BTSC Daily Six Pack - The Steelers Were A Successful Short Yardage Team Edition?
IX- The ESPN North Blog has an interview with Steelers GM Kevin Colbert. Colbert of course doesn't tip his hand on much, but there's a number of interesting topics discussed including his thoughts on last season, how the league's trending towards being more of a pass-oriented league, Troy Polamalu, Big Snack, and others.
X- If you're so inclined, go vote for our blog in Sean Rambling's Second Annual Pittsburgh Sports Blog Tournament. As of a few minutes ago, BTSC was trailing the very informative and popular Penn State Blog, Black Shoe Diaries. As acceptable as it would be to lose to BSD - an SBN blog as well - we can't let a PSU blog advance in the Pittsburgh tournament can we?
XIII - I'll be joining Ken Laird on his Stillers 365 Podcast later this evening. You can check out the audio home page of 1250 ESPN Pittsburgh here for a complete listing of their shows and links to interviews, including Laird's consistently good podcast. (Hope I don't bring down the quality tonight!)
XIV- This is a bit dated, but an interesting nugget I found (hat tip: Ken Laird from his recent podcast) about the Steelers tendencies in 'power situations'...i.e. 3rd or 4th and short (1-2 yards). Teams ran the ball 63% of the time around the league in such situations. The Steelers? 66% of the time. Not only did the Steelers actually pound the rock in those situations more often than their opponents around the league, they were also better than average at converting. The Steelers had a 72% power success rate, which by my count was the 5th best mark in the league.
XL - Not sure if somebody has already provided something like this for the group, but you can find a complete list of free agents by position right here. I'll let you peruse for yourself and make your own judgments, but one thing that jumped out at me was the shoddy list of available free agent running backs.
XLIII - To conclude, here's today's chat transcript with Ed Bouchette at the PG. Topics covered: Polamalu moving out to So. Cal to train again this summer, Hampton, FWP, et al.
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5th best in the league eh?
Maybe we dont need Iupati after all.
by SteelerMessican on Feb 16, 2010 2:18 PM EST reply actions
yea
Problem is we’re constantly in 3rd and long because of the sacks – some of which are on the line, and some of which are on Ben. In ’08, the Steelers were awesome in 3rd and long. Naturally, their performance in those situations leveled off in ’09.
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by Michael Bean on Feb 16, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Sacks
Blitz, I mentioned this once before but I think it bears repeating here. A few weeks ago, I noticed that of the Steelers’ 50 sacks this season, all were on Ben. In the 15 games that Ben played, we averaged 3.3 sacks per game. Against the Ravens, with Dixon starting, we gave up 0 sacks. That’s just one game, but the Ravens are still a pretty good defense. Based on that, I think it’s a little more likely that more sacks (this season) were on Ben than the OL.
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 16, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
i would agree
The O Line’s not great by any means, but its not total dogmeat imo either. Ben makes them look much worse than they are.
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by Michael Bean on Feb 16, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure how the stat is kept
But according to ProFootballFocus.com 28 of the sacks were on the OL (possibly a few more on TEs or RBs). How accurate is that? I don’t know.
However, I can most definitely say that not all of the sacks were on Ben. Just look at the Browns game, all 8 of those seemed to be OL problems.
As far as the Ravens game goes, what was the split in that game? 34 runs and 20 passes or something? Additionally, Dixon was not going through progressions and only making one or two reads. Ben is a more prolific passer because he is able to make reads better, but that takes a tiny bit more time. Unfortunately, sometimes he is too stubborn to abandon a route he likes and that results in sacks. We may have given up 3 sacks in that Ravens game, but I think we woulda won it with Ben behind center.
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by John Stephens on Feb 16, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
26 runs and 38 passes
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by John Stephens on Feb 16, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying that Dixon should replace Ben, just that he could do a lot to help out his OL.
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 16, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Well using that ratio of pass to run would help out the OL, regardless of QB.
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by John Stephens on Feb 16, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
I got the impression that game
that they were doing everything possible to keep Dixon from getting creamed. Lots of protection kept in, where normally with Ben they would have had RBs and TEs running routes or block and release.
Whenever someone makes that comparison, I wonder if they designed a lot around keeping the wolves off him and that is ther eason no sacks. Terrel Suggs was out too, wasn’t he? What do you think?
Could be
Like I said, it was only one game. It just seemed to me that the fact that Ben missed a game and yet he took every sack this season may give some indication that the QB has a lot to do with how often he’s getting sacked. Also, if they were able to get things done to protect Dixon, why couldn’t we see a little more of that with Ben?
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 16, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Because Ben takes hits
and gets back up believing that he will make it work next time. So they are willing to take the chance, because he sure as hell is.
Dixon get thrashed, maybe never the same mentally or confidence-wise. Just an possiblity, have to ask BA and MT.
Possible
If so, that’s more on scheme and Ben than the OL, isn’t it?
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 17, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
I would think so
putting me in agreement with your comment up above.
What would Ben do if he had time, but not so many options down field? I suppose its 6 of one, half dozen of the other.
I hope that Kugler is the kind of coach as they say – focusing on individual strengths and getting the most from that. It could work well with the guys we got.
Well I think on the majority of the downs they had an extra guy on the line and a back in the field on mostly every down. Taking two extra guys out of the field really narrows your passing abilities.
Why we don’t have a more balanced run game after a successful night of running the ball against a good run stuffing D is beyond me.
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by John Stephens on Feb 17, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
You guys are crazy
How many sacks did Ben avoid by escaping? They don’t count? It is my personal project to prove that the line is responsible for most of the sacks. Ben is at fault for some. I am going to see if I can watch the games on NFL .com and report back.
THe line is crap. BA is always calling deep passes- that contributes to the sacks. There are not enough hot reads. And the defense knows when we are passing. I estimate as follows: O line: 29 sacks. Ben 11 sacks. BA play calling 10. Ben avoided sacks: 22
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That you believe you have the answer to before you start.
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by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 17, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sure we’d all love to see the data once you finish that project. For credibility, you’d have been better off not to make an estimate.
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 17, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
66% of the time? Can I see the math on that?
I was pretty surprised by the fact that the league average in those situations was only 63% of the time too. Seems awful low to me.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
As far as stats go
Football Outsides is one of the best. Sometimes, some of the numbers they have make my jaws drop. I am sure if you wanted, you could go through the game recaps and check the %s though. It took me less than an hour to do that for the 14 weeks, for one of my posts.
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by John Stephens on Feb 16, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
I don't have two jaws...
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by John Stephens on Feb 16, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Imagine
our disappointment.
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by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 17, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t flap my jaw nearly as much as I rabble away on my keyboard.
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by John Stephens on Feb 17, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
And here I thought you were making a Ron Jawarski referrence...
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
XIV
“a bit dated”
Are you suggesting we ran the ball in third or fourth and short situations 66% of the time in 2009? That is almost impossible to believe.
"Our O-line is developing, they just don’t show it." From "Buc It" a Bucs fan.
yeah
It’s correct. Checked it. The dudes are Football Outsiders don’t publish things they haven’t checked twice. I started to comb through the play by plays to look myself and it was on that trajectory through the first half of the season. I stopped there.
Also have to consider QB sneaks in those numbers. Ben/Dixon had 10 of them and converted 9.
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by Michael Bean on Feb 16, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
the holiday five pack lol
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Feb 16, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
lol
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by Michael Bean on Feb 16, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
the offense
It’s funny. When I look around at all the elements of our offense, I really don’t see many problems. We’ve got a good passing game, I think our run/pass ratio suits both the league and our talent, I trust Ben in most football situations, and our running game is fairly capable (gasp) in goal line situations. Even our OL looks better than it has in recent years.
Something about our offense just doesn’t look right, though, and it still doesn’t seem like it’s something we can count on from week to week. When I watch Mendy run, I just think “that boy ain’t right”. There are games that I say the same thing about the passing game (Cleveland, Minny).
A lot of times, things that don’t “look” right turn out to be just a figment of our imagination while we’re contantly looking for the perfect football team. Also, things like red zone percentage and 3rd down percentage fluctuate drastically from year to year and seem to be more a product of luck than of inate skill.
Still, I just can’t tell if this offense is likely to rebound from it’s struggles into the truly good offense a lot of the stats seem to be implying it will be, or if my intuitive mistrust of anything Arians is correct and we are forever banished to watching the same offense we’ve seen over the past 3 years futilely flail against half decent defenses.
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I think
When I watch Mendy run, I just think "that boy ain’t right".
That is a sentiment shared by a good amount of people, but is not spoken out loud. Some sort of jinx from speaking about it may cause him to fumble on every touch. He needs to go to Tiki Barber “High and Tight” school and get some sedatives for his case of the spins.
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by John Stephens on Feb 16, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
He's a different sort of dude.
Ever see him interviewed or read anything about him? He’s real introspective and is supposedly very into art and jazz and books. I think he’s his own man and he has his own style. As a person I really admire that. As a fan, it kind of worries me. I’m just not 100% convinced that his “style” is conducive to a long-term NFL career. This should probably be one of those things that remains unspoken, but I’d be surprised if he turned into a long-term franchise back for us. I can see him going Barry Foster and losing his taste for the game, or wanting to take up something else ala Ricky Williams. Which isn’t to say I don’t like him as a player. I really do. I think he has huge potential. But I’d feel better if we made a little investment (through the draft or otherwise) on another quality young back.
p.s. – I hope I’m ridiculously wrong about this…
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by cliff harris is still a punk! on Feb 16, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
I feel what you're saying
Never seen an interview or anything like that with him, so I will take your word. Just based on his style alone I think we should invest in a young back, maybe not this year, but in 2 years or so.
And yes, I hope you’re wrong too.
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by John Stephens on Feb 16, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
By the way, unrelated to Mendenhall...
…I just finished watching the “America’s Game” episode of our 2008 season on NFL Network. Man, that defense is so much better with Troy and Aaron Smith. I suddenly feel a lot better about us going into next season.
Golf is a contact sport. Football is a collision sport.
by cliff harris is still a punk! on Feb 16, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, if our defense returns to being close to 2008 form and the offense doesn’t, we’re in for a hell of a season. I was just looking through our opponents; we’ll need our defense in top shape when we play New Orleans and New England. And we’ll need our offense to outplay the 2008 version if we’re to beat the Jets.
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and . . .
. . . if the 2009 season is any indication . . . all 16 games will need a defense in “top shape” . . . health-wise at least . . .
19 games
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by Steel Spike on Feb 17, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Nope -
we all know in our hearts that you’re right…
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by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 17, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
That's more than we can say for the fans of half the league :)
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
They're ignorant.
What can I say? I only pity them for being fans of such unsatisfactory teams.
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by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 17, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
But, without the fans, there would be no team.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
True -
and we have to have somebody to play, I suppose.
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by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 17, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
No, we can just be crowned world champs
without a game being played. Kinda like how the media does with the cheatriots every year…
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
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mendenhall
He’s a different sort of dude. He’s real introspective and is supposedly very into art and jazz and books.
I agree with you on Mendy’s disposition based on what I’ve gathered about him. I believe Franco was kind of an introspective hippy too. And that’s back in the 70s when hippies were Hippies, man! Old # 32 didn’t like contact either. He could still tote the rock. Mendanhall just needs to watch that spike lee movie about basketball. He needs to see the game as an art form. He needs to paint his masterpiece on the gridiron. If Rashard can get all philosophical about taking a ball and pounding it into a pile of men trying to rip his head off, he might be a good back.
I can see him going Barry Foster and losing his taste for the game, or wanting to take up something else ala Ricky Williams.
You might be right on that. That’s why it’s up to Tomlin to keep him motivated and in the right mindset because the kid can get some yards, and he can catch out of the backfield well too. He could be very dangerous. He’s had about 102 starts or so, right? He’s still so young.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
I disagree
I think the fans and media get too attached to this idea of the idiot football savant that lives to play football. In fact, I think the perspective of not always taking football too seriously is something the Steelers have thrived with. Troy obviously has an extensive interest in non-sports related pursuits, same with the great Chuck Noll.
Ricky Williams is an isolated case: the second I see Mendy wearing his helmet to a press conference, then I will begin to worry. Same with how they criticized him when he was injured for not coming to practice sometimes and going to art museums. Personally, I thought that was awesome. A little balance ensures that when you are on a football field then your mind is not elsewhere. And last I checked, Barry Foster is a RB coach somewhere now, so he can not have lost his taste for the game too match.
Having said this, and pointing to the Steelers desire to have well-rounded individuals, a solid pat on the back to whomever can tell me which current player in the draft that sounds like….
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
Myone Rolle
Start patting buddy
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by John Stephens on Feb 17, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Myrone*
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by John Stephens on Feb 17, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
On Mendy and Myrone Rolle:
I’d love to see Myrone Rolle in Black and Gold. And like I said before, I have great respect for any player whose world extends beyond the football field. Being well-rounded and cerebral are two of the most admirable traits you can have. However, the nature of football is such that if you think about what you’re doing too much, eventually you run up against how crazy it is. On the America’s Game episode, Troy said himself that the reason he prays after every play is because he’s scared to death that he’s going to get seriously injured or that he’ll seriously injure someone else. Myrone Rolle, who grew up close to where I live and who has been featured in the local paper several times, has said that he thinks often about his life after football because he recognizes that football can only be a small and temporary part of it due to its violent nature. And yes, Barry Foster is back as a coach, but he left in his prime because he got worn down (mentally as well as physically) by the pounding. Guys like Barry Sanders and Robert Smith walked away in their primes for these reasons as well. Again, I hope I’m wrong about Mendy and ten years from now we’re all writing about whether or not he should be in the Hall of Fame. But we’ve already seen examples of him not being 100% committed in the way coaches demand it of their players (remember him being benched for not studying his playbook hard enough, or how he was criticized for not being around the Steelers facility his rookie season after he was placed on IR?). If he’s as cerebral and introspective as he seems to be, I suspect he’s well-aware of how brutal a toll football is going to take on him. I just wonder if he’ll be able to reconcile continuing to do it over the long haul…
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by cliff harris is still a punk! on Feb 17, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
You can take that perspective two ways
One, he understands the toll and it causes him to ease up. Two, he understand the toll and it allows him to play every play like it truly might be his last … with perspective, a la Troy. I do not disagree that it is a little different, but I doubt it makes a big difference. Does Troy’s fear in any way cause him to go easier? Some people, and I believe I am this way, need to convince themselves of the rationality of something to them before their body is willing to run through walls… it is just a different process.
You mention Barry and Robert Smith; I was thinking about them earlier. Given the demands on a RB now and how most of their careers are supposedly done around 29-31, I imagine that this tends to be the expectation anyways. We have a good RB for around 6-8 years and then, unfortunately, it is time for someone else. Whether it is the FO or the Player placing that expiration date does not make a difference to me. We have Mendy now, he will be here awhile, and he is committed to football right now.
(good discussion…)
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
Nicely said, sctx...
And if we get 6-8 good years out of Mendy and he gets to walk away from the game on his own terms, that’s a win-win…
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by cliff harris is still a punk! on Feb 17, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I was actually coming over here to give you a link for the six pack about the Steelers. It is a Steelers team analysis from BaltimoreRavens.com.
http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/?p=3737
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
That's about as uninteresting a read as I've seen in a looong time...
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Take a look in the mirror and it won’t be so long next time.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I don't cast a reflection in a mirror...
No Steeler fan does. We don’t need it anyways, we’re all confident enough with ourselves. We also don’t have other teams fans narcissism, because we KNOW we’re better. :)
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Yea, you definitely were better this year. Good looking team you got there……..
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I meant better fans
How many times did you see us calling for our QB’s head this season? Our head coach?
Sure, we did want our OC fired, our #2 corner and back up safety, but not a single one of us stopped being fans or blogging during the teams downturn. Sound like anyone you know? :)
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
I don’t know anyone on these blogs. You are all just a bunch of keyboards.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I meant you, you fair weather fan.
You stopped blogging for what, 3 weeks this last season? Wasn’t it after the second loss to the Bengals?
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
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by Steel Spike on Feb 16, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I know, just joshin ya
I stopped commenting, but never stopped reading. I was tired of repeating myself after each week and seeing the same thing.
I am far from a fair weather fan. If I were one, I would be a Colts or Pats fan by now. Just like fans from about 20 other teams converted over to Steeler love once they won in 2005.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I knew you were
Well, winners tend to attract more fans. Wonder why some teams had local blackouts for some of their games? Because they aren’t winners.
I’m pretty sure the Ravens have had a fairly big jump in your fanbase since your back to back playoff seasons.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
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by Steel Spike on Feb 16, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
SteelerChatPack aka Kip from Napoleon Dynamite.
He stopped blogging. What was the name of that post he always tried to do? Where the Iron Meets the Rubber or something cheesy like that.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
The usual smash mouth Steelers also ranked in the bottom half of the league when it came to rushing attempts, partly because of that line.
Other than that misinformed sentence, it wasn’t bad.
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-Bobby Knight
by John Stephens on Feb 16, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
That includes QB sneaks, though, doesn't it?
Show me the math on how often we’re successful when not ramming a 240 lbs 100 million dollar QB into the defenses teeth for 6 inches… then I’ll be impressed.
yes it does indeed include qb sneaks
there were 30 of 43 i believe in other situations
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by Michael Bean on Feb 16, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
QB Sneaks don’t work if the OL doesn’t win the battle at the line, even if the QB is 240lbs.
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-Bobby Knight
by John Stephens on Feb 16, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions

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