Assesing Wednesday's 2010 Free Agent NFL Signings
by Michael Bean on Mar 11, 2010 7:17 AM EST
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Just some random thoughts from me on some of the free agent contracts that were signed on Wednesday. I should start by saying that I don't know the ins and outs of every last team around the league. So, I'm probably glossing over a key move or two that seems inconsequential but is probably in fact a great move on some team's part. For instance, it would be hard for me to correctly value the impact of a Mewelde Moore type signing for certain teams other than the Steelers. I was able to do so when Pittsburgh acquired the former Viking in 2008, but that's only because that's what we do as obsessed fans of our favorite team.
My thoughts are....
Wednesday's Action
Moves I Liked:
- The Baltimore Ravens re-upped veteran wide receiver Derrick Mason to a 2-year contract. Not sure of the terms, but they're frankly irrelevant. Mason is in many ways the heart and soul of the Ravens alongside Ray Lewis and bringing him back these next two years will do nothing but keep the organization competitive, familiar and confident that they can make a run at a Super Bowl.
- Good move by the Tennessee Titans acquiring former Philadelphia Eagles linebacker Will Witherspoon. The Titans nabbed him for a very modest price at 3-years, $11 million. Is Witherspoon a bonafide stud in this league? No, not exactly. But he's extremely durable and a very safe bet to yield solid returns on that kind of financial investment. Very nice pickup by Tennessee.
- Not much to say about this one, but nice roll of the dice by the Philadelphia Eagles acquiring former Colts DB Marlin Jackson. The former 1st Round pick has only played in 10 games the past two seasons, including just 3 games in 2009, but Jackson did prove he could play during his first three years in the league. He started 45 games in his first full three seasons in the NFL before succumbing to the injury bug in '08 and '09. He's still just 26 years old though. It's quite possible he strings together some very productive seasons moving forward. Considering the Eagles are only on the hook for one year (and likely not much money at all), you have to like the risk-reward position the Eagles are taking with this move.
Moves I Disliked:
- I don't think this is an awful move, and I swear, I'm not AFC North bashing just for the sake of it. But I really don't see the value in paying Antonio Bryant $28 million over 4 years. I don't know, I mean, the guy has a proven track record of staying on the field for the most part and putting up decent numbers. But he's only really posted one note worthy season ('08 in Tampa). He's also somewhat of a knucklehead from what I can surmise. Guess the signing makes a bit more sense then knowing what we know about Cincinnati. Anyway, I think the Bengals would have been better off paying Terrell Owens for 1 or 2 years then over paying Bryant for 4.
- Kevin Faulk re-signs with the Patriots for one more year. The versatile back has been with the squad since '99. Hey, believe me, I love loyalty in sports, but this move has the potential to hinder the explosiveness of the Pats' offense in 2010. By that I mean, when you have a proven commodity like Faulk - a guy who picks up blocks reliably, catches the ball out of the backfield, doesn't fumble, provides leadership - it becomes easy to feel content with what that type of veteran brings to the table. Yes, those kind of contributions are huge, but it's also important to note in my opinion, that leaning on guys like Faulk limits the big play ability of an offense. Faulk ain't Leon Washington, Darren Sproles ore Reggie Bush. I don't know. I just have seen a Pats offense that's really not all that explosive this past two years. They need more speed on that side of the ball. Bringing back Faulk seems like a subtle trap to me.
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I love to see what teams think can help them
this year your team are making moves in one last ditch effort to make it to the super bowl before the uncertainty of 2011 or you are keeping your salary as lean as possible in preparations for work stoppage. Either way we can tell which teams will expect to win this year and which teams think it will be nice to win this year. I am really surprise that you hear no noise from the redskins. I expect another sub-par year for them.
Usually there are only a handful of teams that legitimately challenge for the title in any given year. I think those number of teams digress even more this year. Clearly the Steelers are expecting to win this year with one of their more aggressive off-seasons in a while. I wouldn’t be surprised if FWP is signed and Larry Foote. I know Johnny_S is calling Willie now to tell him to sign back with the Steelers.
Baltimore just got better. If they can keep their aging defense at the same level they will be a force to reckon with. Hopefully though their defense will show signs of age, like ours did last year. They are seaming to have solved the WR problem. Anquan Boldin may not be a #1 but Derrick Mason has basically been carrying that part of the team by himself, and I do mean by himself. Some help is a big improvement for that team. The emergence of Kennen Lewis or Joe Burnett to develop into a #2 receiver is imperative for the success of our season. Although with the Steelers having Troy back, I’m not as worried.
The bungals are the bungals. What can you say? So instead of signing a neutered TO for 1 or 2 years. You sign a younger version of TO (pre-neutered) who doesn’t have the production value of TO. Lets ask ourself a question, why on earth would Tampa Bay want to give away its most talented receiver who is relatively young….. can we say RED FLAG??? But surely he won’t act up in Cincy, they have the locker room presence that don’t tolerate those shananigans and will show him the way to play. (If you didn’t read that with a straight face – don’t worry, I didn’t write it with a straight face.) They better make sure they coddle this guy or they are going to have trouble. The worst thing is to have two prima-donna receivers even though I think Chad is mostly harmless with his antics, this guy isn’t harmless and you mix the two together? Thats like mixing ammonia and bleach together.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
Sigh. When will outsiders lose this conception about the Bengals lockerroom.
There has been a cultural shift in Cincinnati over the last 2 years and I think you’re in denial to think otherwise. The lockeroom has grown up, and all indications are that Bryant, when healthy, is an extremely dangerous receiver. I think we’ll all be better off to reserve judgment on these signings until the season starts, but some people have already let their preconceptions and heuristic evaluations of players’ fits with teams mar their vision.
And some fans have wishful thinking
so it evens out.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
lololol
Sigh
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
I mean, you can have your opinion, but I don't get it.
The only two people I’ve seen knock the signing are this blog and a fanpost on the Baltimore SBN blog.
If you turn out to be right, fine. But I disagree.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Thats find if you disagree
you have your right to. It’s just that if you don’t see why the guy has went from the team he drafted, to the Cowboys, to the Bucs, and now to your team, then I don’t know what to say. Once is a mistake, 2nd time its a trend, 3rd time its just who he is. Like TO bounced around for a reason. Bryant is bouncing around for the same reason, only reason why it doesn’t get as much coverage is because Bryant is not as good as TO.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
At the same time, guys mature.
He was a young diva in Dallas, and clearly he wasn’t happy on a losing team in Tampa.
And at this age, Bryant is at least a legit #2. Owens is gonna be a 3 somewhere.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
And he wasn't happy
with the Browns or the 49ers, sooner or later a guy isn’t just going to be happy. Because he doesn’t want to be happy. He hasn’t stayed anywhere longer than 2 years. You don’t see that as a problem? In San Fran he was only there 1 year and they got rid of him.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Could be.
He was also on a bunch of really, really bad teams. If the Bengals can win games and he can stay healthy, maybe he’s more content. The coaches said they liked the man, and they were surprised with his intelligence and charisma. Maybe that’s a front to get a contract. Maybe it’s a sign of maturity.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
But see
thats the problem. if you have to win to be happy what is going to happen when you go on that 3 game losing streak, or a bump in the road, when you put volatile players in a volatile situation then you end up with an explosion.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
I hear Hines Ward blamed Ben Roethlisberger for a loss once.
It happens with WR in this league. NFL guys just are not consummate pros. They’re divas.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn't it a big deal?
Then a few days later Hines issued an apology. It was this season, I don’t remember when exactly. He questioned toughness or sometihng, threw him under the bus.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
UM
Hines said nothing wrong, the media blew that out of proportion, so no Hines didn’t blame Ben for anything
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
lol
or a PR blow up, when I first heard what he said, I didn’t think anything of it, then they cut back to the announcers and they made a huge deal out of it, you don’t want the media creating things aren’t there so you might as well nip it in the bud
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I think we’ll all be better off to reserve judgment on these signings until the season starts, but some people have already let their preconceptions and heuristic evaluations of players’ fits with teams mar their vision.
Sorry man but isn’t that kind of contradictory to everything a blog is designed to do. If we all reserved our judgment until things actually played themselves out on the field, this place and every site on SBN would be nothing but chirping crickets for the next four months.
Just accept the fact that everyone has an opinion and normally if you’re on a blog you’re going to thrashed with other people’s opinions. Sometimes you’ll agree and sometimes you won’t.
by cgolden on Mar 11, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Although the past is not indicative of the future
If you think that you won’t have to coddle Bryant, I think you’re delusional, there is a big reason why tampa was willing to let him go for NOTHING.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
He was franchised.
He’s not a RFA. He largely calmed down in Tampa and was upset that he was franchised with crappy quarterbacks in a contract year. Maybe he’s hard to handle, maybe he’s calmed down. I don’t think it’ll be that bad.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Well
they made sure not to make that mistake again, but explain his troubles with dallas and the team that drafted him? Like I said before talent like he is suppose to have doesn’t just bounce around the league.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Predictions are fine.
But tannofsteel84 is, in his above analysis, relying on 2-year old information about an unstable Bengals lockerroom, that has by all accounts matured miles beyond what it was before Mike Zimmer got here. This team dealt with two deaths last year and did a pretty decent job with it. Mike Brown may overlook character flags, but he seems to have a coaching staff that finally gets how to deal with it.
Opinion is fine – but I’m sick of the perception of immaturity in the Bengals locker room. It’s just not there anymore, and that’s not where you can make your judgment. The only other thing I want to note is that the other Bengals options were draft – more uncertain than Bryant, especially with our scouts (except last year, but that draft fell in our laps), Terrell Owens (can you imagine what you’d be saying about that signing?) and the REAL character issue guy, Brandon Marshall.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
No i'm relying on this year
You locker room is not mature in a football sense. Explain how at 7-2 you then go 3-5 and lose in the first round of the playoffs. I would think that if you had a mature locker room, you should have been able to seal the deal (not like Ben). But you didn’t, instead you get out played twice by a Jets team that you let in the playoffs. IMO a mature locker room team would have not let that happened.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
That's a decent argument.
The answer to that really lies in injuries to the defense. Not as an excuse, but the defense just was not deep enough to overcome guys missing time. The defense won the games early in the year, and the entire team fatigued late in the year. Part of that is maturity, part of it is coaching, part of it is teams learned how to exploit holes in our offensive line.
I mean, Mark Sanchez shredded the Bengals in that playoff game. That wasn’t supposed to happen. Is it maturity? Probably at least a little. But when I think of the maturity argument, I’m used to hearing about criminals and that’s what I thought you were suggesting.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
I don't consider them criminals
never really did, maybe tongue in cheek. But I believe that most of the players in the NFL aren’t criminals. They just have incidents likes most people their age with that kind of money do. But maturity is telling Chad to shut up and play, take off the fake HOF jacket and focus on the game. Its about coming together, chemistry, and oneness. I will admit Cincy has made strides in that area, but I don’t believe injuries to be something you can use as an excuse. We lost Troy but we still should have made the playoffs, there is no excuse to losing to KC, Oak, and the Browns.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
It's not an excuse, it's an indictment of depth.
Steelers and Bengals both lacked the depth to make up for injuries to key guys and as a result didn’t make the playoffs / faded down the stretch.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
In my opinion
there is no depth to make up for Troy but anyways that is neither here or there. Depth or not there should have been a locker room presence to win that playoff game. When it was all on the line they wet their pants. It may be the QB.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Red Flags
What conduct has Antonio Bryant ever done that’s been detremental to his team. I think the bad attiude assumtions are somewhat made up. Tampas management is in over their heads so I couldn’t consider any move they could or don’t make a red flag. I believe Bryant was an UFA, which means he could have been wanting out out too.
On a side note 28M for 4 years…thats pretty steep. I’m interested to see how the money is structured in that deal. This is the same organization that was playing hardball with Andre Smith last year andrefused to give him his slotted money.
by TheCommish on Mar 11, 2010 10:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mike Brown is an idoit
you can’t read through anything he does. There is no rhyme or reason.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Mar 11, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
What conduct has Antonio Bryant ever done that’s been detremental to his team. I think the bad attiude assumtions are somewhat made up.
He was cut/released from the team that drafted him, Cowboys, after he took off his jersey during practice and threw it in Bill Parcel’s face.
Does that count as detrimental to the team or just funny as hell?
He was also suspended for four games due to violating the substance abuse policy.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Mar 11, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Well
I think its a red flag for a guy with that much talent to be cut for nothing. Whether or not ‘Tampas management is in over their heads ’ shouldn’t matter if there are no red flags.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
he was franchised in 09
the Bucs are on record as saying that they do not want to sign players instead focusing on young talent for the long hall. It is pretty clear that Bucs ownership is dedicated to not spendig any money which is very sad. They aquired a below average coach and below average GM probably because they knew that they would take the jobs for less than average money as well.
I think the release of Bryat has a lot to do with money and not so much with attitude.
could be true
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
That was my impression.
But I only slept for 3 hours and I’ve been up since 3:45, so I’m not entirely cogent ;p
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
lol
get some sleep man
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
No, sir.
Finals week. And all my tests/papers are on/due on the same day.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
good luck then :)
I’ve been there.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Only one more quarter!
Then it’s off to the real world.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
and death ensues
I think as soon as you graduate that is when you start slowing dying……
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Hooray.
Back on topic for a moment. You guys are much more civil than I remember you – well, after a few posts anyway. I guess that’s your troll-proofing method.
Here’s an article from a Tampa paper on Bryant.
Bryant made nearly $10 million last season and at 29 years old would seem to be entering the prime of his career, a fact underscored by the four-year deal worth $28 million he signed Wednesday with Cincinnati after the Bucs told him to move on.
My friends, this is what it is has come down to: the Cincinnati Bengals are more willing to pay for talent than the Bucs. The Bengals, one of the cheapest organizations in the history of the National Football League, paid the man.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
It is
we have our fair amount of trolls. I could still argue that point, the grass is always greener, the Bucs could have decided this guy isn’t worth more than 4 years over 28 million. He may not even be worth that much with the headache. 7 million dollars for a #2 receiver? I don’t know the money part but that does seem like a lot.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
We paid Coles the same last year.
Bryant is earning 3million less this year. And we don’t know anything about the guaranteed money. And he’s supposed to be a #1 for a year or two.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Well
Coles was vastly overrated as you know by now. :)
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Well if you like this one there may be hope
I still will cherish beating the Bengals this year. I couldn’t imagine it being any different.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
You guys are much more civil than I remember you
It’s the good influence of the women on here. Or at least we like to think so.
(Some of the guys are now rolling on the floor. We women are pretty snarky at times, I fear…)
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Mar 11, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Amen to that!!! :)
"God blessed me with the talent I have." - Deebo
by steelersgrl on Mar 12, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Or start really living.
I think as soon as you graduate that is when you start slowing dying……
It’s up to you…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Mar 11, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
lol
ahh the momma’s wisdom always shines through. :)
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Or shines out of her rear -
according to taste…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Mar 11, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
now THAT's kinky
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Mar 11, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
You would notice…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Mar 11, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
How restrained of you all.
I can see that Arn is the go-to guy on this blog – saves you all a lot of trouble lol
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Mar 11, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Arn is always causing problems ;)
"God blessed me with the talent I have." - Deebo
by steelersgrl on Mar 12, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
and you ladies love it ;)
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Mar 12, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
at least we're entertained lol
"God blessed me with the talent I have." - Deebo
by steelersgrl on Mar 12, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
For crying out loud
Focus on what is important. You can always blog tomorrow. Get them papers done and ace those exams.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Mar 11, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Or you could be like me.
Drop out, marry a smart ambitious girl and become a stay at home father. It’s a nice life I must say.
by Phantaskippy on Mar 11, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I had my nap!
And I’ll be back to work in a few minutes. I’ll get everything done on time, don’t you worry.
I've graded a lot of term papers
like yours : )
Good luck…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Mar 11, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
this move has the potential to hinder the explosiveness of the Pats’ offense in 2010
I am not sure that the Pats offense is explosive at all anymore Blitz. Welker is likely out for the entire season. Moss is old and inconsistent. Brady is a shell of himself since the knee injury and at times seems disinterested in being there. That freak offense from 2008 is a figment of the past. The Pats are soft and the Jets will own that division this year.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
that would be nice
as long as we beat both of them.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
Jets are going to be tough
But we certainly have the depth at WR to beat them. However, we need a QB…
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
I think the most
he will get off, if there were any smoking gun evidence I think they would have already charged him, how did it take for them to charge Kobe?
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
2 days
Not sure if that was a rhetorical question, but I was curious so I looked it up: “encounter” took place on July 1st, reported on July 2nd, and arrest warrant issued on July 4th. However a single data point isn’t exactly strong evidence. If I were a police department and I was going to charge a major celebrity with a serious crime, I’d take all the time I needed to get all my ducks in a row. It’s not like he’s a flight risk or an imminent danger to society.
Assuming the rape kit shows that something (anything) happened, I don’t see how they possibly avoid charging him. Best case scenario at this point, is a Kobe like ending where Ben settles a civil suit (which will be forthcoming the second the charges are filed) and agrees that he “misconstrued” consent in return for the victim requesting charges be dropped.
Then hypothetically, I as a fan have to decide if I want to root for someone who is a “consent misconstruer”
by MadBlackAndGold on Mar 11, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
It wasn't rhetorical
I just wanted to know. It just nice to compare the two because there aren’t many to compare from.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
The Jets D was very good last year
and it will not take much for it to be measurably better this year. Much will depend on them signing someone like Sharper, getting a good DE in the draft and for Rex and his team to bring out the best in Cromartie. I think all three are very doable.
They really do not need that much for the offense. Sanchez needs to continue to mature, they need a 3rd running back* and another WR wouldn’t hurt but they are not too badly off with Edwards, Cotchery and Keller as the basis of their receiving corps.
*assuming Washington recovers and isn’t signed away.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Mar 11, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
i think with the return
of leadership like ARE will help with the O-line.
"God blessed me with the talent I have." - Deebo
by steelersgrl on Mar 12, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know about that Johnny...
Losing Welker is the biggest hinderence to their offense, no doubt. But Moss is coming up on a contract year, which is a proven boost to players performence, especially players who play for the money (“Straight cash homey”), plus he played through injuries last year too. Knee injuries, like Brady’s are normally a slower recovery, most players bounce back in their second year. I’m in wait and see mode. They’ll still be able to score in bunches until proven otherwise.
While I don’t think they’ll be the Patriots of ‘08, let’s be honest here, that was the best, most prolific offense ever. And even though in most areas the players are the same, it’s not a fair comparison.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 11, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree on Moss
I think he will have another “down” year. First, lets totally look away from the fact that Welker is gone and won’t be able to pull attention away from Moss (allowing teams to “double” Moss). Moss’s best weapon, especially under Brady, was his down field ability. In his prime, I believe Moss was the best WR at that point, to be able to create separation down field or just simply win jump balls seemingly every time. However, Moss has lost a lot of speed and the knee injury is going to hinder his jumping. I just cannot see him having a big year.
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
Fair enough...
I can’t disagree with that. I just wouldn’t count them out quite yet.
By the way, feeling a little crazy, and this thought popped into my head. What does New England do with “troubled players”? What does New England need offensively? Who’s available? Connect the dots. I doubt it will happen, but you can’t totally rule it out either. You know what I’m talking about, or more accurately, who I’m talking about.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 11, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Not Tebow.
Just thought I’d clear that up.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 11, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
BJ Spell...
I mean CJ Spiller?
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
T freakin' O man! :)
I don’t like TO the person, but I do respect TO the player. Is he what he used to be? (no) But is he still a legit NFL wide out who would definitely draw some attention away from Moss? Hmmm….
Not even the slightest proof they’re interested, but it would be interesting. Can TO choke down a bit of pride, grab a veteran minimum contract, and make a run at a title? If I was him, I’d have to think about it.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 11, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I’d think they’d be better off trying to get Dez Bryant. Or get a small speedy guy to be what Welker was…or at least partially.
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
wes welker is completely replaceable in their system.
if julian eddlemen continues to mature this season with welker gone, I think he’ll be cut from the Pats next offseason. Even in his first year going from QB to WR I believe he had at least one hundred yard game. He made a few mistakes but given more time to learn WR, he’ll be fine. I’ve always been a strong believer that Wes Welker is a product of that system that feeds him the intermediate-short routes all day.
Kevin Faulk is the workman of this offense. I remember watching the games in 08, and any time you thought you had the offense stopped – like a third and seven, or a third and 6 or something like that, you cover all the wide receivers and next thing you know Kevin Faulk has caught a 7 yard pass and barely made the first down.
I think you are going to have a hard time replacing a guy who lead the league in receptions (by nearly 20 recs) with 123 receptions with a guy who has had only a third of that in his career. Welker, IMO, is the best slot WR in the game…hands down. I don’t think there will be a seamless step into filling that void. Welker does catch a lot of quick passes, but its what he does after that catch that separates him from the pack. I don’t have the stats, but a 5.9 YAC has to be very high for a WR who catches a ton of quick slants.
Friendly wager that the jets finish a top that division?
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
I definitely think the Jets finish a top that division
unless Mark Sanchez has a sophomore slump when his rookie-ness was the reason they didn’t win the division last year.
Wes Welker does do things after the catch, but thats mainly a bonus. Julian Eddlemen will be able to do the things that I think the system is designed for Wes to do. I’ve always thought the purpose of Welker in the Pats offensive system is to a) provide a quick intermediate option for Brady when he’s getting rushed and b) do nothing besides annoy the hell out of defenses with 8 yard passes all day so that they can get Moss deep later on.
This is why I’ve thought that the Pats 08 Offense was a one trick pony. it seemed very predictable but the personnel were so good nobody could stop it. Feed Welker medium balls all day so you can get 4 or 5 over the top to Randy for 60 yard TDs. When they manage to stop that for a few downs hit Faulk for a 6 yard pass on third down and start over again.
Faulk would make them a 2 trick pony, no?
We will see I suppose, but I don’t think Welker’s absence will be unnoticed with Eddleman. And as I said, Moss ain’t the same Moss anymore at 33.
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
No, I definitely think their offense will look pretty pedestrian this year.
but I see what you mean about Faulk.
My projection for Eddlemen (if he is forced to play the entire season for Welker) is 70-80 catches.
Kevin Faulk, I celebrate team/player loyalty
I see this as a good signing for the Pats, because he has proven to be able to block, catch and run and keep the ball. He has proven himself as a winer, these other guys have not. I would want to Steelers to keep a guy like him.
by Rickfansince76 on Mar 11, 2010 11:19 AM EST reply actions
Bryant, I agree
I could see 2 years $6-8million
by Rickfansince76 on Mar 11, 2010 11:20 AM EST reply actions
i’m personally more afraid of antonio bryant signing by the bengals than i am of the boldin signing by the ravens
I kind of think that's silly.
Why?
They’re both good players, and Boldin has been better throughout his career. Please explain.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 11, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
I said this on the Baltimore blog too.
Bryant is a stretch-the-field guy that demands defenses pay attention. What do you do against Baltimore? You take away Boldin or Mason on any given play, take away Ray Rice, and force the other guy to beat you. Mix it up from play to play.
With Cincinnati, IF (big if) Matt Jones can still run fast, the Bengals have 3 guys that can stretch the field on you. Bryant just brings back the vertical game for the Bengals, hopefully (probably not) to 2005 levels. Boldin just adds a legitimate intermediate option for Flacco.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Who is the route runner?
You can’t just tell everyone to go deep on each play, you need a guy who runs routes well to get you those consistent first down, a possession receiver if you will.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Ochocinco is one of the best route runners in the league.
Antonio Bryant has also done a pretty good job over the years in terms of first down receptions per reception.
The other reason I like Bryant is that he has one of the highest averages per catch in the league.
I think Ochocinco and Bryant can both be reliable 3rd down guys. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Bengals go after a guy like Eric Decker in the draft, or maybe they end up drafting Gresham or signing Chris Baker for a 3rd down role.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree
I’ll tell you this much it will be interesting to see Bryant play with Ocho, he has never had to play second fiddle.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
well not since he was a rookie
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
And he won't this year either.
Bryant will be a #2 and Chad’s gonna have to realize he’s getting old.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
really
Wait so is Bryant going to be #2 or Chad or is there 2 #2?
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
But chad is getting old right
will he age like Hines or like Torry Holt….. once taht speed is gone, he’s useless…
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
He was still productive last year with a bunch of garbage going on in the passin game around him.
Chad can run routes. He doesn’t need the speed if he can beat the jam and cut on a dime.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
His speed is the reason
he can beat the jam and cut on a dime, you can cut on a dime, if you are slow doing it then it doesn’t matter
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Then how does Hines Ward get open?
How did Jerry Rice get open? How was TJ Houshmandzadeh so effective?
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Ward
never had speed….. so he didn’t have to use it to learn how to get open
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
I think Chad can adapt.
He’s always been one of the hardest working, most meticulous guys in the league.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Eating
his big macs….
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
What?
Ward never had elite speed, but he outran plenty of CB’s in his day.
And Chad has learned a lot about being a WR, just like Ward did. Good football IQ, good hands and toughness will get you a long way.
by Phantaskippy on Mar 11, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
So if Bryant is 2
he’d have to play second fiddle…. that may be good it may not be we don’t know, I dont think it will be good though.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I think he misunderstood your original comment...
I think he was thinking you meant Chad Johnson as the second guy. I don’t know though.
But I don’t think you’re very familiar with Antonio’s career. He has never been a true #1 guy, despite what a depth chart says. He’s only had two 1000 yard years, and only three years catching 50+ passes. He even sat out of football for a season because no one wanted him. I think a guy like him is happy to play at all, despite his past in Dallas, which was really nothing that major anyway (a lot of players have had issues with the Tuna, he’s not necesarilly a player’s coach). How well he’ll do in Cinci is up for debate, but he’s not a larger than life ego guy, from what I’ve seen.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 11, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Well
I know that but I was confused to what he was trying to say.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I think the confusion ran rampant in that discussion...
Not you, but the whole time. I asked one question, which turned into another in his eyes, which lead to multiple questions about just about everything except for the original quetion to t1mmy10… I dunno. I could be misinterpretting his misunderstanding of your origianl response too.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 11, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Me too.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 11, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Not a players coach?
Maybe not every player’s coach, but I bet some cold cash that you could find plenty that said he got them ready for the game and would say he is a player’s coach.
I'd play my heart out for the Tuna...
I’ve always liked the guy. I guess how I should have worded it was as you did, he’s not every players coach. I assume his personality can rub some the wrong way.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 11, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
He's old school
And some people can’t take that. He and Bobby Knight are essentially the same person.
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 11, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Take away Boldin, Mason and Ray Rice and you can beat Baltimore.
Okay, do it. Seriously.
Mason caught 70 passes for 1000 yards last year. Boldin caught 80 for 1000. Ray Rice is coming into his own, and in my opinion, has the ability to put up LT numbers, both rushing and receiving, in the same offensive system LT did it in. You can say just stop them, saying it is the easiest part. Doing it will be another story.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 11, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Take away 2 on any one play and make Flacco guess.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
You're not going to sell me on this one right now.
Both offenses have improved, no doubt. But the question I posed referred to him being more worried about Bryant than Boldin, not whole receivng corps.
Bryant, alone, does not worry me as much as Boldin, alone. I was looking for his reasoning behind the opposite. Whether your group is better than theirs, in this case, is irrelevent, although, it is a discussion I’d like to have.
I still believe my point is valid. Saying you can cover two at any time is easier than doing it.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 11, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno. Boldin is the more accomplished receiver.
But if you look at some of Bryant’s highlight reel, he looks like one of the best in the league sometimes. Obviously they’re highlights.
Maybe the fear is that Bryant stretches the field, whereas Boldin is more of the reliable slot guy.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
If you take away 3-4
threats of an offense you beat every team in the league… so it is easier said than done.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
You said 2
but named 3 guys….
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I said take away 2 and make him figure out which 1 is open.
And with that 1 option not taken away, you still have one guy accounting for him, so there’s like a 20% chance of success on any one play in this terrible model of how to play defense :)
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
True, I think you see my point though.
You can say it, it’s okay… individually, Boldin is the better player. Fortunately for you, football is not a solo sport.
Your point, that as a team you could be better, has some merit, I will give you that. You may have to sell me more, but it’s plausable.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 11, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
how bout this
Flacco = Palmer
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
If Palmer doesn't get back to his pre-injury form, maybe.
Flacco isn’t as smart as Palmer thoguh.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Pre-Injury Palmer
was a little over-hyped don’t you think, they had good success in the regular season if one division title is what you call good success but thats it
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
He had a couple of really outstanding years.
But there’s no questioning that those teams (particularly on defense) were pretty incomplete.
’05 Bengals offense and ’09 Bengals defense, IMO, is a Superbowl team.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
you've had a couple of those but Joe Montana
got his way
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Mar 11, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
What a jerk, right?
TWICE? I mean, come on guy.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Sort of like Elway to the Browns
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Mar 11, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
doesn't work
take away boldin and mason, he’ll drop it off to ray rice
take away mason and rice there is always boldin
take away boldin and rice You know there is mason…..
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Well, not if you cover them.
Just kidding jsl413, kind of.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 11, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I mean...
If an NFL defense can’t take away 2 players on a given play, there are problems. I’m not saying Baltimore won’t score points – obviously that’s an improved unit – but Boldin doesn’t make them a juggernaut.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
if boldin doesn't make th em a juggernaut
how does bryant make cincy one, since Bryant < Boldin
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't say it does.
But at least there’s someone to take some attention off of Chad. Something to force defenses to re-think stacking the box. It just restores some balance to a team that relied too much on the run last year and couldn’t complete a deep ball when it needed to.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Not for us
I think Ike basically owns Chad all we need to do is play single high, Shadow troy over bryant side, leave Clark to play the short in route, and timmons can keep up with your tight end or running back… :)
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Chad gets blanketed and bracketed pretty much every AFCN game.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
So you think this will change that?
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe, maybe not.
At least Carson will have someone besides 5th and 6th string TE to throw the ball to in that situation.
I think, based on your opinion of Bryant, you might be surprised.
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
We will find out!!!!
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Any defense can take away two...
In fact on every play, every defense does take away two. Every play. The problem is that normally there are between 3 to 5 receiving options. Which brings us to the point you’re arguing. If you take away two, and make Flacco “guess” you can beat them. Well, first off, he’s not going to guess. He’ll have other options to look at. Heap (or what’s left of him at this point in his career), McClain, Donte Stallworth (who is the forgotten man in this discussion, mostly because no one is really sure what he’ll bring to the table), or another WR (Mark Clayton or who ever they’ll trot out there as their fourth option).
If you can stop two, if, then you have to try and stop the rest too. Then it comes down to Flacco’s ability to read the field.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 11, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
or
his ability to see through the brow :)
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
But if you’re a D-Coord, don’t you want to force those lesser guys to beat you?
by Jake Liscow on Mar 11, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
True...
And they can, if you let them. We got burned by lesser quality receivers far, far too often last year.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 11, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
lol didnt expect my statement to start such a debate
i’ll only reply to you since a ton of other ppl said things.
they obviously will both improve their team & both are solid players.
BUT 1) bryant is less injury prone than boldin. bryant’s missed some games but boldin’s missed a lot of big games the past 3 years.
2) the ravens needed a deep threat WR more than a possession one like boldin. obv having a good WR other than mason will be big tho.
3) adding another playmaker wr to the bengals (yes, bengals ran a lot last year but i think palmer was still getting over his elbow & they were really missing housh) will have a bigger impact for their team than boldin to the very much run oriented ravens.
4) boldin’s been more productive than bryant in past years but he was playing next to fitz & on a team that threw the ball 40 times a game. bryant on the other hand has been by far the best wr on his team the past 4 years.
5) attitude. boldin wins in this category but not as much as most ppl tend to believe. even tho he has as a better attitude than bryant, boldin is still “me me me,” too. to back that up: his explosion on the sidelines against hailey. his refusal to admit he can’t play when he’s injured. and that whole contract situation where he signed an extension 2 YEARS before the end of his first contract then conveniently forgot to count the $10 mil signing bonus when complaining about his “base salaries of 2 million.” his real salary each year he was complaining was 4-5 million. so he may have been under paid by 1 million at the end of that deal but when the cardinals offered to increase his salary a little he wanted a lot more.
by t1mmy10 on Mar 11, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have to disagree with the Faulk asessment too...
While in some ways what you say is true, this line:
By that I mean, when you have a proven commodity like Faulk – a guy who picks up blocks reliably, catches the ball out of the backfield, doesn’t fumble, provides leadership – it becomes easy to feel content with what that type of veteran brings to the table.
Doesn’t that essentially sum up our last two offseasons (if not more)?
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 11, 2010 12:13 PM EST reply actions
Pro Day Results for ILB R. McClain & NT T. Cody
Per Gil Brandt of NFL.com:
Nose tackle Terrence Cody turned some heads by weighing in at 349 pounds—which is excellent news for the defensive lineman as he’s now down 21 pounds since tipping the scales at 370 lbs in late January at the Senior Bowl.
Cody ran a 5.64 and 5.62 in the 40-yard-dash, put up 22 reps on the bench (225 lbs) and recorded a vertical jump of 22.0 and broad jump of 7-9.
Linebacker Rolando McClain was the main attraction of the day as he missed all of the workouts in Indianapolis at the combine due to a hamstring injury. He weighed in at 249 pounds and ran a 4.69 and 4.68 40-yard-dash. In addition, McClain ran his short shuttle in 4.41 and his three-cone drill in 7.91. He posted a vertical jump of 35.0 and broad jump of 9-1.
In case any of U want to know, CB Kyle Wilson of Boise State at 194 lbs. put up 3 more bench presses than Cody did at at 349 lbs. I know McClain clocked at 4.6, but he plays a lot faster than that on the field from what I have seen.
Cody is starting to look better
which is disturbing and McClain worse (crohn’s) which is a mixed blessing.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Mar 11, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Rather have Williams than Cody
if given the choice .. .. .. which, of course, I am not being given .. .. ..
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
by chewiesteeler on Mar 11, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Cody's agent
is rumored to be the same agent Leon Washington is using. Keels or something like that. I can’t remember were I read that though it was today I found it. I am reading way too many blogs I think.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Mar 11, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Is that a bad thing?
I don’t know much about this Keels dude. Is he a DB like that what’s name .. .. ..
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
by chewiesteeler on Mar 11, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
He is blamed by the NYJ fans...
for messing up Leon’s contract renegotiation. Leon had been offered what the Jet’s fans had felt was a solid and fair offer and Keels is blamed for him not accepting it. Instead Leon played out his contract, broke his leg and now is a RFA with an uncertain medical status. Leon missed his payday and security of a long term contract because his agent felt he was worth more than perhaps he really was worth.
I think Rosenhaus (iirc… spelling may be wrong) is the only agent I have read worse comments about.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Mar 12, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
williams is more athletic . . .
. . . but in the 3-4 . . . i just am more comfortable with a big talented fat guy sumo-ing o-linemen around . . . but i agree, williams would be a fabulous pick!
the only problem with the big fat sumo-ing dude
is he could easily get too big fat and sumo-y then he’d be worthless to the Steelers. Cody is a beast, no doubt about it, but his seeming lack of discipline where his weight is concerned scares the bajeebus out of me. Granted, he is young, but, is it worth the risk?
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
by chewiesteeler on Mar 11, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
COME ON
THAT WAS A GOOD 1…PUSSBERG STEALERS!!!! BENGALS TO THE SUPERBOWL!!!!
Alright, dear,
we could hear you without your needing to shout. Now go back to the Cincy Jungle like a good boy…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Mar 11, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
No worries.
I try to judge people individually, not as a group…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Mar 11, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
That's because it's a troll account
It’s an account that (probably) one of your members uses to troll other sites. Think about it. It’s a Bengal fan that uses an account not associated to your site to troll. Then Bungle Jungle can say…“He’s not one of ours” Hmmmm maybe it’s you!!
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Are you drunk?
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
He has to be
He said Bengals to the Super Bowl
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Interesting as his last few posts are
for the miami site, not the bungals.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Mar 11, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Question
What happens every year after the Bengals make the playoffs?
Same thing that happens to the Steelers every year after they win the Super Bowl.
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 11, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
That was wrong...
but pretty funny.
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Mar 11, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
My guess he made that account
On the day of the Bengals Jets playoff game to annoy Jet fans. It’s an account he uses to troll. It isn’t even a member of the Bungle Jungle.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Well, last Friday wasn't really that long ago .. .. ..
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
by chewiesteeler on Mar 11, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry man,
you tee’d that one up for me!
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
by chewiesteeler on Mar 11, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
... or persiflage
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Mar 11, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
It's all Jest for fun
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Bengal Fan
Let me get this right. Bengals sign Antonio Bryant and then everyone parades over to BTSC to get a reaction. This means 2 things in particular. One, your cincy blog has such a poor turn out that you need to go to a division rival site to garner some actual buzz about your acquisition. Two, Bungel fan feels this move has put them over the top so trash talking must be warranted. While your team was hard balling with the heavily sought after TO and AB, you may have missed that two of your division rivals added depth along the receiving core and will be certainly entertained as the two leading choices for AFC champ. Couple other things to mention. Cincy made the playoffs last year meaning the Bungels are not due to make it back until 2019. Another is that the only thing the Cincy franchise is relevant for in the NFL is being irrelevant. Now Parade On!
Not sure who came over here besides me.
But everyone on my site is going to agree with me. Here, people debate and I get alternative perspectives. No need for the barbs at our blog. Myself and my colleagues work hard to keep content flowing. I haven’t seen any of our readers here, honestly, and where we do pop up it’s to defend ourselves since so many of you (Steeler and Ravens fans both) like to go after anything and everything the Bengals do.
No Bengals (how is bungel pronounced, Bun-jel?) fans think the move put us “over the top.” But we like it.
I'm really, really
trying not to go there with the “Bun-jel” lol
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Mar 11, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
More like the Jethro Tull
Bungle in the Jungle I think
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Mar 12, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Bryant overrated
Agree with you assessment of Antonio B., but not Faulk. Though perhaps not so explosive, Pats offense still puts up more points per game (ppg) than Steelers. If Arians can’t get Steeler O above 25-6 ppg. in 2010, he needs to go.
All this talk about Bryant stretching the field. . .
Can Palmer even throw a good deep ball anymore?
And seriously, the Steelers now have three legit deep threats at WR. So yeah, have fun with that whole if Matt Jones can still run, learns how to get off the line, learns how to catch reliably and can stay off of drugs you’ll have 2.
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