BTSC Daily Six Pack - Aloha Kemoeatu Edition
by Johnny_S on Mar 19, 2010 8:55 AM EDT
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IX- Would you like to spend a day in the shoes of Chris Kemoeatu? Well, the Pittsburgh CW and Steelers.com are giving you that chance this Saturday at 11PM. Yeah, that is late on a Saturday, so just DVR it, unless you are a caveman (Kemo kind of looks like one or like a Hawaiin Kimbo Slice) and you do not have one, you can tape it. Anyway, it looks pretty awesome because he lives in Hawaii and there are attractive hula dancers oceans and stuff.
X- Unfortunately, CB Joe Haden of the Florida Gators might have slipped out of our grasps. Haden is seen as one of the best corners in the draft, but his stock slipped a bit after he ran a 4.6 second 40-yard dash in the NFL combine. However, he came out in his pro day and ran a blazing 4.41 to impress the scouts and raise himself up in the stocks, possibly as the best CB in this year's draft.
XIII- It's all quiet on the "western front", or at least it seems that way with free agent Willie Parker. At this point, I believe it is quite clear that Parker is not going to be anyone's starter next year. And that has to have dawned on him, because yesterday he visited the St. Louis Rams ("Parker & More Visit"), home of one of the best running backs in the league, Steven Jackson. In any event, I bring this up because I do not understand how Parker fails to realize he has that here in Pittsburgh, for a much better team. Moreover, fans of Pittsburgh would be a lot more forgiving of Parker's faults because of what he has given the Steelers in the past. He does not have that luxury in St. Louis. I am curious if Tomlin & Co. are even looking in his direction at this point. Lastly, does anyone else think that Kevin Colbert coming out and making that statement the other day was a check mate in the chess game with Parker?
XIV- What is better than having one tight end in your offensive set? How about 2? 3? Maybe not, but Bruce Arians sure enjoys his multiple tight end sets. Here is a list he might enjoy very much, a list of the top 10 TE prospects in the draft. Seriously though, take a look at some of the lower prospects. The Steelers might try to grab a TE in the later rounds or with one of their compensatory picks since Matt Spaeth has not exactly been stellar. Or you can look at this terrible list, that somehow has Timothy Tebow ranked as the 4th overall QB in the draft. How can you be 4th overall when he is #1 in everyone's hearts?
XL- This bit of news really bugs me. The Georgia police involved in the Ben Roethlisberger sexual assault case are trying to interview the Nevada accuser, Andrea McNulty. What? I understand the overlap in the accusations, but how can either case be used against him in the separate case? Presumably, Roethlisberger is innocent until proven guilty, therefore I do not see how you can use information from an accusation against him. That sounds like a reach to me if either case is dependent on that information. What do you think?
XLIII- Calling all mock drafters! Mile High Report (MHR), the Broncos SBN blog, is doing a massive mock draft with representatives from each NFL team. The Steelers need a good rep, and if no one else signs up I will be forced to do so and trade all of our picks to acquire Tim Tebow as the 1st overall pick of the draft. If you do not want that to happen you better hurry up and take the position.
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As long as you get Tebow
and some beer outta the deal, go for it
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Mar 19, 2010 9:08 AM EDT reply actions
Has an NFL deal ever involved a 30 pack? I know in HS I once made a fantasy football trade that involved me acquiring a 30 pack.
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
No you didin't Johnny...
Because if you did that would mean you were drinking underage, and we all know that we don’t condone such activities here at BTSC :) You meant just last year, not High School right? Typos, sheesh.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 19, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, yeah, the 30pack was for my older brother who then gave me an n64 game in return. Sorry for not elaborating.
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
Haha...
Well played. It’s all about the youth Johnny. It takes a village you know.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 19, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
sticky icky?
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
or at least Snoop said so
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
A 30 pack in HS
was practically priceless. That was a whole weekend of fun right there in a box!
Now that I’m old and lame I won’t even buy beer that comes in 30s.
that's called having taste ;)
"God blessed me with the talent I have." - Deebo
by steelersgrl on Mar 19, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
and a different goal besides just getting really really drunk
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
I drink beer just casually sometimes
I like the taste if its really good beer. Also wings + beer or burger + beer = perfection.
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
i like the last two as well..
but its usually like wings + beer + beer + beer + beer + beer + beer + beer + beer + beer + beer + beer + beer + burger + beer + beer + beer + beer + beer
i only know because of the empties.
if somehow the cans disappeared when i finished them (or, you know, i threw them away), the world would never know
I miss the days when drinking Bud Light
was high rollings. I was a natty’s ice man most of the time, or if times were tight American….That was an RMU staple there, 5.99 a case at the beer zoo.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Mar 19, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Busch Pounders for me
at least when I’m drinking cheap. Otherwise, Victory Hop Devil or Troegs all the way.
Georgia police
I’d be interested to know exactly how many misdemeanor investigations in Georgia involve interviewing people who are involved in civil suits in Nevada.
I’m going to guess that the number is halfway between 0 and 2.
Sounds to me like they are really reaching at this point
Over two weeks now and they don’t have enough info to file charges? I just don’t understand how they can possibly justify interviewing the McNulty person. She never filed any charges so there is no police report. Only one person’s word against another’s. How can that possible be use as a basis to file charges against Ben in this case.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
by chewiesteeler on Mar 19, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I was trying to say without writing a book up there. It just seems odd to me.
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
Pattern of behavior....
In sexual harrassment and sexual assault cases, police look for a pattern of behavior. Same words, same actions, same MO. And “pattern” behavior is often admissible as evidence in such cases, when it’s “he said, she said.” If there are a number of “shes,”
“he’s” in trouble.
It’s unsettling that they’ve taken this long and are reaching out to Nevada.
And, performing due diligence, they must also determine whether there has been any communication – before or after the accusations – between Ms McNulty and the Georgia accuser. Any collusion between the two could poison both cases and be a good thing for Roethlisberger.
I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson
I would understand that if Ben had been found guilty of any crime. Right now he is still innocent and not proven guilty. Doesn’t that mean anything? There could be a lot of "shes" that build up against any man with a lot of money. I don’t think it should mean anything that someone else has accused him of something similar.
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
agreed
and interesting theory about the girls collaborating. it would not be surprising at all, even if it’s evil dirty. girls are conniving that way!
this whole build up is just an attempt to ruin Ben’s reputation and trying to bring him down. even if he’s a playboy, no one can get enough evidence against him to actually charge him with anything. that doesn’t mean i agree with his lifestyle whatsoever, but these girls are kinda stupid to try this with him in the first place.
"God blessed me with the talent I have." - Deebo
by steelersgrl on Mar 19, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Collusion
would suggest Ben was set-up with the second accusation to help the first make some money. Not impossible I guess. Hopefully all the facts come out and it all settled.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Mar 19, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
It’s possible he’s being set up. Although we’ve heard nothing of the civil case or statements by the attorney’s in the mcnulty case.
I wonder if he just had rough sex(after all, he likes to get banged up) and now both regret it and see a payday because he was such a dick(pun intended). I’m really curious about this slipping on the floor and hitting her head thing.
What this tells us
…is basically that they think he’s guilty, but they also know he has a crack legal team, so they’re leaving no stone unturned to prep their case. They don’t want to go to war with a pack of firecrackers, so they’re loading up. The description of the private VIP room where Roethlisburger and his goons were only admitting young girls and no men made me real suspicious. Sounds like a groupie fest to me. I know about the innocent till proven guilty thingy and we don’t have much to go on but my guess is if it was anything trivial or not prosecutable the DA would have dropped this already. They’re gearing up for war. Be ready for the worse, Steeler Nation. It will drag on forever, though, so this season shouldn’t be at risk. 2011, however, is another story…
Consider it unleashed!
I do not agree at all
To me it looks like they are stretching to find anything that will “pin to the board.” And the longer and longer it goes on the less it makes me believe that the police have anything at all. The DA in las vegas let the prelim stuff go on just as long as this one before dropping it. I don’t think that means a thing.
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
If they were gearing up for war
they would have already charged him, they would have plenty of time after that to ‘gear up for war’. The trial wouldn’t be this year. Look how long the 1st case has dragged on.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 19, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
it is just part of the basic investigation
And could be being done for several different reasons, especially considering that BB has not yet talked to the police.
They will be interviewing her to see if the allegations are similar enough to try and jam some “similar fact” or “pattern of conduct” evidence into their case against him. Based on the info I have seen this will not fly.
They also may be bolstering their ID case. If the lastest accuser says for instance that BB’s little ben bends to the left or has a mole on an odd spot, they would go looking for confirmation to help add to her credibility.
A witness like McNulty would be a real double edged sword, especially if the second accuser is a pleasant girl. Putting McNulty on the stand opens the case up to all her weird e-mails and stuff she said to her friends and lets defense counsel turn the thing into a circus.
I would expect they are just doing their due diligence in interviewing her and nothing substantive will come of it.
They also may be bolstering their ID case. If the lastest accuser says for instance that BB’s little ben bends to the left or has a mole on an odd spot, they would go looking for confirmation to help add to her credibility.
This was my first thought. Looking for corroboration on some mole or something. Both the time it’s taking and the fact that they’re talking to McNulty strike me as bad news for Ben. My guess is that they’re just waiting on eventually getting an interview from Ben before they charge him.. in fact leaking that they talked to McNulty might have just been a chip they played to try to get him to agree to an interview.
by MadBlackAndGold on Mar 19, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
good points all +1
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 19, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
I hadn’t thought of the ID thing, but somehow rough sex in a bathroom doesn’t seem to be greatly conducive to dick observation. I doubt she would have taken the time to positively ID “little Ben” while she was being forced. Speaking hypothetically, of course…
Anyway this whole thing is a mess, and even it’s just another groupie fest gone bad and there was no criminal activity, I think the guy is immature. He should spend his time training and preparing instead of going out in nightclubs with a bunch of students. 100 million dollar contracts don’t fall from the sky, be responsible. You can party when you retire a rich man in ten years. Did you see his face on those pictures, the guy is getting fatter every year. Gone are the days when he ran a 4.7 and was an athletic playmaker, at 28 that shouldn’t be the case. Take a page from your idol, John Elway and get your act together, Pig Ben!
These are my two cents, anyway…
Consider it unleashed!
I don't quite understand something
I have seen alot of posts on here about the whole georgia thing and some are alluding to what sounds to me like rape not sexual assault. any kind of forced sex whether regular or oral would be as far as im concerned rape. sexual assault would be grabbin her tit or ass or something like that. and rape definately is not a misdemeanor. can anyone enlighten me on this. jeez you guys made me use alluding and enlighten in the same post i sound like tobiathon.
by billsteelcity on Mar 20, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Incredasupersmartasticism is contagious
If ya don’t know ya betta ass’ somebody.
yo.
"The description of the private VIP room where Roethlisburger and his goons were only admitting young girls and no men made me real suspicious. "
You just described ever rappers trip to the club ever.
Bungles Tank Stupidly like Clockwork
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Every night at the club the girls screamed when he'd come
He stood six foot five and weighed 241
Kinda meaty in the face with a head full of stone
And everybody knew you didn't go to the bathroom alone around Big Ben
(Big Ben Big Ben) Big Fat Ben (Big Ben)
My point exactly
Total groupie fest! It’s ok for Rap, Rock & Roll and Rick James, but for sports pros, not so much… Just ask Pacman Jones!
Consider it unleashed!
Willie to the Rams? I guess.
I really don’t think there is any interest back in da ‘Burgh for Willie. As fans, we love Willie (go ahead, laugh it up peanut gallery), but realisticly, he’s of almost no use to us. This is the shrewd free agent manuevering we’re used to. Willie offers little more than being just a runner, and an aging speed runner at that. Do we have a need for “just a runner”… yeah. But is it enough to warrant a deal with a 30 year old running back… evidently not. There are better, more complete, RB options in both the draft, and on our roster already (Mewelde Moore not Isaac Redman). Let’s face it, Willie’s skills are no longer needed needed here.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
I suppose I always want a veteran back on the roster. We can always grab up a fast unknown later in the draft, but I still want a vet on the roster. And for some odd reason I don’t consider Moore to be that guy.
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
Why not?
He’s younger, but still has plenty of experience in the league, plus, he’s a Moore well rounded player (see what I did there?). I think that odd reason you were searching for is “flash”. Willie has that speed that flashes, which fans just fall in love with, I know I did.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 19, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno, let me simmer on it a little bit Moore and maybe it will grow on me. Right now I am just having a Battle in my head and Ward-ing off the idea. I think I just need a Miller lite, put my Foote down, and I might be able to get over the Hills of the idea.
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
Oh, you're good.
I for one am glad you didn’t use Colon.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 19, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought about it
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
I figured you did...
Pull your head out of your.. ahem… Colon.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 19, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
don't be so Gay with each other :)
"God blessed me with the talent I have." - Deebo
by steelersgrl on Mar 19, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Please don't Reed anything into our comments...
And in turn Foster any ill will towards us. Perhaps in the Summers we can take a trip to London or the Hampton(s) where I will write home using my favorite pen Urrrrr…bik that is.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 19, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps in London we can see Big Ben
and Parliamant?
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
by chewiesteeler on Mar 19, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Parliamant?
George Clinton?
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 19, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Geo-rge Clint-on...
And the, um, Parlia-ment, Funk-a-delic?
The movie, PCU, the character, Gutter. What a tool.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 19, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would Parker want to re-sign here anyway ?
We’re a team that doesn’t run the ball enough (..according to many folks around these parts ..) and who struggle to give our stud RB the 20 – 25 carries a game that he deserves. The current Steelers offence barely has room for one RB let alone two, so he knows he will be suiting up for 2 or 3 touches a game if he’s lucky ? Players want to play, so I can see why he would go somewhere else .. he’d probably still see the field more backing up S-Jax than he would backing up Mendy …
+1
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 19, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
good point
he’d ideally like to be in LT’s shoes running behind a good o-line. It’s not exactly like he’s flush with options though.
I really think he’s a good back still and he still has the speed. Just the market for old backs is simply terrible.
I think we could have him for 1M a year, which is decent IMO. If you keep going down that road though you’ll have no room to sign any draft picks though.
by Steely McSmash on Mar 20, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
If no Parker...
I wonder if the Steelers are considering Spiller? Seeing the impact Ray Rice made with the Ravens last year makes me think that Spiller is a real possibility.
" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"
" In America" Charlie Daniels Band
NO!
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
Mua aa a a a aahhhh
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
by chewiesteeler on Mar 19, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
not just in deferance to Johnny's colon
I have to say I doubt a 1st round running back. Sends a bad message to Mendy and doesn’t address greater team needs. Someone picked up in a later round should do just fine. Shone Greene was a 3rd rounder and we don’t necessarily need someone who is that good to back up Mendy though it would be nice. I suspect a decent 2-4 round choice will suffice.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Mar 19, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Possiblity... yes.
It’s highly unlikely though. Two first round RB’s on one roster is rare, if I remember there are like five or six teams that had that last year. Most were an aging vet and a young up and comer, some were short term player grabs. It’s possible, but I don’t see the need to do it. Cap wise, it might get tricky, but it’s workable. It’s a matter of need. We underutilized one solid (young!) first round pick at RB last year, what leads us to believe this offense is condusive to having two?
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 19, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Precisely!
This is why they won’t draft RB in the first. It would be silly to have 1st round money tied up in two players at the same position.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
by chewiesteeler on Mar 19, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
opps
I didn’t read down as you can tell from above.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Mar 19, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
BPA
If that is what the FO goes by, then Spiller is an option. It doesn’t seem the ideal pick to me, but that is only because I see such a deficiency in our secondary.
At the same time, if the Steelers are going to rely more on there running game next year, then they need some help for RM. I would be okay with it, but I would rather see us get Haden (if we can), or Thomas. I would move up to get Haden.
" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"
" In America" Charlie Daniels Band
by idiscgolftexas on Mar 19, 2010 10:11 AM EDT reply actions
Certainly an option, just a less likely one, in my opinion of course.
I have little to no insight on the Steelers actual intended draft strategy, I just don’t see it personally. If we did though, I wouldn’t be jump up and down mad, I’d just be scratch my head confused when there is greater needs elsewhere.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 19, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Referencing MR's post a few months ago
I think while the Steelers do draft by BPA they still look at positional needs. Because how can you honestly tell who the BPA is of a 400+ player field? Just a guess. At some point you rank the players on a board and I’d be shocked if they didn’t look at some sort of positional need basis in that process. Like why rank a QB high when we really don’t need one? And how do you most certainly say that player X who was a very good RB in college is better than player z who was a very good CB in college?
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
i dont say much...
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
Man you got me all ecited
I saw that picture of Jackson and thought we made a Bettis-like trade with the Rams. Arrrrrrrrrrrr
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Speath under Heath's shadow
I believe Speath is a better TE than what is displayed on Sundays. The reason I beleive he hasn’t been stellar is due to one of the best (if not the best) TE in the league plays in front of him. I would like to see his 6’ 7 or 8" 270 lbs body used more in the red zone and on some third and shorts but can’t argue with Heath being the man and getting those passes. Speath will shine in another uniform. I don’t want to see him go. I want him to replace Heath. This wish I hope will come true.
That's how you be great!
Spaeth is a below average blocker, and that has nothing to do with being in Miller’s shadow. Spaeth will not be replacing Miller any time soon, especially after a monster year following a huge contract.
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
Below average blocker... yes.
But he does have some receiving ability, and as a TE in today’s NFL, if you can catch and be a consistent target, you don’t have to block (well). I question how consistnet of a receiver he’d be (route running, catching in a crowd, able to make all the catches), but he had some real skill in college, and put in the right system, where he doesn’t have to be a total package TE like Heath, and I think he’d have better upside then in our system as a second/ third TE. Still not a fan of his, but whatever.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 19, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Meant to reply
We hope Speath blocking skills will improve with the new o-line coach. Heck we hope everyone that blocks skills will improve for that matter. But if we lock him up with a new contract for the next 4 yrs he will be ready to assume the duties of Heath. Heath probe has three good years at the level of play he’s playing at now. Speath has been in the system four years and will be in the system for several years with a new contract. Steelers keep their own so I can see it happening.
That's how you be great!
by trusteelfan on Mar 19, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Skill should improve
We hope Speath blocking skills will improve with the new o-line coach. Heck we hope everyone that blocks skills will improve for that matter. But if we lock him up with a new contract for the next 4 yrs he will be ready to assume the duties of Heath. Heath probe has three good years at the level of play he’s playing at now. Speath has been in the system four years and will be in the system for several years with a new contract. Steelers keep their own so I can see it happening.
That's how you be great!
James Daniel...
Not a common name amongst fans, I had to look it up as well, but he’s our TE’s coach.
My questoin is this, how much does an offensive line coach work with tightends? I really don’t know. But I do know this, if we have a coach specificly for the position, and blocking is a requisite of the position, he should be able to coach them at blocking, not an offensive line coach, who has roughly 5 times the number of guys that he is responsible for. If, like I said I don’t know, if the line coach caoches TE’s at blocking, then what exactly does the TE coach do?
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 19, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Also...
100% against resigning Spaeth to a four year contract. He jasn’t warranted a long term deal from us based on his play on the field. In fact, I’d replace him with David Johnson tomorrow if I could. Johnson is a much more capable blocker, and I think he could handle the limited receiving duties of our second TE easily.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 19, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Could be different in the pros,
but all other ranks the TE work with the OL which leads me to believe Kulger will be working with the TE as well. When I played high school and college ball the TE worked with the OL and did all the drills the OL did. TE is apart of the line, right? I could be wrong on the pro ranks but I would bet there’s no difference if so a slight difference. I totally agree the position coach has the most influence but the o-line coach is responsible for blocking scheme and assignments more so than the TE coach.
Correct me if I’m wrong but my understanding of David Johnson out of college he was a pass catching TE. If I was a coach and I compared Johnson 6’ 2" 260 lbs to Speath 6’ 7" 270 and the talent level was even I would go with Speath’s more experience and physical makeup. But that’s me and my opinion which hardly means anything just good for debate ;-)
That's how you be great!
by trusteelfan on Mar 19, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Spaeth's physical make-up
is part of what makes him a poor blocker. He is to tall and “skinny” to get proper leverage off the line. He constantly gets trucked as a result. Johnson could use maybe another inch or two but he is a beast when it comes to blocking. Low man wins!
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
by chewiesteeler on Mar 19, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
You may be right about the coaches (I have no idea)...
But I believe you are wrong about Johnson. He had good receiving numbers (yards per catch I think), but he is a blocker. From waht I saw last year, he blocks like he’s the one who’s 6’7" 270, not vica versa.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 19, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, James Daniel "coaches" the best TE in football
It stands to reason he got complacent with Heeeeeaaaaath! and didn’t try as hard with Spaeth, or something…
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Max Starks 6' 8"
Hmmm seems we trust our 100 mil investment to a 6’ 8" 345 lbs (I’d say 360+) LT so the leverage thing doesn’t work for me. And, please show me a 6’ 7" almost 300+ guy thats skinny. Johnson has been used as an HB and FB. There’s a difference when u get a running start towards your blocker vs manning up on the OL. I have to see more of Johnson used as a TE before I can rank him above Speath.
That's how you be great!
270 is not almost 300...
Not when you’re talking about the broad range of size players have in the NFL. That’s too large of a rounding-up for me, but that’s neither here nor there. I think when Chewie said “skinny” he meant Spaeth plays smaller than he is, not literally skinny. Also, I never saw Johnson at HB, but I did like him at FB when he was there. And he provides the flexibility of positions that Tomlin loves, playing both TE and FB when called upon. Spaeth is a one trick pony. Pass catching at TE, that’s it. He’s not a well rounded player, by any means, to this point, and it’s fairly safe to say because of his time spent in the league versus Johnson’s, combined with their current skillset, Johnson has the higher ceiling as a memeber of this team..
I saw Johnson block well at the line of scrimmage last year, something I’ve really never seen Spaeth do at all. Has he flashed from time to time as a blocker? Yeah I’m sure he has, but not very often, and I really can’t name one time I’ve noticed it. I watched Johnson back guys down blocking more than a few times last year.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 19, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I did put "skinny" in quotes for a reason.
Besides, 270 is skinny compared to 360. Also, our 6’8" LT struggle with leverage against smaller rushing linebackers as the year wore on. He dominated Dumervil who is built like Jimmy the H, but that was the high point of his season. Now, when a 6’7" guy who weight 270 goes against a 6’1" or 2" LB that is in the 230 – 250 range, Spaeth regularly gets trucked. On top of that, I seen him make some nice catches, but if you sneeze on him he falls to the ground.
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by chewiesteeler on Mar 19, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
ugh, apologize for some lousy grammar/typos up there.
FAIL!
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
by chewiesteeler on Mar 19, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree!
I can agree with everyone’s opinion on Speath. But it’s something about a 6’ 7" 270 lbs guy coming from the TE positions that does something for me. He may struggle as a blocker but his pass catching skills and size can be utilized more. The average height of a LB is what about 6’ 2"? The average height of a S is what 6’? Speath’s size should cause some serious match up problems on both third and short and goal line situations (quick slants, hook routes). So are we under utililzing him as a pass catcher? Also I can go with Johnson and Speath once Heath skills start to fade.
That's how you be great!
by trusteelfan on Mar 19, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Please pardon me for being overly argumentative here
but .. .. .. while I too love the idea of a 6’7" 270 pound dude wreaking havoc, Spaeth does not demonstrate the ability to get low against those 6’ to 6’2" lbs and he constantly loses those battles. I don’t know if its knee v. waste bend that he has trouble with but he is severely lacking in that area.
That’s the difference between he and Heath. Heath smokes those guys and gets extra yardage. Heath blocks better because he has honed his skill enough to get the leverage on smaller dudes.
I keep hoping year over year that Spaeth improves in this department but he has shown little, if any. I’m not saying we should jettison the guy immediately, but, I would not hesitate to be on the look out for his eventual replacement.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
by chewiesteeler on Mar 19, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Spaeth is too wiry
Heath is very big and very physical, so he is able to handle his blocking duties. Spaeth will probably never be a great blocker because of his frame. Plus, how many receiving TEs are great blockers?
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 19, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
H.E.A.R.T. and Determination
Although knee and waste bend are very valuable in taking on potential tacklers its the heart that matters. He can bend, twist, high knee, forearm, punch, kick, scratch or whatever but if the heart and determination is not there all equates to being taking down easily by those potential tacklers. Sounds like a man that size should be wrecking havoc on the smaller defenders like Heath but its obvious the heart is not there. Speath, please prove us wrong because we would love to see you wreck havoc.
That's how you be great!
I have heart
But I doubt I could block a DE.
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 19, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It takes
years of training as well. If I trained I believe I can. I have heart and determination.
That's how you be great!
Kimo LG or RG?
I like Kimo’s run blocking skills but his pass blocking skills are below average in my opinion. I feel he’s better suited for the RG not LG. I believe he’s too big, not athletic and agile enough to man the LG position. What do you guys think?
That's how you be great!
I think Kemo at 350+...
Pulling off the edge is as intimidating of a site as there is in the NFL. I think he has enough agility to pull it off, but I question his body control and overall athleticism in open space. He, much like most guards of his size, struggles blocking smaller quicker defenders.
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-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 19, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That's become today's defense.
Today’s defenses are getting smaller, quicker and more athletic. That’s why the 3 – 4 defense is become more popular today. It puts more athletes on the field. My last couple post seem to make this a possible new topic. Starks and Kimo both struggle against smaller quicker defenders. I believe the same story goes for the right side as well. Is this the problem with the OL? Should we start looking for smaller quicker OL?
That's how you be great!
by trusteelfan on Mar 19, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
3-4 defenses are run stopping defenses
That’s why LBs and d-linemen are bigger in our system. A 4-3 is more built to stop the pass. Both are effective, but the 3-4 allows you to disguise so much more.
And smaller o-linemen would be a good choice, if we were going to be a pass-oriented team. In college football, the teams who run the spread offense typically want their OL to be smaller, quicker guys because they’ll be in a 2 point stance pass-blocking 70% of the time. But I don’t think that’s what the FO wants.
The Saints threw the ball all over the place, yet could still run the ball whenever the wanted because their o-line was good enough to do both.
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 19, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Saints OL is smaller than Steeler's OL
Well either the Steelers are going to continue to be a pass happy team or we are headed in that direction. I compared Saints and SteelersOL and our starting line is slightly heavier than OL on the Saints squad. Also looking at the draft picks under Tomlin, the OL are getting smaller, Doug Legursky C 23 6-1 315, Kraig Urbik G 24 6-5 323, Ramon Foster OT 24 6-6 325, Tony Hills OT 25 6-5 304, and newly acquired Jonathan Scott OT 27 6-6 318.
Here’s how Steelers and Saints OL compare:
SAINTS:
Jermon Bushrod OT 25 6-5 315 (Starting LT)
Carl Nicks G 24 6-5 343 (Starting LG)
Jonathan Goodwin C 31 6-3 318 (Starting C)
Jahri Evans G 26 6-4 318 (Starting RG)
Jonathan Stinchcomb OT 30 6-5 315 (Starting RT)
Tim Duckworth G 27 6-4 318
Nick Leckey C 28 6-3 291
Jammal Brown OT 28 6-6 313
Na’Shan Goddard OT 26 6-5 315
Zach Strief OT 26 6-7 320
STEELERS:
Max Starks OT 28 6-8 345
Chris Kemoeatu G 27 6-3 344
Justin Hartwig C 31 6-5 312
Trai Essex G 27 6-5 324
Willie Colon OT 26 6-3 315
Doug Legursky C 23 6-1 315
Darnell Stapleton G 24 6-3 305
Kraig Urbik G 24 6-5 323,
Ramon Foster OT 24 6-6 325
Tony Hills OT 25 6-5 304
Jonathan Scott OT 27 6-6 318
That's how you be great!
The Saints o-line is a lot better than ours
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 19, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
You have a point. Size doesn’t matter in this case. Saints line is just better. I just wanted to compare the two so we can continue debating. I can’t argue with truth ;-)
That's how you be great!
Another advantage of 3 - 4 D
My point I was making about smaller more athletic guys on the field with the 3 – 4. If utilized like the greatest 3 – 4 minded coach utilizes it in Pittsburgh there could be as many as 5 LBs and 5 DBs on the field at one time. That equates to smaller athletic guys on the field.
That's how you be great!
@#13
the post gazette article does go on to say
Asked specifically about Parker, their starting running back since 2005 who lost his job after an injury early last season, Colbert said, “We’ll never close the door on any of our guys.”
i guess it’s implying “if our players wanna come back for a cheap price we’ll take them”
@#40 maybe they are trying to establish some sort of similarities or history. i can understand it being implied the women could be swayed to file false chargers against ben by having the “chance to make some money” but i think it’s a stretch to imply the investigators aren’t just doing their job
E. Thomas listed as the no. 2 CB in the draft by Lindy's football magazine
If the Steelers see Earl Thomas more as a corner than a safety, how would you guys feel about selecting him at no. 18 in the draft? He and a healthy Polamula in the same secondary would be something to behold.
He also fits the Steelers criteria for no. 1 picks as of late: younger than the norm, skilled and athletic, productive, and played at a big-time program. Things just got a little more interesting to me. I still like Kyle Wilson, but E. Thomas is probably the premiere playmaker in the secondary in this draft. Thoughts?
I think Thomas is more of a safety
And since we resigned Clark and Will Allen, I don’t think the FO wants to take another safety. We tend to spread our 1st and 2nd rounders around, so I think it’s time we addressed the CB/OL positions.
Devin McCourty is a much better fit for our defense. He is a bigger corner and he is great on special teams. And he ran a fast 40 time at his Pro Day so he is definitely a mid/late 1st rounder.
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 19, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
After watching more tape
I love Thomas’ cover qualities, and I believe he could be a good nickel back lined up on the slot receiver on top of being the third safety. The pick would be awesome. You can add a corner to compete later on (I like Donovan Warren in the third) and immediately upgrade the secondary. One thing is for certain, though, we will not pick Patrick Robinson. The guy exemplifies exactly what Dick Lebeau DOESN’T like about cover corners – no physicality.
Consider it unleashed!
He's the first round pick
on my mock draft. Definitely the BLA, and I think he could contribute wherever he lines up…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Mar 19, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
McCourt doesn't make plays on the ball, Wilson & Thomas do
The Steelers don’t need another run and tackle CB. They need someone who can make a play on the ball and take it the other way.
How do you know that?
There isn’t much film on him, so I don’t know how you would assume that.
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 19, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, this post scared me for a second
I thought we traded Kemo lol. Aloha can mean hello and goodbye in hawaiian.
anyone know when compensatory picks will be announced? some guy online who tries to predict comp picks every year thinks we’ll get two 5ths and a 7th. that sounds about right to me.
in a system that depends upon your failure conformity is the only true act of rebellion
by MAN_OF_STEEL_86 on Mar 19, 2010 5:59 PM EDT reply actions
I remember hearing that they announce them at the owners meeting. Which, according to Blitz’s hand-dandy calendar:
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2010/2/8/1300510/key-2010-nfl-offseason-dates
March 21st-24th
oh cool thanks
i dont know how to do links but here’s the address to the place where i got that info adamjt13.blogspot.com he breaks down the formula he uses to come up with his predictions prolly be a good read for alot of you guys that stuff is too complicated for me. math is not my friend
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by MAN_OF_STEEL_86 on Mar 19, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Good laugh
there are attractive hula dancersoceans and stuff.
Thanks for a good post, and again, for treading lightly on Big Dummy news, although I think it is good to just not mention developments which do not consist of specific charges and testimony under oath…IMHO
I hope Willy comes back, I think he does have a better chance here, just as Foote realized it.
can we at least get a washing machine for him?
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 19, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
a toaster
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Mar 19, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
3 a week is fine
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
Willie and STL
I wouldn’t totally rule out the possibility of the Rams trading Stephen Jackson, thus giving FWP an opportunity to be a starter in 2010.
Jackson is excellent trade bait. The Rams are never going to be good within the window in which Jackson is likely to be productive. Dealing him for picks in a deep draft year makes some sense. I guess I’m specifically thinking of New England because they have a ton of picks and they’re the win-now team that seems to have the biggest need at RB.
by Steelers in XLIV on Mar 22, 2010 12:09 AM EDT reply actions
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