guilty or not ... what would you rather?
by GMSteel on Mar 12, 2010 3:10 AM EST
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Printeveryone is all over the place with the situation big ben is in. everyone has their two cents in this regard. what it comes down to is this: if ben is really the biggest douchebag on the face of the planet, do you put up with it in order to win another 1,2 or even 3 more superbowls?
i'm a canadian who bleeds black and gold. i've been working with steel since i could reach the buttons on a lathe, so you can see the attraction. above and beyond that is the work ethic and grit of not only the team, but the city itself. yes there is pride in winning and being number 1. i believe that every nfl team represents the city they are based in. wins and championships don't speak as much for a city than the caliber of individuals on the roster. big ben is pretty much the burghs adopted son. how would you feel if your son came home accusd of these things not once, but twice?
do i think we can win with ben at the helm? hell yes. would i be proud of a championship team led by such an individual? absolutly not. i'd rather lose for the next ten years than have a championship won under these conditions.
multiple sources indicated that the reason ben was out was to celebrate his 28th birthday. birthdays are supposed to be spent with family and friends. among 52 other individuals which are his adopted brothers, only one actually showed up. when you have 52 brothers and only 1 shows up for your birthday, what does that say about the type of individual you are.
in my honest opinion, guilty or not i would not be proud of ben representing anything i hold so dear. trade him for whatever we can get and move on. let's just hope that the next adopted son of pitt is someone we the fans can be proud of , win or lose. a person's true worth is found in the impressions they leave, not the job that they did.
my number 7 jersey has already been tossed into the fire.
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I'm not going to judge him.
Even if he did something I wish the best for him. He is our quarterback and as long as he is, I will root for him. Am I overlooking it? No. I leave that to the PERFECT people.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Mar 12, 2010 8:04 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Meaning...I leave the judging to the PERFECT people.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Well said.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
by Steel Spike on Mar 12, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I was gonna say something last night
but everything I thought to write might have gotten the banhammer swung on me…I decided I would much rather continue blogging than break one off in GMSteel’s ass.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
by Steel Spike on Mar 12, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
that's what....
never mind
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Mar 12, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
By the way, the beef jerky company just dropped him LOL
It was lousy beef jerky anyway…. I am a beef jerky addict and Wild Bill’s is still the king of the jungle:)
one thing ill say
And I appreciate your sentiments and taking the time to share them…but i do take a bit of umbrage with the statement about nobody showing up to his bday party. Well, it was in freakin Milledgeville Georgia. I’m 99.9% sure that the only dude there with him was Keyaron Fox who…ding, ding ding…is a Georgia native.
Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)
I thought the Colon
was there?
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 12, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
Starks should have been there to protect his blind side
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
nope
was a LB according to a bartender who served Ben earlier that night.
Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)
by Michael Bean on Mar 12, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Actually
I thought Willie Colon and his agent came out and acknowledged Colon was there but didnt see any “Sexual Assault” happen and they didn’t want his name coming up anymore.
by colorado steelhead on Mar 12, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
Not according to several news oulets, who quote Willie's agent
and I am not even including TMZ (chuckling)
um
trade him for whatever we can get and move on.
that would have to be someon’es 2 whole drafts…. I mean 1-7 for 2 straight years…..
Steelers football is 60 mins.
Big Stupid
Ben is stupid. Ben is my QB. I’m disappointed in him, but I’m sticking by him.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
I just don't get
people who think that because the guy plays for your team means that his whole personal life is open for comment.
To me, if he shows up to practice on time, stays healthy, works hard and performs well on the field that is all I can ask of him.
I could care less what they do on their own time as long as it doesn’t impact their performance as a player. The rest is just holier-than-thou crap. I employ a bunch of people and I can’t imagine firing my top producer because enough of their brothers didn’t show up at their birthday party. I wonder how anyone who posts here would react if their boss was concerned about what bar they went too, who they dated, how well they got along with their family or what church they went to?
I suspect I know the answer.
by RLD on Mar 12, 2010 9:46 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
"I can’t imagine firing my top producer because enough of their brothers didn’t show up at their birthday party."
Is that the big deal here? I’ve been mistaken all along and thought he was accused of sexual assault. My mistake.
When you’re in the public eye and you’re the face of a franchise or company, anything you do, or in this case, anything you’re accused of, reflects back on your company. Especially if your company has a history and an image that is as highly regarded as the Steelers franchise is.
I’m an operations manager and salesman for a smaller company in Central New York. If I got arrested and charges with sexual assault, and it was on the front page of the newspaper, I would lose my job. Bottom line. It’s hard to get deals done on sales calls with someone that the customer feels less than faithful in as a person. I had a friend arrested and charged with DUI. It made the local news. He lost his job as a sales rep at another (larger) local company. This is how it works now, unfortunately. I don’t like it either, but it is what it is.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 12, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
when Ben is convicted
that is a different story. If someone gets fired for being accused and is exonerated…I’ll take that case. Especially in NY.
And have a look at the OP. He was bitching that Ben was not the kind of guy he wanted to cheer for because not enough of his family was at his birthday celebration, whether he is guilty or not. I didn’t come up with the birthday party thing by myself…I am simply not that creative.
But, if there is no conviction I am pretty damned confident BB will be staying with this team for the long haul.
I agree 100% with the last line...
But the first part, not as much.
If I recall correctly (sometimes it’s a bigger if than I’d like), Pacman Jones was never convicted of anything. Neither was the late Chris Henry. Mike VIck was suspended indefinitely upon his indictment. I may very well be wrong, but that is how I remember it. Now, of course, the suspensions came after several incidents with each, but, Roger Goodell’s version of the law comes swift. It’s hard to say.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 12, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Don't compare BB to them yet....
Both Pacman jones and Chris Henry’s NFL suspensions came after they were arrested,charged, and convicted of numerous crimes (Neither was suspended for their first conviction either). Though their punishments consisted of suspended jail time, probation and community service.
IF Ben is charged and convicted, then the Steelers should act with suspending BB and rightfully so but not until that point. It is a shame to see out country loose one of our founding notions of innocent until proven guilty…..
by NVASteelerFan on Mar 12, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Let's back up a few dozen years.
Ben is “old school” in more ways than one. It used to be that news organizations let the foibles of professional athletes off the table, that they considered them private citizens off the field. Anything short of felony never made the papers, otherwise many of our most revered sports legends would be anathema.
Ben’s done three very stupid things of which we, the public, are aware – motorcycling sans helmet and sense, having sex in the same manner with a predatory gold digger, and now? We don’t know what happened, but teh stoopid was most definitely involved. How many thousands of Ben’s professional (and college, and even high school) brethren have done similar things repeatedly? Even in my high school, back in the late ’60s, and college in the 70s, such things were common, fueled by alcohol and a certain sense of entitlement. I do not condone it, but it is an irrevocable part of our culture.
Let’s see how it all shakes out.
My heros have always been Steelers...
good thoughts though i might say
dunno about ‘irrevocable part of our culture’, in all due respect to my wiser elder. But I would agree that it’s been part of our culture for so long that it need not be looked upon as some sort of totally unfathomable and unforgivable transgression.
I hate to sound like im excusing really bush league behavior. I’m not. he deserves some punishment, both in in the immediate and in how his legacy is remembered in the future. Just dont think some, not all, just some, of the hyper aggressive condemnations are fair.
Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)
by Michael Bean on Mar 12, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Michael, when I was a child
WBVP in Beaver Falls preceded its high school football scores Saturday mornings (and eventually all of its sports news) with a ditty known as “You Gotta Be a Football Hero to Get Along with the Beautiful Girls”.
Adulation of sports heros at all levels of competition has produced a sense of entitlement in some athletes, primarily those with major professional outlets, that borders on pathological. And it begins in many cases before high school! Some parents, and even coaches and teachers, support this view that athletic accomplishment somehow gives special dispensation to athletes in football, basketball, and other popular sports. In other countries football (soccer), basketball and more localized sports produce the same effect.
This effect is noted by anthropologists in north and central American pre-Columbian cultures, as well. I believe it was the Aztecs who had a game in which tribes competed to knock a rubber ball through a small stone ring in a huge (by those standards) arena. The team who won had the right to all the possessions, including women and children, not only of the other team but of the spectators. And the lacrosse games played by native Americans had much the same result.
Sports is a substitute for war. The Olympics were originally a way for the Greek city-states to compete without the cost and bloodshed.
Maybe you’re right, maybe it isn’t cultural – maybe it’s instinctual.
My heros have always been Steelers...
Something to really think about.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 12, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
and the successful gladiators
despite being slaves were banging chicks, even very rich ones, all over the place.
You may be onto something there.
idenfity what is speculation and what is fact
birthdays are supposed to be spent with family and friends. among 52 other individuals which are his adopted brothers, only one actually showed up. when you have 52 brothers and only 1 shows up for your birthday, what does that say about the type of individual you are.
Form perspective based upon fact, not speculation…pull the jersey out of the flames, but keep some wood around for later…..when verified facts and formal decisions are shared.
My #7 jersey is hanging in my closet right next to #92
And it will stay there.
I love being the most-hated guy here. I love beating them while [their fans] are flicking me off. --Hines Ward
I Have A Pittsburgh Steelers 1933
that I always wear proudly…
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
Hmmm
I think I will need to look into getting a Jack Ham some day.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Mar 12, 2010 7:08 PM EST reply actions
What are you going to do
if/when Ben is cleared of all charges? You gonna reach back into that fire and take your jersey back?
Bad Andy, Good Pizza.
correction
there have been no charges to date
Bad Andy, Good Pizza.
by count'em_six on Mar 12, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
I think he should burn the rest of his Steeler stuff and start over
as penance.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Do we allow a "do over"?
After all that’s been said…
Bad Andy, Good Pizza.
by count'em_six on Mar 12, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
only after burning the old
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
No conviction on NO 7
Until there is an arrest and conviction, I will continue to wear No 7. The time has not yet arrived to throw him under the Bus. However, he must learn to use the restroom that says….MEN!
Once a Steeler Fan....Always a Steeler Fan..
By himself
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Mar 13, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
haha
+1
"I hated putting on that purple uniform, and I hated that raven bird. What really ticked me off is when we played Pittsburgh our whole stadium seemed to be filled with Pittsburgh fans." Tackle Orlando Brown
Good point
There are women that were brave enough to follow me into the men’s bathroom.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
oops me=men
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
I didn't do it
really…
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
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