BTSC Daily Six Pack - Your Basic Xs and Os Edition
IX- Looking for some of the NFL combine numbers posted by this year's crop of players? Steelers Depot has done a good job of keeping track of the numbers and providing them to us. So far the best Al Davis time 40 yard dash time I've seen was from Jacoby Ford, the Clemson WR, with a blistering 4.28. Additionally, I heard one of the best combines has come from my fellow Maryland alumnus, Bruce Campbell. He was one of only 2 OL to run a sub-5 second 40, did 34 on the bench, and put up an insane 32 inch vertical for a very big guy. Lastly, irony was dealt a royal flush when Tim Tebow put up a 6.66 on the 3 cone drill.
X- Former Steelers Offensive Coordinator, Ken "The Whiz" Whisenhunt, just signed a huge contract extension with the Arizona Cardinals to remain their head coach. We are talking about $6 million per year. I mentioned in a previous BTSC Six Pack that the Rooneys will most likely be looking to extend Tomlin's contract pretty soon. In any case, I wonder if Whiz's new big deal will have any impact on Tomlin's. After all, Tomlin was coaching the team that beat the Whiz lead team in Superbowl XLIII.
XIII- When I first came to BTSC back in early 2009, I knew relatively very little about the game of football. I was the average fan who knew the majority of the active Steelers and rooted hard for the team. However, I knew very little about defensive schemes and offensive systems that teams utilize. After reading the stories, fanposts, and comments for a solid six months or so I have learned a ton. It took awhile, so I decided to collect some articles on defensive schemes as sort of a "beginners guide" to NFL defenses. 3-4 vs 4-3 and Cover-2 vs Man-to-Man. A very lengthy break down by the guys of FootballGuys.com on NFL defenses. Many people hate on Wikipedia, but I think it is a great source for basic knowledge. Here is their stuff on NFL defenses. And lastly, I am not an avid Madden player, but it is a great place to learn the basic defense formations, zone schemes, and blitz options. If you have a good guide to NFL defenses please share them in the comments!
XIV- I just realized that NFL.com has a live feed of the combine. Better late than never! I just checked it real quick and they were doing some drill with group 8 of the defensive linemen. If you have nothing else to do this could be a good time killer.
XL- Almost every single free agent (or potential free agent) defensive back has been offered up as a cure to our secondaries woes. I say almost every, because no one has recommended Adam "Pacman" Jones...until now. ESPN is reporting that Jones is going to be working out for NFL scouts down in New Orleans. Why shouldn't the Steelers raise an eyebrow in his direction? He would likely be very cheap and he has not had a run in with the law since October 2008. If he doesn't look rusty, I must assume he can cover better than William Gay, right? I am going to play the devil's advocate on this one and support the idea, despite the fact that I do not actually want him on our team.
XLIII- Well the 2010 Vancouver Winter Olympics came to an end last night. The last event of the Olympics was the long-awaited gold medal hockey final. If you were not aware, team USA took on team Canada, which turned out to be an epic game. Trailing, 2-1 with 20 seconds left, team USA's Zach Parise slid a puck past Canada's goalie to send it into sudden death OT. Unfortunately, Canada took the gold medal as Pittsburgh's own, Sidney Crosby, put in the game winner about 7 minutes into the first OT period. Personally, I am a Capitals fan, but I am curious how all of the Penguins fans, but USA citizens, felt as Crosby helped Canada steal gold from USA's grasp.
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Crosby’s Visa, green card or whatever he has, benedict arnold, lol jk I don’t care too much about hockey or the winter olympics at all.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
Sid the kid is hockey Jesus here in Canada
Man, woman, old, young, rich, poor white or black Canadians were all united in their joy. Take care of our boy Sid in Steeltown.
Sid = Hockey Jesus In Pittsburgh
as well… Glad he’s finally 22 and can go have a beer to celebrate all his success.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
Thought Lemieux was hockey Jesus
or was he hockey God so that make’s Crosby the Son?
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Mar 1, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Hockey God
Would have to be The Great One
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by John Stephens on Mar 1, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, yeah, how quickly I forget
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by chewiesteeler on Mar 1, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
18 here in quebec!
Great game. I got all liquored up and watched it with my uncle and grandfather. I finally became a true Canadian by caring about a hockey competition that wasn’t the Stanley Cup playoffs.
the dude abides.
The man is great
but Ovekchin might be better
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 1, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Ovechkin could be better
however, he plays out of control. If he wasn’t so concerned with flying around the ice and clobbering people, he’d be the best in the game.
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by chewiesteeler on Mar 1, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Hard to argue he isn't the best this year
He missed a considerable stretch of games, yet he leads in points and plus/minus, tied with Crosby in goals and is 6th in assists.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by John Stephens on Mar 1, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I find it easy to argue about just about anything
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by chewiesteeler on Mar 1, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
The sky is blue
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by John Stephens on Mar 1, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
at night it's not .. .. ..
.. .. .. see, easy!
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by chewiesteeler on Mar 1, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Ha!
Touche
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-Bobby Knight
by John Stephens on Mar 1, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry
I just think he cries too much. That is NOT a Pittsburgh characteristic. There is no denying he is an amazing player. All that he has done and he’s only 22? Amazing for sure.
Having said that, I have to reiterate that I am a Flyers fan and its been rough sledding against the Pens for the past few years. That certainly adds to the bias.
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by chewiesteeler on Mar 1, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Grin & Bear It chewie!
I grew up when the Syl Apps, Jean Pronovost, Pierre LaRouche Penguins were being hammered by Bobby Clarke, Dave “The Hammer” Schultz and your Broad Street Bullies. What comes around goes around…
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
I hear you my man
I wasn’t old enough to remember those days so I guess that doesn’t provide much consolation. Plus, I don’t recally those guys being particularly whiney.
Anyway, I do have mad respect for the Pens organization. I don’t want to try and slaughter them here. I don’t really believe in the “2nd favorite team” concept but, I do root for them once the Flyers have been dispatched.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Mar 1, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Re: Crosby crying too much
Kordell resents that statement. Sure he was a sensitive guy, but he gave us some good times!
the dude abides.
The problem with a stats argument is Sid dominates games away from the three big stats. His work on the boards especially is huge, as well as the slickest passing in the NHL and much better awareness for the game than Ovie.
Ovie is the most talented scorer in the NHL no question, but that doesn’t make him better. I put them in a tie because I think their strengths equal out in the middle. In the end though, Crosby is the one with the big wins, so he gets the nod there.
Cup + Gold = Sid
I’ll take Sid and Ben. You take Ovechkin and Peyton.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
Crosby had a lot better of a team around him last year, and it clearly showed in game 7 of the series last year. You cannot hold team wins against OV when talking about the better player. Same thing applies for the Olympic games, considering Canada was the favorite going into the games.
Both are young, but I have a feeling at the end of their careers OV will have hoisted the Stanley cup more often.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by John Stephens on Mar 4, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
I hope not
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Crosby's linemates
Suck relative to Ovie’s. There was also a large stretch where Crosby was playing without his normal slightly below average linemates. That effects your plus/minus and points. Especially your assists.
Ovie also gets hidden on the defensive end because the Capitals have Steckel, a face-off expert as part of their checking line. Whereas the only good face-off guy on the penguins is Sid, who happens to be the best in the league. But this means Sid will be on the ice for face-offs in the defensive zone. This increases the likelihood of him getting scored on and decreases his time in the offensive zone, limiting his chances to get points.
Crosby has been the best player on two world class championship teams – Ovie hasn’t made it to a medal round or past the 2nd round of the playoffs.
Crosby>Ovie
Ovie hasn’t made it to a medal round or past the 2nd round of the playoffs.
So your argument is that Crosby was on a better team, so he is better than OV? Get outta here.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by John Stephens on Mar 4, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
I'm a Pens fan and a big Sid fan as well...
but yesterday, I hated him.
breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Mar 1, 2010 11:28 AM EST reply actions
Haha
Yesss!
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by John Stephens on Mar 1, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
When he got pinned against the boards before the goal
… something clicked, after watching the pens so often, that I began to feel that he was about to do something evil. First, and hopefully last, time that I can empathize with Caps and Red Wings fans.
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
i agree completely
i root for my team & i may like certain players on it but i’m a fan of the team not the players (not meaning i dislike the players, but you get the drift)
No on Pacman
Understanding the devil’s advocate angle of course. I had a feeling when I ran across this on another site that it would be brought up here. Trouble makers not welcome.
As for Crosby. As a Flyer’s fan, that goal was doubly painful.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
In all seriousness
I was trying to deflect any fanposts on Pacman. I hope it works.
And ditto on Crosby as a Caps fan.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by John Stephens on Mar 1, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Wonder how long it takes that celts fan
to latch on to that story and start clammoring for Adam.
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by chewiesteeler on Mar 1, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
as long as you without viagra
Bad Andy, Good Pizza.
by count'em_six on Mar 1, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
so at least 90 minutes then?
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by chewiesteeler on Mar 1, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Dom's?
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by chewiesteeler on Mar 1, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
possibly...
i’m pretty banged up from yesterday though…need water…
Bad Andy, Good Pizza.
by count'em_six on Mar 1, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Mary
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by chewiesteeler on Mar 1, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I thought today was Sunday
And I was looking all around my house for Lori thinking she slept over and just relocated because of my snoring. Finally realized she never slept over in the first place.
Bad Andy, Good Pizza.
by count'em_six on Mar 1, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Oh my you did get banged up
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by chewiesteeler on Mar 1, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Did anyone see
how utterly useless TO made pacman look in practice at the Dallas camp year before last. they showed TO putting a double move on pac man and just left him in the dust. Now as good as TO is, I do not want a cornerback who let a 30 something reciever absolutely embarrass him even in practice. It look like TO was facing a high school guy. Which Pacman has the maturity level of soemone in high school and probably lower than that. I don’t see how any team can give him his what? 5th chance? Just because he been in a padded room for the past year doesn’t mean he learned his lesson. Normally I’m all for guys getting a second chance, but this guy has abused his third chance, he had several intances with the Titans, and several intances with the Cowboys. I understand that he probably has nothing better to do in life but bag groceries but man there is no shame in that, do what you gotta do to make a living. Not that anyone was really suggesting him be a steeler but thats just my opinion on him. You can’t trust him. Hopefully the bengals will pick him up and TO. Lovely.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 1, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah but the Steelers need CBs
And he is a CB. Sign him.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by John Stephens on Mar 1, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Not worth the potential trouble
even if he is still good. Threre’s a reason he’s out there.
Thanks for the Xs and Os links….I’ll brush up
Good post Johnny!
I'm hearing rumors that T.O. may end up in Baltimore
Not sure I want him there.
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by chewiesteeler on Mar 1, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind it
Its better than them getting Marshall or Boldin. And better than them getting a young, speedy guy. I hope the Ravens keep their WR core ancient.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by John Stephens on Mar 1, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Good pack!
IX- Al Davis, Tebo’s 6.66, fun stuff there.
XIII- Looks like we arrived here about the same time. Thanks for the links so I can ketchup on the field knowledge.
XIV- Combine, sheez, sometimes I feel sorry for our scouts.
XL- Bait?
To try and fail may be unacceptable, but failing to try, is accepting failure.
The first 3-4 vs. 4-3 link is overly simplistic, mainly in how it says you’re either running a cover-2 or a bump-and-run coverage and the strengths/weaknesses section. We didn’t run either of those this past year. I’ve read through the second link and they do a very good job of explaining the schemes if you can make it all the way through.
I also agree that Madden is a good way to learn assignments and terminology. The strengths and weaknesses aren’t really very accurate in my experience, but it’s better than nothing. For instance, I’ve never been able to get a cover-2 defense to work right. The MLB and CB’s don’t drop far enough and the safeties don’t usually react to the ball very well, making 3 huge holes deep.
On Tebow: so the mark of Tebow is 6.66? Here’s an interesting dilemma: what if the scouting department determines that Tebow is the antichrist? Do you draft him for his supernatural abilities, or do you fear that his evil will destroy your team chemistry?
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Thanks for chiming in on the D stuff BadMaafala
I know you have one of the best football IQs of the talking heads around the board, so I’m glad you gave your opinion. I am in the process of reading the second article, which a friend recommended to me. Hopefully, I will know a good bit more when I get through it.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by John Stephens on Mar 1, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
I was particularly impressed with someone trying to explain the subtle differences between the 2 gap 3-4 (Parcells/Belichick) and the 1 gap 3-4 (Steelers). I’m still not sure I fully understand the assignments (particularly whether Hampton plays 2 gaps or 1), but it’s more information on the subject than I’ve seen anywhere else. It explains why the Patriots’ DE’s are 325 lbs and ours are 290-300.
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I don't think Snack gaps at all
Generally, he lines up directly over center. I could be wrong.
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by chewiesteeler on Mar 1, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Which is the cause of my confusion. What you just described (and generally what I’ve observed as well) is a “2-gap” technique, but we play a 1-gap 3-4. I’m not sure if he’s actually playing 2-gaps or if he’s shading slightly to one of the C-G gaps while still focusing on controlling the C.
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"Hopefully, I will know a good bit more when I get through it."
I need to learn how to recognize defenses from their formation so I can call audibles. That’s the next level of Madden for me. I know. I suck at Madden.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Couple tips
I’m not a pro or anything, but if you use motion, it shows whether the defense is in zone or man: if the CB follows your guy, it’s man; if the CB stays and a LB shifts over, it’s zone. Also, if one of the safeties moves up, you can pretty much guarantee it’s 1-on-1 coverage on your outside WR’s. Sometimes I try to go deep in those situations.
Drags, slants, and square-in’s (routes that have your WR’s going across the field) generally give your WR’s the chance to run away from man coverage. Zone’s a bit tricky, but a lot of times you can throw quick passes to your slot WR’s or TE as they run up seams in the zone.
Another trick is reading the safeties’ first step after the snap. In cover-1/cover-3, one is going to move back towards the middle of the field and one will move forward – meaning the corners are 1-on-1 on the outside. In cover-2, both will step back a little and toward the sidelines, meaning there’s a hole between them deep.
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Sidney
Liked the quote from Team USA player (and Pen teammate) Brooks Orpik;
“You never want to lose. But, if you’re going to lose, I’m happy Sid had success.”
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
Exactly how I felt.
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Mar 1, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
"I’m happy Sid had success."
yeah I guess Pens fans had it best out of everyone in the US last night. It sucked seeing that goal go in, but at least it was the Kid that was celebrating. Maybe more hockey fans will lighten up about Crosby now. He is pretty damn awesome.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
If you don't want....
Adam “Pacman” Jones on the Steelers,then why would you support the idea of them checking him out? As a just-in-case,maybe?
To deflect people from seriously suggesting the idea
Was my intention. As of now, I see no fanposts about it. Mission accomplished?
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by John Stephens on Mar 1, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
You must be joking.
There is no way to deflect stupid fanposts. I should know… : ) No matter how many times the issue of the day has been discussed. So when the fanpost goes up, just sigh and bow to the inevitable…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Mar 1, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I know
The worst ones were last year with Michael Vick…oye. I spent a lot of time shooting those ones down.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by John Stephens on Mar 1, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Heard a rumor that the Steelers have inquired about Vick
think I’ll start a separate fanpost
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by chewiesteeler on Mar 1, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
I don't have the time or energy this week
lol
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by John Stephens on Mar 1, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Let me rephrase my last entry
Think I’ll start a rumor that the Steelers have inquired about Vick’s availability. Ugh, actually, no I won’t.
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by chewiesteeler on Mar 1, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
If I had to hear about Mendenhall wearing a skirt one more time I was gonna navigate away from this site and not come back. For at least 10 minutes. That’d show em.
by Chicago Steeler on Mar 1, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Bittersweet Canada win
Happy for Canada. Good job on the win. Being a die hard pittsburgh fan, it was bittersweet seeing the game end the way it did. Sad that USA lost, but happy for Crosby.
Actually, I am also happy Canada won so we didn’t have to hear the comparison to the miracle on ice anymore. Seriously, this time around would have been nothing compared to defeating the Soviet Union amidst the Cold war.
by Steelerssuperbowl on Mar 1, 2010 1:28 PM EST reply actions
The only real similarity would have been
that both squads would have won in a year ending in 0.
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by chewiesteeler on Mar 1, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Was watching the combine a tad on Saturday.
Offensive Lineman were doing drills. Saw Iupati out there. He would look good in B&G. I suppose there is no way in hell he falls to the second round?
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Hopefully
there will be tape on his combine performance available online (like on nfl.com)
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Mar 2, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
I like Pacman
Due to my past criminal activities, I tend to root for the thugs. Pretty sure he’s got nothing left in the tank – SOMETHING tells me that he hasn’t kept himself in tip top shape. Still, sign him for camp, if he sucks, cut him.
Also, I’ll be watching the combine today to see how PSU LB Josh Hull does, ’cause he went to my high school! We are NOT a PA football powerhouse – the graduating classes have like an average of 100 people.
the dude abides.
When Sid scored
I yelled “damnit Crosby”
and suggested we kick him out of the Pitsburgh. My Uncle was like “no no no, we can’t do that, we need him.”
I suggested it for only a couple days, till he realizes what hes done.
He should be loudly booed
by the home fans during the first game back. If even for a sarcastic moment or two.
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by chewiesteeler on Mar 1, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Have to love the potential additional pressure
… this will put on Ovechkin. You know how he loves to hear about what Crosby has done that he hasn’t. As an American Pens fan, I choose to look at this from the perspective that it might cause Ovechkin to push that little bit more and, generally, feel uncomfortable, whereas Sid now has even greater confidence for those critical moments toward back-to-back Cups.
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
The experience and confidence Crosby has gained in this tournament will definitely help the Penguins
The kid is unstoppable. He’s so talented and so young! And he’s already shown he can go to the next level when a championship is on the line.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

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