Pittsburgh Steelers 2010 Offseason Positional Review - Offensive Tackles
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Age and 2009 Stats: 28 years old (1/10/82) - 16 games started, seven penalties and eight sacks allowed
Contract Status: Signed through 2012
2009 Analysis: For the first time since 2005, Starks started every game this season but that doesn't necessarily mean that he had a great season. Playing offensive tackle with Ben Roethlisberger is certainly no easy task but by all accounts Starks had an inconsistent season. After a spectacular first half of the season, that included very good games against the Vikings' Jared Allen and Broncos' Elvis Dumervil, Starks faded down the stretch, as did the Steelers team as a whole. He can still struggle with speed rushers at times but inconsistency seems to be the biggest problem and he's still never developed into the mauling in-line blocker that his size (6-8,345) would suggest.
2010 Outlook: Make no mistake about it, Max Starks will be the starting left tackle in 2010. Any hopes or wishes that he'll be cut are pipe dreams at best. He's still owed quite a bit of money and with uncertain contract situations across the rest of the offensive line, Starks isn't going anywhere. Maybe a new offensive line coach will help shore up some of the flaws or maybe a slight change in offensive philosophy will help but either way, sink or swim, Starks will be the starting left tackle as long as he's healthy.
Age and 2009 Stats: 26 years old (4/9/82) - 16 games started, six penalties and eight sacks allowed
Contract Status: Restricted Free Agent (Unless a new CBA is reached, in which case he'll be a UFA)
2009 Analysis: For the third straight season, Willie Colon started every game at right tackle and I think it's fair to say that this was his best season yet. While that's not necessarily a ringing endorsement, at least the uproar over whether he's even playing the right position has lowered to a dull roar. Colon was playing well enough early in the season to earn BTSC's Most Improved Player award and perhaps Colon's biggest improvement was in the running game. He at times looked like a very competent and complete right tackle, despite a new guy taking his first snaps at right guard. He's still not an upper tier right tackle and he can still struggle with speed rushers as well as defensive line stunts but 2009 was a step in the right direction.
2010 Outlook: Colon's future is pretty unclear but it's pretty safe to say that unless lightening strikes (aka a new CBA is signed) he'll be back as the starting right tackle for at least one more season. I would imagine that Colon's long term future with the Steelers is dependent upon how highly he views himself. Right now he's a somewhat young, highly experienced yet relatively inexpensive starter, but it'll be interesting to see what kind of contract he's looking for once he's an unrestricted free agent. If we can ignore the long term aspect for now though, Colon is the type of tackle that should benefit from an increased commitment to the running game and perhaps some continuity with his right guard will benefit both players in the future.
Age and 2009 Stats: 25 years old (11/4/85)
Contract Status: Under contract through 2010
2009 Analysis: For the second consecutive season Hills didn't appear in a single game.
2010 Outlook: Considering that Starks and Colon were healthy for each and every game you'd expect that Hills wouldn't have played a down, but the fact that he was inactive for every game might also be a tell-tale sign. His status as strictly an 'offensive tackle' makes his future somewhat limited and most likely tied to the future of Willie Colon or the drafting of another offensive tackle, but youth is still on his side for a year or so. It's probably to early to say that Hills is on the hot seat in 2010 but this year's training camp will be very important to his future with the team.
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Judging the play of Max Starks and Willie Colon in 2009 is about as difficult as it gets. Both tackles dealt with new guards and a quarterback that loves to hold onto the ball until the last possible second, or a full thirty seconds after the last possible second. In total both tackles had their highlights and low lights of the season but their future is more concerning right now. Should we expect better play from this pair in the future? Will a new OL coach help or maybe some consistency at guard or is the biggest problem simply their caliber of play?
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As is, we should be set for starting tackles next year...
Unless they move Colon to guard (just kidding).
We do need to find some depth though, and depending on the front offices long term plan for Fat Willie, we may need a future starter. Given the age of our two starters, and the contract status of Max Starks, keeping both would be nice, at the right price.
I still think we overpayed for Max Starks, but the offer was fair to Max, and competitive as far as the market goes. A new coach can do a guy wonders though, and it’s his opinions that will effect these guys most (looking at you Tony Hills… whenever you’re ready buddy).
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The Steelers are moving Colon to guard?
OMGG – I’m emailing the Bleacher Report immediately! Thanks for the heads up! ; )
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by momma rollett on Feb 9, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Was wondering the same
I’d think that’s a tough stat to nail down without actually rewatching them all.
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by count'em_six on Feb 9, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
in a round about way I got them from Stats Inc.
The actual site I gleamed these stats from was the Yes Network but they cite Stats Inc (pay site) as their source so I felt pretty comfortable posting them. LINK
adding depth is a must this offseason. regardless if it means a starting caliber player or not
someone is needed to be brought in to push hills for his spot on the team. it seems he’s only been kept around because of his possible long term potential to see if he’ll pan out. and having only 3 playable T’s is risky line to walk.
Max Stark's biggest problem...
would appear to be that,big as he is,he needs to get and stay in better shape. Most likely the reason for the fade…Maybe the new coach will help?
that's idea I hadn't thought of
It was the first time he’d played 16 games in a while and maybe he just ran out of gas. He’s always struggled with his weight and maybe he just started to lose the battle down the stretch.
Thanks CG!
I hope Kugler gets a fair shake….from all angles….., even if there isn’t marked improvement on the OL. It wold be great to see these guys overachieve next season.
Trai Essex
Wow I was just looking at the sacks given up by the interior lineman and that site has Essex only giving up 1.5 sacks on the season. This seems like a very low number for him. I remember him struggling in multiple games this season.
true
I am guessing unlike the D where the have to share sacks that Essex didn’t get the blame when he he failed to help the Center and Rt.
Depth is a key
OT is too important a position to pass up, and while Starks and Colon might be the starters for now, you can never have too many offensive lineman. And its not as though Starks and Colon are at a Pro Bowl level. I’d say draft someone in the 2nd or 3rd round, if they end up being better than one of the starters than the offense will thank you, if not they add depth and hope for the future.
Good analysis
Nobody should be under any illusions that the Steelers are set on the OL. A #1 pick at OT wouldn’t hurt us a bit.
Settle for mediocre?
IMO OT is a high priority in the draft. We can not be a dominate team with either of these tackles.
If Starks stays at LT, BB will get killed by the speed rushers. He is too big and slow to get down and contain the pass rushers.
Colon is average at best. The running game to the right side will never be dominate with him at RT. He has improved, but is better suited for RG.
Hills is a LT only. He is too small to play RT. Since he has not dressed, and can not beat out Starks his technique must still be a problem. In training camp he looked really bad.
We have lots of needs on both sides of the ball and it will take a few years to plug all of the holes. Hopefully, they make a committment to the OL this year.
The new OL coach will help, but he will not turn sh*t into gold.
by Steeler Nation VA on Feb 9, 2010 7:30 PM EST reply actions
Tackles are not that bad
First of all, we can be a dominant team with these two tackles; after all, we won a Super Bowl with them. Keep in mind that we can’t have above-average players at every position, due to the salary cap and other restrictions. It is possible to be dominant in many different ways while still having mediocre players in some positions.
Second, I don’t think Starks and Colon are as bad as you say. Starks did a great job against Dumervil, a classic speed rusher. As cgolden said, the problem with Starks is inconsistency, not lack of ability. Maybe coaching or conditioning will help. Colon has improved every year and is still young enough to improve more. He already an average starter playing for backup money. He could improve to above average—why not see what happens. I think they need more work on the interior of the line.
If Starks stays at LT, BB will get killed by the speed rushers.
Starks has started the last 30 games at LT (playoffs included) and BB is still alive.
Colon is average at best. The running game to the right side will never be dominate with him at RT.
If you look at Football Outsiders, the running game averaged 4.44 yards running behind left tackle/left end and 4.22 running behind right tackle/right end. Granted neither of those numbers are great but they’re both respectable.
Hills is a LT only. He is too small to play RT.
I think I agree that he’s a better left tackle than a right tackle considering that’s where his experience is and he’s supposedly much better in pass pro than as an in-line blocker. I’m not sure what you mean by being too small though. He’s only about ten pounds lighter than Colon and there are plenty of tackles that play in the 305-310 range.
Again I’m not really trying to say that OT isn’t a big need or that the Starks/Colon combo is the best thing since sliced bread but to that their all “sh*t” is a bit harsh. They’re put in a lot of tough situations (injuries at both guards and an offensive scheme that doesn’t help them) and even though at times they struggle, I think we can win with them.
Essex is depth at T
The reason Hillis was not even active on game days was that Essex was the primary backup at the tackle position. There were occasions last year when Essex slid over to tackle when Starks or Colon needed a few plays off. In previous seasons, Essex has started games at tackle and acquitted himself well.
We have reasonable depth at tackle as long as you consider Essex. I would prefer that the team find a better starter at RG and use Essex as the primary backup for all OL positions.
yeah but
you still comfortable with only 3 “playable” tackles on your roster?
Essex, Hills, Colon, Starks
That’s 4 right? or are you saying Hills is unplayable?
by Steely McSmash on Feb 10, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
as of right now, hills isn’t playable IMO. if he was, then the steelers would’ve dressed him when essex (first line backup tackle) was starting at G, but they never did. plus there were reports that he wasn’t doing well in training camp last year.
maybe he’ll improve in the offseason, but maybe he won’t and that’s why the steelers NEED to get someone who will push him for his spot in case hills doesnt come through.
very true about Essex and I almost listed him in this breakdown but
since he started an entire season as guard, I figured it would be more accurate if we listed him as a guard. I’m sure though that if Starks or Colon were to go down that Essexx would have probably been the first backup.
On sacks allowed, I think that JJ Cooper over at NFL Fanhouse did an exhaustive study a few weeks back. The result was that Starks and Colon graded out pretty well. Starks gave up some sacks, but most of them were after more than 3-4 seconds of Ben holding the ball.
I think they need to upgrade C, RG, and LG (Kemo while good, has a hard time figuring out who to block when the defense blitzes) before they mess with the tackles. But of course if they don’t sign Colon to a long term deal they could pretty easily get his replacement in this draft.
You’re telling me that Willie Colon had no sacks atributed to him??? He improved, but not that much. Trai Essex only gave up 2 sacks? come on which game did he only give up 2?
by Steeler Nation VA on Feb 9, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, noticed that as well. But I think Cooper does a good job with this list. You can email him about Colon, but maybe, just maybe Colon and Starks are a pretty good tackle combination.
also interested is that if you tally up the sacks "allowed" by Steelers blockers, it comes up to 22.5
so the guy writing it is essentially saying that 27.5 sacks were from playcalling/qb holding the ball too long
also
the sacks by everyone except for our running backs were well above the average time it takes for a sack. the o-line men are giving ben an average of 3.5 seconds+ ?
Another Great post CG
I defended Starks in the past, and I still think the signing was ok. It is hard to get a great LT, and I didn’t think the Steelers would have the year they had where they could maybe draft one. He is smart, but does appear to take plays off. What I can’t tell is how much his play declined once Kemo was playing hurt. He had a good start in the year, but it did decline. Was it playing next to a rookie?
Colon is the big question. I really think this draft will help point us fans to the answer. It was Z and BA that called Colon a great tackle. I thought he improved but was still avg. He will be back and starting because of money and experience, but if the Steelers draft a 1st rd tackle?
very true about Colon's future
We also might learn something before the draft if the team decides to sign him to a multi year year deal instead of just tendering him for another season.
Personally I do think that having just one "pure" T as replacement and somebody that could do
a “patch” job mean We are thin deep. Or maybe having any player hurt, We´re (again) in deep sh*t.
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Couple of thoughts
First, I noticed a few weeks ago that every one of our 50 sacks this season were on Ben. The one game that he missed, Dixon was not sacked. Also, I know we were talking about how earlier this season Ben had 6-8 seconds in some cases before getting sacked. So, I have to say that I think these guys are ok. That said, if we pick up a stud OT in the first round, that makes Colon expendable (if not this year, then certainly next). I would have no problem with that at all.
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 9, 2010 10:28 PM EST reply actions
Doubt we draft a Tackle 1st or 2nd round
Doubt we draft a Tackle 1st or 2nd round
I don’t see us drafting a tackle in the first or second round because as mentioned we have our starters for next year and young guys (although unproven) to back them up.
65 Kraig Urbik G 24 6-5 323 R Wisconsin (I believe his best at RT and hopefully can push Colon)
74 Willie Colon OT 26 6-3 315 4 Hofstra (Starter good enough)
79 Trai Essex OT 27 6-5 324 5 Northwestern (R & L Tackle backup and that’s it)
73 Ramon Foster OT 24 6-6 325 R Tennessee (Rook that got some playing time at G. Need a breakout season for him as a backup)
66 Tony Hills OT 25 6-5 304 2 Texas (should be ready after 3yrs in the NFL. It takes at least 4 years to develop a good linemen that’s not a #1 draft pick)
78 Max Starks OT 28 6-8 345 6 Florida (Starter good enough)
Looking at the age and years of experience, the tackle position can be left alone for a couple years. I’m not against finding a steal in round 3 but these men are professionals and all need to step up their level of play, ALL! I’m hopeful just as the org is that the new line coach will help develop our young talent and squeeze the best out of the starters. Pushing Colon and Starks during training camp is what the youngsters need to do this year. All will improve if they keep it competitive. The strong gets stronger when looking over your shoulder trying to keep the next guy from taking your job. Developing the talent we have is best for us at Tackle. Hopefully the new O-line coach will go into camp stressing no one has proven to be a starter until we find the best five O-linemen working the hardest this off-season into the pre-season. That will get some attention and some serious comp. The youngster will believe they have a chance and the starters will have to earn the right to start this season and in the future.
On the other hand our interior line is the biggest question mark. I’m not at all comfortable with both guard and center position. Regardless of Big Ben holding on to the ball too long there MUST be a better pocket formed from the inside out. If a QB can’t step up in the pocket his chances of getting sacked and lack of success on 3rd downs will happen as it has since Hartings ©, Faneca (LG) and Simmons (RG). If it was not for Big B’s heroics we could have finished worse than 9 – 7.
Inside linemen are just as important on running downs as well which explains the 3rd and short situation. Fans talk about Bruce A throwing on 3rd and short but he has been left no choice because of a lack of push from the interior linemen. Mandenhall got most of his yards on effort and talent. When you have to spin before reaching the line of scrimmage that’s a problem with interior line play more than anything. When you have to break tackles, spin or carry defenders for positive 2 or 3 yards that’s a problem with interior line play. Emmitt Smith walked through holes leading up to being the leading rusher in history. That’s because his Center and Guard play was outstanding for years. The list below shows no promise at all to me:
62 Justin Hartwig C 31 6-5 312 8 Kansas (just not getting it done)
64 Doug Legursky C 23 6-1 315 1 Marshall (should be starter or challenging if he’s any good. Beating out Hartwig should not be a huge task)
61 Jared Retkofsky C 26 6-5 260 2 Texas Christian (long snapper)
60 Greg Warren C 28 6-3 252 5 North Carolina (long snapper)
68 Chris Kemoeatu G 27 6-3 344 5 Utah (great run blocker but not so good of a pass blocker)
72 Darnell Stapleton G 24 6-3 305 3 Rutgers (too small to play RG should go back to center and challenge Hartwig and Legursky)
65 Kraig Urbik G 24 6-5 323 R Wisconsin (should be able to beat out any starting RG if he’s any good this year)
Once again my opinion is NT 1st round and C/G 2nd or 3rd round. I’m not sure 2nd or 3rd because there’s still a need at Safety. I rather pick a C/G with the 1st round choice unless there’s a top safety that’s a must have. Then I would say 2nd or 3rd round for C/G.
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Agree completely
We tend to focus on the T’s given the travails of Colon and Starks, but they are definitely ‘good enough’, not outstanding but definitely above average for the position. I tend to disagree on Kemo, especially given the injury troubles he seemed to have, and think he does not need to be replaced either. Now, to my mind, Hartwig and Essex are the two weak spots. We have Stapleton and, maybe, Urbik to fill those gaps and provide competition, but I would much prefer a stud C or G over a stud T for this team. By the way, to me it would go C, then G, then T on the list of needs.
The more I see Pouncey, I just think he would be an excellent choice. Obviously, not everything has stayed constant, but after the loss of Hartings, I think our lineplay has definitely deteriorated. I remember a few games where Hartwig blocked nobody, i.e. he misread the blitz and left a gap up the middle. Not an expert on offensive lineman, but that would seem to be one of the few cardinal sins. Not to mention, picking up Pouncey would leave us our 1,3 and 4th to pick up critical youth on the defensive side of the ball and still hopefully have a line next year of: Starks, Kemo, Pouncey/Hartwig, Stapleton/Urbik, Colon. That definitely is looking rather decent to me.
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
The problem is Pouncey isn't rated a 1st rd slection
And the Steelers normally don’t reach. And he definitely won’t be there for us in the second.
I think Iupati in the first is probably the way we go, followed by safety/NT, and in the 3rd, NT/OLB/ILB/depending on who we pick earlier and who is available.
I getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
by Steel in FL on Feb 10, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
True- My thoughts are...
that if McClain, Haden, Berry, and Williams are not available, then we trade down from 18 and try to pick up some more picks in the 2nd and 3rd. For me, it is a decent fall from Williams to the other NT. I probably would prefer seeing what kind of trade would require to move to around 12-15 and get one of those, if available (ok, clearly not Berry). If not, I would rather have multiple guys with 2nd- and 3rd-round grades, then take Iupati at 18.
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
I think that with some better coaching and conditioning
both Colon and Starks become very good, if not excellent contributors on the line.
This article claimes Colon allowed 4.5 sacks, and that 2 of them were when Ben held the ball for over 4.5 seconds
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/01/29/colons-better-than-most-steelers-fans-think/#cntnt
Our "O" Line is not that Bad
Given the fact that we had a 4000 yard passer and a 1000 yard rusher, I would say that our line was “not that bad”. Also consider the fact that a lot of those sacks were because Ben held the ball too long. Granted, he avoided some sacks because of his strength and durability.. I think that bad play calling or utilizing the wrong personnel on “3rd and short” was our big problem. Our need is a strong fullback who can be relied upon to get those 2 or 3 yards (am hoping that Frank Summers will be that FB).. Ben was VERY reliable on “3rd and 1” when he ran a Quarterback Sneak. The problem with our offense was that there was not enough versatility in our play calling. We needed to utilize Dennis Dixon to either run it, throw it or be a decoy. Also occasionally let Hines Ward (an ex QB) throw a few passes to keep the defenses “honest”. We have a VERY good team, so let’s put this past season behind us and have a good draft.
So if I'm reading between the lines here, and please correct me if I'm wrong,
Hills is just on the roster as filler? I hope that we’re all missing something, because if he’s getting paid as a roster player, yet can’t even get dressed on game day, then that’s a huge mistake. Put him on the PS, release him, whatever, but let’s move on….
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