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Steelers Thump Bengals Early, Surive Furious Late Charge to Improve to 6-2

CINCINNATI - NOVEMBER 08:  Hines Ward #86 of the Pittsburgh Steelers celebrates in the endzone with Antwaan Randle El #82 and Mike Wallace #17 after scoring a touchdown against the Cincinnati Bengals at Paul Brown Stadium on November 8 2010 in Cincinnati Ohio.  (Photo by Matthew Stockman/Getty Images)

* Winning road games against divisional opponents is never easy. Not much is though in the NFL.  The Pittsburgh Steelers 27-21 win over the Cincinnati Bengals wound up being 'not easy', but you would have never guessed that it would be a tightly-contested game decided in the final seconds. That's because through the first three quarters, the Steelers had played fierce, focused and fairly disciplined football, while the Bengals couldn't keep pace with the Steelers.

Star-divide

The fourth quarter commenced with the Steelers holding a 17-7 lead following a a scoreless third quarter. On the first play of the period, the Steelers made it a three-score game by dialing up a trick play that hearkened back memories of 2005. Antwaan Randle El connected with Mike Wallace for a 39-yard score that seemingly put the game out of reach.

Not so fast. The Bengals stormed back with 14 unanswered points in the fourth quarter to make a game of it. After the Bengals scored their first touchdown, it was no time to panic. The Steelers got the ball back on offense and converted on a crucial third down when Ben Roethlisberger stepped up to avoid the all-out blitz and scrambled for 12 yards and a first down.   That's what teams do with their backs against the wall -they fight frantically. The Steelers helped the Bengals out with a costly turnover, an uncharacteristically indecisive throw from Ben Roethlisberger. Credit Roy Williams for one heck of a play on that interception though. Outstanding play. After re-watching the replay several times, there really wasn't anything Heath Miller could have done to break up the play.


* Things were now interesting, and got even more so following two penalties. The first, a roughing the passer call on Casey Hampton was, in my estimation, an egregiously awful call. I rarely ever comment on officiating, mind you. In fact, I can live with the pass interference call on Ike Taylor that gave the Bengals the ball on the 1 yard line. Questionable call, sure, but it looked like Taylor hooked T.O.'s hands. And God knows we were on the other end of a big call not too long ago. But the hit on Hampton? All he did was wrap up Palmer's ankles and cleanly take him down. It was the type of form tackle that the NFL should love seeing, not being penalized. And if you ask me, refs shouldn't be so quick to call a late hit when the defender is going down at the ankles cleanly rather than in the neck, head or even knee areas. 

* It's 11:35 pm out west on the 8th day of November. A quick check of the NFL standings and what do you know, the Pittsburgh Steelers are tied with the New York Jets, Baltimore Ravens, and the New England Patriots atop the AFC standings. All four teams are 6-2, with both the Ravens and the Pats having lost two AFC games. It's a topic for another day, but the Steelers are arguably in the best position of the four for the simple fact that they've only played three home games whereas the other three have all played four. The bottom line is this: at the midway point of the 2010 season, the six-time Super Bowl champs control their own destiny entirely - both for the AFC North crown, and for the top seed in the AFC Playoffs by virtue of their upcoming games with NE and NYJ. And to think we were without our franchise quarterback for the first quarter of the season and have already played five of eight road games, including a tough three game stretch away from Heinz Field.

* Rashard Mendenhall is special. I'm going to limit my commentary on him for now so that I can devote more attention later this week to writing about his game against the Bengals, and why he makes the Steelers legitimate contenders. Here were Mendenhall's final numbers: 22 carries, 99 hard fought yards, 1 TD; 3 receptions, 31 yards. Mendenhall had a few big holes opened up for him, but most of his yards were the product of him making a guy miss in the backfield or near the line of scrimmage before advancing for positive yardage. A very impressive 99-yard performance; far better than the final numbers suggest.

* I really enjoy listening to Jon Gruden call football games. Guy loves his job and it shows in his work. He's got something to say as well, which sadly can't be said of most analysts.

* I've been thinking this for a few weeks now - might Lawrence Timmons and James Harrison be competing with one another for Defensive Player of the Year? I think Clay Matthews of the Packers might ultimately win it, but Timmons and Deebo are certainly going to get votes. Something tells me Harrison won't win during the year that he's been made the poster boy for 'illegal' hits, but still lots of football left for potential winners to differentiate themselves. Both harrison and Timmons enhanced their resumes on Monday night - Harrison by registering yet another sack, as well by breaking up the final pass play of the game on a 4th down attempt inside the Steelers' red zone; Timmons by intercepting his second pass of the season. Re-watch the Timmons interception by the way. Awful throw and decision by Carson Palmer, but it was still a tough snare for Timmons. Awesome.

Both continue to be everywhere at all times.

* Jordan Shi

* I wonder how many people are going to blindly criticize Bruce Arians for the game plan he called tonight? Was every call perfect? Were there some missed opportunities? Yes, and yes. But here's three reasons why Arians is not at all deserving of any criticism tonight:

  • Using Mendy in the passing game. Mendenhall had 3 catches for 31 yards. The first was a perfectly designed play on 3rd and 3 from the Bengals 17, where Ben rolled right, and Mendy slipped out to the flat after a second of blocking. The other two passes to Mendenhall were on the Steelers second TD drive. Both great calls that set up third-and-manageable situations. More on this, but Mendenhall only seems to be used in the passing game during divisional contests.
  • Taking shoots deep at the right time. In this week's Pregame Zone Blitz, N. Coolong wrote that he hoped Wallace would have his number called on several deep balls. Hopefully one would go for a touchdown, but even if not, it would still keep the defense honest and free up some stuff in the short and intermediate areas. Roethlisberger and Wallace connected for a 35-yarder that set up Hines Ward's TD reception a few plays later. Then, Arians dialed up the first trick play of the season with Antwaan Randle El, who took a pitch from Roethlisberger, acted like he was running left, turned back to run to his right, and launched a ball to Wallace in the endzone. The play was actually well covered by the Bengals, but Wallace won the jump ball for the 27-7 lead.
  • Proper commitment to the run at correct times in the game. Here's an important fact for Arians detractors to remember: the Steelers were up 10-0 early in the 1st quarter, and held a at least a 13-point lead until the 9-minute mark in the fourth. With the defense not giving up much of anything until the 4th quarter, the Steelers offense appropriately took to the ground to shorten the game and limit mistakes. 33 rushes, 28 passes. A nice balance when you're holding a lead for the entire game. Sprinkle in the right dosage of shots down the field and I think you have to tip your cap to Arians for the game-plan he called.

* You've got to be impressed by rookie Maurkice Pouncey for his gutty performance in the second half. Pouncey left the game in pain in the 2nd quarter with a lower leg injury, but returned in the second half to play through pain. It was needed as well because the Steelers only dressed seven offensive linemen for the evening. The Steelers also saw Max Starks (neck), and Chris Kemoeatu (ankle) leave with injuries in the first half. Because the status of neither was clear at half, it was imperative for Pouncey to try to give it a go if he could.

* The drive ended in a missed Jeff Reed field goal from 46 yards, an unsettling miss considering it would have all but ended the game. But on that drive which began inside the Steelers' own 30 yard line, the Steelers ran the following plays:

1-10-PIT29 (8:58) R.Mendenhall up the middle to PIT 37 for 8 yards (R.Maualuga; F.Rucker).
2-2-PIT37 (8:19) R.Mendenhall right tackle to PIT 40 for 3 yards (R.Williams).
1-10-PIT40 (7:31) R.Mendenhall right tackle to PIT 49 for 9 yards (C.Ndukwe).
2-1-PIT49 (6:51) R.Mendenhall right guard to CIN 33 for 18 yards (K.Rivers).
1-10-CIN33 (6:10) R.Mendenhall left guard to CIN 33 for no gain (D.Jones).
2-10-CIN33 (5:29) R.Mendenhall right tackle to CIN 29 for 4 yards (R.Maualuga; P.Sims).
3-6-CIN29 (4:46) (Shotgun) R.Mendenhall right tackle to CIN 28 for 1 yard (R.Nelson).

 

The successful string of rushes was the product of passionate, aggressive blocking by the line, tough running from Mendenhall, and good game-management by Roethlisberger, who audibled out of at least one play to run right at the soft spot of the Bengals' blitzing front-seven. It was a beautiful thing to see.

My own quip on that drive: I loved that the Steelers ran the ball on 3rd-and-6. Why not? The Steelers had just been beating the Bengals at the point of attack time. What I didn't love was running out of the shotgun. Why not stick with what's working. Straight ahead running with Mendenhall having a chance to get a bit of momentum going and a full line of vision. Instead, the slow-developing draw was gobbled up fairly easily by the Bengals' defense.

* Awesome throw and catch from Big Ben to Hines Ward in the 2nd quarter. Perfect illustration of just how hard it is to successfully throw the ball in the red zone.

* Incredible performance by Terrell Owens. 10 catches, 141 yards, 2 TDs. On maybe three of his catches, the defense could have been better. But by and large, Owens just had a special evening. Without his efforts, who knows what the final outcome would have been, but certainly not as close as it was.

* How fun is it to watch Mike Wallace play football? Breathtakingly fast, we all know that. But he's much more than just a speed merchant. He's making tough catches in traffic, he's not afraid of contact, and he's doing work blocking down field in the running game. Also, if you get a chance, keep an eye on his slam dunk of the ball over the goal post following his TD. Daaaaamn. The guy's not only fast, he's got some ridiculous jumping ability as well. Dudes five inches shorter than him can't hang in the air before 'slamming' it like he did. Ridiculous athlete. We've got ourselves a bigtime player and performer in Wallace. I just hope that the rest of the football loving world doesn't label him a speed guy only. He's quickly proving he's more than just that.

* That's enough for now, posts from me throughout Tuesday in the wake of the Steelers' entertaining Week 9 win over the Bengals.

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idk, i semi-disagree with your assessment of the 3rd down shotgun run. that play gets 10-20 yards if Legursky makes his block in the hole. that was a great call to surprise them with a shotgun run, I’m not sure we gain significant yards with a straight run, Cincy had just blown up the play before and everybody would have expected run if we lined up in an i formation. that was a case of execution foiling the play. not the play call being shitty, which actually is a welcome(?) relief.

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by Jon Ross on Nov 9, 2010 3:43 AM EST reply actions  

perhaps

Who knows, the point for me was that they believed in the ability to run, something we’ve not at all seen from Arians and the offense in recent years

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by Michael Bean on Nov 9, 2010 3:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

I liked the call. They executed it well except for Legs missing his block. If he makes it Mendenhall picks up the first or at least gets damn close.

by JHolmes on Nov 9, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I think

the other factor was that mendy was gassed. He was trying to come out of the play. On fresh legs I think he makes the guy miss.

by SteelerBuddha on Nov 9, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Great point. If Legursky gets a hat on that guy it’s a first down for sure.

Would have helped if Mendy wasn’t gassed as Buddha points out, but I have to think Chris Kemo makes that block out of shear intimidation coming around the edge.

by Chicago Steeler on Nov 9, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

That is the main reason why I want a highly rated

RG in the draft. If that block is made the run is easily a 4 yard gain. That turns a 46 yard kick into a 42 yard kick. Much easier for Reed to make. Game over no need to worry us with a long drive

I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.

"It would be tough for me to care less about their opinion, to be honest with you." Mike Tomlin

by Steel in FL on Nov 9, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

No

it becomes a 1st down and we continue to go for the kill shot of a TD :D

Steelers football is 60 mins. The final 15 have been re-constructed with re-enforced steel and ready to withstand punishment and deal out some itself. HERE WE GO STEELERS HERE WE GO.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 9, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

even better

more reason for a guard

I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.

"It would be tough for me to care less about their opinion, to be honest with you." Mike Tomlin

by Steel in FL on Nov 9, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

oh hopefully

we’ll hear mike pouncey’s name called for us this april

Steelers football is 60 mins. The final 15 have been re-constructed with re-enforced steel and ready to withstand punishment and deal out some itself. HERE WE GO STEELERS HERE WE GO.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 9, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 million

Pouncey Twin Powers ACTIVATE!

"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC0NCHq4v3I

by Steel Spike on Nov 9, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree on Arians.

He had a horrible game in truth. 17 points were scored by luck or good field position, not his play calling. I saw nothing but single back and shotgun formations. I saw the same bubble screen thrown like 5 times, each time only getting at most 5 yards. I saw the same run with Ward in motion over and over again, and each time it was dialed in on. I saw a bland, vanilla, game plan that shouldn’t be praised simply because we won.

The points we scored, Mendenhall’s production, were all individual effort and luck, not the result of proper play calling. How many of those Mendy passes were Ben doing an audible? Deep shots at the right time, yes, but how many really worked? Why didn’t they? Because we rarely ever called a PA. That 3rd down run was a horrible decision. Actually, running Mendy all 3 downs after that much production, without one PA call is inexcusable. Palmer was showing us how important PA passes were all night long.

It’s REALLY time for this team to invest in a fullback and learn about the I formation.

Bungles Tank Stupidly like Clockwork
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Every night at the club the girls screamed when he'd come
He stood six foot five and weighed 241
Kinda meaty in the face with a head full of stone
And everybody knew you didn't go to the bathroom alone around Big Ben
(Big Ben Big Ben) Big Fat Ben (Big Ben)
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"Salt in the wound’s going to be Steelers coming to Jerry’s palace to win yet another SB" - Random Cowboy fan on BTB

by svenhoek on Nov 9, 2010 3:57 AM EST reply actions  

Actually, 20 points.

The first 10 points were the defense and special teams getting field position and momentum, the El TD was pure luck and Wallace, and the Skippy 53 yarder after a failed and stalled out drive.

Bungles Tank Stupidly like Clockwork
--------
Every night at the club the girls screamed when he'd come
He stood six foot five and weighed 241
Kinda meaty in the face with a head full of stone
And everybody knew you didn't go to the bathroom alone around Big Ben
(Big Ben Big Ben) Big Fat Ben (Big Ben)
--------
"Salt in the wound’s going to be Steelers coming to Jerry’s palace to win yet another SB" - Random Cowboy fan on BTB

by svenhoek on Nov 9, 2010 3:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Arians had a wonderful game

Anyone criticizing Arians remember this, at one point in the game the offense was down to Essex and Adams as starters. Essex being the worst of your linemen so really just Adams. But the offense plugged along. Arians deserve praise after this game. I agree with bean, we got commitment to the running game, a decent number of shots down field, and even a little creativity with the trick play. That is a huge improvement over what we had seen. There were no situational bad calls, mismanagement in personell, and there seemed to be a flow and design to the play calling. You play call to set up the next play sometimes.

Its easy to just say its all luck, but I believe that is intellectually dishonest and lazy. If you are getting 5-10 yards in the running game, why pass? I don’t know what game some were watching but there were def. some play-action calls there. That third down call was a good call, it caught the defense off guard, there were only two problems with that play, Mendy should have been taken out of the game – he was gassed, he even asked out but they left him in there and Legursky missed his block. He makes that block and its a first down easy. It was slow developing but it would have worked if Legursky would have made that block. I also believe MMoore would have had more energy to get around the tackle.

You can’t get mad at the offense for scoring the ball. Whether they had a short field or not, they did their job and thats all that matters. I don’t care how you do it as long as it works. We got 17 points in 3 attempts in the redzone, thats pretty good. If I recall it wasn’t but two weeks ago we saw what settling for field goals will do to a team that gets early breaks like that. When Cincy fumbled the opening KO I immediately thought of the dolphins game. They got the ball in the redzone twice off of turnovers and could only muster 6 points. That killed them. We got a touchdown and we got a field goal. Not perfect but 10 is better than 6 any game.

Also consider the fact that this is a 3 game road trip. I’m not making excuses but 3 game road swings are aweful tough in this league and I don’t care who you are. We played quality teams, the bengals are better than their record.

Steelers football is 60 mins. The final 15 have been re-constructed with re-enforced steel and ready to withstand punishment and deal out some itself. HERE WE GO STEELERS HERE WE GO.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 9, 2010 7:45 AM EST up reply actions  

right

I agree, Mendy was gassed, unfortunately both Moore and Redzone were injured. The offense actually played a pretty amazing game considering the injuries they suffered. Arians play calling actually adjusted for the possibility of complete OL breakdown.

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Nov 9, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn't know about the Moore injury

I missed what had happened to Redman though I knew he got dinged up somehow.

"I don't mind being a symbol but I don't want to become a monument. There are monuments all over the Parliament Buildings and I've seen what the pigeons do to them."

"Canada is like an old cow. The West feeds it. Ontario and Quebec milk it. And you can well imagine what it's doing in the Maritimes."

Tommy Douglas

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 9, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

He tried to make a tackle after the Heath INT...

And just hit funny. Looked like he blacked out for a second.

Bungles Tank Stupidly like Clockwork
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Every night at the club the girls screamed when he'd come
He stood six foot five and weighed 241
Kinda meaty in the face with a head full of stone
And everybody knew you didn't go to the bathroom alone around Big Ben
(Big Ben Big Ben) Big Fat Ben (Big Ben)
--------
"Salt in the wound’s going to be Steelers coming to Jerry’s palace to win yet another SB" - Random Cowboy fan on BTB

by svenhoek on Nov 9, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

considering what was left of the o-line

I can’t criticize the bubble-screens. Taking some pressure off the backs and the o-line made sense.

"I don't mind being a symbol but I don't want to become a monument. There are monuments all over the Parliament Buildings and I've seen what the pigeons do to them."

"Canada is like an old cow. The West feeds it. Ontario and Quebec milk it. And you can well imagine what it's doing in the Maritimes."

Tommy Douglas

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 9, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't either

its just too bad that Hines fumbled one.

Steelers football is 60 mins. The final 15 have been re-constructed with re-enforced steel and ready to withstand punishment and deal out some itself. HERE WE GO STEELERS HERE WE GO.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 9, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

though I think the game wasn’t called all that badly by BA, his designs are vanilla at best.

by Damnscot on Nov 9, 2010 7:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Good game by BA

Aside from a couple series in the 3Q, and the direction of some of the runs. Remember the 4 wide shotgun run, stupid.

But he finally got his head out of his colon and called a QB sneak, and a Randle Elpass. Both worked.

Kudos to Mikey T for finally getting Randle El out of punt returns

by Mechem on Nov 9, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

QB Sneak

He should have called that in the Miami game when we were 1st and Goal at the 6" line. Don’t want to rehash old issues, but we have a big strong QB who is not given enough recognition for his ability to get the short yards on his runs.

by Allen F on Nov 9, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

IIRC, Ben said he was not comfortable with a sneak

because he had a rookie center and big NT across from him.

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Nov 9, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Ed Bouchette said

that after studying that play a couple times it was clear that they had packed the box and that Ben wasn’t going to get through.

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Nov 9, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, but I (respectfully) disagree

The shortest distance between two points is a straight line. If the Center can get any backward movement of the Nose Guard, Ben should be able to move it ahead for 6". They (Ben, Pouncey and both Guards) have the edge because they know the count – and it should be a quick count. Ben should be as low as possible behind the Center. The Fullback and anyone else in the backfield can help push him forward. It’s very seldom that this does not work with such a short distance to go. Ben has run it on several occasions. He ran it last night. But, I accept and respect yours and anyone else’s opinion – Steelers fans only (lol)

by Allen F on Nov 9, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

You may well be right -

it isn’t actually my opinion, just quoting Ed Bouchette. I don’t know enough to be able to tell one way or the other…

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Nov 9, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I say this because....

In my football days (high school, military football and semi pro football) I played Nose Guard on defense and Right Guard on offense. It is just my personal opinion. Others might not agree. I always welcome a constructive difference of opinion. You are a gracious person.

by Allen F on Nov 9, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you are tip-toeing a fine line there

You could say that any and every OC only does well because of individual efforts by the players and luck. The fact remains though that they are succeeding in plays BA called. Also, audibles that Ben calls are designed by BA, so credit goes to him to when Ben dials something up.

BA had to make play calls last night with only 2 starting OL. He had to call run plays even though Pouncey, our best OL, who creates a lot of our running success was out for a good while.

The only criticism I have of BA last night is that he needs to use a RB screen more often on 3rd down. I think I saw one maybe two yesterday and they worked pretty well.

"I'm from Maryland, and no one can beat me!"

by John Stephens on Nov 9, 2010 8:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

a coach is only as good as his players sometimes. BA was def. handicapped there in the middle of the game.

I like the screen where the running back blocks and slips to the side and just as the defender is coming, ben dumps it to the back. there are usually nothing but linebackers and defensive backs with their backs to the QB 10 yards down field after that and the running back has blockers. Its a well designed play and usually goes for a good chunk of yards.

Its way better than the stretch draw play where the running back stays still and the QB runs to him and hands the background just as a defender is getting in the backfield. I understand you want to suck the defenders in but it is just too dangerous of the play. I’ve seen it work once really well the rest of the time the RB is tackled at the line or behind it. Its just a huge gamble letting defenders getting that close to the hand off.

Steelers football is 60 mins. The final 15 have been re-constructed with re-enforced steel and ready to withstand punishment and deal out some itself. HERE WE GO STEELERS HERE WE GO.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 9, 2010 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

No no no no no.

I give the man credit where it’s due. I’m not saying that every negative play is his fault, and every positive is Ben audible-ing out of it.

Don’t give me the “he was minus two o-linemen, so we should cut him some slack.”

You don’t run singleback every fucking play.

Bungles Tank Stupidly like Clockwork
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Every night at the club the girls screamed when he'd come
He stood six foot five and weighed 241
Kinda meaty in the face with a head full of stone
And everybody knew you didn't go to the bathroom alone around Big Ben
(Big Ben Big Ben) Big Fat Ben (Big Ben)
--------
"Salt in the wound’s going to be Steelers coming to Jerry’s palace to win yet another SB" - Random Cowboy fan on BTB

by svenhoek on Nov 9, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

there

were a full back in there in some plays… you must have miss it

Steelers football is 60 mins. The final 15 have been re-constructed with re-enforced steel and ready to withstand punishment and deal out some itself. HERE WE GO STEELERS HERE WE GO.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 9, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok very few.

Yes I did see. But we need more of that, and more important, to invest in a good one.

Bungles Tank Stupidly like Clockwork
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Every night at the club the girls screamed when he'd come
He stood six foot five and weighed 241
Kinda meaty in the face with a head full of stone
And everybody knew you didn't go to the bathroom alone around Big Ben
(Big Ben Big Ben) Big Fat Ben (Big Ben)
--------
"Salt in the wound’s going to be Steelers coming to Jerry’s palace to win yet another SB" - Random Cowboy fan on BTB

by svenhoek on Nov 9, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with the latter half of that...

More of it is up to interpretation, but I wouldn’t mind it at the right times.

I have not yet begun to procrastinate.
(* denotes sarcasm)

by NYSteelersFan4 on Nov 9, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

i think legs, dj, and red do a good job at FB, just personally

Steelers football is 60 mins. The final 15 have been re-constructed with re-enforced steel and ready to withstand punishment and deal out some itself. HERE WE GO STEELERS HERE WE GO.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 9, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they do an adequate job as a group...

But if we could get one guy who was able to do a solid job we’d be better off.

Rotating one guy in in short yardage, one guy in in passing and one guy in in running works, but eventually a pattern will emerge (I would think) that can be used against us.

I have not yet begun to procrastinate.
(* denotes sarcasm)

by NYSteelersFan4 on Nov 9, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

i guess we’re hoping red can be that guy

Steelers football is 60 mins. The final 15 have been re-constructed with re-enforced steel and ready to withstand punishment and deal out some itself. HERE WE GO STEELERS HERE WE GO.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 9, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess we are...

And even though I have been more than happy with his blocking, I wouldn’t say I like the idea of him at FB long term either.

I have not yet begun to procrastinate.
(* denotes sarcasm)

by NYSteelersFan4 on Nov 9, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The 3rd down run.

I think the idea was to eliminate the possibility of a negative play. If Ben takes a sack there a FG attempt would have been well over 50 yards. It was also a good call that should have worked if Legursky makes his block in the hole.

by JHolmes on Nov 9, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah this

good call simply because it guaranteed a reasonable FG chance

by theatrain on Nov 9, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok, then why run it from the shotgun?

Shotgun runs rarely work, and as everyone pointed out to me, we were down 2 o linemen. Why call a slow developing run play way that starts 5 yards in the backfield when your RB is gassed? Why not just call a designed QB draw play instead if your trying to be clever?

When you break things down, you come to find that Bruce Arians plays HIS game. Not to the strengths of his offense.

Bungles Tank Stupidly like Clockwork
--------
Every night at the club the girls screamed when he'd come
He stood six foot five and weighed 241
Kinda meaty in the face with a head full of stone
And everybody knew you didn't go to the bathroom alone around Big Ben
(Big Ben Big Ben) Big Fat Ben (Big Ben)
--------
"Salt in the wound’s going to be Steelers coming to Jerry’s palace to win yet another SB" - Random Cowboy fan on BTB

by svenhoek on Nov 9, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess

you missed the part where it was pointed out that that play failed due to a missed block and a tired Rb

Steelers football is 60 mins. The final 15 have been re-constructed with re-enforced steel and ready to withstand punishment and deal out some itself. HERE WE GO STEELERS HERE WE GO.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 9, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

a tired Rb

You just proved my point. Why are you running a tired HB from the gun?

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by svenhoek on Nov 9, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Because the other two were hurt.

You don’t run with a TE and if you bring Ward or the Wallace over the D knows something is up. Last year we would have passed there, so we lined for the pass and handed off instead.

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by Steel in FL on Nov 9, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

yea

don’t risk the pass and a sack that will take you out of fg range, it was a safe call but a good safe

Steelers football is 60 mins. The final 15 have been re-constructed with re-enforced steel and ready to withstand punishment and deal out some itself. HERE WE GO STEELERS HERE WE GO.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 9, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I concur...

on the third down play they ran. There was a glaring hole and legursky got unlucky and missed a block but it was also a freakishly lucky tackle by the bengals CB against a great RB with a huge guard running at him. Had mendenhall been in there i think they would of made the first down as mendy looked too tired to make that one guy miss. Im glad the steelers won but im still very critical on them, i want them to close out games more and i sincerely think i will never see another defensive effort like the one in tenessee which is dissapointing. Im also a bit dissapointed with the run blocking, mendy is a great back but he often has to stall and make moves at or behind the LOS. if he had more holes that he can hit with acceleration he would be in the top 5 rushers. Just some observations…

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by Samoan_Esco on Nov 9, 2010 6:02 AM EST reply actions  

What's with all the "luck" comments?

Hall got turned around, and Wallace adjusted to the ball better than he did. Touchdown.

Legursky didn’t get unlucky, he missed a block. Several times. There’s no way this team feels secure with its offensive line, and that’s not bad luck, it’s bad execution.

by Neal Coolong on Nov 9, 2010 6:13 AM EST reply actions  

Luck is the residue of design

Branch Rickey, 1950

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by Homer J. on Nov 9, 2010 7:22 AM EST up reply actions  

speaking of so-called "luck" that pass from palmer to benson...

which farrior tipped was freaking luck…God how I loved the look on Palmer’s and Marvin Lewis’s face after that punishing blow delivered by Deebo on Shipley. and I owe count_’em a bottle of Capt’n. I bet him Mendy would break over 100 yds. d’oh!

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by Webslasher81 on Nov 9, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

that sucks

1 yard

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by John Stephens on Nov 9, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah tell me about it ringo!

it’s all good though…lol.

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by Webslasher81 on Nov 9, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Not luck...

Hall was in a dead run trying to get close to Wallace….by the time he gets there and looks up he blows by Wallace (who looked for the ball)….it was not luck, that is the power of Wallace’s speed.

BTW – I loved the shot as Wallace spike the ball over the goal post – Ward smiling ear to ear…gotta love a vetern that is truly happy when good things happen for your team and it is not you doing them!

by NM Steeler Fan on Nov 9, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember

That was a great moment.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 9, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Pass Defence

With the risk of the blind calling me a “hater”, doesn’t anyone see a problem with the pass defence? It’s easy to be great against the run when everyone knows that you can be beaten in the air.

Cincy probably should have won this game.

Pouncy is a stud.

by biggcat on Nov 9, 2010 7:37 AM EST reply actions  

Yes its a concern

BMac just doesn’t have the top end speed to keep up with teams that have a second good WR. Good thing that most teams don’t have that. Remember TO is an all-time great. I do feel we need Keenen Lewis to develop but it looks like he is in tomlin’s dog house after that denver pre-season game.

I disagree with your statement. Having a 20 point lead in the 4th quarter, your defense changes. There is a reason why teams all of a sudden can pass the ball and score. Because of the cushion and that point in the game you don’t care if they score you just want them to waste time. We had one drive where penalties killed us, right or wrong, but it helped them move the ball without taking time off the clock, not to mention it came after a turnover so that had good field position.

Cincy shouldn’t have won this game, they made too many mistakes, don’t feel that way.

Steelers football is 60 mins. The final 15 have been re-constructed with re-enforced steel and ready to withstand punishment and deal out some itself. HERE WE GO STEELERS HERE WE GO.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 9, 2010 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Right but,,,

Having your defense change in the fourth quarter to the point that a broken up pass on your 5 yard line saves your win isn’t so bright.

You’re right about Cincy though,they shouldn’t have won but it frustrates the fuck out of me to watch leads get blown regularly.

Hotel is a dumbass for throwing a punch in that situation. Be a pro.

by biggcat on Nov 9, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

woulda...coulda...shoulda...

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by Webslasher81 on Nov 9, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I totally agree on pass defense

I (and many others) have been harping on this since last season. Dick LeBeau has got to find a solution for this (why we give up so many passing yards). I think that it is the designed coverage, not the personnel that is the problem. There is no reason why week in and week out we have to hold our collective breaths in the 4th quarter because of teams nickel and dimeing us with short and medium range passes.

by Allen F on Nov 9, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

if we learn anything it is that...

we don’t want to let this happen next week, b/c Justin Beiber will capitalize on our misfortunes…we have to play tighter in the 4th quarter…63 points given up in the 4th quarter alone…if this comtinues this will bit us in the buns!

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by Webslasher81 on Nov 9, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

But....

Was it just me or did Ike just shut down 85…his play the last few weeks has actually started to live up to what DL has said about him….now we need Gay or Lewis to step up and play the same type of ball.

by NM Steeler Fan on Nov 9, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

can't see me played well!

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by Webslasher81 on Nov 10, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Every team in the NFL is tough

Especially divisional opponents. Especially on the road. Especially after you just finish playing two road games. I’m not surprised that Cincy came back. Look at their games, they do this all the time. Against New England and Atlanta, on the road, the team was down for the count but mounted furious come backs late. So why wouldn’t they do the same at home? They were helped out by a Ben turnover and some fortunate penalties on one drive. This is not the same cincy team that we’re used to dogging 35-7 every year. They have talent and they have proven it. This year things just haven’t gone their way, they haven’t been able to put it together, get the ball rolling sooner. Yea, we let them back in the game with the turnover and penalties but we still won.

We needed this game. We needed to have an opponent make a comeback late. This only makes us better. You might say you need to shut the door and close out a game. True. But how many games are we going to be up 27-7 in the 4th quarter if we make the playoffs? Playoffs are almost always tight games and we need to be used to playing them. What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger, just like in 2008. Yea it sucks trying to watch it but at least we were up. That was a another desperate team with their season on the line. This time we came through. The team proved to itself that last year was an aberration and not the beginning of a trend. We needed this kind of win. Coaches love these types of wins because you can rip into the players without having suffering a loss.

I hate the penalties, I don’t think either one of them should have been called, we’re in agreement on the Hampton call. I think TO had the cause of the alligator arms and tried to play it off as Ike hooking him. I didn’t get a good look but I didn’t see it. But it was a veteran move and a good WR trick -acting like you were interfered with even if you weren’t. But I loved that the Steelers said, we’re not going to make excuses like so many other teams, we’re going to win despite bad calls. That is what champions are made out of.
As I said above I liked the draw play, it should have worked.

As soon as they mention Pouncey playing ever down this year, he gets hurt and misses downs. My heart sank because at that point we were playing 3/5 backups on the line with 1 of the 2 starters that plays like a backup. We ended up having a fumble on that play but I can’t get mad at hines – ever. He just plays so hard you accept those few mistakes he does make.

And Mike Tomlin is showing Jeff Reed why he doesn’t deserve a big contract. I think tomlin is saying to Reed, you want more money? Well go out there and win us some football games. Reed is failing this test.

Steelers football is 60 mins. The final 15 have been re-constructed with re-enforced steel and ready to withstand punishment and deal out some itself. HERE WE GO STEELERS HERE WE GO.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 9, 2010 8:05 AM EST reply actions  

LOL, you're right about coaches loving these games.

Gives them something to be angry about and keeps the players hungry.

Very good post.

Who’s worse in Pittsburgh right now: Jeff Reed or Marc Andre Fleury?

by JHolmes on Nov 9, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

refs

could not agree more. Watching the game last night after those two iffy calls, my buddy (not a Steeler fan) turns to me and says “Steelers vs Refs, huh?” My response was “Now we will see what we are made of.” As you said champions win regardless of the refs.

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by stillergorillar on Nov 9, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

BA

I thought it was one of his better called games, especially the opening calls. BB was throwing more on 1st down, making the set not as predicable, setting up the running game. Not only is the defense getting tired in the 4th quarter, I think BA is also tired. BB should call all the plays in the 4th.

by ibygeorge on Nov 9, 2010 8:39 AM EST reply actions  

One thing that confused me on that final drive

Is why keep Mendenhall in there for that many consecutive carries? They showed a quick shot of his face just before the final carry and he was clearly huffing and puffing. They spent all last week trying to “divide up the carries” by giving Moore more touches. Then, when it makes most sense to sub out Mendy they kept him in. He should have been subbed out for Redman (mighta been injured) or Moore with fresh legs.

Small critique

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by John Stephens on Nov 9, 2010 8:47 AM EST reply actions  

He even

called out of the game it looked like. It was gassed. I have no idea why they didn’t take him out.

Steelers football is 60 mins. The final 15 have been re-constructed with re-enforced steel and ready to withstand punishment and deal out some itself. HERE WE GO STEELERS HERE WE GO.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 9, 2010 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Moore got banged up too.

I remember seeing Ben calling for a sub for him before a 3rd down play. He was holding his wrist or arm or something.

by JHolmes on Nov 9, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Interesting

Wonder if Dwyer will see his first action next week…

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by John Stephens on Nov 9, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Well

if Redman is hurt, Moore is hurt, it should be his time.

Steelers football is 60 mins. The final 15 have been re-constructed with re-enforced steel and ready to withstand punishment and deal out some itself. HERE WE GO STEELERS HERE WE GO.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 9, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I keep pleading a case for Dwyer or Summers to be added to the roster (playing).

I still think that Mwelde is dispensible – despite his better playing as of late.

by Allen F on Nov 9, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no idea how you could make that conclusion. We haven’t seen Summers or Dwyer play an NFL snap.

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by John Stephens on Nov 9, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Webslasher81 on Nov 9, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Sad, but true, but WHEN (will they get that opportunity)?

Our "*3rd and short* plays are not working well. Mwelde is NOT the solution. I will applaud him every time when he makes a good play – but I feel that he is not the answer that we are seeking for those situations. But, I am not the Coach. I, like other fans will just hope that he makes the right decision. Applaud him when it works and curse him when it doesn’t (lol).

by Allen F on Nov 9, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I haven't noticed Mewelde getting a majority of third and shorts...

That’s been Redman territory.

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by NYSteelersFan4 on Nov 10, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Obviously you didn't see how Tony Romo got broken in half....

…when a rookie running back got confused, totally froze and missed his block and Romo was picked up and pile-driven into the turf, breaking his collar bone.

Dwyer is a horse, but he looked completely unprepared during the exhibition season to protect the quarterback….even against third stringers and vanilla defenses.

Moore, Redman, and probably Summers can at least provide protection for Ben.

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by Homer J. on Nov 9, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Except that now

Moore and Redman have concussions.

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by Steel Spike on Nov 9, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

defense bails out offense yet again

This can’t go on forever.

Without Harrison’s miraculous breakup on last Bengals offensive play we’re wearing a big ugly L.

by ImmaculatePerception on Nov 9, 2010 9:08 AM EST reply actions  

well...that's what were known for,

Defense…it has been our building block throughout the decades. Our offense needs to step up, but the defense keeps on doing what they are paid to do then I see no problem with it…Offense wins games Defense wins championships…

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by Webslasher81 on Nov 9, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

27 points

isn’t exactly a poor showing. There were a lot of injuries to deal with on the OL

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by stillergorillar on Nov 9, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

i didn’t say the offense played poorly…i just said that we need to step it up in the latter portion of the season if we want to make a big run in the playoffs. injuries aside i think we played awesome…it was those damn penalties that have been killing us…F the ref’s!

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by Webslasher81 on Nov 9, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I failed

on the reply, it was more to immaculates stance that the D bailed out the O. F the ref’s indeed

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by stillergorillar on Nov 9, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

oh d'oh my bad man...

haha! i agree with ya though man!

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by Webslasher81 on Nov 9, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

And without

the offense’s 27 points we get beat…..

Steelers football is 60 mins. The final 15 have been re-constructed with re-enforced steel and ready to withstand punishment and deal out some itself. HERE WE GO STEELERS HERE WE GO.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 9, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

well... duh

You can be an apologist for the O if you want, but the truth is without our special teams and our D setting up the offense, we lose this game.

by ImmaculatePerception on Nov 9, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

this

thank you momma

Steelers football is 60 mins. The final 15 have been re-constructed with re-enforced steel and ready to withstand punishment and deal out some itself. HERE WE GO STEELERS HERE WE GO.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 9, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

wow

thanks, never understood that football was a team game before

I’ve really been schooled !

regardless, if the OH doesn’t pick it up, expect a lot more ELLS

by ImmaculatePerception on Nov 10, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

Hell, I greened it too!

I always go along with the crowd. Man, this Koolaid tastes good… my head is getting light… almost like there’s nothing in there!

by ImmaculatePerception on Nov 10, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Aww, no one agreed with you, so you resorted to thinly veiled insults?

That’s okay, you’ll get ’em next time.

I have not yet begun to procrastinate.
(* denotes sarcasm)

by NYSteelersFan4 on Nov 10, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

ha

The offense wasn’t great, but we converted on both turnovers early in the game for points. We also scored a nice TD in the red zone, and then we milked lots of clock late with the running game. Ben made a mistake, but whatever. Without that mistake the game’s not in question. This offense is not the problem, this team will sink or swim with late stops plus sound specail teams. Much like in ‘08. We all know, or we all SHOULD know, that if we’re in a game late, Big Ben will give us a great shot at winning most of the time. He’s one of the best ever in the clutch. That’s all you can really ask for as a fan.

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by Michael Bean on Nov 11, 2010 3:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Refs BAILED Cinccy

First of all MNF is so terrible anymore. I like Gruden, but god they never show replays of penalties, never update on injuries, never talk about the ACTUAL game.

I mean they never announced when starks was out or when pouncey came back in, or why Moore was taking handoffs for a while.

But lord almighty the refs giftwrapped 7 points. Ike didnt do shit ball wasnt that close and hampton did NOTHING wrong, he hit Palmer square in the vagina thighs

by Mechem on Nov 9, 2010 9:17 AM EST reply actions  

+1

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by Webslasher81 on Nov 9, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

This

Friend I was watching with bet the over. He was cheering the Bengals on to get points at the end. Almost kicked him out of my place.

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by John Stephens on Nov 9, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

well...you held back my man...

a steel spike would of been driven in his foot if that was my friend lol!

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by Webslasher81 on Nov 9, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard them announce when Starks came out, and when Pouncey came back in...

But not why Moore was in for that stretch early on.

I have not yet begun to procrastinate.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Nov 9, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but...

They were very poor in facts, but at least it was not an ex-Cowboy or Bengal there to slam us on every down….Gruden and Jaws actually logically explained the fines and the hits and fines for Deebo.

Also MM was hurt on and awesome blitz pickup…best I haev seen from him since he donned the black and gold.

by NM Steeler Fan on Nov 9, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

They actually were slow to pick up that Pouncey was back in

I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.

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by Steel in FL on Nov 9, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard the announcers were awful

No surprise there. And why does Steve Young still have a job?

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by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 9, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

b/c he burned all of his bridges with...alleve, motrin, and tylenol!

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by Webslasher81 on Nov 9, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

On fact from last night that was shown

Only twice losing 10 point lead is 23 years (both were Cincy) and never a 20+ lead blown (course did we ever had a 20+ lead before the early 70’s?

by NM Steeler Fan on Nov 9, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

hehe

did we ever had a 20+ lead before the early 70’s?

I was thinking the same thing.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 9, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

actually

I heard them (mnf) crew complain about the Hampton penalty and show a replay and they mentioned Pouncey after he came back in. They also mentioned Starks being out when they talked about Scott.

The most amazing thing was listening to them talk about the Harrison situation where they were mentioning the guy ducking on the helmet to helmet. They also, in a roundabout way, talked about how unlikely an appeal is to succeed when Goodell is judge, jury, executioner and appeal court (there is some paraphrasing here).

The zebras may have been doing an even up with the Taylor penalty to make up for the borderline TD for Ward (he might have been over the line). I do think the Hampton penalty was bs.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 9, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Team Victory Would Have Been a Team Loss

Special teams were great until they weren’t (Reed). Ben was himself, mostly, but that was one ugly duck he tossed late. Defense controlled Benson, but Palmer and T.O. torched them. Tomlin and BA had a real nice running game going, but didn’t use it when it might have mattered most. Ward produces, but fumbles.

I never felt secure in this one, even up 27-7. If Ward doesn’t fumble that ball and its 17-0, then its over, but that’s the NFL, but once it was 10-7 it never felt final until it was.

by rushthequarterback on Nov 9, 2010 9:17 AM EST reply actions  

BA called a good game.

This game was a horribly thrown ball by Ben away from being a complete blowout. I do not agree with every call that he made, for instance:

- Opting to run on 1st and goal from the 14 yard line is a waste of a down. Opting to run on 1st and goal from the 9 is also a wasted down. I would rather see 3 passes there, from the 9 so the defense has more area to defend. All a successful running play is going to do in that situation is shrink your passing windows (unless you score). They ended up scoring anyhow, so the point is moot.

- Running on 3rd and a long 2 out of an obvious running formation is also not too smart. It was close, but why not give the d a balanced look so they at least have to respect the PAP?

Those are my only two problems with play calling. Otherwise the game plan ADJUSTED FOR THE BLITZ (haven’t we been hearing all week about how badly Arians sucks at that?), dialed up a trick play that WORKED FOR A TD, and had the ball moving on the ground at the end of the game for what should have been a clinching FG.

The penalties:

- The PI on Ike sucked. The only reason they threw a flag is because TO went freaking insane. The officials should not be throwing flags based on players’ reactions and that’s exactly what happened.

- The roughing call on Snack sucked but I have no idea what the rule says for low hits like that. The refs were probably just sensitive because it was Palmer vs. Pittsburgh.

by JHolmes on Nov 9, 2010 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

If you look at the replay

Snack was pushed by a Bungle and he actually started at Palmer’s waist and slid down to his ankles

Things can always be worse....

by ncmt40 on Nov 9, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The PF against Flo and the PI for TO

were just as mysterious…I wonder if many were starting to turn to other channels so they had to tighten the game (like that resteraunts commercials allows show :-) )

by NM Steeler Fan on Nov 9, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Flo earned his PF

Unless players are allowed to tackle someone by grabbing their helmet. Last time I saw him stop someone one a turnover I think it was a horse collar though maybe it was a helmet.

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 9, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW

This run defense is on the brink of being one of the best units in the history of the NFL.

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by John Stephens on Nov 9, 2010 9:52 AM EST reply actions  

scratch that

THE best

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by John Stephens on Nov 9, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

yea it is

don’t expect much running from the pats either

Steelers football is 60 mins. The final 15 have been re-constructed with re-enforced steel and ready to withstand punishment and deal out some itself. HERE WE GO STEELERS HERE WE GO.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 9, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

you said unit...

awesome!

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by Webslasher81 on Nov 9, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I know, they've been ridiculous

The Pats will probably run the ball less than 10 times. Maybe we should ask them to get worse to take some pressure off of the secondary! ;-)

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by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 9, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes I agree

Also Ziggy and Eason are holding their own during this time. They are applying pressure and not being blocked out.

by Allen F on Nov 9, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Scary Good

They allowed a few yard in the first drive as DL anticipated the 60+ passes and started the nickle…but after the first down the D clamped down for the game!

by NM Steeler Fan on Nov 9, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Some things I liked

Woodley’s 2 sacks
Chad’s meltdown (he’s a 3rd fiddle on that team now, behind shipley)
Holding Benson to a paltry 54 yards with a long of 8
ARE’s Arm
How we didn’t collapse when 3 OL suddenly went out (I know I did)

Everyone else covered a lot of the stuff I didn’t like- but the ticky tack call on big snack made me livid. Huge gift.

by SteelersVT on Nov 9, 2010 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

I was crappin

my drawers when Pouncey went down.

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
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by stillergorillar on Nov 9, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Pouncey's a baller

One of the best draftees in a long time for us. If we can get a few more above- avg OL, this team is gonna run the ball down everyone’s throat.

by SteelersVT on Nov 9, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Give Legursky his "props"

He did an admirable job filling in at Center when Pouncey went down.

by Allen F on Nov 9, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I got very worried

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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Nov 9, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

It was a great moment in the game when an O lineman threw Ocho off of the field.

by StinkBomb on Nov 9, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

honestly I went to bed in the 3rd at 20-7 and wasn't that confident I would wake up to a W

The team just makes me nervous, they bend way too much against a good passing game. TO was getting open withe ase during the 1st half, and I believe after the 1st TD, he said “All day” I dont read lips but it seemed like he said something like “we got that all day, all day” and I believe they could have gotten that a few more times

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by Rickfansince76 on Nov 9, 2010 10:38 AM EST reply actions  

I’m sure that looking over and seeing that Willie G. was covering him would make anyone say that.

by StinkBomb on Nov 9, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

20-7 Deja Vu?

You were nervous because last year we were up 20-7 on the Bungles at halftime, only to lose late 23-20. Thanks goodness for Randle El’s touchdown. 27 points turned out to be just enough.

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It's been many years in coming
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by GoldMetalDefense on Nov 9, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

No, we were up 13-7 at the half last year

Could have been 24-0, but then BA happened.

Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte

As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West

CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble

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by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 9, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

it shouldn't have been 7

Steelers football is 60 mins. The final 15 have been re-constructed with re-enforced steel and ready to withstand punishment and deal out some itself. HERE WE GO STEELERS HERE WE GO.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 9, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, sorry

13-3 was the halftime score.

Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte

As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West

CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble

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by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 10, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

We had two red zone FAILS and were only up 13-0 instead of 21-0 late in the second

Then we went for it on 4th and 4 at their 35 with under 1:00 left. We didn’t make it, and they got a FG to make it 13-3.

Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte

As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West

CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble

Cornell University Class of 2014

by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 10, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I dunno

BA’s play calling seems predictable. I understand that he needed to simplify as a result of injuries, but his timing is off, regardless if it sets up another play later in the series.It seems opposing D’s always have his number, and individual play and effort is what bails him out, but I ain’t no expert. I’m on the fence with BA…maybe I’m influenced by all the bruce haters….

Oh, and the interception was all on ben. He has been under throwing receivers all season. If he had thrown it over millers shoulder toward the sideline, it would have been an incomplete pass at worst.

by IronJake on Nov 9, 2010 10:46 AM EST reply actions  

Arians

Once a team is up by 20 points in a 4th quarter, the only way the team that is behind can come back is by a complete self-destruction by the opposition. At that point, the worst enemy to the team that is trailing is the clock. Their best friend? An offensive coordinator that doesn’t recognize this fact and continually dials up passing plays that a) provide a much greater likelihood for a turnover (REALLY bad) and b) stop the clock if incomplete (nearly as bad). Even if the Steelers run straight into the line and go 3&out on each possession with a 20 point lead, they are still going to take, at a minimum, nearly 3 minutes off of the clock per possession. They will punt the ball away, and likely force the opposing offense to drive 60+ yards for a touchdown…forcing them to burn precious time off of the clock as well. You start slinging the ball around, stopping the clock and turning it over inside your own territory…well, that provides a fantastic opportunity for the opponent to mount a most egregious and improbable comeback. Following the horrendous interception thrown by Roethlisberger, me thinks the play calling on that last drive was a mandate from the head coach…something to the effect of “you call a single pass play, you can clean out your office tomorrow”. You have one of the best backs in football, THE best defense in football…you run the ball AT LEAST EVERY SINGLE 1st and 2nd down when up by more than 10 points in the 4th quarter. Who cares if the defense knows it’s coming? Sure it would be nice to score more points, but you need to take care of the ball, burn the clock and give your defense a chance to rest. Additionally, there is nothing more demoralizing to a defense than the inability to stop the run when they know it’s coming…it’s the ultimate nail in the coffin. If the Steelers lost this game, it was on Ben Roethlisberger and Bruce Arians. Do you think Arians would have been dialing up pass plays with Chuck Batch in that game in the 4th quarter? Nope. Additionally, the game likely wouldn’t have come down to a 4th down stand with under a minute to go.

by pistil_stamen on Nov 9, 2010 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

Yet on this very same blog there were people who were bitching after Arians called run play after run play against the Titans earlier this season with a lead late, Batch at quarterback, and the defense playing lights out. “Where was the play action pass?” they screamed.

by worldtrip on Nov 9, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I certainly wasn’t in that camp…that was the ultimate “hold on boys…just get across the finish line” game.

by pistil_stamen on Nov 9, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

My point being that no matter what he does, it never satisfies everyone. You are just on the opposite end of the same extreme. You are all peas in a pod.

by worldtrip on Nov 9, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Good Game

This was a good game with bad officiating. The call against Casey Hampton was totally ridiculous. Also the one of pass interference when T.O. was in the endzone. There were so many holding offenses by Cincy that went un-called that it was ridiculous (especially the ones trying to block Harrison and Woodley). Our Linebackers are brutal. Worilds (a beast in his own rights) played a very good game on Special Teams. There has to be a good Fullback out there that we can pickup. What is the deal with Frank Summers? We could use him on third and short situations? I was told that he doesn’t know his blocking assignment. I believe that he is more of a runner than a blocker. Can anyone tell me what the opinion is of his running skills? Ben is coming into his own now. He has started using the no huddle – which means that he is getting his timing together. Can’t wait to see Sanders and Wallace stretch the field once Ben is totally in tune with them. Glad to see them using Spaeth and Heath more. I am also impressed with Randle El. I was a critic of his earlier. He is looking like the Randle El of old. Hines is Hines and that is good.

by Allen F on Nov 9, 2010 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

Mendy

I forgot (I don’t know how I did that) to mention Mendy. Great game – running and pass catching. He definitely showed that he is one of the premiere running backs in the league. He had a great game even with the patch-work line that we had to use at times. Cudos to the O line for rising to the occasion.

by Allen F on Nov 9, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Additionally

I think Mendenhall needs to touch the ball between 25-30 times every single game. He is far and away the best offensive player on the team. Prior to that last drive, he only had 16 carries in a game where the Steelers were ahead by at least 10 points for the majority of the night. I think that stat is absolutely preposterous. I think Ben Roethlisberger gives the Steelers a better chance to win games in which they need to throw the football (or in the 2 minute offense)…but this team is just as good (if not better) when focusing on a simple, more disciplined gameplan based on clock control, ball security, “splash plays” and suffocating defense. If the concern is burning out Mendenhall, you have three more than capable tailbacks on the roster…use them. At 6-2, it’s tough to be critical, but this team was 6-2 last year as well. I’m starting to see the same fundamental cracks in the team that led to their demise last year. This team has the personnel to drop the hammer and pound the opposition into submission when up by more than 10 in the 2nd half…they need to utilize that.

by pistil_stamen on Nov 9, 2010 11:23 AM EST reply actions  

You are correct about *overusing* Mendy

We should give Redman more touches. Also (although he (Mwelde) is playing better lately), I would like to see Dwyer replace him on the roster and in the rotation. Mendy showed that he is a true stud in last night’s game.

by Allen F on Nov 9, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Memo and Redzone

were injured and unable to play in the fourth

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by stillergorillar on Nov 9, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Fundamental Cracks

The biggest crack last year was special teams, which seems to be fixed so far this year

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by stillergorillar on Nov 9, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Absolultely. Seeing Arnaz Battle leading the cavalry on KR’s and PR’s certainly beats watching Stefan Logan chasing yet another guy into the end zone.

by pistil_stamen on Nov 9, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Fundamental Cracks

Except Reed misses 33% of his field goal kicks.

by biggcat on Nov 9, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

That is new

Reed only missed four field goals last year, so that is a newish crack.

People don't ever seem to realize that doing what's right is no guarantee against misfortune.
- William McFee

by stillergorillar on Nov 9, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The O Line Was Heroic Last Night

Having to play musical chairs, with guys named Legursky playing 3 different positions (if you count FB at the goal line) is not easy. Kudos to the O line. Without their heroic play last night Mendenhall does not shine and Bennie would have gotten dirty.

Arians called a great game until he got distracted celebrating his own genius in drawing up (or copying from Whiz) the El pass. Seems like he fell asleep until the O line and Mendenhall took over with 6 minutes left.

The Steelers can’t make a change at mid season so we’re going to have to dance with who brung us. But, can somebody sober up the fat drunken kicker? With the way the Steelers play offense we’re going to need Skimpy. We can’t have this mess of a kicker costing us a game in January. On a side note, 2 great holds on high snaps by Robo Punter last night.

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by 5020 on Nov 9, 2010 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

Two things that bother me about Mendy

1. His vision at the first level is awful. There is no other way to describe it. The thing about this is that its not something you can correct either, you either have it or you don’t. Last night on the 3rd down shotgun run, if he’s patient and let’s Legursky set his block, cutback, he’s gone for 20 yards. Instead, its a one yard gain, and that has happened throughout his career. No complaints about 2nd level vision though. Once he gets to the secondary he’s solid.
2. He is a bit of a sissy, especially for a dude that big. I think last night was one of the first times I actually saw him deliver a blow. This he can work on and man up with some tough love from the coaching staff.

Tony - Stillers Fan in Raleigh

by Tshaff on Nov 9, 2010 1:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Disagree on both accounts.

1) I only saw the play once, but I’m pretty sure Legursky just completely whiffed on the block. I would point to the several long one-cut-and-go Mendenhall runs this year as counter-examples.

2) You can’t watch this and tell me this man’s a sissy. I remember being completely stoked last year that we’d found a running back that actually looked for contact when pass-blocking.

by Thoroughbred of Sin on Nov 9, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Also disagree.

1) Mendenhall was, if anything, too far behind Legursky. The DB was able to run around Legs and tackle Mendenhall. That doesn’t happen if he’s right on his ass. What SHOULD have happened, is Legursky should have hit the hole under control and ready to block someone. Instead he was running at full speed and couldn’t break down in time to make the block. The DB made a good tackle and that was that.

I agree that Mendenhall occasionally misses a cutback, or at least it appears that way from our angle. But, his vision is a VAST improvement over FWP. I think Moore is slightly better in this area but he doesn’t have Mendenhall’s quickness.

2) LOL, I’m sure he would apologize for not being Jerome Bettis the 2nd, but RBs that always deliver a blow don’t last long in the league these days.

by JHolmes on Nov 9, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Am I the only one encouraged by the 4th quarter defense in this game?

Steeler fans have been howling for a more aggressive, pin-your-ears-back defensive style in the 4th quarter for the better part of a year. Yesterday, we saw a lot of that, and most of the time it worked.

In the 4th quarter, the Bengals:
1) narrowly escaped a turnover on a strip-sack
2) were the beneficiaries of two pass-interference penalties (one of which was questionable)
3) got a free personal foul when Casey Hampton got tossed squarely into Palmer’s legs after the ball had been thrown
4) were gift-wrapped an interception from Ben trying to do too much, and were aided on the same play by a moronic Flozell Adams personal foul
5) started with nice field position after a missed Reed field goal
6) got incredibly lucky on a tipped pass from Farrior (who looked like he was playing for the pick instead of batting the ball down).

In between, there were a lot of good stops, clean secondary play, bona fide QB pressure, and sacks to put the Bengals. But all of this pales in comparison to one key stat: they won.

I feel pretty good about saying last year’s defense doesn’t make that 4th down stand. For those of you tearing your hair out in the closing minutes – this team is playing better. Be patient.

It’s easy to forget how many close nail-biters the 2008 won on the way to the super bowl. The difference between that team and 2009’s disappointment was one key stop per game. We got that one key stop this game.

I think it’s funny

by Thoroughbred of Sin on Nov 9, 2010 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

No!!!

What if what you find funny I find offensive? I’ll never know whether I should silently judge you or not.

by Chicago Steeler on Nov 9, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

No worries

I decided to err on the side of safety and just judge without asking questions.

by Chicago Steeler on Nov 9, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

It's always best that way -

then you don’t have to reconsider…

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Nov 9, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

the bengals was extermely fortunate to even make that a game, I saw in pittsburgh we put them away

Steelers football is 60 mins. The final 15 have been re-constructed with re-enforced steel and ready to withstand punishment and deal out some itself. HERE WE GO STEELERS HERE WE GO.

by tannofsteel84 on Nov 9, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Their comeback was certainly very fortuitous

But it still makes me very uneasy. I want to see us clamp down next time we have a big lead and shut down the opposing team.

Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte

As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West

CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble

Cornell University Class of 2014

by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 10, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

bengals game

I really thought I was going to see us lose in the final minutes again just like baltimore game and last year. We have to keep up the pressure on putting teams away with the offense and stop just trying to hold on to a lead and allow teams to throw the ball on us. every time it looks like the game is over and we play conservitive and the defense allows there passing game to allow a come back in the final quarter. I know we want to run the ball and we are doing a good job but we do have a q-back that should be able to put up #’s like brees did against us, More over the top routes to wallace we did it the first 4 games. But I do believe we are on our way to another super bowl.

by pittboss44 on Nov 12, 2010 8:04 AM EST reply actions  


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