A View from the SteelCage…State of the Union Part 2 - Free Agency and the Draft
Part two, like I said it ran a little long. Enjoy.
Free Agents – Unrestricted and most important first.
NT Casey Hampton, Age 32 – I still say the biggest mistake we have made in the last 10 years was not franchising Alan Faneca. Here is what I wrote on Sportingnews on February 16, 2008:
“Many of you are swearing at me right now for even mentioning franchising Alan. That is not fair to him, he has given us many good years and that would affect his career. Well, sorry to say it, but football is a business. We all complained about the line last year, and I am giving you the best option available. Why is it the best, because no matter what, the Steelers win. One of three things happens:
1. We keep him, and have an extra year to draft a few good linemen, without selling the farm in this year’s draft
2. Someone else signs him and we are compensated with a first round pick this year and one next year in order to shore up the line without selling our souls,
3. Sign and trade, hopefully for 1st and 3rd rounder this year or 2nd and 4th this year and 2nd next year to blah blah blah.”
I use the same theory with Casey Hampton, although in Casey’s case, a three year deal would be preferable (with weight clauses/bonuses). I know he has said he will hold out, but I don’t think his agent will advise him to do that. 2011 is looking like it will be a lockout (I know, my personal nightmare, a year with no football). Casey Hampton is 32 and has a history of “weight issues”. Holding out this year would mean two years for Casey to eat whatever he wanted and then try to get a long term contract at 34 (35 when the season starts), with what conditioning…It is the same reason I will make this prediction. The Steelers WILL NOT draft Terrence Cody. The boy put on 15 pounds in 16 days while prepping for the Senior Bowl. Imagine what will happen after a season locked out. While he could end up a stud, the potential for him to eat himself out of the league if there is a lock out is too risky. Franchise cost for DT is $7.003 million or 120% of last year’s salary, whichever is higher. Casey’s salary in 2009 was $6,652,084 so his Franchise Tag Cost would be $7,982,500.
K Jeff Reed, Age 30. To sign or not to sign. Very accurate, although I showed during a previous post that his career numbers at Heinz Field compared to everyone else who has come in are about even. But in crunch time he is money. However, his kickoffs and off field antics leave something to be desired. I think he is resigned until we can find a legitimate replacement.
FS Ryan Clark, Age 30. He wants to sign, the Steelers reportedly want to sign him. The question marks are his coverage (kind of important in the secondary) and how often can we afford to not have our starter playing (any time it is in Denver). A three year deal for $7.25 million would be agreeable with me ($3 million bonus, salaries of $1.25 mil, $1.5 mil, $1.5 mil).
DE Nick Eason, Age 29 and Travis Kirschke, Age 35. Depending on the coaches’ opinion of Ziggy and Sunny and the draft, one or neither will return. If one does, I think Eason showed he could have an impact in spot play this season. Kirshke will likely take his chronic back problems into retirement with 2 Super Bowl rings. Not a bad career.
RB Willie Parker, Age 29. Been beaten to death. Wants to start, but will there be a market for an about to be 30 year old RB with three consistent years of injuries. If he isn’t given a fair chance to start, could come back for a reasonable price. Did well in at the end of the year spelling Mendy, and could do so very productively for a couple more years. Would also be good spot starter if Mendy gets injured.
CB Deshea Townsend, Age 34 and QB Charlie Batch, Age 35. Depends on their demands. For veteran minimum both could be back. Batch may end up retiring though. Who knows, Townsend too.
S Tyrone Carter, Age 33. Gone. Thanks for the Denver game.
Restricted Free Agents – For those that don’t understand how RFA works, if a RFA is tendered, the team received compensation at the level of the tender if the RFA is signed by another team. There are four different levels of the tag and the cost is different for each. The same round tender provides the team with compensation in the same round as the RFA was drafted if lost to another team. However, if the player is undrafted, there is no compensation for that level tender. I am estimating the cost based on the increase between 2008 and 2009 (8.95%). With that here are the RFA tender levels and costs for 2010:
1st and 3rd round tender – $3.042 million
1st round tender – $2.395 million
2nd round tender – $1.683 million
Same round tender – $1.100 million
T Willie Colon, Age 26, 4th round pick. Last year he was tendered a 1st round tender and will likely be tendered the same this year. If another team picked him up, it would cost them their pick. I think that will keep him on the Steelers. If he is tendered a 2nd round tender, it likely means they hope he is picked up and they will replace him in the draft (or with someone already on the roster?). Like I said, a 1st round tender will happen and he will be on the Steelers in 2010.
P Daniel Sepulveda, Age 26, 4th round pick. Many teams would be willing to pay for Sepulveda with a 4th round pick IMHO. For that reason, I see a 2nd round tender for the hardest hitting punter in the NFL.
CB Willie Gay, Age 25, 5th round pick. Once again, he is a good nickel back and should be relegated to those duties. However, a 2rd round tender ensures us if we don’t keep him at least we can draft a replacement.
TE Matt Spaeth, Age 25, 3rd round pick. This is the easiest choice. Same round tender. You may want to get rid of him, but why. Heath Miller is the only TE that catches and maybe we will start using a FB and Spaeth’s blocking won’t matter either. As a former 3rd round pick you have to hope he actually will be taken to replace him in the third with someone like Jimmy Graham (MIA), Ed Dickson (Oregon) or Anthony McCoy (USC).
C Darnell Stapleton, Age 24, UDFA. Super Bowl starting RG, IR all season. Have to at least 2rd round tender him. There will be competent replacements available in the 2nd if he is signed elsewhere, possibly even Maurkice Pouncey of Florida.
RB Carey Davis, Age 2, UDFA. This is a judgment call. ST Coverage improved with his return, but he was cut to start the season. A 2nd round tender is $1.683 million, not worth that much. Maybe a veteran minimum deal again.
THE DRAFT – For those that don’t know me, this is my favorite time of year. I think everything that goes behind the building of a SB caliber team is awesome. In this draft I will make only two stretches. There will be no trades, I will only base it off the general consensus amongst the draftniks as to who will be available where. None of the above mentioned scenarios is involved either (no losing Hampton or any of the RFA). The assumptions are a 4th and a 6th round compensatory pick will be awarded for last year’s losses (for McFadden and Washington/Leftwich/Smith). They might both be a stretch, but I am trying to base it off a cryptic formula that apparently no one knows.
1st Round – Bryan Buluga, OT, Iowa 6’6” 315 lbs, 4.95 40 yards
I think the Steelers will rank who they want something like this: Eric Berry, Russell Okung, Joe Haden, Bruce Campbell, Anthony Davis, Bryan Buluga, Earl Thomas, Rolando McClain, Mike Iuputi, Trent Williams, Dan Williams. I also think they would trade up anyone between Berry and Campbell fell to 12, would stay put for Davis to McClain, and trade back a couple spots for Iuputi or the Williamses. However no trades allowed, I will assume on the table at 18 are Buluga and the last three so it is Buluga. Give Kugler a stud to start repairing our defunct OL.
2nd round – Koa Misi, OLB, Utah 6’3” 244 lbs, 4.71 40 yards
I said this after my first mock draft in December, other than Timmons, we don’t have anyone good to backup our OLB if Woodley or Harrison are hurt. Koa Misi is raw but his athleticism reminds me of a young Joey Porter. The only two guys I would take over this pick (outside of the 1st round guys I already said) are Sean Witherspoon, ILB MIZZOU and Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan in that order. Witherspoon is a better 3-4 ILB than McClain in my opinion. He is also super pumped, Ray Lewis-like, something our defense could have used this year. Say what you want about Ray-Ray, but if he was drafted by the Steelers first, he would be in the annals with Hamm and Lambert. Graham is Woodley’s clone and could take over for Harrison in a couple years and continue the tormenting of QB league wide.
3rd Round – Jeromy Miles, FS, UMASS 6’2” 215 lbs, 4.49 40 yards
This kid isn’t from a pedigree school but he is lights out. Physical like Clark, but smooth hips and aggressive hand jam allows him to play man-to-man or zone. Very good run/pass recognition and is a sure tackler in the open field and near the LOS. Not a big interception guy in college, but has the potential to be a 4-5 pick guy and won’t be a liability when left on an island as he has outstanding instincts when the ball is in the air. Could start as a rookie.
4th Round A – Jamar Chaney, ILB, Mississippi State 6’0” 241 lbs, 4.61 40 yards
We need to find a replacement for Farrior sooner rather than later. Chaney found he can be a thumper and showed at the Senior Bowl he can be a game changer, gathering 8 tackles, a sack, a fumble recovery and Defensive MVP Honors. I said last year we should grab Jasper Brinkley, who ended up starting for the Vikings. Chaney is Brinkley without being a liability in coverage, which is where we had issues with Farrior this year. Donald Butler of Washington is another option. Oh and by the way, the exact height weight and estimated 40 as Sean Witherspoon.
4th Round B – Kam Chancellor, SS/FS, VA Tech, 6’3” 232 lbs, 4.59 40 yards
Played nickel back as a freshman and sophomore, SS as a junior and FS this year. During the East-West Shriner’s practices was lighting people up. Not quite a fluid as his experience may lend you to believe, but a gamer. Given a year or two he could end up a Chris Hope type of safety, capable of starting either FS or SS. This is important with Troy’s playing style and age and our utter lack of depth at safety. There is a reason I have two being drafted instead of 1 and 1 CB.
5th Round – Akwasi Owuso-Ansah – CB/KR/PR, IUP), 6’1”/205 lbs, . 4.4 40 yards
Owuso-Ansah, or Scrabble as I like to call him, Small School Prospect who some of you might have more info on than I do. 4.4 forty, with great hands, the anti-Ike. He had 8 picks and 10 PD as a junior so they stopped throwing his way this season and ended with 2 and 6 this season. In the last two years he has 3 KR TD, 3 PR TD, 1 INT TD, 1 FR TD. Might be a little reach this high, but with a good showing in post season all-star play and a good combine and he might not even last this long. The one question mark is run support, as he only had 32 tackles in the last two years. Not quite a 7/15 guy (if you read my Some things can’t be taught article from December 9, 2009), but 8/10 and opponents avoiding him like the plague this season, he could be something special. If we lose Willie Gay, I would take him as early as the early 3rd right now, 2nd depending on the combine numbers. Goodbye Willie Gay, hello AOA.
6th Round A – Ted Larson, C, NC State 6’2.5” 302 lbs, 5.25 40 yards
A converted DT, still relatively raw, but can mirror DT in pass protection and has decent speed to get to the next level or trap/pull block. I am a huge fan of OL with DL experience as they tend to play nastier. Larson is no different, always trying to knock his guy out, not just move him. That is what you want from an interior lineman. Centers J.D. Walton of Baylor or Erik Cook of New Mexico are other options if available.
6th Round B - John Fletcher – DE, Wyoming, 6’7”/272 lbs, 4.87 40 yards
He would have a couple of years behind Smith, Keisel and Hood to pack on 10-20 lbs but at 6’7” could easily carry the extra weight. 4.85 forty. The next Keisel wedge-buster. Here is what is really stands out look at the last three years and tell me this isn’t a great late round grab if he is still available:
2009 – 46 tkl, 12.5 TFL, 7 sacks, 5 PD, 2 FF, 1 FR, 3 BK
2008 – 54 tkl, 6.5 TFL, 4.5 sacks, 1 PD, 1 FF, 0 FR, 0 BK
2007 – 60 tkl, 14 TFL, 10.5 sacks, 1 PD, 1 FF, 1 FR, 1 BK
2006 – 9 tkl, 3 TFL, 2 sacks
Total – 169 tkl, 36 TFL, 22 sacks, 7 PD, 4 FF, 2 FR, 4 BK
That, my friends, is production!!!!!!
7th Round - Travis Ivey – NT/DE, Maryland, 6’4” 325 lbs, 5.23 40 yards
I really like this kid. Not huge numbers and played for Maryland, but has the size and drive to succeed. Taller than Hampton, and almost looks sleek at 325 lbs and from the game I watched had a motor. Big and strong, able to hold at the point of attack and at 6’4” could get his hands up in the passing lanes to delay passes for the pass rush. Here is what I like most, he seems level headed and willing to work his butt off (unlike former Maryland DT Dre Moore who Tampa Bay cut for being lazy). After giving Coach Mitchell Ziggy Hood and Sunny Harris this year, Owens, Fletcher and Ivey further add youth to our D-Line. I will be watching for him this week for Texas vs the Nation. Other option is Jeff Owens, NT Georgia 6’1” 307 lbs, 4.98 40 yards. He plays bigger than size. He has a thick lower body necessary for NT play. He could add 20-25 pounds on Professional Weight Program. He played very well during Senior Bowl Week. He is only this low because he had a knee injury that kept him out for 2008. He is another possible NT replacement for Casey after 2-3 years.
For UDFA I like Danny Carmichael, ILB Middle Tenn State. 6’0”, 242 lbs. 85 tackles, 12.5 TFL, 6 FF, 6.5 sacks. Finally, FB Andrew Hawken, 6’2” 248 lbs with decent hands. A true FB from Michigan State.
So here you have it, my full draft:
1st Round – Bryan Buluga, OT, Iowa 6’6” 315 lbs, 4.95 40 yards
2nd round – Koa Misi, OLB, Utah 6’3” 244 lbs, 4.71 40 yards
3rd Round – Jeromy Miles, FS, UMASS 6’2” 215 lbs, 4.49 40 yards
4th Round A – Jamar Chaney, ILB, Mississippi State 6’0” 241 lbs, 4.61 40 yards
4th Round B – Kam Chancellor, SS/FS, VA Tech, 6’3” 232 lbs, 4.59 40 yards
5th Round – Akwasi Owuso-Ansah – CB/KR/PR, IUP), 6’1”/205 lbs, . 4.4 40 yards
6th Round A – Ted Larson, C, NC State 6’2.5” 302 lbs, 5.25 40 yards
7th Round - Travis Ivey – NT/DE, Maryland, 6’4” 325 lbs, 5.23 40 yards
UDFA
Danny Carmichael, ILB MTSU 6’0”, 242 lbs, 4.8 40 yards
Andrew Hawken, FB MSU 6’2” 248 lbs, 4.75 40 yards
Oh yeah, if we don’t pick 2 safeties, I am all for Brian Lainhart, FS Kent State next year, see my last draft post.
Sorry this is so long, let the discussions begin.
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I think the Steelers will rank who they want something like this: Eric Berry, Russell Okung, Joe Haden, Bruce Campbell, Anthony Davis, Bryan Buluga, Earl Thomas, Rolando McClain, Mike Iuputi, Trent Williams, Dan Williams.
Personally I rank who I like in the first as: Berry, Dan Williams, McClain, Thomas, Iupati, and then everbody else.
As you said Starks looked really good at times. And yet you want to reward him by drafting his replacment? I also think that if the FO thought Colon would make a better RG then RT then they wouldn’t have started him at RT.
I think we draft a NT in the first 3 rounds, because we’ve tried drafting D-line in the late rounds and most in recent years have busted.
I getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
Not quite what I said
What is said was
Starks finally got the long term contract he wanted and is playing LT, which the Steelers organization and Starks said was his natural position as a left hander. Sorry, not buying it. He gets by because when he is on, he has one of the best hand punches I have seen…. However, towards the end of the season his play dropped and his weight climbed. He looked huge the last couple games of the season and his feet looked slow. We still need a real LT…
Calling Starks a Left Tackle is like calling me a Sports Writer, just because I write about sports doesn’t make me a Sports Writer, Just because Starks plays LT… Besides, we haven’t picked a tackle in the first because there wasn’t a quality guy available. You don’t pass up a franchise LT if he is available at #18. Buluga would upgrade the LT position, Max moving to the right would be equal to Colon, and Colon to RG would be a huge upgrade. Improving two positions without downgrading the other two is success. Plus, the FO didn’t necessarily say Colon was a RT, our OL coach did. New OL coach could equal a change.
As for NT, I actually 100% agree with you on taking one early, I just don’t think we can pass up on a LT, and don’t think anyone esle is worth a 2-3 rd pick that will be available. However, if Terrence Cody is still available late 2nd early 3rd, I could see the Steelers possibly taking him. At that position, the risk of him eating himself out of the league doesn’t outweigh the benefit of having a 360 lbs run stuffer.
"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." Don Shula
Once again, Colon is not moving to guard. He’s not. The team has never indicated they would move him, he’s never practiced there, and they like him at RT. He’s a RT, not a guard. I don’t know how many times I need to repeat this, but until the team mentions moving him to guard, we should assume he will not be moved and stop talking about him moving.
I could still see drafting Bulaga as his replacement if he isn’t signed to a long term deal this summer. I think the mock draft is pretty solid, good job.
steelcage makes a good point though
with a new Oline coach we could see colon move to guard. i personally would rather us keep people in the same positions that they are in now and take Iupati for our RG, but you never know new coaches like to make changes.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 3, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yes and when the new OL coach says they are moving Colon, then we can talk about it. Otherwise it’s just a message board fantasy that has been going on for 4 years now. Must we do this every year?
Colon played very well at RT this year, I agree so how about this
Buluga comes in and is given a shot at a starting position, not anywhere in particular. I think he woul dbeat out Starks for LT, did you see him comploetely stone Derrick Morgan of GT (for most the consensus #1 DE this year) in the Bowl
"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." Don Shula
That’s a possibility. A better one is that Buluga backs up Colon this year, coming in on short yardage plays. Next year Colon walks and Buluga starts at RT until Starks’ contract is up and then he moves over to LT.
I think you have to agree that the Steelers FO seems pretty happy with Starks at LT for now.
if bulaga is as good as everyone seems to think
id rather have him start. i know the coaches and front office dont like to have rookies start, but given the rooneys said they want younger guys on the field more and given the oline position doesnt change much from college to pros (at least it doesnt change much to my knowledge) i want an immediate upgrade not someone waiting to play.
and what i meant before was by no means disagreeing with you. i for one am sure colon is fine at RT and am happy with him there. i only meant that a new coach could mean changes and colon moving inside is a posibility. like i said before i think the best scenario would be to keep everyone where they are and draft Iupati to upgrade the only position that really needs it, RG.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 4, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
haha in conclusion: yes.
we need a RG more than a RT. thanks for summing up i tend to ramble
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 5, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
AGREED
COLONIS NOT MOVING PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ONLY PLACE HE"S MOVING IS OUT OF PITTSBURGH IF ANYTHING. HE ISN’T A GUARD. HE’S WAY TO BIG
While he may not move
Your argument is the worst I have heard. How is he too big for guard at 6’3’’ 315, but Kemo isn’t as 6’3" 344. This is not a personal attack and I hope you don’t take it that way, but that argument is horrible. If anything the argument that he is too small for OT is more logical because tackles tend to be 6’4’’ at a minimum. He is powerful and nasty and that is why he has had success at RT
"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." Don Shula
Could be he meant that
Colon “plays too big” for RG.
He is indeed mean, nasty and evil and fights like a pissed off street-thug. Colon isn’t a physical prototype at RT, but he plays the position well, and would probably be a poor fit at G, as he it a bit too combatative for an inside position.
Here is a report from day 1 at Texas vs Nation
I love Travis Ivey even more now. I am tell you you, he is a keeper with the right coach.
Maryland DT Travis Ivey did a great job shedding blocks and showed good instincts and awareness. He hustled on every snap and beat offensive linemen twice in team drills and would have had a pair of sacks if it were a game. Ivey (6-3 3/4, 341) showed good athleticism for such a big man.
"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." Don Shula
Nice
I would still like a RB in there somewhere but I like what I see.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 2, 2010 10:04 AM EST reply actions
I honestly can't imagine RayRay on the Steelers
which is fine since I can’t imagine liking him either.
yea. he's really easy to hate
especially since he’s a murderer and all…
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 3, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
If you played a defensive position in football
then he’s really easy to like.
+1
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 9, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
center
I think folks need to keep Cordle from OSU in mind at the cenetr position; he was a freshman all american at center and probly would have been if he’d stayed at the position for entirety of his career.
interesting takes
i agree with 95% of what you have to say (with respect to who will be attempted to be signed and who won’t be, i dunno enough about draft prospects) except:
spaeth: no way is our number 2 TE who can’t block worth 1 mil. best case scenario the steelers dont put a tender down & try to resign him as a free agent for cheaper.
the safeties: i agree we will definitely try to resign clark and he is the more desirable between him and carter…however if clark walks no way can the steelers afford to lose carter unless we sign a vet FA safety. even if we drafted someone in the first rd and lost both clark & carter we would be left with less safety depth next year then this year. which as we saw, was a major issue this year.
parker: (i agree with you here) but just pointing out that with the 5+ years needed to be a UFA, as of right now parker will be one of the top 4 UFA running back next year…crazy.
nice writeup tho…i’m working on something similar myself.
Normally I would agree with you on Spaeth
However, in an uncapped year why try to sign him to a long term deal when you can pay him as an RFA and possibly get compensation if someone else wants him. If the Steelers lose him, like him or not, they have to draft a replacement. There are plenty of other areas I would rather spend a pick up rather than a 2nd TE who likely will only play occasionally as Miller has proven to be very durable. As I said, I would same round tender him and pray someone else thinks they can get more out of him than the Steelers did. He was after all 2006’s John Mackey Award as college football’s best tight end, two years after Heath Miller won the same award.
"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." Don Shula
Draft his replacement?
What’s wrong with McHugh or Johnson?
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
they’re not receiving TE’s. they’re blocking TEs so if miller would go down, we’d have no one to adequately fill his role on the team (based upon the way mchugh/johnson played in the past)
Well, to be fair
Johnson was a rookie this year, and McHugh did have 5 catches, so they’re not strictly blockers. It makes sense that they wouldn’t have a lot of receptions, because seriously, why would you throw to another TE when you have Heath Miller on the field?
McHugh has 28 receptions over his 4 year career, but he did play for Detroit for 2 of those years…
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
i agree you dont need another receiving TE w/ a healthy heath
but having a receiving TE is a big part of the steelers offense now. and if he would get hurt for a couple weeks (like it happened in ‘08) it’s huge to have someone who’s a decent receiving TE. mchugh or johnson don’t really doesnt fit that bill, but i do think their good TE/FBs.
for example, when heath was out against SD & indy in ‘08, spaeth had SIX receptions in EACH of the games. mchugh has never had more than 3 receptions in a game. and johnson had 2 in an entire season. yes, they may eventually pan out and become decent receiving TE but as of now, they’ve shown absolutely nothing to prove they will.
Ugh...the "Spaeth" word...Ewww...
Point was, they have plenty of TE’s, and with the entire off season to work with Johnson. I say there is not a TE in this draft going to the Steelers.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
i guess we'll have to agree to disagree
i see 2 different kinds of TE’s used by the steelers and certain ones are good enough to fill other shoes.
but my thoughts exactly on spaeth (and why i want someone to replace him).
both
Will come to camp but McHugh will be cut here. strictly financial move , Johnson makes league minimum and McHugh is due 1.4million. It is a no brainer.
i think you're off on your numbers
according to rotoworld, mchugh is due 700k. and if there was a cap his hit would be 830K (but we wouldnt even save anything by cutting him because we’d still have a 260k hit because of his signing bonus, plus we’d still have to sign a player at league min for 540k. so it’d end up costing us still 800k to cut him and sign a new person to the 53 man roster).
what team in their right mind would pay spaeth more than 1 mil per season AND give us a 3rd draft pick?
granted i’m probably guilty of looking at this too much of like a capped year and overpaying spaeth for one year wouldnt have any impact if a cap was restarted in 2011. i do agree the steelers would have to draft a receiving TE…but i’m betting they could find one in the 4th/5th/6th rd with actual long term potential. personally, i’d rather them do that and get a potential decent #2 receiving TE than overpay to keep spaeth who obviously isn’t the answer.
Another team wouldn't have to pay him 1 mill a year
The tender amount is 1mil. that gives us the Steelers the right to match any offer, thats it. Another team could offer him a contract that was minimum salary every year. The Steelers could then match that offer if they wanted. It is called waiting on the market value, which is better than setting the value. And even if they tender him, they can cut him if they get a replacement at no cost. tendering is no lose for a former 3rd rounder.
"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." Don Shula
i’m under the impression that for a team to “steal” away a player that was franchised/RFA/etc they would have to offer him a contract that (on avg) paid more yearly than the tender amount. otherwise if a player wanted to leave for whatever reason, any other team could come along and offer whatever and he could leave.
if the steelers tender him, they promise to pay him 1 mil & and it’s like they signed him to a 1 mil contract. yes we could cut him a couple weeks later if no teams sign him away, but that would be a huge dbag thing to do and something the steelers wouldnt ever pull (i hope). it’s one thing to cut a player in training camp, but its another to sign them to a contract & cut him a couple weeks later (if i understand what you’re suggesting)
Not quite what I am suggesting
But they don’t have to sign him to a contract worth more. The Tender amount guarantees him a spot on a team. Then, if his agent gets him a contract offer from another team the Steelers have the right to take the EXACT terms of that new contract, or allow the other team to keep the contract and the player with a pick as compensation. The second team cannot just steal the player if the guy wants to leave
"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." Don Shula
but the tender amount is a guaranteed contract offer. guaranteed not in the terms of if you cut him you still have to pay that amount, but guaranteed to at least have that contract offer from the steelers unless he’s cut or signs a different one with them. so why would he “renegotiate” his 1 mil contract to take one in which he’s being paid less (unless he knows the steelers will cut him with the 1 mil salary, but he’s still getting more than he could anywhere else)?
unless what you’re suggesting is what i said in the very beginning:
best case scenario the steelers dont put a tender down & try to resign him as a free agent for cheaper.
probably for the same reason casey hampton doesnt want the franchise tag: job security. sure if casey gets tagged he’ll get 7mil this year, but he wants to know that he’ll have a job for a few years. if mchugh can sign a 2 or 3 year deal somewhere else it might be worth sacrificing the 1mil he’ll get this year for the opportunity to know you’ll have a job for a while.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 5, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
a 5 year contract doesnt buy anyone job security. it’s all about the signing bonus (which is paid upfront) or any guarantees (which spaeth isn’t good enough to get). if spaeth is good enough to get a 1 mil contract for a year, he knows he knows he would be able to get more than league min the next year on the open market. spaeth is good enough to be in the league, but not good enough to be earning that level of pay.
hampton wants a long term contract because of the signing bonus & he knows he’d get paid more per year then if he was a UFA after next year and had to get another contract. (his huge season & being younger).
plus, spaeth is obv not the answer in pittsburgh as the #2 TE. so why would we even want to sign him to a long term contract? right now, he’s probably a stop gap until we find someone better.
Exactly
He is a stop gap, and that is the only reason paying him 1 mil make any sense. It guarantees either he is on the Steelers or they get a draft pick for him. But we will see by March 5, I could be way off in my assessment, but I really think he will be tendered the lowest tender. If he were a 6/7 rounder or a UDFA tendering would be a waste, but this to me seems logical. It is nice to have a civil argument. That is why I love this site, people can disagree without insults being thrown around.
"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." Don Shula
Spaeth might turn out as a surprise
down the road.
I don’t base it on anything more than a “gut feeling”, but I think he’ll contribute soon…
Agree with the 2nd round onwards
Misi and Chaney have that Steeler look – I thought I was the only one seeing that.
The first rounder is also not bad but the jury is still out for me – will wait until the combine
Great draft..
not a chance
Misi’s is a pipe dream. aint happening!!!!!!!!!!!!! No way ! He’s is not a 2nd rd draft pick. Mcshay has him 5th rd at best, kiper 4th rd
You know...
I may have disagreed, but the multiple exclamation points sold me.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 9, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
And Sporting News' Russ Lande said 2nd
He said he spoke to a bunch of scouts and coaches after the week of practice and they said he is a more athletic version of his teammate Paul Kruger who was drafted in the 2nd by the Ravens. With the rise of the 3-4 rush OLB are at a premium and I think he will benefit from that.
"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." Don Shula
what do you mean wait?
like see if he falls?
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 4, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
RE
Steelers actually like Hightower better than McClain . He went down with injury for Alabama he’s much better against the pass than McClain.
i do like koa misi
but taking him that high i think would be a mistake. i think the first two, maybe even three, picks should be potential starters. obviously not starters as rookies but guys that are either drafted to start in the near future or are heir apparents to a vet. drafting for depth can be addressed in the late rounds. as we’ve seen over and over the steelers are great at taking late round guys and making them into good players, therefore giving us the depth we need.
id like to see us address the safety position in the second round, be it myron rolle or morgan burnett or whoever the FO thinks is best. then in the third round take an ILB to replace farrior. i do love the travis ivey pick he looks like a huge sleeper at NT
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 4, 2010 8:31 PM EST reply actions
Paul Kruger
the guy who intercepted the ball and killed the Steelers. Misi was his teammate and with Misi being more athletic than Kruger, many expect a good combine will push him to be drafted around the same time that Kruger was, which was with the Raven’s 2nd round pick. I think Misi will see the same fate
"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." Don Shula
DB IS OUR BIGGEST WEAKNESS! ILB IS NEXT!
Our secondary will be in trouble if the 2 young c/b’s dont pan out and or we dont get a saftey out of this draft or free agency! if the back-end was half as good as our front seven we would be in the super bowl again this year. need depth at ilb to go with saftey and corner depth, which will do wonders for our special teams at the same time!
probably not as bad as we think, and all our problems could be fixed with 1 guy here and or 1 guy there type deal. ol seemed real good at times and bad at times! i believe new coach and what we have will be good enough, or maybe plus 1 c/g if stapleton is not our center of future.
Safety
Keenn Lewis is being moved to a SS or FS backup next season, tomlin decided on that after he couldn’t get him dressed last 3 reg season games. thats why we didnt see him, position move. he’s to big for CB they determined.
He's smaller than Ike.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 9, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
And who is your source
or is this just a hypothesis, because I don’t see it happening. Burnett actually makes sense as a ball hawk, but Lewis doesn’t IMO
"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." Don Shula
draft
no way steelers draft Baluga with 18th pick. Now why would they do that when starks is locked up for 4 more years. Also Gerry dulac said “noway” Colon goes to RG. Urbik is gonna have a great chance to win that job cause of Kugler’s style of blocking. urbik’s a 3 time All Big Ten OL . Foster and Essex wil dress as backups. The 1st Rd picks gonna be a trade up for a CB or a stay and pick Urdrik out of Penn St. He’s a guy who can play NG in a 3-4 a bigger version of Aaron Smith’s clone. I could see the Steelers trading up the 2nd rd for a MLB to groom for Farrior. Sean Lee is a possibility they really like him, and he is a 3-4 MLB. Now i live in Baltimore area and speak to Kiper regularly at espnzone at the harbor. He seems to think Wetherspoon could be our 2nd rd pick. 3rd rd a FS . 4th Rd a RB with one of there 2 picks but Steelers could use the compensatory pick in a trade to move up in 1st or 2nd rd. Picks 5-7 those guys are practice layers at best were still a superbowl caliber team as long as the running game gets fixed.
I agree with Bulaga as #1 pick
He might be the best OL guy available this year and it’s pretty hard to argue that the Steelers are set on the OL and couldn’t use a top pick there. Watch some film of Bulaga. It’s rare when anyone gets past him to the QB. But if neither Bulaga nor Mike Iupati are still on the board when we make our #1 pick, I say take Dan Williams—a great prospect for NT. The OL should be our first priority, unless we can’t get one of those two guys with the #18 pick.
best player available
our off-tackles are good, need interior o=line upgrade center and guard positions! but need defense secondary and ilb help more! no palumalu exposed how bad our back half is!

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