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IX- I had no idea. Tom Moore, the longtime maestro of the Indianapolis Colts, was once the offensive coordinator of the Pittsburgh Steelers.  Yup, the only offensive coordinator Peyton Manning has ever worked with in the NFL orchestrated the Steelers offense in the 1980s. Moore was the receivers coach from '77-'82 before being handed the reins of the offense in 1983. He would be fired after the 1989 season following nearly a decade of unimaginative and stagnant offense. As Ed Bouchette astutely noted

Chuck Noll hired Moore in 1977 to coach his wide receivers in an era in which Noll served as his own offensive coordinator. Moore helped develop the new passing attack they used in '78 when the rules changed and suddenly Terry Bradshaw's offense turned into one of the best in the league at throwing the ball.

"We went to the Super Bowl in '78 and '79 and we got more involved in passing and we still had the good running game, we were two-back because that's what our personnel dictated," Moore said.

Anyway, time's change, people change...and it helps having Peyton Manning making you look good. It's hard to deny though that Tom Moore has been one of the most accomplished offensive minds in football this past quarter century.

X - I hate to go here, but some somewhat entertaining speculation on the Bill Cowher front. Courtesy of? None other than Jerome Bettis. Bettis has speculated recently that Cowher is holding out for the New York Giants job. It does actually make some sense. Coughlin might be on somewhat thin ice heading in to next season considering how they've played since the midway point of the 2008 season. Cowher would then potentially be teaming up with one of the other few family run organizations in sports - the Giants. He'd have a veteran quarterback in his prime years, an organizational commitment to doing things the right way, and a history of playing a brand of football that's familiar with Cowher. Who knows though what will happen. The Giants could very well make another run next year, which in turn would probably grandfather Coughlin in to his job there for quite some time. 

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And, as Cowher is quick to point out:

"That’s Jerome," Cowher said. "It’s like us (the CBS analysts) up here. We say things to throw it out there and who knows? I haven’t talked to Jerome in two years."

XIII - Congratulations Troy Polamalu! #43 was named to the NFL's All Decade Team. He's the only current Steeler to make the team, though former Steelers Alan Faneca and Joey Porter were named to the squad as well. Solid honor for the likely Hall of Famer. I really can't wait to see the gold standard of highlight compilations someone puts together when Polamalu's career is over.

XIV - I'm bad. I admit it. But I just couldn't help it. Want to read a mediocre article about Tim Tebow and how the Steelers should draft him if he were available in the 3rd or 4th round (a ridiculous premise in and of itself)? Check it out here (shocking, Bleacher Report!). Okay, I wasn't actually going to be unnecessarily snarky until I got to the comments and read this gem:

Good characterization of Tebow's traditional Steelers mentality, a real throwback to the Chuck Nolan era. That said, you're probably right that we won't see him as a starting quarterback.

.God Bless the collective rationality and intelligence of you all here. I'll just say that...

XL- Well that didn't last too long. The love affair between Joey Porter and the Miami Dolphins might not last more than three years. Listen to Porter sound like a victim here; or if you're sans audio, read a quick overview about his 'plight' here. I recommend the audio interview though when/if you get a chance. For the record, I don't entirely blame Porter for his frustration - he feels he was underutilized coming off a monster year in '08. Still, look at your payday my man. Then realize it's probably best to keep your mouth shut.

XLIII - We've gotten our first taste of what the negotiations between the Steelers and Casey Hampton might look like. I wrote about the subject late last week, Hampton went on the record recently to say that having the Franchise Tag slapped on him would be a 'slap in the face.' Stay tuned. 

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Bad Feeling About Snack

The more I think about it, the more it seems he’s gone. When was the last time a “good” Steelers player finished the last year of his contract, and re-signed with the Steelers?? By “good”, I mean you can’t count guys like Deshea.

May force us to focus on Dan Williams in the draft.

by SteelerMessican on Feb 3, 2010 7:56 AM EST reply actions  

Snack

is taking a similar approach to faneca. We all see how that ended. Heres to hoping Chris Hoke can fill in next year.

by sparco on Feb 3, 2010 9:15 AM EST reply actions  

Blitz Pack
  • I had posted about Moore being the Steelers one time OC several months ago and it shocked several readers. Didn’t know that was such obscure info. Once Bradshaw left and Moore was saddled with Cliff Stoudt, Mark Malone and Bubby Brister he was run out of town on a rail. Funny how Peyton Manning turns you into a genius.
  • Maybe the NYG for Cowher. I think he is more interested in Carolina. At any rate Cowher has repaid his debt to the Rooney’s and the Steelers Nation in full. I wish him well in whatever endeavor he chooses. I just hope he doesn’t make a mistake and spoil his legacy.
  • J Peazy can’t help but run his mouth. It’s in his DNA. Happy he got his pay day and we got Deebo. Like Cowher, I wish Porter well. We don’t win XL without 55 chasing down Manning and others repeatedly during the run.
  • I really hope we sign Snack. I don’t know where we will find someone to man NT next year. Major pressure to draft a NT with the #1 and I don’t like HAVING to draft a position. Of course with all the teams switching to 3/4 and an uncapped year in 2010 I am sure someone will give Casey a big snack.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Feb 3, 2010 9:26 AM EST reply actions  

I knew I had read that before

Good look on Moore 50. Also, I’d be curious to see what Peyton would be like with a different OC. He’d probably be just as damn good.

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by John Stephens on Feb 3, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Seriously....

Pey-Pey is the OC. It doesn’t matter who they NAME OC, it’s still Manning.

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 3, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

if that was true

why keep Moore as a “consultant” after he retires then?

by klompus on Feb 3, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Because they still have to plan for

TAM, Team After Manning.

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 4, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m gonna give the guy some credit, he worked with Peyton from day 1 and built the offense around him, letting his strengths show better than others would. I don’t think Peyton would be as good as he is if Mike Martz or Bruce Arians were his OC.

Obviously it takes great players to be great, but you can’t just write off the coaches either.

by Phantaskippy on Feb 3, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The Belly and the Chin

Yeah, I still hold some hope that Snack will stick around, but it’s becoming more and more hazy.

I’m a Bill Cowher fan and I plan to root for whatever team he coaches (unless its a division rival). I doubt he’d take NYG or at least will wait to see what happens to Fox in Carolina before he does. Tampa Bay is also a potential destination bantered around.

Just not the Browns…please…

by 13thieves on Feb 3, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think even The Chin could help that ball club...

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 4, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of Carolina, I think management should call up Peppers and be like, You’ve already made enough money for your grandkids grandkids, sign a reasonable contract here, join Harrison, Woodley, and Timmons in the 3-4, and enjoy the at least 1 more superbowl the Steel is likely to win in the next couple of years. Dude would be a monster in Black and Gold after Lebeau’s boot camp. Having said that, I know it won’t happen.

by Hanrahanfan on Feb 3, 2010 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

Don't want the guy

I live in NC so i hear panther talk all the time, dude got paid 17 mil this year and still didn’t give 100%, what makes you think he wants to sign a reasonable contract and give 100%?

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 3, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

That irks me because it always irked Noll. People called him Chuck Knox. A recent post on Noll at BTSC called him Chuck Knoll. That drove me beserk. I actually sent an email to BTSC and asked that they edit the article. Totally anal I know but if it bothers the Emperor it bothers me.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Feb 3, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed...

The constant mispellings and mispronounciations of Chuck Noll’s name are beyond agitating. This is the only coach who won four Super Bowls and you can’t remember his name?! What kinda freaking reporter are you?!

by docsteeler on Feb 3, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m assuming Blitz copied the quote straight, and it was not his error. He forgot to link the article so I linked one I found on BR, but it doesn’t have that quote.

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by John Stephens on Feb 3, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

yes i put that quote there

To highlight the stupidity of BR

Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)

by Michael Bean on Feb 3, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the warning

Sound like something I can not read ever

by Twell on Feb 3, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The main reason I wouldn’t want to draft Tebow is that we’re going to have to listen to all the hype and speculation of how we’re going to use him. That and there are still useful players in the 3rd or 4th round. I think Jacksonville is more likely to take him in the 3rd or 4th round.

I’ve said this elsewhere, but Hampton is not doing what Faneca did. The tag would be a slap in the face because Art Rooney II told him he wouldn’t do it. If Hampton had been bitching for 15 months about how he was in the last year of his contract and how he didn’t know if he was going to be able to feed his kids on $6M/yr instead of $7M/year, and then he mailed it in all year because he had a new coach and OL coach, then he’d be Alan Faneca.

Hampton has been graciously quiet on this issue until the past month, and even then he’s spoken very quietly and calmly. He doesn’t sound pissed. He’s not saying things like “yeah, there pretty much hasn’t been any discussion to speak of”. He may leave, but I still think he has a better chance of signing than not.

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by BadMaafala on Feb 3, 2010 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

Thank you...
If Hampton had been bitching for 15 months about how he was in the last year of his contract and how he didn’t know if he was going to be able to feed his kids on $6M/yr instead of $7M/year, and then he mailed it in all year because he had a new coach and OL coach, then he’d be Alan Faneca.

I loved 66 while he was here, but the nostalgia of his time spent here causes most people to overlook the fact he left in a less than ammicable way. I read somewhere he not only didn’t care about playing the new coaches way, but he told others to be the same way. I hope that isn’t totally accurate, but I haven’t heard anything to the contrary.

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 3, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Faneca was a die hard Cowher guy, and wanted Grimm for the coach, he was seriously ticked when Tomlin took over. He was a cancer that last season.

by Phantaskippy on Feb 3, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Main reason

We don’t need QBs, TEs, WRs, we don’t use FBs….what else does Tebow do to even entertain this?

by Twell on Feb 3, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Put him at safety

Apparently that might be an option according to one of the other brilliant commenters on the article.

by barnerburner on Feb 4, 2010 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

man

dude must have had 2 bottles of everclear when he said that one because Safety? serious, that has to be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard, TE I can get, FB I can get, but Safety?

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 4, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Donovan Woods...

Steelers linebacker, college quarterback. It’s not totally unheard of, but it is highly unlikely.

"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 4, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Woods and did not know that. Cool info. Did you see him play?

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Feb 4, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately no, I did not...

I remembered reading it in one of Blitz’s posts when they brought him up off of the practice squad midseason-ish.

"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 4, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I said before, it is highly unlikely...

But that too has precedence (sort of) in the modern era of te NFL (back in the day, I’m sure it happened fairly regularly).

Eric Crouch (I hate to use wiki anything as a reference, but I did) was an option QB at Nebraska. Much like Tebow he was an extremely talented player in an offense which “did not translate to the NFL”. He even won the Heisman, like Tebow. Now Crouch really did not have a lot of success in the NFL (none to be exact), but making a college QB a safety in the NFL is not impossible. Tebow has the size, strength, football smarts, and want to succeed. However, in my opinion, he lacks the foot speed and agility of an NFL calibre safety. I look at Tebow and I see a fullback/ H-back type player personally. All it takes is a coach that wants to work with him at any position and shows patience and allows him to learn a role. He’s a football player, period.

"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 4, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Quick Tom Moore story

When I was in 6th grade a friend and I went to the Offense-Defense football camp at the University of Fairfield in Connecticut. There were a bunch of pros there serving as counselors — Dave Casper, the TE from the Raiders, an Eagles LB named Jerry Robinson, Mike Haynes, the great defensive back, Ron Yary, the big lineman from Minnesota, and Franco Harris. It was great practicing with these guys as our “coaches.” The moment I remember most, though, was an interaction I had with Tom Moore. It was after dinner one night and a bunch of us were just goofing around in the parking lot playing some 7-on-7 touch. Tom Moore — I didn’t have any idea who he was at the time — came walking out of the cafeteria and passed us. He watched for a minute, and then when we huddled up he ducked his head in and said to the kid who was playing QB for us, “Throw a post route. They’re playing you without a safety.” Sure enough, when we broke the huddle there was no safety in the middle of the field and our QB hit one of our guys in stride for a touchdown. I don’t remember thanking Moore or speaking with him afterwards, but at meetings that night my friend pointed him out to Jerry Robinson and asked who he was. Robinson said, “That’s the wide receivers coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. He just won two Super Bowls, man.” So I guess whether it’s a parking lot or the NFL Tom Moore knows how to light up a defense…

Golf is a contact sport. Football is a collision sport.

by cliff harris is still a punk! on Feb 3, 2010 10:47 AM EST reply actions  

That’s a pretty sweet story. I wonder if Tom Moore knows how to beat man coverage.

And a sweet avatar, btw. The dude abides.

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by BadMaafala on Feb 3, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Indeed he does...

Golf is a contact sport. Football is a collision sport.

by cliff harris is still a punk! on Feb 3, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

P.S. -- like your's too, Maafala

Bansky’s pretty brilliant. I used to teach a sociology course and we did a big lesson on the meanings of graffitti, street art, tagging, that sort of stuff. The students always loved Bansky’s work. Good stuff…

Golf is a contact sport. Football is a collision sport.

by cliff harris is still a punk! on Feb 3, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Is that Jeff Bridges from his new movie? He plays a C&W singer maybe?

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Feb 3, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

No, you’re mixing up Jeff Bridges with The Dude.

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by BadMaafala on Feb 3, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Big Lebowski

Favorite Directors-

Cohen Brothers
Stanley Kubrick
Wes Anderson
Terry Gilliam
Clint

by Twell on Feb 3, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Love the Coen Brothers.

I think “Ladykillers” is a really underrated movie. I also love Christopher Guest – “This is Spinal Tap” is way up there in my list of favorite movies.

What do you know – here we are, threadjacking again. At least this time Johnny and Arn are innocent…

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 3, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

on all points

;)

by Twell on Feb 3, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not a big fan of the Ladykillers. I didn’t hate it, I thought parts were pretty funny, but sub-par for the Coens. I’d bet if you took off the “Coen” name critics would have gone a lot easier on it.

That’s okay, though. They have plenty of other great movies to make up for it. I think No Country for Old Men might be the best movie ever made. Right up there anyway.

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by BadMaafala on Feb 3, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

No Country for Old Men

by Twell on Feb 4, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Never realized that was a Banksy pic BadMaafala...

But I never looked that close either. Very nice.

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 3, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

OMG that part about Porter made me excited as all hell

I’ve been saying for a while that we should Joey back. Maybe one more mediocre year at MIA, we can pick him back up for the cheap. Tell him that he can make up the difference in pay by pawning all the SB rings he’ll be getting.

We increased our offensive production by 1,000 yards but our points by only 3 touchdowns?
-Johnny_S
Who Dey?
JETS DEY!

by svenhoek on Feb 3, 2010 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

Having Porter back would be cool

But, he wouldn’t get his wish in Pittsburgh either. He wants to be an every down LB. How does he get any playing time with Harrison and Woodley on the egdes? Can Porter play ILB? Still, maybe (MAYBE) Timmons takes over for Farrior, Porter assumes Timmons role and Farrior backs them both up? Hmmm.

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Feb 3, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

That's how I do it in Madden...

Scary good D.

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 3, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll bet

But, can or would Porter play ILB? ILB is more of a run stopping, pass pro position. Porter wants to get after the QB. Also, I seem to remember Porter being a bit of a liability in pass pro in his first year with the fins.

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Feb 3, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

talk about a coaching tree...

it never got weird enough for me

by JerseyFresh on Feb 3, 2010 12:52 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

The Emperor Charles Henry Noll & His Disciples

+1 on picture Jersey. You and Springsteen ROCK.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Feb 3, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Those are some epic shorts there.

by Phantaskippy on Feb 3, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I too, live in NC. Agreed Peppers wasn’t worth the money last season, but he wasn"t shy about wanting out of Charlotte last offseason and they tagged him anyway. You give that guy something to play for, Like a ring, and he’d be out there tearing heads off of shoulders.

by Hanrahanfan on Feb 3, 2010 1:54 PM EST reply actions  

Very disturbed about the Hamptom issue

The whole NFL compensation system is a delicate balance between players and clubs, tweaked and re-negotiated through the years. There are poison pills on both sides, etc. The Franchise Tags are important tools that the Steelers should have at their disposal. The Hampton situation is a perfect time to use it. If Art II did tell Hamp that he was not going to get tagged, then we are not deploying a tool that was meant to be used in these situations. If that is not true, and Hamp is squeezing and guilting the Steelers into not using the tag, then I am disappointed in that. He should be tagged according to the rules of the game without reservations, and then they can talk about spreading it out over three years. One way or the other, I am disappointed in this whole situation. If players are going squeeze the clubs about franchise and transition tags, then the clubs should give them back at the bargaining table and get something else that they don’t have to feel guilty about.

Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history

by maryrose on Feb 3, 2010 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

I've been very disturbed, too

and I just don’t see him coming back. Someone is going to throw a boat load of money at him. Isn’t Washington planning to switch to a 3-4? Adios Snack. Snyder will hurl gobs of cash at him on the first day of FA (or before cough Haynesworth cough).

I’ve always liked Casey and will miss him tremendously, but, I don’t blame him either, really. He has 2 rings so why not grab as much cash as he can for his final contract? Enough so that he never has to work another day in his life if he so chooses and never have to worry about the inevitable medical bills and the like. It also gives him potential to bring greatness to a second squad.

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Feb 3, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Arbitration in baseball (very similar to tags in football) is a legitimate part of the CBA, but players and teams try to avoid it if they can because it’s not a pleasant experience. I don’t think using the franchise tag on a regular basis is a good idea for a team because it does screw over players, particularly older ones in Hampton’s and (if he hadn’t signed a deal) James Harrison’s shoes. Player morale is important. However, taking it off the table completely probably isn’t a good idea either because the threat of doing something that’s unpleasant for both sides can help get compromises done.

On one hand, Art is doing Hampton a personal favor, which doesn’t seem like it’s going to help resign Hampton. On the other hand, the congenial relationship between ownership and the players is part of the reason that we were able to sign a guy like Troy to a well below market deal. Especially considering there’s a new Rooney doing most of the dealings now, this negotiation may have some impact on how the upcoming negotiations with a lot of the younger players (Woodley, Holmes, etc) will go.

Ultimately, I don’t think it’s a very big deal. This is the way the Steelers have always done business: shrewdly, but graciously. I mean we made Joey Porter a free agent a year early because we knew we weren’t going to pay him. And we didn’t have a proven starter behind him either. If telling Hampton that he won’t be tagged kept him happy this past year, then it was worth it. If following through on that promise keeps the team and the more important younger players happy, then that would be worth it. I’d rather have him, but we can live without him.

In a year in which the Colts and Saints are playing in the Super Bowl, in a time where the trends point more and more to passing, I don’t know how many teams are going to make signing an aging 2-down run stuffing nose tackle their big free agency splash. If we give him a competitive offer that isn’t far surpassed by another team, I think we’ll see him back. We’ll see.

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by BadMaafala on Feb 3, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent points.

Basically, I don’t think it can be that good for the team to keep someone on that is pissed off. I’d rather take our chances in the draft than have an unhappy player. As a choral director I learned years ago that if somebody says “I’m thinking of moving on” you thank them for what they have brought to the group and wish them well. If you persuade them to stay on when they aren’t really committed, they feel they’ve done you a favor, and that ultimately messes with the “locker room.” I’d rather have someone not quite as good who is excited to be there.

 Admittedly, I’m not proposing to pay anyone millions of dollars, but everything is relative. Man, I wish I could, though! My choir would REALLY kick butt – at least until they got used to being paid obscene amounts of money, and then the whining would start.

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 3, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Which brings up an interesting question. Do you like luxury?

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by BadMaafala on Feb 3, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Since you're determined to know the answer to that

check out my fanpost where it makes more sense…

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 3, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/04/04sspy.phtml

"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 3, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Integrity goes a long way
following through on that promise

It breeds loyalty, amicability, and mutual respect

Only good things follow those virtues

by Twell on Feb 4, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+100

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 4, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

The Tebow article

I laughed at the part where he said that Tebow could be a huge weapon in Bruce Arians offense. Lol. Just as big of a weapon as Dennis Dixon was? What could Tebow do with Arians’ crappy play calling? Any thoughts?

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Feb 3, 2010 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

Tight end. Duh.

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by BadMaafala on Feb 3, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Bingo

I wonder if he can block or catch though? They might be important tools for a TE. I gotta say, I would be excited to see Tebow as a Steeler but not picked any higher than 4th. Highly unlikely he lasts that long.

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Feb 3, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Blocking and catching are not prerequisites to being a part of the A(rians)-11 TE offense. I mean look at Matt Spaeth.

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by BadMaafala on Feb 3, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn't it be the A-10?

We still need a quarterback.

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 3, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Not if one of your TEs

is a QB

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Feb 3, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

u just blew my mind

by shleeve on Feb 3, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Should we really be putting out this information

in public? We don’t really want the other teams to have a head start on next year’s offense…

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 3, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Our new line coach turns TE’s into O-lineman, RB is really the only position we need to find. . . actually scratch that, we can always go 5 wide.

by Phantaskippy on Feb 3, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Ariens on the run more offense:

Ben, I have designed new plays around a 25 step drop. It gives receivers time to get open, and will tire out the pass rushers. You may need to run around a little more, as there won’t really be any pocket whatsoever. Should be highly effective on third and short.

Took my first ride on a mountain bike through a trail in the woods the other day, sheer fun! Do yourself a favor, try it!

by alfresco on Feb 4, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

lmao

The very existence of flamethrowers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."
-George Carlin

by Cdsumm on Feb 4, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

VERY nice!

I like it. And I would love to be there at the first practice…

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 4, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

James Harrison is practicing as the snapper, no need to drop back at all.

by Phantaskippy on Feb 5, 2010 3:05 AM EST up reply actions  

And Ben would be much safer

lining up in the stands. That way the pass rushers would have to get not just through the Oline but through a bunch of crazed fans…

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 6, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, and

To answer your question seriously, Tebow would run the read option 1 time against your defense, score a 30 yard touchdown, then never run that play again. He would then chuck the ball into zone coverage 20 times when it’s obvious he has no business doing so.

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by BadMaafala on Feb 3, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I could see 2 Tebow fumbles against us.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Feb 3, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

No, you’re thinking of Joe Flacco. Maybe the “F” is for “fumble”. Still, he didn’t fumble in this game.

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by BadMaafala on Feb 4, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't you know?

Tebow is part of a package pick, called old school playground style. Whoever picks Tebow gets Jesus too.

That’s why Kurt Warner retired, he found out Jesus was going to go play with Tebow.

by Phantaskippy on Feb 3, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody f**ks with the Jesus!

Golf is a contact sport. Football is a collision sport.

by cliff harris is still a punk! on Feb 4, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

since it was fresh on all our minds

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by BadMaafala on Feb 4, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

and our carpets

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 4, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

It really tied the room together.

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by BadMaafala on Feb 4, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

The chatroom, you mean...

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 6, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Tebow? Please No

Drafting Tim Tebow would be a ridiculously poor decision for the Steelers. Look at our main needs: Offensive lineman, DB, possibly NT if we lose Hampton. And, about losing Hampton: I really hope we re-sign him, at least for another year or two. Top level NT’s are very hard to come by, there just aren’t that many of them – and it is the essential position for a 3-4 defense. You just don’t replace that in a draft that easily – and even if you do draft the guy that can get it done – you’re probably looking at 2 years before he’s really ready to take over. And it would probably cost us the #1 pick, to get a really good one – which means, no #1 lineman, no shutdown corner, top level safety, in all likelihood. We need to put this off for at least another year.

by Vegetable on Feb 3, 2010 10:11 PM EST reply actions  

Tebow can play NT. He played NT on offense once. It was the only way to stop himself from scoring on the goal line.

by Phantaskippy on Feb 3, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Tebow does it the other way around, just in case any under age kids are tempted to go down the wrong path.

by Phantaskippy on Feb 4, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Or at least those who haven’t yet been lucky enough to be one of his patients.

by barnerburner on Feb 4, 2010 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

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by BadMaafala on Feb 4, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

lol
He got his hands a little wet in surgery

In more ways than one.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 4, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

interesting point

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by Michael Bean on Feb 4, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Great point

rec

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by John Stephens on Feb 4, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Fans

want it both ways

they want to be able to praise the guy all his life and expect him to be humble, they wanna let the guy slide and give him exceptions all their life and expect him to play by the rules, they wanna buy all the products, go to the games, spend money on season tickets but hate when players make so much money, they want to watch the sport and not understand the business, they wan’t to have these guys as role models yet don’t know who they are, and as you put it they want a guy to play for the love of the game and shut up when they get paid. Well if you love the game, getting paid doesn’t matter when you’re on the bench or when you feel like you’re getting hosed.

Fans live in a fantasy world because their fanatic state won’t let them see reality and the contrary of their ways. Unfortunately this fanatic state is what cause them to spend so much money so the sport world encourages it so they can make more money.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 4, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, that’s why I try as hard as possible to ignore the business side of it. I’m a high school coach and I have the privilege of working with kids who just love playing and who don’t think twice about what it would be like to get paid to do it. Friday nights in the fall are the biggest thing in most of their lives, and they really play their hearts out simply because they love it so much. They’re 16 and 17 years old and they don’t know much about contract negotiations or market value or PSL’s or the salary cap or the difference between a restricted and an unrestricted free agent. They don’t think about what it’s like to be 45 years old and to have had a half a dozen concussions and twice that many surgeries and to wake up each morning knowing that the pain killers are just about the only things that are going to get them through the day. It’s naive of me or of anyone to not think about those things but I try, anyway, because I love the game. I love the adrenelin and I love the schemes and I love the work ethic and the camaraderie and the sense of accomplishment when it all goes well. The business end of it just depresses me. So although I’ll be bummed if Casey Hampton leaves or if we get outbid for a free agent who might have helped us, I try not to worry about that end of it. 50 kids will show up in our weight room today wanting to get better now for next fall. That reminds me what it’s really about.

Oh, and if Joey Porter still has some of that 16 year-old kid left in him, good for him. I don’t blame him for wanting to play every snap he can. If he’s like the 16 year-olds I know, he’ll do everything he can to keep playing the game he loves.

Golf is a contact sport. Football is a collision sport.

by cliff harris is still a punk! on Feb 4, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

funny though

I don’t blame him for wanting to play every snap he can. If he’s like the 16 year-olds I know, he’ll do everything he can to keep playing the game he loves.

Favre is that 16 year old. He absolutely is a competitor. You get the sense he’d even go all out in a game of checkers. He may very well end up being forced into retirement someday.

by SteelersVT on Feb 4, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Sport is going down a dangerous path

You guys think the NFL is bad now just wait until midway through this decade. I bet high school football players will be as popular as NFL Pro bowlers.

by StoneColdSteel on Feb 4, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, you're right about that

All of the ESPN garbage with rating the top high school prospects is skewing some kids’ ideas about things. There is a creeping sense of selfishness that has come from that. We just had a kid get a full ride to New Hampshire and in the paper they mentioned how he was ESPN’s 44th rated defensive end prospect nationally. How the hell does ESPN justify rating him the 44th best defensive end prospect in the country? That’s ridiculous. They can’t possibly evaluate such a thing with any sense of accuracy, nor should they even try. But all of the kids at school pay attention to it. They all check the websites to see where this kid or that kid is “rated” and they talk about individual high school stats the way guys who play NFL fantasy do. So I agree. High school still represents the most pure form of the game but the media influence, and the skewed sense of self that goes with it, is working it’s way in…

Golf is a contact sport. Football is a collision sport.

by cliff harris is still a punk! on Feb 4, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

USC got a verbal commitment...

From a 13 year old from Delaware yesterday. No joke.

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-Arthur Ashe

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 5, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

That

should be illegal.

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 6, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Kiffin has no scruples.

When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!

by 1BlkGldFan on Feb 6, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Big Snack, TAg and bag him

Tag Hampton and let him seek out a trade for draft picks. Tampa & KC have two 2nd rounders. I want Tampa’s but kc will do. Also Look at Buffalo they’re rumored to want him,switch 1st rounders and take their second that would put you closer to Joe Haden or Eric Berry if they slips and Rolando Mclain.

by jollyrob68 on Feb 4, 2010 7:52 PM EST reply actions  

I remember

I was just a few years out of college when Tom Moore first became a Steeler coach and I always though he did a good job as OC. A lot better than BA anyway. But I’m afraid I completely missed the Chuck Nolan era.

As for Cowher, I still don’t like that he walked away from Pittsburgh, his own hometown, where he could have coached the Steelers forever. If he comes back to coach elsewhere, I wish him a short and unsuccessful stint with a team that pays him way more than he’s worth. Can you tell I’m bitter?

And I guess we’ll see how much class Big Snack has. There’s something to be said for staying in a Steeler uniform your whole career. And there’s a lot to be said for not saying anything before or during contract negotiations. Casey’s a great player but nobody is irreplaceable—and not many teams want a nose tackle who’s old, overweight and expensive. Casey should cool it; he’s starting to sound like Joey Porter.

by Billy52 on Feb 5, 2010 12:40 AM EST reply actions  

So sad that it's so popular to bag on Tebow

if the guy falls to the third he’s a steel: hands down.

He’ll succeed in any role he’s put in.

Better a player like Tebow who is as near a “garauntee” as any draftee can be than some iffy type with better measureables IMO.

No doubt the Tebow-haters will jump in ad hominem in 3…2..1

by tobiathan on Feb 8, 2010 8:21 PM EST reply actions  

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