A peculiar start to the Pittsburgh Steelers 2010 offseason
Just a little more than a week ago I was preparing for two months of almost complete and total boredom. March and April is definitely not the most exciting time of the year if you’re a Steelers fan. Normally we would pick up a Moore or Fox and wonder how (or if) he would fit in. I also admit to not being much of a fan of the draft. I can understand how people get so amped up over mock drafts and the like, but the process, frankly, leaves me cold. I usually get my entertainment at this time of year, living where I do, observing the Redskins drive to the Super Bowl In March. But things have been relatively quiet at
So where is all this going? Nobody knows for certain of course, but speculation is our line of business in these parts. Let’s start with the bad news first.
Ben. All the information is not in yet, and I’ve been back and forth in my own head as to what to think about this. But as of now my gut tells me that this less of a bowl of crap that it appears to be at the moment. The franchise has survived worst. Really, you ask.
In 1973, a year before their first Super Bowl one member of the vaunted Steel Curtain defense got himself into a, uh, situation. Many of you reading may be too young to remember but the Steel Curtain was a legitimately rough bunch of guys. Mean Joe Greene terrified opponents and teammates alike when he was riled. John Elway faced Jack Lambert in his first NFL game and opined that perhaps it was a mistake for him to play professional football, and that he was willing to give back the money he was paid in order to not face Lambert again. Dwight White’s nickname of Mad Dog was well deserved. Mel Blount wanted to sue head coach Chuck Noll after Noll, speaking under oath in a court case acknowledged that Blount was part of what Noll had labeled a "criminal element" in the NFL. But the player universally acknowledged by players and fans as being the most intimidating of the bunch was defensive tackle Ernie "Fats" Holmes. He was a huge and terrifying looking man who gave the clear impression that one or more screws may be loose.
On this day in ’73 Fats, driving in
My guess is that Ben will be scraped but not scuttled by this incident. Unless they are completely convinced that he is a bad egg the Rooneys will stand by a member of their extended family (especially one with 100 million of their money in his pocket). Punishment from Goodell and the NFL will be minimal. Partly because they are hypocrites who are not going subject Ben to the same crap that they put on Vick or Pacman (you figure out why for yourselves) and partly because they don’t want to get into a pissing match with the Rooneys. The one thing that distinguishes Art II from his dad and granddad is that he’s a lawyer. And Dad (Dan) is out there ‘palling around’ with heads of state. Who would you put your money on? On the other hand Ben will have to learn that the price of fame and fortune is higher than he might want to pay. I think there is enough reasonable doubt in this case that his reputation will be tarnished, but little else of consequence will occur.
The AFC North. If you haven’t noticed the division is ramping up for war. Credit the Bengals for rising up and punching both the Steelers and the Ravens in the mouth last year. The days of getting two easy wins from a division opponent are probably over for the foreseeable future. All four franchises are making quality moves in order to get better and either achieve or maintain dominance.
Despite their slip this past season the Steelers remain the neighborhood bully and will continue to be so until someone else can a) consistently beat the B & G down, and b) make their own successful championship run; something that has only been accomplished once in the modern era. The
The other, more intriguing reason is this move to bring the old band back together. Not only are the Steelers not letting quality players leave, they’re open to bringing back guys who have flown the coop earlier. Very little of this has happened before. The most valuable aspect of it is leadership. Randle El and Foote (if they could get him) were known as strong personalities in the locker room. ARE, a quarterback at heart may be a stronger verbal leader than either Hines or Ben. Similarly, Foote may be more verbal than Farrior. Its not that these guys would replace or overrule anyone. They would amplify and reinforce any positions taken by the team captains. Unfortunately, as of this writing it appears that our chances of getting Foote appear remote. Wisenhunt is playing the same game at Pittsburgh West (
The other FA’s can all have some experience and connection with a current members of the coaching staff, share quality special teams background (definitely an area of need) and help create the environment of internal competition so necessary to hardening a team mentally.
More flexibility is there for our draft picks and UDFA’s. I personally favor defensive linemen and a running back if we could get Foote and Parker leaves, but I couldn’t really complain with a best player available strategy either.
We may be getting our first glimpse at what third generation leadership will look like with the Steelers (Art II, Colbert and Tomlin); more aggressive, more loyal, more willing to bare their fangs. What do you think?
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Wow...I actually had to check who wrote this halfway through reading it
For some reason it seemed to me like I was reading one of momma’s ramblers. :P
Anyway, Ben is a dipstick, and that is ALL I’m saying on the subject.
El coming back is very good to me. Veteran playmaker, and possible 3rd string QB, with leadership qualities. I don’t know who else I would want mentoring young Mikey Wallace than Hines and El, simply for the unselfishness, and toughness they display. Seriously, does anyone here think that TO or ochostinko would be good mentors to Wallace? Or anyone, for that matter…
I think Parker will poke around, find he won’t get that last big payday he wants, and resign with the Steelers for whatever they will offer him. Either that or flat out retire.
I like the Fats story. Why can’t we have loose cannons like that to cheer for again? It’s sad, but at the same time awesome, that the toughest player in the NFL today is a frickin’ wide receiver…That we get to cheer for him is the only consolation for my shattered dream of Bill Romanowskis, Ronnie Lotts, Lawrence Taylors, and Jack Lamberts making a resurgence in the modern NFL.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Based on that Miami game
I still say Parker has something left in him. I wish we could do a better job with a two back system, because I think Parker could provide us with something special if we used him right. And by right, I mean NOT UP THE MIDDLE. I swear when I see Arians run him up the middle I want to strangle him even more then usual. Parker can still be dangerous if he turns a corner.
We increased our offensive production by 1,000 yards but our points by only 3 touchdowns?
-Johnny_S
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Bungles
Tank
Stupidly like
Clockwork
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Every night at the club the girls screamed when he'd come
He stood six foot five and weighed 241
Kinda meaty in the face with a head full of stone
And everybody knew you didn't go to the bathroom alone around Big Ben
(Big Ben Big Ben) Big Fat Ben (Big Ben)
Of COURSE he still has gas left
but if he isn’t going to make what he wants, he may very well retire. I cant think of any team that needs a 30 year old, oft injured ‘speed’ back, who is going to want starter $ for a back up role. Which is exactly what he will be anywhere he goes, a back up/spell back.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Big Fat Ben song!
that’s the first time I’ve seen that! soo funny!!
"God blessed me with the talent I have." - Deebo
by steelersgrl on Mar 12, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Long time no see
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Mar 12, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
grad school has been getting the best of me! about done, though, so had to see what the BTSC peeps are up to!
"God blessed me with the talent I have." - Deebo
by steelersgrl on Mar 12, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
You missed a LOT of waves
By the way…go check out my panshot on college mascots
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Mar 12, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
i bet!
Sad i missed that bonding time with ya’ll!! ;) I have to look around and catch up with everyone lol
Will do!
"God blessed me with the talent I have." - Deebo
by steelersgrl on Mar 12, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
We have a tailgating team building comin g up too
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Mar 12, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
reheheheally?
is that for the new season? is there some thread I can check out?
"God blessed me with the talent I have." - Deebo
by steelersgrl on Mar 12, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I think this one
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2010/3/9/1364441/okay-folks-its-time-for-the-btsc
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Mar 12, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
i read through it
but didn’t see anything about tailgating?? or are we getting together to watch Johnny eat the TT?
"God blessed me with the talent I have." - Deebo
by steelersgrl on Mar 12, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
darn
I can’t remember which one
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Young man,
For some reason it seemed to me like I was reading one of momma’s ramblers.
you apologize to RickVa immediately! Then go to your room, and don’t come back until you can be polite to your friends! ; )
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Mar 11, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
I dont think Cincy will be a problem next year.
Of course, I am a well known Bungles hater. I withhold any praise for the Bungles until they prove next year they can be a consistently “winning” team, because in my heart of hearts, I just don’t think the changes they made will have that big of an impact, and I see another sad year of disappointing performance at the Jungle. The Ravens will continue their slide into oblivion as their aging defense gets another year older. The Browns might be worrisome in 2-3 years. But then, their the Browns so I’m not worried. (God I sound like such a Homer, but I really do feel this way.)
Ben needs to be locked in a cage during the off-season. Or maybe just stick to the weight room and practice field. I was willing to believe this was all another crazy money grab, but unlike last time, his story and reaction to the situation has left me more worried then hopeful. Last year, he gave that press conference where he seemed so irate at the situation that it was hard to believe it was an act. This time he gives some lame story about her hitting her head on the sink. I cringed when I read that excuse. The part of me that’s a Steeler fan is weeping at the thought of Ben being charged and imprisoned for some part or all of the season, but the rest of me thinks that if he DID do it, he deserves the punishment. I just don’t like the idea of having a convicted sex offender leading my favorite team when he gets out. I think dude just needs to stick to hookers, or if rough stuff is his liking, find some bondage club where he can pay to rough up some chick that actually likes it. SOMETHING.
As far as FA goes, I couldn’t be happier with ARE. I do think it’s nice to see Tomlin and crew getting comfortable enough to really start making waves with signings.
As long as Ben is still the QB, I really look forward to next year. Winning another SB would go a long way to repairing any PR woes Ben IS going to, and already has, incurred.
We increased our offensive production by 1,000 yards but our points by only 3 touchdowns?
-Johnny_S
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Bungles
Tank
Stupidly like
Clockwork
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Every night at the club the girls screamed when he'd come
He stood six foot five and weighed 241
Kinda meaty in the face with a head full of stone
And everybody knew you didn't go to the bathroom alone around Big Ben
(Big Ben Big Ben) Big Fat Ben (Big Ben)
Ben in the weight room?
From the looks of him he hasn’t seen the iron in a long, long time.
but he handles the wood regularly
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Mar 12, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Well someone does anyway
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Mar 12, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
A "no homo" statement not needed there
per internet by-law 110 2008 ver. 3 chapter 1 paragragh 1.3.
1.3 Unless personal involvement is alluded to in said statement, “no homo” not needed.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Mar 12, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Informative article, Rick...where are you in VA?
I’m in Manassas. Even though I love James Farrior, I disagreed with them resigning him for like 5 more years, I think. He turned 35 last month and his postion requires speed and agility and he showed us last year that he doesn’t have it anymore. This signing reflects the Steelers new thinking under Art II, and I know he was probably waiting for his chance to run the organization how he saw fit, but I would rather that we went back to the old system/ways. Keyaron Fox, at this moment is a better player than Farrior and would have been a great partner to Larry Foote or Lawrence Timmons. We should have resigned Foote to a deal and in a year let Farrior go.
The signing of Randle El doesn’t excite me at all and I watch Redskin football all the time. Maybe they didn’t use him properly, but the fact that he was cut from a very non-productive offense where he was the third WR doesn’t really say much.
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
I am more excited to see him back based on what he did as a Steeler
Then what he did at a dysfunctional club with no QB and the worst ownership problem since Al Davis.
We increased our offensive production by 1,000 yards but our points by only 3 touchdowns?
-Johnny_S
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Bungles
Tank
Stupidly like
Clockwork
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Every night at the club the girls screamed when he'd come
He stood six foot five and weighed 241
Kinda meaty in the face with a head full of stone
And everybody knew you didn't go to the bathroom alone around Big Ben
(Big Ben Big Ben) Big Fat Ben (Big Ben)
Thinking about your Farrior comments
One thing Farrior did that may have backfired is that he deliberately gained 20lbs. That would certainly account for the loss of speed and agility. I don’t think he just got old all of the sudden. Maybe he should dump about 10lbs and see how that works.
Good & Thoughtful Read
IIRC it was woman problems that set Ernie Homes off. When he got free of his brief detainment in Ohio he went to Western Psychiatric Inst for maybe six months or so. I don’t think his stay in the psych ward was court ordered. I shudder to think if what he did then would have happened today. Shooting at trucks…a state police helicopter and actually shooting a police officer. Wow! Tell me the Chief did’nt have some clout!
I like the free agent moves they have made thus far, but I love the resigning of Ryan Clark! ARE will make some important contributions IMO. Larry Foote signing would be Huge!
Its too early to really make a comment about Ben, however, I will say that the burden of proof IMO stil lays with the alleged victim.
by steelersrock08 on Mar 11, 2010 10:15 PM EST reply actions
Never knew that about Blount
Knew about the Atkinson vs. Noll case, but didnt know that Blount got caught in it. Very interesting.
by SteelerMessican on Mar 11, 2010 10:23 PM EST reply actions
Loved the post.
Liked the stuff about the early 70’s gang….thanks. More so because in hindsight, it reads a little humorous, and we need that right now.
I read, and listened to, the reported ‘event’ as BB saw it, and I’m not so sure that, “little else of consequence,” will occurr. Times have changed and the Rooney’s won’t put up with this shit. BB’s version just isn’t making me feel like I want to support him right now, and I highly doubt that the Rooneys & Steelers organization are going to allow it. I’m ready and willing to open the Dennis Dixon era in Pittsburgh.
AFC North – right on the money. We’ve got two legitimate players right now, and the Browns have some potential with the new front office group. Tough years are coming folks, let us hope that our FO is ready for the challenge.
i'm a little more pessimistic about the big ben thing . . .
it appears that he may be a complete douche (pittsburgh sportscaster john steigerwald recently blasted ben with some less than flattering stories of ben) . . . and the rooneys are out of patience . . . i recently read that ben blew off some make a wish kid . . . ugh, if it’s true!! . . . i would not be surprised if big ben is in a raider/redskin/rams, etc uniform sooner than we think . . . bummer . . .
That's not going to happen
Ben is staying here.
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 11, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
holmes
would be flat out of the league if that happened today. definitely puts BB in a bit of perspective.
def. agree with all the implications of the FA signings so far, draft flexibility, ST, familiarity with coaching staff, nice stuff so far.
wake up!
big ben is going to jail. he won’t be tried in your head , where you have it worked out, he will be tried in the south. the laws down here are different than up there. in sexual assault cases, previous incidences are allowed as evidence. if he refuses to talk to police again,or submit a DNA sample, it will go very bad for him down here. there is no way he takes a snap this year,even if he settles out of court.
my big question is, why would you want him on your team?
uhh
sexual assault (non aggravated) is a misdemeanor in georgia. Stop barking.
Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)
by Michael Bean on Mar 12, 2010 7:12 AM EST up reply actions
not only that
The odds of getting in the previous allegations are mighty low. Start doing your homework now on “similar fact evidence.”
he said she said....
i seems to me since no one else appears to have seen the alleged assault, bens case will hang on credibility. his lawyer will have to go down that road first. he will have to muddy her up. i have always thought, in court (not on blogs) that was a two way street.
i’m not a lawyer,some would even say i’m obtuse, so straighten me out.
she was injured in the alleged assault
the charges have not been made, but that would lead me to believe, if charges are filed they will be aggravated sexual assault .
the grand jury will decide if charges will be filed not us fans.
The only ones agravated is us
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Mar 12, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
extar "g". please insert between "g" and "r"
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Mar 12, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
god
i just re-read your ignorant comment and i feel compelled to write again reminding you how dumb you look with such a statement. Ben may be in trouble, but it’s not because ‘he will be tried in the south. the laws down here are different than up there.’
There is no way he takes a snap this year? Really? I hate to be that guy over the interwebs, but if you’d like to personally wager me anything you want – your choice, no matter how small or large – let’s do it. I think Ray Lewis played a snap after committing a felony. Same with countless other athletes in the NFL and other sports. To say Ben’s done in 2010 for a misdemeanor (at worst) just proves how obtuse and unintelligent you are. Like I said to start, stop barking. It’s not becoming of proper southern gentlemen, of which you seem to be so proud of being associated with.
Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)
by Michael Bean on Mar 12, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i am southern but no gentlmen.
i to reread my post and the only part i would change is he “may” go to jail (he has a good lawer) but the rest i stand by. barring the victim recanting her story, charges will be filed.the case will drag on and it’s hard to believe the nfl will let him play while the trial is on going.
Its funny
how you say he will be tried in the south and you don’t even know the laws of the south. From a person of the south I will say you misrepresent us and the facts a great deal. Previous incidences are allowed as evidence? What evidence in the alleged previous incident is there to allow. There is no DNA nothing on video, no witnesses, nothing but some woman saying she wants some money from Ben. Allow it all you wan’t it won’t get you far. We don’t know what happened and for you to speak before they even press charges on Ben is very ignorant. What will you do with yourself if no charges are pressed? I guess its in your head where you have it all worked out, hoping Ben gets put out of football so there is one less team in your sorry team’s way to possibly win. If you have to hope that the other team’s QB has to be out for you to have a chance then what does that say about your team?
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 12, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
wrong
how do you know there is no DNA?
how do you know there’s no video?
i’m a steelers fan in the south, rooted for the team since i was a kid. they won me 50 bucks on the last superbowl.i supported ben on the last case, but this is to much.
this is not about football,it’s much more important.
i live in new orleans (my nfc team),so your theory of me wanting to make it easier for my team is silly.
I'm more concerned about how the guys in the locker room are going to react to Ben
I know the fans, the Rooneys and Mike T. will come around as soon as Ben starts throwing but training camp will be probably be pretty awkward for Ben.
"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Tony Montana- Scarface
why?
They already know about Ben the person and how he is. And they are all to aware of these kinds of incidents being a possibility considering how they’re millionaires and idolized as well. I see no problem internally. Peeps may have already had a bad opinion on Ben the person within the locker room, but this won’t change a thing in that regard. Those who feel he rubs them in the wrong way will continue not liking him all that much; those who think he’s an alright dude wont turn their backs on him for this.
Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)
by Michael Bean on Mar 12, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
Well
After the McNulty allegations last year he stood up in front of the group and apologized for being such a distraction to the team and according to him the guys forgave him and believed he was innocent. It’s gotta be embarrassing to go into camp again with a 2nd allegation hanging over his head. I’m sure things will be somewhat back to normal once they start winning (hopefully).
"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Tony Montana- Scarface
the guys in the locker room know more about Ben than we do just getting glimpses through the press. they’ve already decided whether or not they’re going to back him.
The Steelers, most if not always, have shown exceptional solidarity for their own. This is a family. I wouldn’t worry about them at all. They’re probably worried about us, the fans!
"God blessed me with the talent I have." - Deebo
by steelersgrl on Mar 12, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Family? Yeah Okay!
Solidarity is one thing but when your QB makes one mistake but when he is continually making stupid mistakes the solidarity starts to wear thin.
"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Tony Montana- Scarface
tell me where it's wearing thin?
maybe with the fans, but not in the franchise. not in the locker room. The Steelers have been through a lot worse than a playboy.
"God blessed me with the talent I have." - Deebo
by steelersgrl on Mar 12, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
This is more than about Ben being a playboy
Hines is a playboy, Deshea is a playboy….being accused of sexual assault twice is something entirely different.
"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Tony Montana- Scarface
again, we've been through worse
and, last I checked, this is America, where we are innocent until proven guilty.
we all agree that Ben needs to be more careful and grow up a little. beyond that, all that has come from both cases are accusations. no evidence of anything. we are all waiting for the verdicts.
Over and out.
"God blessed me with the talent I have." - Deebo
by steelersgrl on Mar 12, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
I know he's not guilty that's why I used the term "accused"
No one is saying Ben is guilty at this point of anything but bad judgment.
Over and out.
"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Tony Montana- Scarface
I knew about the Homles incident
but for some reason my brain kept linking the incident to Dwight White or L.C. Greenwood. The price of getting old I guess.
Ben’s our QB till he isn’t. That said, if he continues the way he has been, innocent or not, he is going to end up being a liability to the team/franchise. I hope the Steelers draft a decent young QB this year to provide some depth (and make Batch a QB coach). When the time comes for Ben to leave the team needs to be prepared.
I think I am more worried about the Ravens than Bengals at this point, depending on whether they can keep their D going one more year.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Mar 12, 2010 10:18 AM EST reply actions
Good Post
Thanks for the brief history lesson, and the North rundown as you see it. Food for thought….
Now that was a breath of fresh air
Ive been reading, reading, reading— Ben is like a bad accident and I cant stop looking. Your post was rational, realistic, calm and well done. I’m going to stop watching the accident and look ahead (at least for the rest of the day)….
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