?

BA can adjust those problems easier than a complete change, IMO.

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 5, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

You are entitled

to your opinion. But all I am saying you are not going to get a better short yardage game from a guy who doesn’t want to run. You aren’t going to get a better redzone offense for a guy who doesn’t want to change. So hopeing BA will change is some what of a dream imo. :)

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 5, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Ben doesn’t want to change the way he plays, so do we continue letting him play recklessly? We can’t change his ways, right?

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 5, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

lol so trade him

lol j/k You can get find OC, but you can’t find franchise Quaterbacks. The only downside I see is if a guy wants to come in and run a completely new system that the Qb has to learn, I doubt tomlin will pick that guy.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 5, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally respect your opinion Johnny as well as your knowledge of the game. By looking at my signature you can ascertain I am usually pretty conservative in my approach.
But in regards to BA, if you bring in the wrong guy you fire him. Odds are you’re going to bring in a talented guy that will win a HC position in a couple years. (See Chan Gailey, Mike Mularkey, Dom Capers, LeBeau, Whiz etc under Cowher)

Nothing wrong with being conservative but you can’t be scared either. If the Rooney’s were scared owners they would have never hired MT. IMHO BA is who he is. He is no young coach. He was the same at Cleve as he is here. You remember the 02 playoff game he lost to PITT? How many games did we lose like that in 07 and 09 with his offense. The only thing that made 08 different was a defense that rivaled the 1976 Steel Curtain.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Jan 5, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

The thing is, what if we find out that OC is the wrong guy mid-season? You cannot fire him there…we’d be screwed. Whoever we hire has to be the right answer now, because we have the talent to win SBs now. Who knows what personnel we will have down the line. We cannot waste years on trial and error.

I guess the hardest thing I am failing to grasp about this whole argument, is that, excluding Cleveland, how was BA to blame for any of the losses? Here is how I see it. Bears – bad kicking by Reed and Holmes couldn’t catch anything. Bengals – defensive collapse in the 4th. Bengals – the return TD was a dagger. KC – return TD, defensive collapse in the 4th and OT. Baltimore – No Ben and D collapse late. Oakland – bad defense late. Browns – bad play calling by BA. I only see one loss being his fault. If someone can break that down different I’d love to hear it.

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 6, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Right

but when we needed it most, we could have overcame all that if it wasn’t for that Browns game, we could have overcame all those mistakes gotten to the playoffs and possibly Troy back if it wasn’t for that browns game. There is no excuse for that crap they put on the field that game.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 6, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

There isn’t. And there is no excuse for the crap the defense and ST did all year, even with injuries. The Browns game should not have had to been a “must win” with wins over the lousy Chiefs and Raiders.

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 6, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Right

But there was nothing we could do about the defense. T. Carter is who he is and we have him so we have to live with him. You saw the scheme change, that wasn’t the problem thats why I don’t blame Lebeau what I saw was mistackles guys taking bad angles and guys falling down. It wasn’t a case of scheme, Yea Farrior got exploited but what do you want hiim to do blitz every down?

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 6, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Same for

William Gay, Burnett is a 5th round rookie, how can you really expect this defense to have improved this year? In the beginning of the season I questioned whether William Gay was gonna be able to handle a starting role. Obviously now we see that he can’t and there is no subsititute for playing a whole season, we thought cause he stepped in for a couple of games he would be straight – wrong teams got to break his tendencies down and attack him since he was the starter. I don’t blame the D because they just aren’t good. Our offense is suppose to be all that and a bag of chips so in my opinion its was up to them to step up, run some clock and get out of there with a win. After the first Cincy game I told my dad, I don’t trust this defense – its not the same so you can’t play offense the same way. He wouldn’t listen. I think BA system is fine if you have a dominating defense. It doesn’t matter if you only get FGs because more likely your defense isn’t going to give up any points at all. But when the defense goes from giving up 12 points a game to 22 points a game you need to start playing offense differently. Its a team game so its not fair to just blame the defense, By no means am I saying this season is completely BA’s fault. I think everyone up here knows how defense sucks. But when you lose you get the opportunity to change – it makes sense. BA should have been gone last year but the defense and Ben saved his tail. We brushed the offensive woes aside because we won a super bowl. But the fact of it is this, if Ba is not running the offense like Tomlin wants it and refuse to change because this is the same BA from cleveland and always will be then he deserves to be fired. Tomlin says he wants to play smashmouth football then BA comes out and says thats now how he runs an offense. Tomlin comes out and says he wouldn’t mind using a FB and BA says there is no FB in his offense. This was all reported on ESPN 1250 and they made a big deal out of it asking why was the OC at odds with the HC. I didn’t take it seriously at the time but they have a point, if the OC isn’t running the team the way the HC wants it then you can be sure he will be gone especially if he doesn’t produce points. We get all caught up in these yards but we don’t get points for yards. If you can’t score TDs in the 4th quarter you are going to leave the door open for other teams. The only game that wasn’t like that was the Oak game but I say why in the world were we only up 10-6 against Oak going into the 4th quarter? Then all of a sudden in the 4th we can score at will on those guys? Why weren’t we doing that at the beginning of the game? I understand J where you are coming from. It may seem odd and offput to fire a coach that gains so much yards. But you are going to get what you are going to get out of Arians no matter what, he has reached his ceiling our offense hasn’t so they need a new care taker to help them reach that ceiling. You want to keep leads in the 4th quarter? Keep the defense off the field -thats the best way to do it.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 6, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

hey

word on the street was Holmes was playing with a sprained wrist that game. He didn’t want Ward bashing him probably so he played and caught nothing

by klompus on Jan 6, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

If he hasn't done it by now

what makes you think he will change, we all know BA is very stubborn it may have been a case were Tomlin wanted to go in a new direction and BA either didn’t agree or didn’t fit with that new direction, in that case he deserves to go.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 5, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I really can’t argue the above, you really did hit the nail on the head, but what I can’t understand why we keep harping only on the offense?

We talk about eating clock in the fourth quarter, but no one cares that our defense allowed a miserable 135 points in the fourth quarter — 31st in a field of 32. It’s almost like we want our offense to not score so quickly so the defense won’t be vulnerable (Oakland). We even conceded an onside kick to Green Bay because we knew they were going to score. The onside kick allowed the offense to win the game.

We talk about situational footbal. What is more situational than not being able to stop anyone on third and fourth downs? We were 28th in a league of 32. And how many times were they third and long? Why do we pull our hair out when the offense does an empty-set third and one (I do too), but no one says a peep about giving up 43% of crucial third down plays?

We talk about red zone. I read a chart where our offense was 9th in the NFL and the defense was 15th. Yet all we do is harp on the offense?

Since the season ended, this entire board has been about the offense. We question how a unit can gain 1,000 yads but only increase 21 points, but we don’t even sniff the unit that lost, 1000 yards and lost 101 points( minus the kick returns, I know).

That’s what has me puzzled.

Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history

by maryrose on Jan 5, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Because then you have to doubt LeBeau

And he’s loved for the units he put together over the years. We take the D for granted.

With new investors, evolution of the Steeler game, change is coming. Change is feared.

by Twell on Jan 5, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

IMO

I’ve been watching the Steelers version of the 3/4 defense for some time. Looking at the Steelers defense over the last decade the way to beat them has been to abandon the run, spread them out and throw…quickly. I submit; Gannon and the Raiders in 02, Brady and the Pats* in 03 and 04, Most of 07, Warner in the 4th quarter in XLIII as my evidence. The more the Steelers defense is on the field the more it is exposed.

In the seasons where the Steelers have had a ferocious pass rush and or a dominant running game they get off the field on 3rd down at some point or stay off the field. It is my belief that the problem with the Steelers defense is that they have aged and were injured. I don’t see a problem with LeBeau only that once Troy was injured there was no one behind him. Once Aaron Smith went down opponents were able to better scheme the pass rush. The last time the Steelers picked this high they got Timmons and Woodley. Now add that to the defensive backfield in the pending draft. With a healthy Troy you’re a long way to fixing the defense.

The issue on offense is not the players. Mendenhall & Parker are more than capable players. Ben is a top tier QB. Holmes & Ward are Super Bowl MVPs. Miller, Wallace etc. My issue is the haphazard play calling that sends the defense right back onto the field. If we could control the clock in the last quarter the chances for victory increase. I submit Cowher’s record with a 10 point lead which is like 111-1-1. To the contrary I humbly submit the Cleve Browns 02 offense which held a 24-7 2nd half playoff lead and a QB that threw for 400 yards but lost..

In conclusion MR I think that if and when we get to posting about the issues with the defense there will be just as much vitriol at 51, 23, 26 & 22 as BA. Do I have some issues with LeBeau? A scheme that includes Farrior covering anyone on 3rd down for one.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Jan 5, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

There's plenty of talk about the defense in the draft threads

Why are we talking about the defense in the Arians thread? Whether the defense is bad or not, the question is whether Arians is the right play caller for this offense, or whether we can do better by hiring a new play caller.

by Steelin on Jan 6, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

There is actually an easy answer...

the offense is talent-laden and was healthy for almost 100% of the season. The defense lost 2 All-Pro Caliber players. Tell me how the offense would have done without Ben and Hines?

I’ve never said BA and the offense are responsible for losses, but they should be just as accountable as the defense. The defensive collapses were obvious (health), the reason the offense couldn’t score is obvious (BA’s playcalling).

In all honesty, I believe Arians’ playbook is not the problem. It is him calling the plays.

by mactastic07 on Jan 6, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Although i can’t stand that shifting-to-where-the-ball-is-being-ran-so-the-defense-knows-where-to-shift-before-the-ball-is-snapped-scheme that crap needs to go. I watched the miami game saw heath go in motion – the defense shift and they run the ball right in the same direction – no game. Next run play ward goes into motion – defense shift – they run the ball right in the same direction – no game. Its not only harder when the defense knows you are going to run but when they know where you are going to run its even more difficult. Its actually a pretty stupid idea.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 6, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

For me, here’s the biggest thing. Especially before the Raiders game, it had become common for us to dominate on both sides of the ball early, but the offense left too many points on the field. In games that we should have been up by 4 scores, we had ten point leads. Then, either STs or the offense would give up a splash play (KR, PR, INT or fumble for TD). In the flow of the game, if you give away points in games that you are dominating, you give the opponent hope. In no way do I discount the 3rd down stats or fourth quarter points allowed, but I think that the team had gotten into a mindset of expecting to collapse in the 4th quarter. How else do explain the fact that the defense was 2nd in the league (at one point, at least) in points allowed through 3 quarters, but 31st in 4th quarter points allowed? Surely, the defense deserves criticism, but in games where they were dominating everywhere but the scoreboard through quarters, it was the offense’s fault for not burying teams when they had the opportunities and the STs fault for horrible coverage.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 6, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Depth was the defense's problem

not the 11 starters, but the lack of talent behind them.

And, I think Troy and Aaron’ injuries were exacerbated by the departure of Foote and B-Mac. We probably should’ve kept both those last two…

by tobiathan on Jan 6, 2010 4:39 AM EST up reply actions  

IMO

Ziggy stepped up HUGE, so the line wasn’t the problem. It was all the gaffe’s in the defensive backfield. Plus, Farrior should NEVER be put into pass coverage.

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by Steel Spike on Jan 6, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Promote him to "retired" status.

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by Steel Spike on Jan 6, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

perceptions change so rapidly

Not that I am defensing BA, or even like many if his plays. But he wasn’t the reason the Steelers did not make the postseason.

Take the career of Sean Payton. He did a fantastic job for the Giants when promoted to OC from QB coach in 2000 (when they went to the super bowl).
In 2002, he was the guy Fassel stripped playcalling duties from (about as tough a blow as an OC can get), the Giants offense improved and they made the playoffs.
He probably would have been fired, but instead left for Dallas where he did a solid job with some weak QBs.
Now as the Saints head coach, the team and offense has done a great job, and a lot of their playcalling is really well done (though I am sure there are people now saying he is doing a terrible job, needs to change everything, etc etc following a few losses).

If it is tough to gauge who will be a good head coach, it is probably just as hard/unfair to say who will be a good OC. And as these things play out, even great offensive coordinators may look terrible for a stretch or two.

by vherub on Jan 5, 2010 3:52 PM EST reply actions  

How old is he?

He’s not above his mid-40’s, is he? Arians is pushing 60, IIRC, so he’s not likely to show the same growth that Payton has.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 6, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Ed Bouchette thinks no terminations will occur

In today’s Post-Gazette chat. He hedges it a bit, by saying if there any firings, at most one or two. But says he expects BA to be back. Further predicts “no major changes” on the off-season other than FWP leaving. Interesting to see who has a better finger on the pulse of the organization.

by Hands of Sweed on Jan 5, 2010 3:57 PM EST reply actions  

If Ligashesky isn't gone

I’m going to seriously question Tomlin’s sanity. While I want him, Arians, and Zeirlein to all go (I’m willing to take my chances with devils I don’t know for all three positions), I can see people making cases for Arians and Zeirlein. But Ligashesky? No way.

by SteelerFanInPatsieLand on Jan 6, 2010 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Thats why Ed Bouchette

doesn’t earn his pay check. He doesn’t know squat. I’m not even sure he likes his job or the steelers for that matter. I’m still pissed that he picked the Ravens in the AFCCG. I mean come on – I stopped taking him seriously after that. Not that the ravens aren’t good but if you didn’t have faith in the team last year at home against a ravens team that you already beat twice then you need to go write for someone else. I guess he bought into all that hype about beating a team 3 times which was bogus if you looked at the history. Which means he didn’t do his job in the first place. Done!

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 6, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

As much as Bouchette gets under my skin at times the Steelers aren’t “HIS TEAM.” He covers the team for a living and is actually supposed to be a neutral observer, not a homer.

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Jan 6, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

If this is what Tomlin wants

then so be it.

But if this is coming from ownership it’s an ominous sign for the future of the franchise.

by Steelers in XLIV on Jan 5, 2010 3:58 PM EST reply actions  

What happened in Tennessee?

"We are only going to score 17 points?"

by Han on Jan 5, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

The FO stepped in and told Fisher to start Young

Then they start winning. Sometimes, since a coach is so close to a situation, he might not see everything. I am not for the ownership making calls, just saying it isn’t an awful sign.

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 5, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really disagreeing about Young, but I think that in general ownership getting involved in coaching decisions has been a pretty bad thing.

The Steeler culture is the envy of the NFL. I’m very wary of anything that doesn’t seem to be the traditional Steeler way.

by Steelers in XLIV on Jan 5, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Like not being a smash-mouth football team?

I don’t think the FO should or will step in. Just making a statement that it’s not the end of the world if they did.

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 5, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

They stepped

in when there was a dispute between Donahue (sp?) and Cowher and fired Donahue. That turned out pretty well because we ended up with Colbert. Just saying…

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by ekl on Jan 5, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Should Ariens be gone,

the OC selected will give us some knowledge of what type of offense Tomlin wants. When he showed up two years ago, most observers felt that he was more comfortable with a 4-3 D set and a pass-first offense, but that he would go with the team he had. Now we may see where the team is heading.

I wonder too if LeBeau is considering retirement.

My heros have always been Steelers...

by wozzle on Jan 5, 2010 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

I wonder too if LeBeau is considering retirement.

[hands over ears] LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA

by Varmint on Jan 5, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

+70

...die trying
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by agentorange on Jan 5, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

He is not

I have read around that LeBeau is definitely coming back and is excited about it.

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by John Stephens on Jan 5, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, Johnny -

Good news, indeed.

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by wozzle on Jan 5, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

That is exactly what a post I just wrote minutes ago deals with

please read and let me know your thoughts.

It all starts in the trenches.

by The_Nation_in_Mexico on Jan 5, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

lets hope the type of offense tomlin wants is a balanced one

look at what happened in the miami game. we were almost perfectly balanced through the first half, and even though the run game wasnt doing particularly well.. we stuck with it and then at the end of the game we were able to break a couple runs off and put the game away.

by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 5, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey how about Charlie Weis

We have a dynamic cast on offense and he definitely can run a dynamic offense.

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by strivan21 on Jan 5, 2010 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

Can't stand him. May be a great coach,

but after watching that arrogance at ND…nope, can’t even think it.

by dawgs144 on Jan 5, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

He reminds me of Jabba the Hut

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Jan 5, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

BA is terrible

His goal has always been to score as much as possible, as quickly as possible. That is not how you win football games — particularly with a Lebeau defense.
 
Pop quiz — you’re down by 2 points with 8 minutes on the clock. Is it better to score a touchdown in three minutes, or take seven minutes to drive the field and kick a FG? If you ask BA, more (and faster) is always better. We are now incapable of holding onto a lead.

After a 1st down seven-yard run, we go to an empty set. Moronic. Any time you tell a defense that you are certainly not going to run, the defense is at an advantage. Sure, pass-happy offenses = high stats. They also can’t protect a lead.

Remember 2002, when a high-powered BA offense in Cleveland had a monster lead against Pittsburgh in the playoffs. I do. I was there. Somehow — it seemed magical at the time — Cleveland couldn’t kill the clock and the Browns, who led 24-7 but rushed for only 38 yards on 28 carries, lost, 36-33. It no longer seems magical because that is BA football. Even several wins this year (SD, GB, Miami, etc.) seemed like we only won because the clock expired before we could give it away. BA has no idea how to take the air out of the ball. In fact, he calls every play as though we were down by 17 with six minutes to play. He is wrong for Pittsburgh, once the home of smash-mouth football, where an 11-point lead used to be insurmountable to opposing teams.

If BA is not fired, I dread next season. Another season, no doubt, of a record-setting offense on a team that cannot protect a lead, and cannot win with consistency. I personally only care about one stat.

by CaliYinzer on Jan 5, 2010 5:36 PM EST reply actions  

exactly

look at the colts this season. sure they went 14-0 but 7 of those games were come from behind victories by manning. the pass-heavy offense they run cannot protect the lead and it was only because of peyton manning that they won all those games. couple that with a weak secondary thats going to be facing a lot of desperate offenses and you’ve got a recipe for giving up late touchdowns and losing games.

by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 5, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

and secondly

to me its clear that our two most dominant games were san diego and denver. both games mendenhall went over 150 yards. how can you tell me we should be a pass-heavy offense?

by steel.curtain.number2 on Jan 5, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember the Colts are a Dome team

and when you are not exposed to the elements you can have a pass heavy offense. I bet if the Colts played Buffalo in the regular and it was snowing like that the Colts would lose big time

by steeler_in_maryland on Jan 5, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Whooooooo!

Party time! Excellent!

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by SoCalSteelerFan on Jan 5, 2010 5:59 PM EST reply actions  

The Browns game put the nail in the BA coffin

Passing is fine but when weather conditions are not in your favor you need a run game. Look at the Jets Bungles game. The Bungles were trying to be dependent on the past and the weather conditions prevented them from doing it. Also the Jets were using the short slants to throw then run the ball.

by steeler_in_maryland on Jan 5, 2010 6:08 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

That game removed all doubt for me that he should be canned. That was ridiculous.

by theatrain on Jan 5, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Steelers offense was helpless against Cleveland's wind and cold....

An offense predicated on an equatorial passing game where you throw the ball 30 yards sideways to gain five yards cannot function in stiff crosswinds of 30 mph or more.

If the Steelers had any power running game at all, they would have won. They didn’t. They lost.

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by Homer J. on Jan 5, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Mendenhall ran for 166 against SD and 150 some against denver

we had the ability to run the ball, and Cleveland had one of the worst rush Ds in the league (31st, i think). No excuse for not getting the ground game going. We had the means to run the ball, but it was handcuffed by a stubborn OC.

by theatrain on Jan 5, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Replacement is likely to be a first-time coordinator

The few big names (Shanahan, Weiss) that have been thrown around are unlikely to settle for a coordinator job, or if they do, they are likely to leave after a year or two to be a head coach somewhere else. Good, experienced coordinators all have jobs elsewhere and won’t walk out on their current team to join the Steelers staff. That leaves a few fired coordinators (Ron Turner, anyone?) plus a bunch of assistant coaches that would move to the Steelers for a promotion to coordinator. Hopefully, Tomlin can find a good young coach who is ready to step up and be our OC for years to come.

by Steelin on Jan 5, 2010 6:08 PM EST reply actions  

Tomlin is taking back the team and making it his own

I think with firing BA Tomlin is going to impose his own vision of offense. Tomlin in his press conference after the Miami game stated that he wanted he wanted to use logan in the offense.

by steeler_in_maryland on Jan 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions  

Tomlin doesn't want to get rid of BA

He may make it his own team, but he resisted making any coaching changes after his first season. If BA goes, it will be FO influence. I am not sure what to make of Tomlin. Having to be careful not to step on toes with coach assignments after Whiz and Grimm left not too happily, he has a staff that isn’t entirely his. What if the staff he would choose isn’t that great, so one reason or another?

We will see, but there is good point to arguing that BA didn’t do too badly…stat wise. Good point to arguing poor situational play calling, etc, as well. Three winning seasons and a SB, but what if Tomlin isn’t that great a situational coach or doesn’t assess the situational play calling well himself?

by Twell on Jan 5, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Still though calling an empty set on 3rd and 2 with one of the worst run defenses in the NFL is really bad playing calling.

Look at the game last week BA again called an empty set and Ben called a time out because I think he saw the Blitz. The game last week had a lot of balance and Parker and Mendy had a couple of Big Runs when needed.

by steeler_in_maryland on Jan 5, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I am with you

I would like smarter play calling, either by BA or by Ben if he is calling things at the line. Tomlin’s legacy awaits.

by Twell on Jan 5, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

If it happens

I’m doubting this will happen, as BA seems to be OK with Ben, but if he does go, if Marc Trestman available ? (Just won the Grey Cup as coach, great offensive coach).

by michaelbro8 on Jan 5, 2010 7:01 PM EST reply actions  

Smashmouth Football? Are folks you delusional?

You run the race with the horses you have, and the horses you have on the O-line are pass blockers and not road graders. Jesus Christ could walk on water, but not even he could coach the current Steeler O-line to control the line of scrimmage and push forward like the Jets do on third and short yardage.

It will take more than a new offensive coordinator to re-establish the old Steeler smash mouth running game. It will take at least two additional offensive linemen. And you don’t get those in the Yellow Pages. It will take more than a year to get them through the draft or free agency.

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by Homer J. on Jan 5, 2010 7:18 PM EST reply actions  

Wrong

I will entertain that argument after we (1) actually try to run the ball, and (2) use a *-** fullback!!!!!!! BA has said unequivocally that he will NEVER use a FB. Then you blame the O-Line for its failure to run block??? Come on.

by CaliYinzer on Jan 5, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

EXACTLEY!!

What I have been saying! We don’t have the horses for the groungd game, outside of Kemo and sometimes colon..So, how would getting rid of BA help that?

by nycsteelerfan on Jan 5, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree

We don’t know if our offensive line is a run blocking line or not because they don’t regularly get to run block. But to say they are built to pass block is incorrect. If they were pass blockers do you think Ben would have been sacked 50 times this year, 46 last year, and 47 two years ago? Yes, some of this can be blamed on Ben extending plays and not throwing the ball away. I have to think our O-line is built to run block, Starks is 345, Kemo 344, Essex 324, Colon 315, and Hartwig 312 – right side is smaller. Also, don’t believe you draft a guard out of Wisconsin to be a pass blocker. The linemen that come out of Wisconsin are maulers and are drafted to run block. Wisconsin lineman are built for that, they have to be playing in the Big 10. Until the unit we have gets extended time to practice run blocking and get used to it we won’t know what we have. Kemo looks like a great run blocker as does Colon, Starks also doesn’t look all that bad. If we get a OC that wants to run and won’t shy away from it along with a Iupati, Mike Johnson, or the guy out of Illinois we could see a return to smash mouth football sooner than you think.

Bringing the Wood!

by redmik on Jan 5, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

if you look at them they are better suited for a man run blocking scheme. Not some zone pass protection scheme which require smaller guys. I believe we had this discussion last year.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 6, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

unrelated

but I like big legursky

by klompus on Jan 6, 2010 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

It sure looked to me like the OL was doing a pretty good job at run blocking against Miami. That last drive, we finally started running the ball, ate the clock, and kicked the FG with about 35-40 seconds left. I don’t know about their run D, but I hadn’t seen us do that very often in the last few years (mainly because of playcalling).

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 6, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

That last drive was a thing of beauty Wolfpack. It is the blueprint for victory and it has been staring BA in the face for 3 years. He refuses to embrace it.
Whiz set the bar. Throw the ball to get the lead. Then take the air out of the football in the 4th quarter, eat clock and preserve the win. Classic Whiz ball against Miami.
Glad FWP could go out in style. Wish the hold call wasn’t there and he would have kept his last Steelers TD…

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Jan 6, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Yeah, I thought Tomlin must have called that drive. Would have been nice to FWP keep that TD.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 6, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Ken Anderson

is retiring, so there will at least be a new QB coach. Maybe he will be able to tell Ben to throw the ball away when he needs to.

ekl
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by ekl on Jan 5, 2010 7:35 PM EST reply actions  

I think we have a better chance of BB throwing away the ball from time to time

if he gets that sane, cute girlfriend we’ve been dreaming about for him…

"The standard of expectation does not change." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Jan 5, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

If he's going to be a player...

he’s going to run into psychos. That’s the reality when you have too much money and too little sense. Not that I approve of guys being “players” on principle, anyhow. But that’s a separate issue.

"The standard of expectation does not change." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Jan 5, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Best Arians debate I've read

I read Wexell’s case for firing Arians, but the debate here was more balanced.
I’ve been on the fence regarding the firing issue, and I’m still not sure. Good arguments both sides — good read.

by betelgeuse on Jan 5, 2010 11:45 PM EST reply actions  

Link fail.

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by Steel Spike on Jan 5, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I do

tried to show my father – of course he just decides that Jim Wexell’s a hack who doesn’t know anything.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 6, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it's funny

that everyone is complaining about BA’s play-calling and that he doesn’t run the ball enough. Well that may be true and all, but our running game was not consistent at all and we’re usually playing behind so I understand why, in some cases, that he strays away from the run. Mendenhall was on a decline at the end of the season, whether that’s becuase the line was just not blocking for him (which I think is the reason) or he didn’t get the ball enough, we just could not run the ball consistently. Maybe with a new coordinator, we will be able to?

by JBoyFreshhh on Jan 6, 2010 6:07 AM EST reply actions  

This man ...

didn’t cause the Steelers to falter this year — player failure to execute is the more likely culprit.

by tenthmtnman on Jan 6, 2010 7:16 AM EST reply actions  

Bruce Arians' Fate - Just the Facts

This is an awesome debate. There are a lot of rumors going around, but this summary of the press coverage helps lay down exactly what the known facts are regarding the Steelers deliberatiosn over whether to fire Bruce Arians or not.

by Hombre de Acero on Jan 6, 2010 8:07 AM EST reply actions  

I hate this

because now I have to go back and remember every painstaking call that Arians made. Remember the Bears game? Before Reed missed his second FG we had a 3rd and short. All you really needed to do was to get the 1st down, run some clock and try to punch it in for a TD. But no they came out of a timeout and threw a fly to Holmes in the end zone that was dropped. Now holmes had been dropping passes all day and thats not an excuse. But why wouldn’t just try to go for the first down there? BA gets greedy – as he admits – and goes for the long ball instead of playing situational football. That is his main flaw – you run a short route, I don’t mind it being a passing play but at least a smart one, get the first down, you can run a whole minute off the clock. If you don’t get the first down then I have no problem. But at least go for the first down so you can give yourself a chance to run clock off it was tied at the point 17-17 if i’m not mistaken. At that point we didn’t know how pourous our D would be without Troy. But the simple fact that BA routinely forgets about situational football and just calls plays to heave the ball into the end zone enthralls me. Look I don’t claim to know more about offense than BA. I don’t even think that he is the sole reason why we didn’t make the playoffs. I’d just like to see better TD production from this high-powered offense that has 4 1st round picks and a Hall of Famer on it. I don’t want to settle for FGs in the 4th quarter. I want to put the game away. Ba isn’t going to change, he is the same guy he was when he was in Cleveland – I guess that is where he ruined a QB by making him throw the ball away. Which is total crap imo. So he is enabling ben to take all these sacks. His game plan revolves around ben breaking out of sacks, which he can do, but that shouldn’t be what your game plan is based around – it shouldn’t be I don’t care if I don’t have enough blockers ben will break out of it and make a play – it should be I want to protect my QB. Ben was sacked 50 times – he isn’t going too play long- he’ll be like a Troy Aikman with 12 concussions that end his career. I don’t see that sack number going down until you get someone in here that will stand up to ben and make him better without taking all those sacks.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 6, 2010 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

And you could list play calls from the goal line at Miami (2nd & short = 2 throws &settle for FG) all the way back to 2nd and 3rd down in the 4th quarter against Jax in 2007. People look at stats and forget about the events surrounding the stats. We’re together on this one 84.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Jan 6, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Would anyone be interested in Russ Grimm as OC?

He’s the running game coordinator/co-offensive coordinator/OL coach in AZ but being the sole OC would still be a step up right?

by cgolden on Jan 6, 2010 10:20 AM EST reply actions  

Don’t think he would leave Whiz for the Rooney’s. Also isn’t he Assistant HC at AZ? Think NFL rules prohibit hiring away someone for a lateral move. Finally RG is looking to be a HC.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Jan 6, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

How about Arians for Arians?

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=702&line=165773&spln=1

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by PixburghArn on Jan 6, 2010 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

I really wonder if his phone would be ringing off the hook. Again I ask “if he is so talented why has no one come knocking in 3 years to talk to him about a HC postion?”

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Jan 6, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I bet not many read that link I posted

Because no one is saying they are mad that Arians IS NOT LEAVING.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Jan 6, 2010 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

WTF?????
he’s one of the more innovative and, most importantly, successful offensive minds in the game.

Are they serious?!?!?!?!

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by Steel Spike on Jan 6, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

No Kidding

What innovative plays are they talking about. Maybe the one against Miami that failed miserably. How about he just calls a game that 84 mentioned a few posts above.

Bringing the Wood!

by redmik on Jan 6, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Tomlin savy himself in situational play calling?

Is that why he wants to keep him on (he does not see it as a liability), or does he see potential for improvement there from Arians?

by Twell on Jan 6, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Wexell said that the source of the leak of Arians’ impending demise was none other than Arians himself.

http://twitter.com/jimwexell/status/7428264085

I have to say, I can see the positives in Arians and I think the offense performed adequately this season. On the other hand, the offense had the potential to be unstoppable but rarely did that potential translate to the scoreboard. Further, the offense rarely attempted to have any of Coach Tomlin’s desired “balance”. So while I think the lion’s share of the blame for the 2009 season falls on the pass defense and special teams, that does not necessarily mean that the Steelers should not look to replace Arians. My vote (despite it’s complete lack of authority) is to can Arians.

by pghnorthside on Jan 6, 2010 1:29 PM EST reply actions  

wow

that is some weird stuff

bizarre

what were his intentions with this?

by lightningrod on Jan 6, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

yea that makes zero sense

Maybe he just wants to be fired although I could think of better ways of getting out of a contract.

by cgolden on Jan 6, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

The dude is crazier than me

by lightningrod on Jan 6, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

and that's saying a lot....

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Jan 6, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

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