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Draft Day Trade Proposal

In reviewing the current roster, needs and several mock drafts I believe the FO needs to trade up. With needs in our DL, OL, CB's and maybe even LB's, moving will ensure we get what's really needed. I look back at the Timmons (BPA) selection as a bit of a reach...obviously we didn't know we'd get Woodley in round 2 but a move up or back would have been nice. Sure we needed more LB help but the pick could have been used on either line.

In reviewing this year's draft, I'm eyeing the Seahawks #14 pick as the ideal place to jump up to. Using the current draft position value chart, we'll have to give up our third round pick and switch spots in the fourth. I'm not quite sure who I would select at that spot but I'm pretty sure the best options won't make it past NYG, TEN, SF at 15-17.

Sure we lose a valuable third rounder, but the current roster has plenty of mid round selections, let's move up and grab a stud that will ensure we draft later for many years to come.

 

Nutshell

SEA trades pick #14 - 1100 points

PIT trades pick #18 - 900, pick #82  valued at 180 points AND switch picks in round 4 #114 (PIT) valued at 66 for #125 (SEA) valued at 47


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never trade up just to trade up

have to have someone in mind when trading up or you might not even get one of the “best” options

by steel.curtain.number2 on Mar 20, 2010 8:25 PM EDT reply actions  

SB's in '06 & '09!!!

I agree completely, never trade up just to trade up. Hell, we just came off a SB win a year ago, & one in ’06, JUST missed the playoffs this year & without a great line and 2 very key contributors on the D sidelined. I think people just need to relax a little, we will be in title contention regardless of what we do in the draft barring serious injuries.

I even believe we could still win it all even if the worst comes out from BB situation. If one of those OT’s fall to us, or a stud DL prospect, it’s over!!! We’re sweeping the division this year, watch! 6-0!!!! Payback is a BITCH!!

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by Chise67 on Mar 22, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it was my say

I’d take Hayden, Bryan Bulaga, Dan Williams in that order. Those are the only guys I’d move up for in the 1st round based on where the Steelers are sitting and what I’d be willing to give up.

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by Steel R on Mar 20, 2010 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Dont trade up in this draft

Someone GREAT will be there for the taking at #18, without having to give up a 3rd rounder. A 3rd rounder in THIS draft will also be great, and would be equivalent to a high 2nd rounder in most years.

Bottom line, there will be some absolute STUDS available in rounds 1 thru 4. We need more of these picks not less of them. These guys will be our starters for the next decade.

Trade up NEXT year, when the pickings will be much slimmer.

by SteelerMessican on Mar 20, 2010 11:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I have never understood the Draft pick ranking system thing

I don’t understand how you cna put a value on a pick before you even take someone in the draft

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by WVPiratesfan on Mar 20, 2010 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's see if this will help you.

A draft point value system is agreed upon by all teams in the league. Goes like this:

1st rd. 18th pick = 900 pts.
1st rd. 14th pick = 1100 pts.

So, we would have to package our 18th overall pick, with a pick valued as 200 pts. Since we pick 82nd in the 3rd rd., & that pick is only valued as 180 pts., we would have to either trade our 2nd rd. pick,(50th overall = 400 pts.), which would have the team we deal with having to compensate us a pick valued at 200 pts.(Which would be the 78th pick in the 3rd rd.): So, if the team we trade with was picking below 78th, it would be considered not enough value, & just complicate the situation. Getting it? If not, here’s a reference chart of the value system:

http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/draft_point_value_chart.htm

Hope it helps!

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by Chise67 on Mar 22, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't fully understand it either

I also don’t see how there’s such a difference inbetween 1st and 2nd rounders. When I tried to put this scenario together, it became very difficult to build a solution that didn’t completely shoot the Steelers 2nd day to ish.

I still think giving up a third rounder for THIS team, THIS year would pay off down the road. Looking at our roster, we won’t have any available starting positions for 2+ years so why not make a major push in this years draft? IMO, the best of the Steelers needs (OL & CB) will be probably be gone by 15 and I’d rather be on the inside looking out this year (re: Revis). I think the majority of Steelers fans are still kicking themselves about that one.

Again, not my normal vote but I think it’s worth the price to get a final piece of the Stairway To Seven puzzle.

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by Steel R on Mar 21, 2010 12:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Not a whole lot they could do

Revis fell to the pick below them, and the Jets traded up. Can’t ask them to trade up one spot. Also, i agree, you can’t trade up for the sake of trading up. Chances of Bulaga and Williams being there at 14 are slim and falling. And I really don’t see the point in trading up for a corner, you can never know what they are going to produce at the next level. Especially when we have two second year players who just might make the leap. There are going to be several excellent players available at 18 and they’ll do exactly what we need

by mojo88 on Mar 21, 2010 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

i don’t understand draft rankings either but i would like to see us trade down and get pouncey in the first (unless haden falls to us) then try to get two 2nd rounders and get nate allen & chris cook or mccourty & morgan burnett in the 2nd then go d-line, olb, rb, ot the rest of the way. im sure allen & mccourty will be high 2nd rounders if not low 1st rounders so i dont know im just dreamin.

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by MAN_OF_STEEL_86 on Mar 21, 2010 12:04 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

If we do any trading, I’d prefer to trade down and get Pouncey or Odrick. And then we could possible move up in the 2nd and 3rd rounds to grab the DB we wanted, using the extra pick(s) gained from trading down.

by SteelerMessican on Mar 21, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like the kid Pouncey

only because that means Indy doesn’t get him.

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by Steel R on Mar 21, 2010 12:15 AM EDT reply actions  

No, you don't trade up in this draft

Not unless you really have someone you absolutely know that you need and believe someone else will grab before its gets to your turn.

Also, you point at that the Steelers have several needs, which means more draft picks are needed — not less. With the free agent signings Pittsburgh doesn’t have any truly huge immediate needs, per say (OK, maybe the secondary). There will still be a very good DL, OL, CB, Safety or LB on the board at pick 18 and some solid players should be around well into the following rounds.

Anyway, you can’t really tell if they’ll trade up until draft day and only if someone with great stock drops unexpectedly. It’s not like they know they need to trade up to grab the best QB or something (hopefully…), so you can only expect a trade if someone like a Suh, Berry or maybe McClain drops well below their projected slots.

by smashtheguitar on Mar 21, 2010 1:17 AM EDT reply actions  

i dont really think we need more picks. its not official yet but we should get 10 picks in this draft no way 10 rooks make this team. i agree there will be some solid players available at 18 so if we stay put and get bpa maybe we trade up in the 2nd or 3rd. i would like more picks in the first half of this draft though. if thats what you meant then we’re on the exact same page.

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by MAN_OF_STEEL_86 on Mar 21, 2010 4:17 AM EDT reply actions  

That's pretty much what

I’m saying. The Steelers don’t have a whole lot so space on the roster, and I don’t think the PS player are all that bad either. Sooooooo, why not get 4 or 5 ppl that could really be useful? I can’t see more than 4 rookies making the 53 game day squad. The Steelers have too many returning starters and 1-2 year guys. IMO that supports the idea of not giving up our third or trying to trade back and get another second, I get that line of thinking. At the same time, it doesn’t shoot down the idea of trading up to get one of those needs taken care of early. A first round critical need (OT or CB), 2nd round DL and use the comp picks to help with special teams. That’s four guys and then grab a few undrafted guys to finish out the PS. I’m still interested to see what Sunny Harris can do. That’s like an extra draft pick right there if he’s quality player that the FO brought back from Carolina.

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by Steel R on Mar 21, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

If there is a guy they really think can help them...

Why wouldn’t you trade up? If they know Haden is gonna be a helluva corner, but they are not certain about a Kyle Wilson, then do it if you can. There is no guarantee that anyone is going to be worth it, so don’t settle if you don’t have to.

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by idiscgolftexas on Mar 21, 2010 8:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Defense

I think that the steelers should trade down to the bottom of round one, and pick up another second or third rounder. This year, the draft is as deep as it’s been in a decade or two. Also, they should make every pick a defensive player. If you look at last season, all of the losses were due to defensive collapses. Everyone complains about the o-line, but the offense put up record numbers. Not saying that the o-line couldn’t be upgraded, but I just think that every player now has another season under his belt. Foster and Urbik have the ability to make strides this off season. We NEED to get much younger on the D side of the ball. Also, it seems like the defense is set up to rely too heavily on one player(TP), or position too much. So that when this player inevitabley misses more games, the defense becomes so much more , almost one dimensional. Just MHO. A slight scheme alteration may also be necessary.

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by steelerfreak76 on Mar 21, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Also defensive minded!

I believe the key to us staying on top the next 5 years is going strong on the defensive side of the ball as well. Although I wouldn’t trade up,(unless it was for like Suh, McCoy or Berry,[Okung being the one offensive exception],& all are way too costly!), but I would welcome trading down.

This draft is exceptionally deep, but there is a catch 22 to trading down: We don’t traditionally do well in the 2nd & 3rd rd. picks!! :-)

"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."

by Chise67 on Mar 22, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

We should pull the trigger on that trade if only one of the superstars is available

and by superstars I mean Suh, Berry, McLain, Haden,Okung or McCoy.
If 2 are available I say we take our chances and hope one makes it to 18

"Every Day I walk past 6 Lombardi trophies not 6 rushing titles" - Greatest Tomlinism ever.

by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Mar 21, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

What's the difference between

McLain and Witherspoon? I don’t watch much college ball so I’ll take your word for it. Again, I keep coming back to Revis and how the FO waited around thinking he’d be sitting there.

I’d need to look at other teams picks to see if anybody would be willing to move up. I know the Patsy’s have a bunch of 2nd rounders but not sure if anyone else does.

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by Steel R on Mar 21, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

McLain is bigger, more experienced, is a known 3-4 commodity and probably slightly better fitting for us because we have a speedy ILB in timmons

"Every Day I walk past 6 Lombardi trophies not 6 rushing titles" - Greatest Tomlinism ever.

by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Mar 21, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

please.

We have what NINE PICKS?

We have 2 PRO BOWLERS coming back from I.R. Troy P. and Aaron Smith.

We have 2 rookie CBs who may step up….we hope….

We have re-signed Casey Hampton, Ryan Clark, Jeff Reed

Picked up Antwaan Randle El for backup at WR and QB, also Larry Foote …Will Allen at S or CB? and an O Line backup also.

We have no pressing need that will cripple us this season.

We need to move up in the draft if we get a chance. TOO MANY PICKS. If we sign all our picks and with everyone in FA we will be cutting a TON of players to get to 53!

The smartest approach THIS draft is to concentrate the talent in fewer picks. More talent less signings.

move up in first and hell maybe second if someone like pouncey or some such drops.

we have ZERO need for NINE draft picks. more than half will likely get cut.

stillers forums.com may you rest in peace. you rat basterds.

by Hi5Steeler on Mar 21, 2010 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

Alright, okay, I don't dance, no way, ...I just take my Terrible Towel out and wave it around in the air!!!!

by Steel R on Mar 21, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

-1

All 9 rooks wont make the team. They never do. Dont trade away mid round picks. If you want, trade the lower picks to move up in the middle rounds. The mid round guys in THIS draft will be future STARTERS.

This is the kind of draft that will have a big impact on how Steelers do this DECADE. Screw this up, and all those good players go to the other teams.

think LONG term, BIG PICTURE.

by SteelerMessican on Mar 21, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Packaged together, our 5th, 6th and 7th

round picks are worth about 60 points. That’s not enough to do anything in the first round, but in the middle rounds (as you suggest) you could really move up if someone catches your eye, up to 12 spots in the 3rd or from our 4th all the way into the late 3rd. If the players we want are there, I think that’s the way to go.

by riley570 on Mar 21, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

-2

for forgetting Redman

…shheeesshhh…..

by Steelchamps !! on Mar 22, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

to the -2 for forgetting Redman

"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.

by kick him in the head on Mar 24, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

This discussion is completely futile

we will only consider these sorts of trades if there is a guy we really want in a spot, its hard enough to predict the draft itself never mind think about trades.

"Every Day I walk past 6 Lombardi trophies not 6 rushing titles" - Greatest Tomlinism ever.

by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Mar 21, 2010 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

funny guy
-1 All 9 rooks wont make the team. They never do. Dont trade away mid round picks. If you want, trade the lower picks to move up in the middle rounds. The mid round guys in THIS draft will be future STARTERS.

This is the kind of draft that will have a big impact on how Steelers do this DECADE. Screw this up, and all those good players go to the other teams.

think LONG term, BIG PICTURE.

BALONEY.

Thats every draft every single year. blow a draft and it cripples you. Your point is moot. and your point validates mine. you wont keep all nine. you wont keep all the FAs possibly either.

we dont need a ton of mediocre players. we need a few STUDS.

we could EASILY draft another bruce davis in the 3rd ….yea we pick some good ones also but the top of the 1st round in draft and actually top of second will likely be steeler stars.

after that its as it always is. HIT AND MISS.

we have too many picks. need to concentrate them on better talent. and better talent is always higher percentage wise

stillers forums.com may you rest in peace. you rat basterds.

by Hi5Steeler on Mar 21, 2010 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Baloney = Bologna?

With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)

by John Stephens on Mar 21, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

no I was asking

Not sure if it was some word I didn’t know

With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)

by John Stephens on Mar 22, 2010 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Bruce Davis is great example. If you look at the current roster, where are the Steelers going to place even 5 people let alone 9? I just don’t see the need for the Steelers to sit idle in the first round. The top needs for the this season and the next few can be had in the first four rounds, specifically by moving up in the first.

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by Steel R on Mar 21, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any other year, I'm with ya

You miss the point. This draft aint like no other. It’s extraordinary deep, especially with the lineman. Lot of scouts agree it’s the best of the century. Many juniors came out early with the notion that the new collective bargaining agreement, (granted there is one) is going to hurt rookie contracts.

You can bring up the crappy 3rd or 4th rounders from yesterday, but that aint 2010. Those yesteryear players would be 6th, 7th rounders in this draft. The 3rd and 4th rounders in THIS draft will be STUDS.

You trade UP when there’s no talent available or when you have a BIG need. NOT the case here. Sure nothings guaranteed, and maybe one of those mid-rounders doesnt pan out, but hey you can say the same about 1st rounders.

As far as having too many picks? BALONEY! You saying we cant use more STUDS? You must be happy with our backup OTs, our aging DL, our backup LB’s, our backup S, our interior lineman, our 2nd string RB MeWelde Moore, oh and Matt Spaeth. I can see about 10 guys there we can cut and replace with a damn good rookie and nobody would shed a tear.

by SteelerMessican on Mar 21, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Recent third round picks, minus 2009

Bruce Davis – bust
Matt Speath – yawn
Willie Ried – no longer in the league
Trai Essex – ehh, either way
Max Starks – fine by me
Chris Hope – fine by me
Kedrick Clancey – yawn
Hank Poteat – ehh, either way
Hines Ward – HOF
Joey Porter – “Just know whenever you hit that turnpike, you’re going home a loser” said to Cleveland during pre-game warm-up circa 2006

I’m just sayin…

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by Steel R on Mar 21, 2010 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Trading Down

I wonder if there teams who really would want to trade up to the Steelers pick. There is so much talent at the bottom of the first it seems unlikely but I guess it is possible.

I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Mar 22, 2010 12:56 AM EDT reply actions  

You miss the point. This draft aint like no other. It’s extraordinary deep, especially with the lineman. Lot of scouts agree it’s the best of the century. Many juniors came out early with the notion that the new collective bargaining agreement, (granted there is one) is going to hurt rookie contracts.

bullshit. a few people say THIS YEARS DRAFT IS THE GREATEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yea what ever. prove it.

you cant. you are just regurgitating that YOU have HEARD from OTHERS this draft MAY be deep.

blah blah blah. im dead serious with that btw…

what deep draft???? really? show me. prove it. every draft is similar. you need to pick the diamonds out of the rough.

it aint rocket science and 2010 isnt a frigging gold mine.

and btw ryan leaft was a guaranteed hall of fame QB. drafted number two in draft.

seriously pipe down with the great draft deep draft baloney.

thats ALL conjecture.

what IS fact is that the top of the first couple rounds will be gold. after that its a crap shoot. hit or miss.

deep draft? not if you get unlucky and draft bruce davis or any number of dozens of steeler rejects that were complete wastes…willie read anyone…

give it a rest. its a draft for a reason. no one knows who will be great. you cant EVER say this draft isnt worth moving up in.

The ONLY thing certain and its not even really that…..is that the top 15 are all badasses.

we should move up

we cant sign and keep all our picks

we usually throw away almost half our draft.

we always hit BIG on first round.

logic thus states move up and hit bigger.

only are retarded mongoloid couldnt see the point now.

please retort

stillers forums.com may you rest in peace. you rat basterds.

by Hi5Steeler on Mar 22, 2010 3:35 AM EDT reply actions  

funny guy

Hard to come back against all that sound logic.

Look, how bout this? Trade away the 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders to get 5 draft picks in the 4 rounds. That makes more sense, then trading picks 2 thru 7 to move up in the 1st like you want to do.

And about the talent in THIS years draft, just look at Tyson Jackson. He went #3 OVERALL last year. Where do you think he would project THIS year with the stud d-lineman. Yeah, 2nd round.

by SteelerMessican on Mar 22, 2010 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dude,

you were starting to show some intelligence.

And then “retarded mongoloid”…

It’s fine if you want to debate and disagree with everyone.

Calling people names will never help your cause.

People are just gonna start ignoring you.

oh, and the double space thing..it’s getting old, but that’s just my opinion.

"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.

by kick him in the head on Mar 24, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

draft depth

Actually, If you read some of your comments, you will see that you contradict yourself. Saying… “what IS fact is that the top of the first couple rounds will be gold. after that its a crap shoot. hit or miss.” is completely asinine. How can only the top of the first couple rounds be gold?… If the top of round 2 is gold, would it not stand to reason that the whole 1st round is gold as well?? Using that logic,’ saying…“and btw ryan leaft was a guaranteed hall of fame QB. drafted number two in draft.” followed by….“The ONLY thing certain and its not even really that…..is that the top 15 are all badasses.” …is a complete contradiction of arguments. Either you think that the top 15 picks are all blue chip, or you believe that one or more of them could be Ryan Leaf. It really (logically) can’t be both. The fact of the matter is that many more underclassmen than usual declared this year because of the fear of a rookie wage scale being part of the next CBA. So, this years draft is deep. Once in a decade or two deep. Studs will be available through at least the first three rounds, if not the first four. Maybe all 9 picks won’t make the roster, but enough of them can create what coach Tomlin refers to as “quality depth and competition”

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