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I've decided that since it's the offseason, and not much else is going on at the moment, I can afford to post a discussion piece with a touch of statistical analysis.  Threadjack, comment, bicker, love, hate, do whatever, but just make sure you drink and be merry or you're not allowed in my topic :)

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First thing's first: Thoughts on the Super Bowl 

 

I understand that it's your first season Caldwell, and you're on the big stage, and we all really know that Peyton coaches this team, but you looked damned lost on the sidelines Sunday

 

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 Jim Caldwell seemed to give his best impression of Wade Phillips the entire game.  Maybe my observation is off base, but every time I saw his mug come up on the TV, he looked like he wasn't sure where he was at.  Sean Payton looked like he had been there a million times and he had been watching hours of film of Tomlin on the sidelines.  He calls a fourth a goal run that they just ran on third and goal and the guy looks like it's business as usual.  For reference, a picture of Payton on the sideline

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 I was watching the game with a few people from my dorm floor, so naturally you're going to have a mixed bag of true NFL fans and people who think they understand whats going on, aka the people that say every call against Peyton Manning was the NFLs way of making sure New Orleans won the game.  I say this with such conviction that I do not even consider it opinion: The refs had nothing to do with the win, and anyone who says anything otherwise lacks a simple understanding of football and the rules it employs.  If I remember correctly, there were 3 flags on each team, one including an unnecessary roughness call AGAINST the Saints that put Manning and his boys at first and goal.  Despite the overall lack of flags in the game, especially ones that helped the Saints "win one for Katrina," I had to listen during the entire game about how the NFL doesn't want Peyton to win and this that and the other.  Pardon my french, but the notion is utter bullsh*t.

 

In my opinion, this game solidifies Peyton Manning as a choke artist in any big game.  As it stands, his playoff record is 9-9 and his rating over those 18 games is 87.  On top of that, the year he did actually win the big game (2006 vs the Bears for those of you that forgot that snorefest of a SB game), He put up Joe Flacco-esque playoff numbers, including a 39.6 against Baltimore and not going over 80 until he faced the Bears in the SB.  It is my personal opinion that nearly any team in the AFC playoffs could have beaten the Bears that year with Rex Grossman at the helm, and even then, Peyton Manning passed for a very pedestrian 247 yards with 1 pick and 1 touchdown.  He got the MVP despite Joseph Addai/Dominic Rhodes and the Defense carrying that team to the win.  In that game, Addai had 19 carries for 77 yards while hauling in 10 catches for 66 yards as well.  He complimented Dominic Rhodes, who had 21 carries for 113 yards.  That means in a game where Peyton Manning had a defense hold the other team to 10 (Hester returned the opening kickoff for an easy 7), and had 190 yards rushing keeping the blitz off of him, he only managed 247 yards and 1 TD.  I'm as aware as anyone that these numbers are not so horrible, but when you compare them to his gaudy regular season statistics and prowess, it makes the numbers seem even more paltry.  You can take this to the bank or debate it as much as you want, but I believe that Peyton Manning does not get another SB win as long as he plays.  He can hear the clock ticking on his career, and when he heard the clock ticking on Sunday, he couldn't stand up to the pressure.

 

 The Team of the Decade Debate:

Since the Colts lost this last Sunday, I'm only going to include the my takes on the Steelers and the Patriots, as I think only teams that have won multiple Lombardis in the past 10 years should qualify for the debate.  The numbers speak for themselves, the Patriots have a 70% winning percentage from 2000-2009 versus the Steelers 64% winning percentage from 2000-2009.  This does not include playoff games, but instead regular season only.  Both teams have 6 playoff appearances, with the main difference being the Pats 3 trophies to our 2.  The cold, hard numbers say the Pats are the team of the decade, but I beg to differ.

Fact:  The Patriots have failed at bringing home a title since being busted for extensive cheating by the NFL.

Fact:  The Patriots were failing at bringing home titles since 04, 3 years prior to getting busted for cheating, making them amazing the first half of the decade and really only unstoppable one year since 04.

I don't think that any team busted for cheating to such a severe degree as the Patriots should be even considered for a team of the decade unofficial title and I believe their entire "dynasty" should be questioned.

And on a more personal note, I just hate the infantile view Bill and Tom Brady take on the league.  Bill gets busted for being a cheating bastard in 07 and his response is to run up the score on much lesser teams because his passive aggressive ego has been stomped on.  This has less to do with the debate on how sportsmanlike it is to run up the score and more to do with the fact that it was done to appease a bruised ego that was exposed as much as those spygate tapes.  Both Bill and Tom are complete and utter children.  Plaxico Burress has the faith in his team to suggest the Patriots only score 17 points against the Giants defense and instead of a decent response, Tom Terrific goes on TV and laughs his butt-chinned ass off.

 

 
 

Tom Brady Scoffs at 17 Points (via tomsmike84)

 

 To this day whenever I get a little sad, I just watch this video and my day is better.  This my friends, is legit grounds for sports hate.  The only thing better than watching Strahan and Tuck murder the Patriots O-line and holding the vaunted Pats to 14 points would have been watching Casey Hampton eat up that line.

It's wonderfully colored with personal bias and childish immaturity only matched by Tom Brady, but I don't think they should be considered for team of the decade just because of that pompous jackassery that is in the video above.

 

Tim Tebow:

 

Tim Tebow has many a fan, and frankly, I'm not one of them.  You're religious Tim, we get it, and that's wonderful for you, but you rival only Kurt Warner in self righteousness.  I'm tired of the "God wanted and chose me to win today" mentality.  Sure, thank God for letting you play, but its arrogant as hell (play on words?) to suggest that God really cares about a football game you're playing in.  And of course, your amazing work in the Phillipines where you work on cutting penises because the Lord tells you to do so.

Thats not even considering the fact that I can't go a single day without someone telling me that Tebow is going to go in the first round or the early second and that he will have an immediate impact for some team.  "But he's a football player with great instincts and that drive to win!" you might say.  Well, I say "He can't take a snap from under center... and he wants to play QB in the NFL."  I'm making a bet with a bunch of people on my dorm floor and that I know at school as to when Tim Tebow goes in the NFL draft and I'm guessing that I'm going to rake in the cash during late April.  The guy looks like he runs about a 4.7 or slower, and people are already saying he is going to switch to DB and dominate the game or turn into a punishing HB or TE.  First of all, do you think someone as self important as Tebow is going to allow himself to switch from QB?  Afterall, he is God's gift to football and if he's not playing QB, he just won't be touching the ball enough.  I don't want a DB that might get outran by some of his DLine teammates, and I don't want a HB that can get chased down from behind by a DLine player.

 

I think I'm about done for now... I feel like momma

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Jim Caldwell

My friends and I took bets on how many times Jim Caldwell blinked on camera…I think we got 5.

Tim Tebow I think could develop into a good NFL starter, he really is a terrific leader and emotional player that works harder than anyone. Will he be a first or high 2nd rd pick? absolutely not unless Al Davis buys into the hype, or Jax takes him because they need the ticket sales boost. I don’t know how likely that will be but those are the only scenarios I can see. If taken in the 4th or 5th round I think he would be an excellent investment

by Hpepperdog on Feb 8, 2010 5:47 PM EST reply actions  

Tebow to Patriots

I’ve seen a few mocks that have the Pats taking him in the 2nd round. I can’t believe it for a number of reasons the biggest being that Tim would drive Bill Billy crazy with his “don’t cheat” and “you shouldn’t say the dirty words, coach”.

by 13thieves on Feb 10, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe the Jets could take him

and he could help Rex Ryan with his finger action…

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 10, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Jet need

a vet back-up to help mentor Sanchez. Rex flips his finger fairly well without help.

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 10, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right about Rex.

I withdraw the suggestion…

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 10, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Round of applause to you buddy

Peyton Manning is the biggest choke artist. Overrated Colts team. The clock has rang and dropped on the floor for Peyton.
Team of the Decade is easy for us here. Pittsburgh Steelers. Patriots lost all their dignity and are not worthy of their team name.
Tim Tebow…yawn.. good luck to him. All those SEC defenders he tormented are in the NFL and waiting for payback. Tebow should be drafted in the 7th. I’m tired of hearing about him though. He also looks like my brother…hahaha

by PCISteeler on Feb 8, 2010 7:23 PM EST reply actions  

Tebow will be a decent starting QB

IF he gets the time and coaching, he has all the things that cannot be taught, just needs to learn the things he lacks. Probably a 2nd rounder.

"Every Day I walk past 6 Lombardi trophies not 6 rushing titles" - Greatest Tomlinism ever.

by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Feb 8, 2010 8:22 PM EST reply actions  

You can't fix that throwing motion

I like the guy too but you can’t make somebody into a good player based on them being a “good person”.

I bet Chris Weinke was an ok guy, but look how his career went.

And why can’t Colt McCoy be in the discussion? I guess the God that Tebow worships is better than the one that McCoy worships.

Coaching sure helped with Byron Leftwich’s throwing motion too.

by StoneColdSteel on Feb 8, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying it jsut because he is a Christian and all that

what I’m saying is he has the things that can’t be taught, Size, Leadership, Arm Strength, Drive, Self Belief, Clutch, Awareness. The things that need to be coached, i.e. Motion, Reads, Footwork, Accuracy can all improve.
A guy with his drive and self belief should be able to pick up those things given time and GOOD coaching.
Read this article, it summarises what I’m saying well.
formula for drafting QB’s

"Every Day I walk past 6 Lombardi trophies not 6 rushing titles" - Greatest Tomlinism ever.

by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Feb 8, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Byron Leftwich has every single one of those things

and yet his throwing motion still haunts him in the NFL. Seriously, this guy is a soldier. I watched a game one year (I think when he was still in college) where he broke or seriously injured both of his ankles and still played. Had his oline men carry him from down to down.

Throwing motion is very very important in NFL. Safeties and corners will catch that BS all day long

by klompus on Feb 8, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats where the good coaching comes in.

When has Lefty ever had a good QB coach to work with?
Set Tebow up with a QB coach who can work with him and he can be great.

I’m not saying this WILL happen just how I would play it as a GM (we can all dream)

"Every Day I walk past 6 Lombardi trophies not 6 rushing titles" - Greatest Tomlinism ever.

by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Feb 8, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure Tommy Frazier had those qualities too.

College ain’t the same as the pros. Ken Dorsey had 2 losses his whole career at Miami and he’s not even in the NFL anymore.

by StoneColdSteel on Feb 8, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

What? Tommy Frazier?

The only reason he went undrafted was because he had Crohns disease. Cmon man I know that and I was 3 at the time.
Dorsey never had the arm strength, pocket awareness and leadership Tebow has.

"Every Day I walk past 6 Lombardi trophies not 6 rushing titles" - Greatest Tomlinism ever.

by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Feb 8, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure I can

JOE FREAKIN MONTANA, Bill Walsh transformed an unheralded quarterback with a poor motion and a bad spiral and made him into a great

"Every Day I walk past 6 Lombardi trophies not 6 rushing titles" - Greatest Tomlinism ever.

by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Feb 8, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

He wasn't as a QB coach

as a HC yes but not as a QB coach, Reich from Indy, Greg Knapp in Houston? There are guys out there who are good enough to transform Tebow.

"Every Day I walk past 6 Lombardi trophies not 6 rushing titles" - Greatest Tomlinism ever.

by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Feb 8, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Phillip Rivers had a "horible throwing motion"

coming out of college per the sports media.

He’s done OK.

Big Ben was said to have an “awkward and too-longish” throwing motion to succeed in the NFL. He turned out OK too.

A lot of QBs get bad press coming out college but turn into #1 quality guys.

And it’s a sad, sad world when believing in God and praising His Name is a bad thing IMHO….

by tobiathan on Feb 8, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

You're welcome to your opinion

just as this thread is mine. Don’t let the cynic in me define what everyone in the world thinks is wrong or right

by klompus on Feb 8, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

There's nothing wrong with faith in something

However there is something wrong when a guy gets way more publicity than most NFL players. You can thank those dumb rednecks in SEC country for that.

Gerald McCoy, who is of Christian faith, gets no pub despite being a better prospect than Tebow.

And who was the last spread option college QB that was good in the league? Grab a snickers because it’ll take you a while.

by StoneColdSteel on Feb 9, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Its not that it is a bad thing, its that he is pushing his religion in everyone’s face. Not everyone is christian, so not everyone wants to hear him rant on about it.

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by John Stephens on Feb 10, 2010 8:03 AM EST up reply actions  

It's like those cat people

always trying to tell you how much their cat is “like a dog”

"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.

by kick him in the head on Feb 10, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

or how they're "little humans"...

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 10, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Cat people

can’t hold a candle to dog people when it comes to anthropomorphizing them. Just sayin’.

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 10, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Tell me about it!

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Feb 10, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Especially those ones with the little yappy dogs...

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 10, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

When’s the last time you saw someone carrying a cat around in a purse – or dressing them in a little coat?

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 10, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I wanna stab people that do that

Seriously, have a child if you want to baby a creature like that…

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 10, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you really just use Paris Hilton in your argument?

Sorry Momma, that is a fail. That idiot doesn’t make up the average dog owner.

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by John Stephens on Feb 10, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Paris Hilton

is not the only dog owner that does that. Just the most annoying one.

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 10, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

The majority

Are stupid ditzy girls who do not constitute the general public of dog owners.

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by John Stephens on Feb 10, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

So what you're saying is...

I shouldn’t try and stuff my chocolate lab into my old hockey bag every time I leave the house?

Huh? Well, at least I don’t have to lug that bitch around anymore.

"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 10, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

ha

that’s badass

"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.

by kick him in the head on Feb 12, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Ehhh I disagree

But its cat person vs. dog person here

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by John Stephens on Feb 10, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

kinda funny (to me)

my initial comment on this was to compare people that push religion on you to the cat people, and lessen the relious direction of the thread. That being said, dog people rock. Cat people are fine, just don’t rationalize your cat being so: smart, cool, or whatever else…by saying it’s “like a dog”.

"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.

by kick him in the head on Feb 10, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

really?

must depend on how you cook them.

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 10, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Throwing motions!

Phillip Rivers STILL has a terrible throwing motion! Bernie Kosar threw like Kente Kulve!!! Vince Young’s’ throwing motion needs to be thrown out! Previously stated Joe Montana had a terrible throwing motion! Do I need go on?

The point isn’t JUST Tebows throwing motion, it’s the slow delivery that will kill him in the NoFunLeague! But for him, it will be NotForLong, at least as a wannabe QB!

Praising GOD isn’t a bad thing either, but every time a camera is on you is for Rick Warren, Creflo Doller, Joel Osteen, T.D.Jakes, Stanley Charles,Jamal Bryant, Pat Robertson,etc., etc.! Get my point, & how about the diversity! LOL!

Last thing I believe to be a fact: Tebow won’t be on a team super stacked compared to most other teams, & his head first style of running in the NFL isn’t wise at all.

"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."

by Chise67 on Feb 10, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

commentin on Tebow's faith

how about Polamalu? He is a very faithful person. I was watching Americas Game when they interviewed him and he mentions being religious. I know Tebow is religious but I think Tebow is a little outspoken with it

by PCISteeler on Feb 10, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

There are actually plenty of footballers

that are deeply religious. Don’t believe me? Watch the players on the sidelines before the games. A lot of them will cross themselves, but you won’t hear them touting their faith to a national audience.

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 10, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the difference

If you talk too much of it, people get tired of it, it seems preachy.
But for some, if you already have an adverse reaction to god talk, then it doesn’t matter what someone says, its too much.

by Twell on Feb 10, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I, for one, have no problem talking religion

as I have pretty extensive knowledge on the subject. The “Blind Faith” bible thumpers get on my nerves so badly, I tend to ask them questions they can’t answer.

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 10, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

B.A. in Rel. Studies here

by Twell on Feb 10, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe that's why they call it faith

There’s technically no evidence of God, but yet most of us believe in him.

by StoneColdSteel on Feb 10, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

The one named Yaweh

later called Iehova, later called “I Am”.

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 10, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Hehe

Like I said, I am quite knowledgeable on the subject.

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 11, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Just out of curiousity

what are those questions….

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 11, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll only do a couple for now.

It literally cannot rain enough in 40 days and 40 nights to cover the earth with a flood. How does it rain? The sun evaporates water, that turns into clouds, which dump rain (not exactly scientific, but but I don’t care). Where then, did all that rainwater come from?

If dinosaurs were supposedly here hundreds of millions of years before man, why is there no mention of them in the bible? We have physical evidence dinosaurs existed, why then does the bible not talk about them?

Where are the accounts of the Pharaoh from when Moses freed the jews? Sure, you don’t like to make your failures known, but SOMEthing should have survived. A momentous occasion such as that would have been documented somewhere, don’t you think? Well, if it happened, where is it?

Why did it take 800 years after the death of jebus to put the bible (Latin for “book”, BTW) into one concise book?

Like I said, just a couple. :)

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 11, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Christ isn’t even really a name, it’s more of a title, “the anointed” is what it means IIRC.

There are over 15 well known historians from the time Christ was supposed to have walked the Earth. Despite doing nothing but produce miracles his entire life, not a single one of them wrote a single thing about them. The most famous known account of Christ is a proven forgery

by klompus on Feb 11, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Really

and where did you get this info from?

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 12, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Well

I kno there are many questions but heres what I think.
1. As far as the flood goes, it rains for 40 days all the time in Seattle, jk. but discovery channel did a special on this and provided evidence that suggest that there was a great flood, i don’t know the details I’d have to look it up.
2. No mention of dinosaurs in the bible? Try Job 40
3. Well I’m not sure, haven’t studied that. But we do know they were slaves, as far as Pharaoh was concerned surely a proud man such as he would document how he was somehow overthrown by his own ‘adopted’ son carrying a stick…
4. Why? Maybe thats how long it took to find all the manuscripts so you could really have a reason to put them together, there are over 6,000 manuscripts of the Bible, I can imagine those would take a while to find without GPS. :)

Just my thoughts.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 12, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

The flood

I think it is much more likely the story of the flood referred to the flooding of the area now under the Black. It would have been an incredible event and would have remained in the stories all survivors who were afflicted.

Catacalysmic floods have occured in different parts of the world at different times. There is no geological evidence of a single all incompassing deluge.

I am not a biblical scholar so I could have this part wrong. Was it Abraham who spent time in Babylon? Who ever it was likely got much of Genesis from Babylon sources and beliefs.

I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 12, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Moses wrote

like the first 5 books of the bible..

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 12, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't you mean the Torah?

I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 12, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea

which includes genesis

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 12, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Theory now is that rapid pole shift destroys the earth every 26k to 62k years

There’s a lot of evidence to suggest that the poles, which sometimes shift thousands of miles in minutes (talk about earth coming to a stop and then rotating the other way) levels most mountains, floods most areas, reveals ground where there wasnt before, and so forth. Oh yeah, the next reversals due around dec 2012….

by SteelersVT on Feb 13, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I do love when there is a Thirty Sixth thousand year window for an event that will happen around December. . .

You know give or take 18,000 years.

by Phantaskippy on Feb 13, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I think ...

that it is the magnetic poles which shift, not the rotational poles but I could be wrong.

I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 16, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

They tried to change his throwing motion, but he couldn’t do it and get the same quality. Tebow will need to have time to sit if he’s going to fix problems like throwing motion, and he’s going to need attention from a good QB coach. Then you have to hope he can make the change, like starting pitchers some can and some can’t.

Tebow is a gamble at QB, high reward but not quick reward. I don’t think he’ll make it because the NFL doesn’t wait to develop QB’s. If he could sit like Bradshaw did he could be a great QB.

by Phantaskippy on Feb 10, 2010 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

CFL first?

Would he benefit if he could get on a CFL team that had a good QB coach? A year or two practice throwing on a bigger field might help.

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 10, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Tebow would greatly benefit from a minor league type arrangement. Sadly that doesn’t exist in the NFL. No way they would send him to the CFL or Arena league or anything like that.

by Phantaskippy on Feb 10, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

when has tebow been clutch?

correct me if im wrong but his two championships werent exactly close games and tebow blew the gama against bama this year to get into the BCS game.

by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 9, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

What arm strength?

I think one of his biggest criticisms is the lack of arm strength.

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by John Stephens on Feb 10, 2010 8:01 AM EST up reply actions  

His arm is strong

His accuracy and delivery has been criticized more. His delivery makes him inaccurate because it’s elongated. He rears back and brings the ball almost from his back and just kind of heaves it downfield.

People are letting their hearts talk instead of their minds talk when they talk about Tebow. It’s not going to work.

by StoneColdSteel on Feb 10, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you talking about me?

I am looking at it from strictly skill based. The amount of flops to successful QBs is very lopsided. And Tebow is already on the bad side of that ratio. The only argument pro-Tebow people have is that he is dedicated and is a winner. I’d bet money half of the QBs coming out of college would say the same thing. Who wouldn’t want to put in the effort to succeed on the biggest stage in sports?

Right now, I am not talking with my heart, I am simply agreeing with the pro scouts who saw his bad senior bowl and think he just doesn’t have it.

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by John Stephens on Feb 10, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

That is because he got a big pay day off the bat and told he was the best ever. Not to add the Raiders are probably the worst place for any player to try to develop.

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by John Stephens on Feb 10, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't talking about you

I was talking about all the people who believe he’ll be good just because he was a winner in college.

Archie Griffin won two Heisman’s at Ohio State and did squat in the league.

Chris Weinke was a part of three national championship teams at FSU and won a Heisman. When was the last time you heard anything about him?

The only reason people want him to succeed is because of who he is as a person. That’s it.

by StoneColdSteel on Feb 10, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice name drops

I agree 100%

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by John Stephens on Feb 12, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

good thread, klompus...

I’m with you on one; not so much on another.

Bad news first. As much as i’m tied into the Pittsburgh Steelers, as much as I catalogue my life by Pittsburgh Steeler football, as much as I despise the New England Patriots….Team of the Decade? My mantra for living in New England is 6>3, but by the same token, on this one, it’s 3>2. End of story. Nothing else matters.

Now the good news. Pey-in. Ever notice how a ton of young people, my kids included, don’t pronounce their t’s. They say “mi-in” for the thing you wear on your hand when it’s cold, and the QB of the Colts is “Pey-in”

Anyway, let’s looks at this doofus’s playoff history….some highlights on the road to 9-9.
*Gets his ass shutout, 41-0, in the Meadowland in ‘02
*Throws 4 picks v. Pats in ’03 AFCCG
*Puts a whole 3 points on the board v. Pats in ’04 Div. Playoffs
*Gets his ass kicked all day long v. Steelers in ’05. Throws his o-line under the bus afterwards, saying “we had protection problems.” (Let’s stop right there for a minutes….Pey-in has a line that never lets anyone near him. He throws ‘em under the bus. Ben gets his ass kicked, week in, week out. Always has his o-lines back, takes ’em on weekend junkets, takes ’em to wrasslin’ shows in Wilkes-Barre
*Misses open recievers with game on the line, at home, in ‘07 Divsional Playoffs vs. SD
*At 8-8 SD in ’08 WC round….needs to pick up a 3rd & 2 late to ice the game. Doesn’t do it….poor Pey-in doesn’t get the ball in OT. The FF Peter King is still crying about it.
*The Grand Finale…..same stage, same circumstance as faced Ben last year, in SB XLIV, Pey-in comes up small. Whereas Ben threw a TD pass for the ages, Pey-in throws a pick-effin-six. Bwahahahahahahaha!!!

by swissvale72 on Feb 8, 2010 9:20 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

+1 billion
He throws ‘em under the bus.

there are only a few cardinal rules in team sports. one of those are that you NEVER go around publicly blaming losses on teammates when you aren’t including yourself in the blame deserving group.

he didn’t play that well, that game and let’s remember: it was 3rd & 2 with 25 seconds & 2 timouts left. vanderjagt was looking at a 46 yard field (nothing to laugh at) and was 3/4 during the season on the year with 45-48 yd field goals (his long was 48 & he had missed a 48 yarder). manning decided to go for the long bomb on 3rd & 2 to a covered WR instead of the wide open Edgerrin James in the flat. no doubt james picks up the first down and probably more. if manning throws to james, worse case senario: the colts would’ve spent a TO, would have a first down & enough time to at least take one more shot at the endzone. and if that didnt work, it would’ve been a 40 yard field goal, which vanderjagt was much better 5 yards closer.

i have a theory that it’s easy to be good person & do what ppl expect when things go your way and everything is good (be funny on snl, do all this community service, etc.). but you see how someone truly is when things dont go your way. and manning proceeded to break one of the cardinal rules of team sports. and i’ll always look at him as an overly arrogant player who thinks he smarter and better than everyone, including his teammates. and i LOVED that pick six.

by t1mmy10 on Feb 8, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

The original article has vanished from most places...

…but on a KC Chiefs board someone’s been kind enough to cut and paste an article on it from the Indy Star:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=134310

by khamxatka on Feb 9, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

thank you

kinda funny how that article “magically” seemed to disappear from every where

by t1mmy10 on Feb 9, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Ben also immediately gave props to his line after XLIII….“Who’s laughin now O-line??”

Bad Andy, Good Pizza.

by count'em_six on Feb 9, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not

More snow in the forecast makes me a very angry individual

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by John Stephens on Feb 9, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I am!

Hot chocolate(SPIKED _) in front of fire place, 2nd day off w/pay.(Gave my crew same 2 days!), and as much sex with new G-friend as my old ass can handle! :-)

“When the world gives you Lemons, make Lemonade!” Remember, you don’t have bad days, just some bad moments in those days!

"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."

by Chise67 on Feb 10, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

In D.C. and Baltimore

They have so much snow they are running out of places to put it after it’s plowed! I know Johnny’s pain. I remember some blizzards like that in SW ohio.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Feb 10, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Its awful

The snow was on friday/saturday and my street didn’t get plowed til tuesday. Now we have gotten an extra foot plus and I have no idea where they are going to put it all. The plow pushed all the snow up in front of my house. Its about the height of a basketball hoop.

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by John Stephens on Feb 10, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

That has to be terribly frustrating

No thaw for you soon either. The nighttime temperatures are not expected to be above freezing for the next week. There was a 50 vehicle pileup on the Interstate near Williamsburg VA today, and we only got a dusting of snow.

Good place to stash the beer : )

by alfresco on Feb 10, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeez

I can’t even get beer though. All the stores have been closed for a week! I did get some vodka before everything closed down though.

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by John Stephens on Feb 10, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I rec’d this based on the whole part of the "Road to 9-9. Well said Swiss.

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by John Stephens on Feb 9, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

correct
same stage, same circumstance as faced Ben last year, in SB XLIV, Pey-in comes up small. Whereas Ben threw a TD pass for the ages, Pey-in throws a pick-effin-six. Bwahahahahahahaha!!!

Other than the loot I won, the biggest headline from Superbowl XLIV is that Big Ben is superior to Peyton Manning.

Some Saints fan was being nice to the Colts and said something like “what team wouldn’t want to have peyton and his weapons in 2010? I can think of 30”

Ah nope. I’ll take Ben and Hines and ’Tone and Wallace and Miller and Mendy thanks.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Feb 9, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

*The Grand Finale…..same stage, same circumstance as faced Ben last year, in SB XLIV, Pey-in comes up small. Whereas Ben threw a TD pass for the ages, Pey-in throws a pick-effin-six. Bwahahahahahahaha!!!

LOVE IT!!!!

by Steelchamps !! on Feb 8, 2010 9:51 PM EST reply actions  

Tebow will join a long list of QB Heisman winners....

Terry Baker
John Huarte
Gary Beban
Pat Sullivan
Doug Flutie
Andre Ware
Ty Detmer
Gino Toretta
Danny Weurffel
Eric Crouch
Jason White

…who were great in the college game, but lacked the skill set to make it in the pros. Put ‘em all together and they didn’t amount to much, and neither will Tebow.

And thanks, Klompus, for “going there” about the self-rightousness. I’ve been tired for years of Warner making it seem like God wanted his team to win. It’s fine that Warner and Tebow have strong moral character and deep faith. But they are sadly mistaken if they think God cares if their football teams win. He doesn’t care about the Arizona Cardinals or Florida Gators any more than He cares whether those two guys pleasure themselves.

As a point of fact, God happens to have been a great friend of the Chief, and has interceded on behalf of the Black and Gold on numerous occasions, ever since 12/23/72. The Almighty has no such relationship with the Bidwill family or the corrupt politicians who run the State of Florida.

I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson

by Homer J. on Feb 8, 2010 10:13 PM EST reply actions  

I imagined I would take a lot of flak for "going there"

but it truly does annoy me and it stands out to me like a sore thumb. I wanted to see other’s impressions of it as well

by klompus on Feb 8, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm still waiting to see a player say

I would like to thank God for allowing me to throw those three interceptions and lose those two fumbles, I really felt his plan working out there. I want to see that so badly

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"the earth moves when Sean Payton walks...Because his balls are just that huge." Anarchon after Super Bowl XLIV
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 9, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

So...

Now we’re all about humility in quarterbacks, eh? And the whole discussion about Tebow is focused upon his attitude? And you would really rather have a quarterback who is comfy cozy with losing?

  

"Believe you can and you're halfway there." TR

by Concomitandt on Feb 9, 2010 3:38 AM EST up reply actions  

It ain't humility or attitude...

Tebow is a terrific college quarterback who appears to lack the skill set to succed at the pro level. And of course nobody wants any player who is – as you say – comfy cozy with losing.

We’re just tired of these guys who publicly credit the Man Upstairs for their victories and then say nothing when they screw up. It’s not like God was punishing Tebow for his wretched performance in the SEC Championship because Tebow had impure thoughts or because the Almighty saw him playing with his wanker.

Good for Tebow for his rock-solid faith. And ditto for the annoying Kurt Warner. Just don’t change the tune when you lose, boys. It’s only a game. Somebody’s gotta win. Somebody’s gotta lose. Exactly like the coin toss. Losing may suck, but it’s not divine retribution, unless we’re talking about New England.

I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson

by Homer J. on Feb 9, 2010 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Stover does the

“here’s to you big guy” after every kick, make it or not…he had a chance to do it Sunday

by Twell on Feb 9, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

LMAO

"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."

by Chise67 on Feb 10, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the Onion has a skit on that

possibly on the movie

"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.

by kick him in the head on Feb 10, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Homer J. you lost me here...
But they are sadly mistaken if they think God cares if their football teams win.

Immediately followed by…

As a point of fact, God happens to have been a great friend of the Chief, and has interceded on behalf of the Black and Gold on numerous occasions, ever since 12/23/72

God doesn’t care about your team, but he cares about mine?

"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 9, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

God doesn’t care about your team, but he cares about mine?


That pretty much sums up religion over the past couple thousand years. Islam vs. Christianity in the Crusade Bowl II!

by TomlinsPuffyJacket on Feb 9, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Er, at least it sums up

the way people use religion to achieve political ends. And like anything used to achieve political ends, the means ends up corrupted, whether it started that way or not.

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 9, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

NYSteelersFan4:

Sometimes sarcasm and joking don’t always shine through on the web.

I was using an absurdity to point out how absurd the mixing of theology with football results can be.

I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson

by Homer J. on Feb 9, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotcha man...

I hear you. My bad.

"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 9, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Mixing theology

with any attitude of one person or group being favored over another is absurd…

by Twell on Feb 9, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

GREAT point Momma!(Capital "M") :-)

"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."

by Chise67 on Feb 10, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Your block quotes may suck,(your opinion), but your words were GREAT!

"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."

by Chise67 on Feb 10, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey

I like Flutie. He was far better suited to the Canadian game but I still don’t think he was all that much of a bust in the NFL. Maybe not a star but he often looked better than the QB’s who replaced him when he played in the NFL.

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 9, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Flutie wasn't a bust! He was a victim of height stereotypes in NFL!

"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."

by Chise67 on Feb 10, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Tebow

Tebow is the project of projects in this draft. He has all the intangibles you want, especially the ones some folks are afraid Jimmy Clausen doesn’t have.

The problem goes beyond throwing motion for Tebow, although that’s certainly a big one. Footwork, the fact he’s never taken a snap under center, his pocket awareness, and his ability to read defenses are all going to be problems. I’m also one of those that questions his arm strength, at least so far as it lets him fit throws into tight windows.

Spread/read-option QB’s are notoriously slow developers in the NFL, if they develope at all.

In other words, whatever team drafts Tebow has got to be willing to let him sit and learn for at least 2 if not 3 years before they even think about starting him in a more than emergency situation. That’s an awfully big investment for a player taken in the first or second – rounds that are supposed to produce guys that can at least contribute if not start their first year.

That being said, I think there’s a good chance Tebow could go sometime in the second, either as a luxury pick to a team like the Pats or as a kind of gamble by a team like Buffalo that is desperate for a decent signal caller (and has a new offensive minded coach coming in). Still, I wouldn’t take him till at least the 3rd if not the 4th were i a GM.

by BluegrassSteeler on Feb 8, 2010 11:08 PM EST reply actions  

I've just seen tebow highlights

I agree with him lacking good footwork. . I did noticed a weak arm, and he’s not playing against aggressive NFL defenses. He also likes to run when given the option, but I see him getting nailed by a LB or Safety. You can get hurt easily if you underestimate pro players hitting ability….

by IronJake on Feb 12, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

On Tebow

1. I wasn’t a fan of his at Florida, but part of that is because I think Home Depot should rename the aisle with the drills, circular saws, sanders, etc. the Urban Meyer Area.
2. When Joe Theismann ripped Tebow and said he had no shot at the NFL and should retire rather than enter the draft, that swung the meter in the other direction. Because as much of a non-fan of his as I might have been up until then, Tebow didn’t ruin year after year after year of Sunday night football broadcasts.
3. If Vince Young hadn’t bounced back this year, that would probably make it tougher on Tebow. And last time I checked, Kordell Stewart took the Steelers to 2 AFC Championship games. I’m skeptical and I’m not predicting that Tebow will be a winner, but if Kordell can win, I’m not ruling Tebow out.
4. I’d put the chances at the Steelers drafting Tebow at somewhere between a snowball’s chance in hell and the odds of me hooking up with Joanna Krupa.
5. Which means I’ll either be rooting like hell against Tebow because he got drafted by the Browns, Ravens, Bengals, Cowboys or Patriots or I won’t really care because he got drafted by someone else.

by pghnorthside on Feb 8, 2010 11:40 PM EST reply actions  

The media doesn't understand that

The NFL wants Tebow to succeed for the PR. That’s it.

Think about how many people don’t watch it because of all the “thugs” and womanizers. Now take the Almighty One (Tebow) into the equation and you have a whole new set of viewers boosting the ratings just to see him. He’s the Great White Hope (not meant to be racially insensitive) for the NFL.

And imagine all those UT, UGA, Alabama, and LSU fans coming to cheer against him. Talk about a boost in ticket sales.

by StoneColdSteel on Feb 9, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess I’m too much of a casual fan of college football to get too hyped about Tebow one way or the other. But if he’s good for the NFL, regardless of whether the motivations are pure or not, then full speed ahead I say.

by pghnorthside on Feb 9, 2010 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

+1000

“2. When Joe Theismann ripped Tebow and said he had no shot at the NFL and should retire rather than enter the draft, that swung the meter in the other direction. Because as much of a non-fan of his as I might have been up until then, Tebow didn’t ruin year after year after year of Sunday night football broadcasts.”

Amen, northside!

I never watch or listen to Theismann with a scissors anywhere nearby, lest I stab myself in the ear. Theismann makes me envy the deaf. If that motormouthed megalomaniac thinks so poorly of Tebow, I may be forced to rethink my opinion and give the lad another chance.

I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson

by Homer J. on Feb 9, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

The whole Tebow issue has very little to do with Tebow the player. It is about Tebow the person. That’s who they want to succeed.

In the end, it’s all about the benjamins.

by StoneColdSteel on Feb 9, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

He's the, "Great RIGHT Hope!" No racial insensitivity, or political pun intended!

"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."

by Chise67 on Feb 10, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I just saw on the news that

over 100.6 MILLION people watched the SB yesterday, making it the single most watched televised program evar.

For those “Obscure facts” people, the previous most watched program was the finale of M.A.S.H..

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 8, 2010 11:42 PM EST reply actions  

Caldwell did have the deer in the headlights appearance

but seriously, can we expect everyone to have the same swagger and personality as we’ve had in Cowher and now Mikey T?

I was with Tone on this: I wish both teams would have lost. It’s time to get hungry again.

When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!

by 1BlkGldFan on Feb 9, 2010 12:07 AM EST reply actions  

I focus on thirst

"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.

by kick him in the head on Feb 10, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

those calls Sean Payton was making took very large stones as well

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"the earth moves when Sean Payton walks...Because his balls are just that huge." Anarchon after Super Bowl XLIV
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 9, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Caldwell looked like that all year. But the guy is like Wade Phillips just the face on the sidelines for the guy really calling the shots from up high. Only in this case, it’s the GM with the power complex.

by pghnorthside on Feb 9, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, darlin'

I could have gone on MUCH longer than that. But you’re doing well for a youngster : )

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 9, 2010 12:29 AM EST reply actions  

klompus

I read this article and it feels like you wrote my thoughts. It would be hard for me to agree more with anything on here. Well done buddy. I liked the emotion behind the writing.

Rec’N’Roll

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by John Stephens on Feb 9, 2010 12:05 PM EST reply actions  

Manning's Super Bowl win.

Also came against a great defense that was missing their DT’s. And the Colts smartly ran it all over them. Peyton was the eighth best offensive player on his team that day.

The Colts wouldn’t have beat the Patriots that year without Marvin Harrison telling Peyton to call a run on the goal line. Marvin wasn’t there this year and the Colts ignored the run in a game the Saints didn’t even try to stop it. Eerily similar to Manning vs. LeBeau in 2005, where The Steelers played pass defense all day while James ran well but rarely.

Bilichick, Williams and LeBeau all have shown a great DC will out coach the Colts QB/OC.

by Phantaskippy on Feb 9, 2010 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

to go the other way though. . .

Sean Payton’s genius won this game. His strategy was simple. Don’t let Peyton have the ball. It worked. Bilichick does the same thing. Peyton may not be able to win the big game, but he doesn’t because the opposing team doesn’t let him, either with the Joey Porter traveling domination show, or by just not letting him have the ball.

by Phantaskippy on Feb 9, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

This seriously pisses me off
Peyton Manning passed for a very pedestrian 247 yards with 1 pick and 1 touchdown.

And he got the MVP, when in our Super Bowl Ben puts up very similar numbers but the MVP goes to a WR. I’m not saying that tone didn’t deserve it, but if you gonna pick tone then Reggie Wayne should have been MVP of the colts Super Bowl, or one of the running backs.

It goes to show you the bias that is against Ben. Manning got the MVP off reputation not his play. People put him up there in the elite 2 with just Brady and Manning. I believe that Manning hasn’t distinguished himself enough and Brady only won when the Pats were cheating therefore it should be an Elite 4. Adding Ben and Brees in the conversation because they got rings.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 9, 2010 3:44 PM EST reply actions  

Also keep in mind

That Ben’s Comp% and QB rating were better too. Not to add he lead the winning drive. Indy put away the Bears off an interception on the worst QB to ever play in the SB.

Also, Peyton’s lone touchdown came in the 1st quarter. Arg

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by John Stephens on Feb 10, 2010 8:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but

Ben is a dick, from another post…. so I’m sure the media doesn’t like him because of it while manning and brady are poster children for the quintessential nfl quarterback.

Just askin’

by IronJake on Feb 12, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Not true

Manning and Brady are even bigger dicks than Ben, it’s just Ben doesn’t care who knows it, and those other two only show it by accident, or when they are angry (Brady laughing about “17 points?”, and Manning throwing his O-line under the bus)

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 13, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I know this may not be well received

But hey everyone has their view point.
Here’s mine.

God is God, there is nothing He can’t do, so if He chooses to He can use individual’s gifts that He gives them to glorify His name. Which means a guy like Tebow can use football as a platform to do things for God that the normal person cannot do. Does God wants a team to win? I dunno but that is beside the point. I don’t ever remember hearing either one of the men in question saying that God wants their team to win. Can someone please show the article? I mean thats just out of sheer ignorance on my part because I have never heard those words uttered from either one of their lips. I’m not a fan of either one, I think Kurt Warner is only as good as his receiving core and tebow all around sucks.

If you don’t believe in God then thats you.
You don’t have to like these guys but let it be for good reason. I just think that the charges against these men are unfounded.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 9, 2010 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

I think that's fair

I can’t say I have heard it, but I don’t tune in for some those moments when they are giving credit to the higher power.

by Twell on Feb 9, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea my dad couldn't stand Warner

he believes that he was using God as a cover up to get more money out of the franchise, but the guy retired this year and well I honestly believe he could play next year and had a good year, so take it for what its worth

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 9, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he's smart to walk away

After getting laid out in the Playoffs, you can’t do that to your family anymore…its selfish. He’s had his days, and he could play but shouldn’t.

by Twell on Feb 9, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think God would care about your team winning

He only cares for your salvation and those that you bring to him. But i don’t want to get started on this topic because I know how this can turn out.

Athletes use God for good PR. Not to say that some of them aren’t genuine, but most of them are just acknowledging that he exists. They’re not living Christian lifestyles at all.

by StoneColdSteel on Feb 9, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

They’re not living Christian lifestyles at all.

True of many people of all walks of life…and that’s a shame.

by Twell on Feb 9, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, you misunderstand I think

We probably agree about certain if not most aspects of American Christianity. The blind following the blind is not what I would support either.

by Twell on Feb 10, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

You know. . .

The old and new testament, and from Jesus’ own words Christians are called sheep.

I don’t think it’s an accident God picked one of the dumbest animals he created to compare us to. He loves us, but we’re dumb as bricks.

by Phantaskippy on Feb 10, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Matt Damon's rant in Dogma

about “Through the Looking Glass” sums it up fairly well, I think.

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 10, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The Walrus and the Carpenter

The Walrus (Buddah, of sorts), and the Carpenter (Jebus) dupe clams (faithful people) into following them to be eaten (IIRC).

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 10, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

I am not sure if Steelerboy86 meant it in that way. I jumped to the conclusion that he meant we (or those who exercise a particular characteristic of devotion), as you say it, are dumb as bricks and it was a negative statement. But I admit I don’t know where Steelerboy is coming from, and I apologize for my presumption.

If it was used in the spirit of what I would call “true heart practice,” than the symbolism, metaphor or analogy of sheep is not necessarily derogatory or denigrating.

by Twell on Feb 10, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

nah...

i was just being sarcastic about the whole conversation in general. no negativity intended

by SteelerBoy86 on Feb 11, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't even imagine

what player’s wives and families must go through as they watch them play. I saw Brenda Warner’s face after he took that big hit in the playoffs (naturally the cameras were trained on her right away) and I felt at that moment that if he cared about her he would retire.

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 9, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

irrational or not

the love of competing and the desire to get another ring is probably very similar to the sense of duty those men feel. especially with someone like kurt or brett, that considers themself a leader, stands in front of those 52 other men in the locker room after every game. you think they feel no sense of duty to those men?

by klompus on Feb 10, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I understand that when you're 28, or 32,

but when you’re 38 and have had a large number of concussions, you’re just playing with fire.

I have a son-in-law who is a police officer, not in Pgh, but another large city. (Before that he was in the navy, stationed on an oil platform off the coast of Iraq. The same one the British officers were kidnapped from a few years ago.) He’s assigned to the worst precinct in the city. We have had multiple police officers killings in Pgh in the past year. Do I worry? Does my daughter worry? Of course, but a) he is doing something necessary for society. Football, much as I love it, is hardly in the same category. b) He’s an adrenaline junkie, and needs to do something dangerous to be happy, so this is better than a lot of the alternatives.

My daughter loves him, wants him to be happy in his work, and prays a lot. Just like Brenda Warner. Unlike Brenda Warner, her husband is not a ticking time bomb who has already made more than enough money to live on for the rest of their lives. Kurt Warner has other interests and has a calling and a ministry. He isn’t go to sit around the house pining to play football, although he may well miss it a lot. Married couples who want to stay together make sacrifices for one another. Old football players who don’t want to spend the rest of their lives covered in their own drool make sensible decisions. As StoneColdSteel said, it’s not really a valid comparison.

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 10, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s not a valid comparison because Police officers are sacrificing for others.

However, many cops/firefighters/etc. Love their work and struggle to walk away from it. They risk their lives because they love what they do. There are plenty waiting for their pension so they can retire, but there are also those that dread retirement no matter what the financial implication. In that sense the allusion works. NFL players make it in the NFL because they have more talent and work harder than others. That kind of work and sacrifice is often because they are so passionate about the competition. If at any time Ben Roethlisberger stops and thinks “I could get seriously hurt” he wouldn’t be a great QB, and he wouldn’t have won a single Super Bowl if that thought ever was seriously considered. Guys like that aren’t going to walk away because they might get hurt.

by Phantaskippy on Feb 10, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Merril Hoge
When I came to the sideline, I was never unconscious. My facemask has been bent. They were switching my facemask and realized cognitively I was not responding properly. … They take me to the training room where I died — I flat-lined. My heart stopped. In the process of trying to resuscitate me, I started to breathe again. Now, they rushed me to the emergency room. I was in ICU for two days, but it was after that I was basically trapped in my home for six weeks. You could not take me around the block, and I would not be able to find my way home because I did not have the cognitive skills. I had to learn how to read again. In fact, months later if you would sit me down and take the inventory of the day I would not be able to recite that to you. So, there is a lot of cognitive issues that I dealt with, and it took almost two years to overcome those particular issues.

Concussion Nearly Killed Me

by Twell on Feb 10, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

And you are right

if you hesitate, you will get hurt.

I used to ski bum in Utah, and I skied some things and situations (steep chutes, trees, deep powder to my neck) where if you didn’t charge it, if you didn’t go and stay focused,,, stay confident,…. if you were apprehensive, you were about to become a victim.

by Twell on Feb 10, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 tannofsteel84

I’ll never fault a person for believing in a higher power than themselves.

When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!

by 1BlkGldFan on Feb 9, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Or when still being a virgin upon graduation from college...

somehow makes you think you are more qualified to be a starting QB than the other guys because it shows determination and leadership and blah blah blah.

by SteelerBoy86 on Feb 10, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Time will tell if his talent is enough

to make it in the NFL as a great QB (personally I have my doubts) but I’m certainly not going to slam him for having strong moral beliefs and making choices that work for him. How does his being a virgin and being proud of it make him less qualified? (sounds like just a lot of Tebow envy to me.) Just sayin’.

When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!

by 1BlkGldFan on Feb 10, 2010 7:37 AM EST up reply actions  

because anyone coming out of college proud for NOT being a virgin and talking about it would get bashed

yes, Tim Tebow, be strong in what you believe in, as long as it’s what it’s okay to believe in! What if I believe that its good for you to smoke pot and have as much sex as you want? I believe it and believe it strongly. But I don’t get to talk about my values like they are made out of gold

by klompus on Feb 10, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Well,you have to admit

that your values are rather self-indulgent…

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 10, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Isn't Tebow keeping his penis to himself

also self-indulgent?

"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.

by kick him in the head on Feb 10, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

From what I gather

about how much guys like to get their penises out and about, I would say it was probably pretty tough for him to do. Whether you think it is a good idea or not, you have to admit that it demonstrates self-control. At least in a good-looking guy. In other words, I presume there was no lack of opportunity.

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 10, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

But hummers are not technically sex...

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 10, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

You lost me there.

Which is probably just as well.

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 10, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

According to Slick Willie Clinton

oral does not count as sexual relations…

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 10, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Really? How would you know? : )

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 10, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

hey hey

no snide remarks concerning my sexuality

by klompus on Feb 10, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, the implication

was that you are a stud. At least by your own admission. I was merely taking you at your word.

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 10, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not stud but I'm definitely a pretty boy

the girls are suckers for blonde hair blue eyes :)

by klompus on Feb 10, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll consider myself warned...

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 10, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Danger Will Robinson, Danger!

LOLOLOL!

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 10, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

What about red hair, extremely pale and blue eyes

we get nothing but ridacule(sp?)

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 10, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

My daughter married a man

that answers to that description. Oh, and he’s Welsh, and was a hockey player, and it wouldn’t be a good idea at all to ridicule him. My daughter is quite beautiful IMO, and most other people’s too. They have three of the most adorable little boys you will ever see (I call them the Terminator Trio, as they can demolish a room in nothing flat), and they are all red-heads to one degree or another. I think that they are going to be chick magnets. So don’t despair…

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 11, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I need to hang out with him

but its tough being a red head we are a minority(we are 3% of the population) and we get not persicuted but just ridculed. There is hope for little ones, apperently over time the red starts to fade a little, I mean I don’t have bright red hair but you tell its red

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"the earth moves when Sean Payton walks...Because his balls are just that huge." Anarchon after Super Bowl XLIV
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 12, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

My Grandfather was a carrot top.

He was a great guy (for his family) and a practical joker with everyone who annoyed him.

I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 12, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Red head women

just to let you know

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Feb 12, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

tebow envy?

more like strong distaste for his brand of self-aggrandizement, or just good ole’fashioned PR as he would call it. i don’t care what he believes in, but i also don’t need and/or want to hear about it either.
i’ve watched him play… not impressed. is he a good athlete? sure. but i’m not naive enough to believe that somehow his “values” should suddenly be considered intangibles that translate into a 1st round pick and starting QB.

by SteelerBoy86 on Feb 11, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

When did Tebow claim to be God's gift to football (self aggrandizement)?

I think I missed that.

His values aren’t what they talk about when they talk about intangibles. They mean his leadership, study and work ethic, his ability to motivate his teammates, things like that. I don’t ever recall anyone claiming his values made him a football player.

"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 11, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

To each their own

But I personally would rather hear a Tim Tebow thanking God at the end of the game, celebrating without getting shitfaced and slamming into a pedestrian, not having to read how many children he sired before he got his first NFL snap and how his personal morals and standards can and do translate to leadership on the field and off. Yep; I would rather hear that than any long winded speech by a “me” player who has only ever thanked himself.

But…. that’s just me.

When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!

by 1BlkGldFan on Feb 11, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

If I work hard and I succeed

I’ll be damned if I’m not thanking myself

by klompus on Feb 12, 2010 3:16 AM EST up reply actions  

therein lies the difference

If it works for you, go for it.

When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!

by 1BlkGldFan on Feb 12, 2010 7:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh sure bring Lorana Bobbitt into it.

:)

When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!

by 1BlkGldFan on Feb 10, 2010 7:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I do

Especially when it is shoved down my throat, controls my world, was and simply created for power and control. “Religion is the opiate of the masses”

But we’re her to discuss football, right? Not god.

by IronJake on Feb 12, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Warner is only as good as his receiving core? He is the second most accurate in career comp% to ever play the game. WRs can only catch the ball, the QB has to get it there and Warner is damn good at that.

St. Louis was 4-12 when he got there in 98, 5-11 the previous year. Then Warner takes the reins and they go 13-3 (SB), 10-6 (Warner was 8-3), and 14-2 (NFC Champs) before Warner got into injury problems.

In Arizona he had Fitz and Boldin the entire time, but they didn’t go anywhere until Warner hit his stride and seemed fully healthy. He carried that team to the SB on some impressive offensive numbers. And he nearly pulled off an improbable upset of the heavily favored Steelers.

Warner is a good QB.

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by John Stephens on Feb 10, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

So what didn't he do that for the giants?

Warner is straight, but if Lienart was half a decent QB Arizona would be fine. Give any decent QB in the NFL those receivers and he shines.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 11, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

His one year there

he improved the QB rating 15 points over Collins numbers. It was the best QB rating the Giants had since Phil Simms in 93. Eli just passed it this year with a much better core of receivers, with the people Warner had he didn’t get within 10 points of Warner’s QB rating.

As for winning games Arizona started doing that when Whiz showed up. Warner might not be God’s gift to the QB position, but he is a great QB, no one else has been able to do anything with Fitz and Boldin, not Jeff Blake or Matt Leinhart. Let’s see if anyone can now that Kurt’s gone.

by Phantaskippy on Feb 11, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Idk

Man after the super bowl season he struggled for a while 5 years to be exact. You take the 5 years out and man yea he is a shoe in but the fact that he kept getting replaced, albeit the giants didn’t give him much of a chance, but its not like he was with the rams, he was replaced with a 5-4 record…

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 12, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Warner was still messed up from the beating he took in StL

When he was with the Giants. And read what Phantaskippy said.

Anyway, look at Leinart’s numbers with those WRs. 7-9, 57.1comp%, 14TDs, 20INTs, an overall QB rating of 70.8. Great WR helps a QB, but they do not define that QBs skills.

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by John Stephens on Feb 12, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that's fair

I can’t say I have heard it, but I don’t tune in for some those moments when they are giving credit to the higher power.

by Twell on Feb 9, 2010 4:39 PM EST reply actions  

I wonder if anyone ever blames the Devil for a loss....

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 9, 2010 5:50 PM EST reply actions  

Tebow

Tebow will become a star QB the same season that Jamarcus Russell wins the MVP award (or wins another game).

by Steeler Nation VA on Feb 9, 2010 8:50 PM EST reply actions  

Russell MVP

did he change sports?

"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.

by kick him in the head on Feb 10, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

we had to play nice all year

when you’re the Champ, you’re supposed to be humble and gracious. All year I tried to take a relaxed approach to the game. Now you can throw that out the window. I HATE the entire AFC North and strongly dislike the rest of the conference. The NFC gets on my nerves as well, especially the East. Screw everybody!

The time is NOW. Steelers players better be resting and spending time with family now because 2010 is war. The championship window is open and a few tweaks can right the ship. The call is out to the bengals and the raiders and the rest of the AFC North. Get ready for a butt whoopin’!

Man I’m gettin fired up!

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Feb 9, 2010 8:55 PM EST reply actions  

When did the Raiders move to our division?

That would be mighty cool to have the Raiders AND the skidmarks here. Move the bungholes out to the west.

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 9, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

They better win it next year

Because they won’t get another chance until 2012. But unfotunately that’s when the world ends :(

by StoneColdSteel on Feb 10, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

We need to seriously game plan for the bums from oakland

the simple fact is that it’s been maybe a decade since we’ve beaten them. 2009, 2006, I believe in 2003 or whenever as well. We may not have beaten them since the 90s. That NEEDS to end. Whatever we have to do, when those losers come to Heinz Field this year the Steelers better be ready. I want them embarrassed. I want them hanging their heads in shame on the way back to the craphole they come from (actually I could dig Oaksterdam these days).

Nothing less than complete dominance and humiliation will be acceptable.


You’re going to pay a terrible price you bald bastard, if you’re still on the roster

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Feb 10, 2010 6:47 AM EST up reply actions  

They might win a date with a few blackouts

but they aint winning the division, or a playoff game next year. Bank on it, buddy.

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 10, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

"When did the Raiders move to our division?"

I thought when I wrote that it might be misleading. It’s just the level of hatred I have, in order:

1. bung-holes
2. raiders
3. then the rest of the afc north (not worth naming)

sorry I am very much aware of which teams we play twice a year.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Feb 10, 2010 6:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I was just F'in with ya man...

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 10, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

hell yes

some good old fashioned sports hate really makes me love the game

by klompus on Feb 10, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Um, okay.

I’m happy to just love my team and leave it at that. I suppose it is that gender gap thing…

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 10, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think so.

My dad hated the Steelers with a passion. On most other subjects he was pretty rational.

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 10, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

completely unrelated

but is there some way to get my icon onto my profile? I have my icons on my photobucket site.

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 10, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know.

I uploaded mine from my computer. Did you try uploading one in your profile?

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 10, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Well there is the rub

I don’t like the idea of uploading from my pc. Probably perfectly safe but there you go… I will think about this. If you see an icon of some sort here you will know I did it.

I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 10, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems to be working

Unfortunately all my images seem to be rectangular… I will keep experimenting till I find something that works.

I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 10, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I trained my dogs

to watch my computer when I’m gone, so that has worked so far…

"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.

by kick him in the head on Feb 10, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Why didn't I think of that?

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 10, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

" Um, okay. I’m happy to just love my team and leave it at that."

Hate:

It gives you focus…makes you powerful

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Feb 10, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel so - so strange.

I feel waves of disdain washing through me as I study the image. If only I knew a Bengals fan! I would crush him with my mighty scorn!

Thank you for enlightening me, oh great one : )

(Actually, I feel okay now. I think I got a bad jalapeno popper there.)

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 10, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

hatred can also blind you and lead to mistakes

but that’s only if you’re a raven

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Feb 11, 2010 6:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Lots of Tebow bashing...

But keep in mind, he’s not telling you what you believe is stupid, he’s simply talking about what he personally believes. If you don’t like it, ignore it. It’s really not that hard to do… is it?

On the other hand, the people calling him foolish for what he believes in … You’re claiming that he is doing something you don’t like, which he’s not even doing, and at the same time you’re actually doing it too.

Take a step back… breathe… we’re not all going to agree with eachother over everything. Be civil.

"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 10, 2010 1:20 PM EST reply actions  

Believing in something is one thing

Blind faith is something quite different.

Example: I BELIEVE that the Steelers will win the majority of their games every year. If I say “They will win Super Bowl 45”, that is blind faith.

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 10, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure I follow Fever...

"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 10, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you f**king with me, or are you being serious?

Because I can go on this subject for days…

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 10, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I'm serious...

But if it’s going to be a long for or against religion type thing, I’ll pass. No disrespect, this just isn’t really the place.

My point is simple. I have never heard Tebow come out and mock non-believers. He comes out and states that he believes, and never says that if you don’t believe him your any less of a person. It seems that there is a lot of hostility towards religions as an entity. I can’t say that to an extent they don’t deserve it… in most cases they do. But the hostility towards Tebow is a little unnecessary. If you do believe fine, don’t tell me I should, and don’t mock me for not believing. If you don’t believe, that’s fine too, just don’t tell me I shouldn’t, and don’t mock me if I do. To each his own.

"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 10, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay. The "blind faith" thing is

“I believe because I believe, and that’s what you do”.

The Belief thing is: “I believe there is a higher power because I have witnessed a miracle”.

All I’m saying is have faith because you believe, not because you are afraid of hell, or any other consequences.

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 10, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

So a person shouldn't be afraid of going to hell?

Becasue I’ve heard that place isn’t a very good time to spend eternity.

by StoneColdSteel on Feb 10, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

as biggie smalls once said

“[i want to go to hell because] god would probably have me on that real strict shit”

by klompus on Feb 10, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

No. Nobody should be afraid of hell as long as

you try to be the best person you can be. No man is infallible, we all make mistakes, but the only stupid mistake is the one you make more than once.

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 10, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

That makes no sense

Fear shouldn’t drive you, but to say that one shouldn’t be fearful of eternal pain and suffering makes no sense.

That’s like saying you shouldn’t be afraid of an 80 lb pit bull charging at you as long as you’re nice to it.

Not going to hell is the reason why so many are Christians and you know that.

by StoneColdSteel on Feb 11, 2010 2:18 AM EST up reply actions  

That's actually pretty sad.

I’m a Christian but there is no fear of hell here. Jesus only brought up the wrath of God to hypocrites, he never once brings up eternal suffering to non-believers, to them he was always preaching about a better way to live your life. That’s what Christianity should be telling and showing people, a better way to live their lives. I tell you many people reject Christianity that have not rejected Christ. They rejected a misrepresentation of him.

The Bible also speaks of those who enter the kingdom as just escaping the flames, and the luke-warm who make God vomit. Those people to me are the ones who follow out of fear or obligation or just because it’s what they always have done. I don’t think that is the type of faith you are supporting, but it came out sounding like that.

by Phantaskippy on Feb 11, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I know Jesus' message

“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand” was basically what his message was.

I think you misunderstand what I’m implying. We become Christians not only for the reasons you stated, but to not go to hell either.

The description of hell in the Bible is meant to be fearful anyway. Are you telling me that one shouldn’t fear what hell has in store for them if they don’t keep God first?

by StoneColdSteel on Feb 11, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

To repent means you have done something/s

that would send you to hell.

If you haven’t done anything too horribly wrong in your life, you don’t need to repent.

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 11, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I want this religion thread to end, but...

Jesus’ message was not, “repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand”

His message was that we should do more to help eachother, and treat eachother as we would like to be treated. With kindness, respect, and love for our fellow man.

All things that are dwindelling in society today, most likely as a result of this anger towards religion itself.

"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 11, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

And they deserve it

I’m not going to support a religion that supported the crass land grab known as the Spanish Inquisition, or the Crusades that burned down the LIbrary of Alexandria and erased years of knowledge/technology

by klompus on Feb 11, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You missed...

supported the Nationalsit slaughter of innocents during the Spanish Civil War.

I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 12, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

opps

Nationalist (I can spell correctly if given enough chances).

I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 12, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

There are dark days and bad people in the religion of Christianity. I promise you there will be officials of the church in hell while the heathens they killed get into heaven.

Religion is man made. God is not, despite how often we try to remake him. Jesus’ main enemies were the teachers and elites of the religion God started. He had no qualms telling them exactly where their religious devotion would get them. The same will apply to many purported Christians throughout history and into today.

Plenty of people use religion as a crutch, a cover-up, as a money scam or excuse to look down on others. No matter what they say about their faith, they aren’t following the example of Jesus. They may fool others, but they do not fool God.

by Phantaskippy on Feb 11, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 12, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

And lots and lots of people

use hatred and contempt for religious belief as a crutch.

The cross is a burden from either perspective. Or crescent. Or star. Or dollar. Or coitus. Or pride. Etc. etc.

by tobiathan on Feb 14, 2010 7:32 AM EST up reply actions  

If you want to blame the false practices of followers...

On the religion itself, I suggest you step back from the situation.

The followers made incredibly irresponsible and catastrophic decisions in the name of their God. It does not mean the message was to do what they did. The message is good, the peoples loose interpretation and use of religion was disgusting.

"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 11, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

For the record...

I am not a religious person. I have not been to church since I was about 10 or so, with the exception of weddings and funerals.

I do however believe in the message, that doing the right thing to the people around you does create a better world.

"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 11, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Merely irresponsible...?

The Crusades/Spanish Inquisition barely used religion as a facade. Malice was intended… it’s not like it was some kind of “well oops, we were just reading our Bible… and we got carried away. Really sorry about all the senseless drestruction, insert biblical times version of lol here”

by klompus on Feb 11, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Listen...

I get it. I’m no dummie. I worded it poorly.

"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 11, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

No...

No worries man. I just don’t really care for the discussion as a whole in this case. And I probably helped carry it on longer than I should have.

This is a sports site. I come here to get away from this stuff.

"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 11, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

23...

And I live in Cental New York. You?

"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 11, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

19

and living in the mountains of North Carolina… haven’t lived in the Bible Belt my whole life and quite frankly do not enjoy it that much. I was just curious

by klompus on Feb 11, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

Like tell people all the time, don’t let the incredible faults of the people in charge blind you of the idea and the message.

That applies all over the board.

"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 11, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

thats a good piece of advice

you’d think it’d be more intuitive for more people

by klompus on Feb 11, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

By the way, if you don't support crass land grabs...

Tell that to our fore fathers here in America.

.

"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 11, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Manifest destiny?

The belief that God himself intended for us to rule the land.

"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 11, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I was always under the impression that the people that said we were divinely ordained to rule the land was in the minority

and that the Imperialistic ventures were more in the vein of “its our duty as a Christian nation to do so”

by klompus on Feb 11, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

That all depends...

On which crass land grab you’re talking about.

We had a few back in the day.

"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 11, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I've always given America the marginally deserved credit of trying to keep church and state separate

and at least semi-admitting their actions were selfish by not trying to excuse them

by klompus on Feb 11, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

One of the wisest things

I think the American concept of the division of church and state is one of the wisest things to come out of America.

I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 12, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 12, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Football

Promotes good American values; like taking other peoples land by force, and wearing tight pants while you’re doing it!

by Phantaskippy on Feb 12, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

and whats mor american than that, other than the Nathans Hot Dog eating competetion every fourth of July

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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 12, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I could be wrong but I believe that was John the Baptist’s message. Jesus wasn’t all about repentance, his basic message was “Be excellent to each other, and party on dudes!”

The problem with Christians (as I see it) is two fold:

1. we are so very adult. We Humans like to make things complicated, we look for loopholes and exceptions and make everything as complicated as possible. A message as simple as Jesus’ just doesn’t jive. We have to get legalistic and make it more adult sounding, turn it into rules and exceptions, mostly so we can argue about it.

2. We are selfish. We don’t trust each other and others shouldn’t trust us. Jesus told us not to care about getting screwed over, and just be good to people whether they deserve it or not. You get taken advantage of, let it go, it’s better than being jaded and bitter.

by Phantaskippy on Feb 11, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Be excellent to eachother and party on dudes...

Phantaskippy… I like your style.

"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 11, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

But...

Where is Napoleon being the Ziggy Piggy?

I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 12, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

How does it not make sense?

If you try to live your life as best you can, you shouldn’t be fearful of hell, because you won’t go.

Simple as that.

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 11, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't need you to agree with me

You asked, I answered.

I’m not trying to be a dick, it’s just I really like having these conversations. I learn something every time, and hopefully, so does the person I’m talking to. :)

Have you read anything by Anton LaVey?

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 11, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

He founded the Church of Satan

Wrote the Satanic Bible, The Satanic Rituals, and a couple others with random thoughts and stuff. Do not confuse Satanism with Devil Worship, two completely different things.

Don’t judge him singularly on that, because the man was brilliant, and had some excellent thoughts on a lot of things.

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 12, 2010 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Jesus Rules

And hes coming back to whip some serious ass

Possibly mine.

thankyoupleasedrivethru

by Steelchamps !! on Feb 10, 2010 9:01 PM EST reply actions  

yeah most likely

especially after your drunken rants after the Miami game to end the season

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"the earth moves when Sean Payton walks...Because his balls are just that huge." Anarchon after Super Bowl XLIV
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan

by WVPiratesfan on Feb 10, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Hhahahahahaha

I have asked for forgveness! :)

by Steelchamps !! on Feb 11, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone

wanna discuss politics now? where is nycsteelerfan when you need her….

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 11, 2010 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

No.

"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe

by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 11, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

it was a joke

i guess it failed….

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 11, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you hear about that local official that got killed in China, cause that is an awesome story.

by Phantaskippy on Feb 11, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

yes i did

it was a tragedy all because he owe the man some rice…. people these days…

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 11, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he’ll get off. Chinese history teaches that in moments like that you listen to the people. Corrupt officials have been the bane of the peasants for thousands of years, if you can’t keep them honest the people will.

by Phantaskippy on Feb 11, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Global economic collapse BY DESIGN

Then a Global Currency

Rumors of a false flag In Vancouver for Olympics.

Fight The NWO

by Steelchamps !! on Feb 11, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

you forgot something in that little conspiracy theory

Fight the NWO maaaannn(in the most hippy voice you can think of)

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"the earth moves when Sean Payton walks...Because his balls are just that huge." Anarchon after Super Bowl XLIV
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan

by WVPiratesfan on Feb 12, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

how can it be a conspiracy when its all true?

by Steelchamps !! on Feb 13, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

It can be a conspiracy...

it will just no longer be a theory.

I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 16, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

False Flag

I think that is the Aussies with their boxing kangaroo flag. Apparently they raise it at every Olympics. Sort of an unofficial banner.

I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 12, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Tim Tebow

Tim Tebow will have about as successful of an NFL career as Geno Toretta.

by Chris Mazuros on Feb 13, 2010 12:10 AM EST reply actions  

Who knows yet? Good fodder Klompus...

Tebow – He’s a good football player first and foremost. He won’t want to change positions but it is possible he could play 2nd TE, slot or situational wildcat type QB. I like him because he seems like a solid guy and a good football player. If he can’t develop his QB skills and doesn’t fit elsewhere, he won’t last more than 2 years or so. I say he gets drafted early-mid 2nd round.

Patriots will be billed as team of the decade whether we like it or not. Their record against the Steelers in the big games gets us 2nd place. The ‘cheating’ by Belichek is already forgotten.

As for Satan Manning, I don’t like his act or the Colts. The Saints staff did a great job containing the Colts and making them earn what they got over the course of the game. Manning looks like a genius until he doesn’t and then they look very average. His ego gets in the way. Johnny Unitas called all his own plays and they ran the ball very effectively, especially in the end of big games. I hate the comparison.

Caldwell? Who knoes how much he did or didn’t do during the game. He looked along for the ride in some respects. He gets 2-3 more years and goes out just before or after Manning. No more Lombardis for Satan Manning…..

"Franz" in NoCal

by franz on Feb 15, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

wow...i came on here to read some football shit and

y’all have done it again. I was sucked into this thread and didn’t get a damn thing done at work again. Shit, they’re gonna fire me one day. I just wanted to say that this is one of the best sites on the net. and….GO STEELERS.

by SteelersFnRule on Feb 15, 2010 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

We do tend to have as much fun as possible.

I feel your pain, though. Mrs. Fever gets all pissed off at me because she tries to talk to me while I’m typing, and I get exasperated at her for interrupting. My brain works so fast, if I don’t get down what I’m thinking quickly, I’ll forget it. I mean, she see me typing and…Ah fark it…

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by Steel Spike on Feb 15, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Team of the decade

Sorry but deal with it. The Patriots won 3 SB titles and had a better winning percentage than Pittsburgh. The discussion ends there. Spygate happened, but so did the Steelers steroid use in the 1970s. Sure steroids were legal back them, but that still doesn’t mean the Steelers weren’t able to gain an advantage by using them. It’s impossible to say how much of an advantage because no one knows how much of the rest of the league was using them, but it’s also impossible to say how much of an advantage the Pats gained by videotaping defensive signals. As I recall the Steelers defense dominated New England’s offense in the 2001 AFCC game and lost because of special teams miscues, poor QB play by Kordell Stewart and Jerome Bettis being in no condition to play coming off his groin injury.

I hate the Patriots as much as anyone and am a Steelers homer through and through, but the team that wins the most titles in one decade is automatically the team of that decade. The Steelers had their chance this season to make this a discussion piece, but failed. Now if you want to argue the Steelers are the team of the 2nd half of the decade (Similar to how 95-99 Denver is the team of the 2nd half of the 90s despite Dallas being team of the overall 90s) you might be onto something.

So just be happy we were able to celebrate two superbowl titles and be among the great teams of the last 10 years. It sure beats sucking in the 1980s and losing in the playoffs year after year in agonizing fashion in the 1990s.

by catesinator on Feb 16, 2010 12:47 PM EST reply actions  

Faulty Logic Alert
Sure steroids were legal back them, but that still doesn’t mean the Steelers weren’t able to gain an advantage by using them. I

So if Steroids were legal and EVERYONE else was using them, lets not get on dallas or oakland. That’s completely the same as doing something that was illegal and no one else was doing it………..
FAIL

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 16, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry klompus

that was meant for catesinator, i stopped reading after that sentence

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 16, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

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