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by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 10:19 AM EST
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Who was the last great cornerback, to play on steeltown. I miss the days of Rod Woodson. Trying to get a hold of him, to see if he could possibly make a come back lol. since the fans and the organization for some reason. Thinks we dont need one. I know people, im a steeler fan to, we love LBs. We dont need more LBs. Its called over the top. Every draft we think we need a LB. stop it, bring back porter and focus on a corner please. Now we risigned hampton. We should be good there. Arron smith and troy should be healthy. There's no reason to mess with the offense, other then a o-lineman (maybe). But seriously everyone knows it was the defense. So please woodson come back.
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If we don't need more linebackers...
Why do you suggest we bring Joey Porter back? We’re all set, are we not?
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 25, 2010 10:43 AM EST reply actions
pretty sure
we are all set better to get proven porter for a little money and not waste draft pick
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
porter left miami
cause he wants to start, he isnt coming here
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Feb 25, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Was about to say that
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
dude
he would get just as many reps
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
No he wouldn't
Who is he starting over? Harrison? Woodley? Not a chance on either.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
fill in
for both of them when they are resting
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
What point of
He wants to start and only start, isn’t clear?
He left a huge contract in Miami because he wants to start.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
Porter believes he is a 3 down player
Not a situational backup or spell player
Thats the whole reason hes leaving Miami
Without me, youre only you
I find this whole response highly unlikely...
As stated above, he wants to start somewhere, and most likely get paid as such. He has no reason to come back here for cheap, no matter how much any fans want him too (I’m in that group).
Secondly, if we are “all set”, as you have stated, we don’t need him anyway.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 25, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Wisenhunt will take him
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Feb 25, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
You think Whiz
might take a look at Parker, too?
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Feb 25, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
didnt even think about that
but hell yes he will, I wouldnt be surprised if he went over the Steelers of the west
I don't know about that though...
Beanie Wells is going to be a beast. Tim Hightower has some real talent too. Willie would most likely find himself on the outside looking in behind two much younger, more versatile backs.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 26, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Arizona was the first thought that came to me when he was "released"...
I agree fully. How much longer can Clark Haggans play?
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 26, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Offense
all we need is a good Tackle to pick up.
As stated before with the CB thing.
You have currently, Ike, Gay, Burnett, Lewis for sure next year.
Say what you want but here are the facts.
Ike is a premier corner in this league. He goes up against the oppositions #1 receiver and has had some rough spot but for the most part you don’t see the ball get to his receiver too often. Just because the corner doesn’t catch the ball doesn’t mean he doesn’t defend the ball well, and for a corner, that is the most important job – defending.
Burnett/Lewis can fight it out for the second spot. Burnett did ok but did have that one, pick – Ike had how many? and we’ll see how he develops. Lewis was picked in the 3rd round, he is bigger and faster than Burnett, more athletic, we’ll see what we’ll have in him this year, last year he was injured. If Lewis is better than Burnett, let him have the 2nd CB spot, he will be better than any rookie that comes in outside of Joe Haden (they will need a year to learn the system) unless they get a high profile CB in the FA, and thats not happening.
Lewis/Burnett and Gay
Depending on who wins the 2nd spot at CB, there will be a fight for the 3rd/Nickel CB and 4th Dime. Gay has proven that he can handle this well and I believe that burnett or lewis could aslo, dime CB rarely gets on the field and will be going up against the 4th best receiver on the team or tight end or running back. I think these guys can handle that.
Other back ups – I can see us drafted a CB late in the draft to fill this role, someone who won’t see the field at all unless there is an injury. No point in putting a big money free agent here either, maybe a small signing or keep Deshea Townsend.
Now do you understand why CB is not that great of a need in the draft? We won’t pick up a #1 CB in FA because they cost too much and the only #1 CB in the draft is Haden and we won’t sell the farm to move up in the top 9 to get him. There are also questions about his game too.
I don’t know how I can say it any clearer. That is why people believe we will go ILB or OT in the first round, there are great prospects there and we have zero depth in those places. Don’t be surprised if we pick up an OLB before we pick up a CB in this draft because we have no depth there either. DE still needs to get young but CB I think is still in the mix just later in the draft. It makes the most sense.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
Great analysis -
but I do have to set the record straight here -
Ike had how many?
Same number as Burnett – don’t forget the Miracle at Sun Life Stadium. Admittedly, he had a few billion more chances than Burnett…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Feb 25, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Billion is high... millions... yes :)
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 25, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
exactly momma
as of right now ike is a good #2 we need a number 1 shut down corner with hands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Nnamdi Asomugha
Had 1 interception last year.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
But he's Awesome-Wah
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Feb 25, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
cmon
dude u are rediculous he played on the raiders they only have 3 or 4 good players plus they never throw to his side hahaha
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
So what?
He is one of those good players. Being on the Raiders has nothing to do with him grabbing interceptions or not. Revis had 6 picks and they “never throw to his side”.
Interceptions are flukes more than anything for a DB. They are too focused on staying insync with the receiver and batting away the ball than catching it. Picks generally come from either a really, really bad pass, a DL deflection, or some fluke bounce.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
I can't resist
Are you really saying that great players only play on great teams SF7? What do you call Cribbs?? He’s in freakin’ CLEVELAND for heaven’s sake! I’d say he’s a little better than average, wouldn’t you?
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
We like to gently mock Ike on this site
but we understand that he is doing an excellent job at his position, and we aren’t looking for our corners to make a lot of interceptions. Troy will take care of that for us – that’s what he does. As well as taking people out, freaking out the opposition, and walking on water. That’s why most of us aren’t in favor of using a high draft pick on a corner.
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Feb 25, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
well he can play all of the positions at the same time
while curing cancer, Aids, the Common Cold and Swine Flu with one arm tied behind his back
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"the earth moves when Sean Payton walks...Because his balls are just that huge." Anarchon after Super Bowl XLIV
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 25, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like jealousy to me : )
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Feb 25, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
can you blame him?
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
No, indeed.
Heck, I’m jealous of him as well. I would love to be able to do all that stuff : )
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Feb 25, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
No I'm Jelous Issac Redman
that dude has a cult I’m pretty sure, there is no Cult of Tebow
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"the earth moves when Sean Payton walks...Because his balls are just that huge." Anarchon after Super Bowl XLIV
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
by WVPiratesfan on Feb 25, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Buy the black Nikes
and your on yer way to the inner circle
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Feb 25, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Redman comments always draw me in
Going to Trenton, to get his new jersey.
To try and fail may be unacceptable, but failing to try, is accepting failure.
If he's not pouring shots amidst all that
then what’s the point?
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Feb 25, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We can't rely on Polamalu
I think that is one thing we’ve learned from this year. He will miss a few games every year and we do need to be prepared for that. I know we drafted those two guys last year, but there is no guarantee that Lewis will bounce back or that they will pan out. There have been a few guys I have seen in any order behind Haden that could be first rounders, Kyle Wilson, Perrish Cox, Patrick Robinson, Kareem Jackson, and Devin Mccourty have all been projected as a first rounder over the past few weeks by various pundits and bloggers. Maybe we give a few of them a 1st round grade, and they fall to us in the 2nd round. As long as we get value for our picks, I am ok with us going in any number of directions. But I don’t think we should pass up a good value just because we picked two guys late last year, a little competition never hurt anyone
Well
I thought so, but wasn’t sure, that even goes to prove my point that you what you have out of burnett either, another Ike clone I would not mind.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Feb 25, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
why?
why are we so worried about 1 LB going down but not troy????
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 12:23 PM EST reply actions
We are worried about Troy going down
That is why we want depth at Safety. However, since we do in fact have Troy we don’t need to draft a #1 pick to sit behind him. Farrior is getting old and we need his replacement sooner than we need Troy’s. That is why we want a McClain. Is this making sense yet?
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
no
cause we can get a LB next year cause we still have farrior we dont have a # 1 corner!!!! is that making sense yet
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 12:44 PM EST reply actions
did you read anything I wrote
who is going to be a #1 corner for us…. tell me give me a name… You can’t just say we need a #1 corner and go out and manufacture one, who is a viable option?
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Feb 25, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Right dude
You clearly know more than anyone here, not sure why we ever tried arguing with you. Enjoy your ignorance.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
We have a number 1 Corner. That is what we are saying. We have depth at corner. That is what we are saying. We dont have replacement for Farrior: McClain would be that man.
The argument isnt just about McClain though, Iupati or Bulaga are options at positions of need too. Does it make sense how the draft works? You have lots of depth at a position (CB), so you dont draft there in the early rounds. You have minimal depth at other positions (ILB, S, OL, OLB) so you draft there. Preferably in that order. See, it is easy!
we dont have depth we got taylor a 3 puppies who did nothing
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Mendenhall hadn’t done anything till this year. but we had depth at RB because we had a young guy with the talent to play. We have CB’s that are young and have talent. LeBeau’s defense is pretty hard to learn, seriously, call him up and ask him, it takes time to learn it.
When you talk to him he’ll also tell you Lewis was doing a great job learning the system and was ready to contribute but injury ruined that. He should be a solid bet to contribute, and maybe start by the end of this season.
by Phantaskippy on Feb 25, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Its hard to do something
When you arent on the field. Are you just looking at stats and saying he did nothing?
Gay took his lumps, Lewis and Burnett were used sparingly because we had Townsend as the backup who knew the system, while those two watch and learn
Without me, youre only you
From the front page
this is Kevin Colbert, the Steelers GM head of drafting guys, here what he has to say:
On the big passing numbers across the league and any added importance of having great DBs: “I don’t think you can ever minimize the importance of having a great corner or a great safety. Fortunately, we have a great safety in Troy Polomalu. Yes, the league has changed, it has become more of a passing league, but realistically, it’s still all going to start up front, because if you have a great pass rush, you might be able to get by with a lesser defensive back. So I don’t’ want to minimize the importance of any part of the defense in trying to combat the different offensive philosophies.”
Straight from the horses mouth. Can you now shut up with this CB thing. Its really getting annoying.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
dunta
ohh wait we cant spend money or trade picks or do anything for corners makes no sense
by steelersfamily7@aol.com on Feb 25, 2010 12:51 PM EST reply actions
SF7, if you stick around
you will find that we all have our “la, la, la, I can’t hear you” moments, but there is a point that we get over them and move on to the next subject. We don’t have the slightest idea what the FO is going to do in the draft and in picking up free agents, although we can make some guesses based on comments from Colbert such as the one above. But in the end it doesn’t make the slightest difference what we think – the Steelers will do what they’re going to do. And thank heavens for that, because they know a whole lot more about it than any of us.
So do feel free to move to another topic now. I know it is difficult to do when one feels strongly about something, but the more one rails on a certain thing the less others pay attention to what one is saying. Honestly, we’re not trying to run you off – we just want to help you contribute to the discussion in a positive way.
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Feb 25, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
well put
momma knows best
But to address dunta, not that its out of the question, but as you did say yourself, the Steelers don’t typically make big splashes in FA so I wouldn’t expect it.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Feb 25, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Momma, don't waste too much breath here...
There is a disconnect on the listening (or reading) skills with this one.
Steelers could use depth at every position on D
Not to mention the D is much older than the O by far. I’ve been saying on this blog for some time that I have a feeling the Steelers are going to trade up to get their guy this year. It says here they go as high as #11 if they can manage to pull of the trade.
Having drafted two corners last year and signed the Snack today, it is looking less and less likely that the Steelers will use the 1st round pick on any CBs or the NT.
In light of today’s developments I’d like to see the Steelers go after the best possible FS to play opposite Troy in the 1st.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
I think we can pick up an impact safety in the 2nd
look at last years draft, guys like Jairus Byrd and Louis Delmas were both impact players and second rounders. Probably BPA in the first
"Every Day I walk past 6 Lombardi trophies not 6 rushing titles" - Greatest Tomlinism ever.
by EnglishSteelerGotBanned on Feb 25, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
But, I'd rather have a "stud"
and if I’ve been following these mock’s correctly, there are 2 guys that may be just that and they will be gone by 18.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Feb 25, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, if there is a chance we get Earl Thomas then I say take him but I don’t think he’s worth drafting up for.
"Every Day I walk past 6 Lombardi trophies not 6 rushing titles" - Greatest Tomlinism ever.
by EnglishSteelerGotBanned on Feb 25, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
But how do you know both corners will make it out of camp?
There is no guarantee that both of those guys will be starters down the road or even be on the team. Remember when everybody thought Ryan Mcbean would be the next great Steeler d-lineman? And Bruce Davis was supposed to be special too.
And maybe it’s just me, but I think we need to upgrade that position with 1st or 2nd round talent. Cornerback and offensive line are the only positions that we haven’t drafted a 1st rounder for. I think it’s time we addressed that.
Plus I think Ike’s in the last year of his contract anyway. Draft his replacement now and give him a year as a backup to learn the defense.
by StoneColdSteel on Feb 25, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you about
but also agree with a poster above who said there really is no impact, first round CB talent available. Second round, I’d be happier with but not 1st round.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Feb 25, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree
Haden, Donovan Warren, and Kyle Wilson could all go in the first round. Warren is my darkhorse for our 1st rounder.
With a good workout he’ll definitely be a 1st rounder. You guys should know by now that after the combine players that didn’t stand out before catch your eye. And his film is impressive too.
by StoneColdSteel on Feb 25, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
Haden is a potential difference maker (although I am wary that he is going to be a bust) but we have no shot at getting him and if we were in a position to take him we would be in a position to take Eric Berry (who we would move on faster instead).
Warren could be available in the 2nd round at our pick which says all you need to know about his true 1st round potential and I agree with you on Wilson as a dark horse, but he isnt a first round draft pick even though he may prove to be a first round professional.
I'd be weary
of guys who shoot up the boards…. you don’t want darkhorses when you are picking 18 you want sure fire stud, that just my opinion.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Feb 25, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Also
wasn’t Ike a 4th round pick???
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Feb 26, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Yup -
125th overall.
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Feb 26, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
He was a massive reach aswell,
he only played 1 year of CB, he couldn’t get a spot on the team at Louisiana Lafayette his first 2 years and played running back his junior year but got moved to CB his senior season due to injuries.
"Every Day I walk past 6 Lombardi trophies not 6 rushing titles" - Greatest Tomlinism ever.
by EnglishSteelerGotBanned on Feb 26, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
So you mean to tell me
You don’t HAVE to be a 1st round pick to be a decent CB in this league? I’m shocked!!!
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Feb 26, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
No, suprisingly some guys make it from smaller schools with less experience :O
all aboard the Akwasi Owusu-Ansah train!!!
"Every Day I walk past 6 Lombardi trophies not 6 rushing titles" - Greatest Tomlinism ever.
by EnglishSteelerGotBanned on Feb 26, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
MEEEEEEEEEEE
"Every Day I walk past 6 Lombardi trophies not 6 rushing titles" - Greatest Tomlinism ever.
by EnglishSteelerGotBanned on Feb 25, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Got mine already thanks
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 25, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
I’d love to get Earl Thomas this draft, but it looks doubtful (he seems to be going up the lists) because he can play both, so even if he wasn’t ready at corner he could play safety or nickel right off the bat.
As for depth, we have CB depth, we need OLB and ILB depth. We need a young NT and Safety starter or depth. As for Offense we need an upgrade somewhere on the line, and tackle depth. Those are the needs, which ones we meet through draft, FA, or just make do without we shall see.
Injuries really hurt us last year, but even if all those guys are healthy we have a lot of older players starting and being reserves, we need youth all over the place.
as thomas goes up someone must come down
mcclain maybe? one can only hope.
+1 on everything else we need youth literally everywhere on defense (maybe not Corner, just need talent at corner)
i dont really think we need a young NT though… i’ve heard rumors that rashon harris is being groomed to be a NT, i’m not sold on that idea since we already have chris hoke. with casey’s 3 year deal coming today id like to get a NT in rounds 2-3 next year (2011 draft) and part ways with hoke. its unfortunate but it will be better for us
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 25, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
just occured to me
i could see the broncos taking thomas… maybe not their greatest need they could use mcclain more probably. but their secondary is really old. dawkins and champ need replacements asap
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 25, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
They draft two safetys last year.
Thomas most likely will go to the Giants
I getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
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