MHR Live Mock Draft Results
Hey guys, if you didn't know the Mile High Report (Broncos Blog) hosted a 3 round live mock draft today and I represented the steelers. My strategy was to trade back in the 1st round to acquire more picks, and I had talks with the Eagles, Bengals, Cardinals and even tried to get in touch with the Vikings, but nothing materialized. So i sat tight with our normal picks (18, 52, and 82 overall) and here's what I got:
18. Mike Iupati G, Idaho
If you've read my mocks before, you know I've had my eye on Iupati for a while. While the hope was to trade back and take Maurkice Pouncey, I have no problem with taking Iupati at 18. Having a first round talent on the Oline is something we've sorely missed and Iupati's versatility gives us some options for the future. We have Starks, Kemo, and Hartwig locked up for at least the next 3 years, a first round contract is usually about 4-5 years, so that would only leave locking up Colon long term and we'd have a young, yet battle-tested line for years to come. I also considered taking Kyle Wilson and Sean Weatherspoon, but with the defensive depth in this draft I decided Iupati was too good to pass up.
52. Morgan Burnett S, Georgia Tech
I've had us looking at Burnett in my past mocks as well, but that was more because he was the best safety that I thought would be available. After more research though, I'm convinced he'll be a great Steeler. He's a ball-hawking safety who's only weaknesses seem to be with consistency and learning when to spot the double-move. Those can be easily fixed with coaching however, and with Ryan Clark under contract we have the luxury of letting him learn. He's really instinctive and seems like Earl Thomas-light but with better skills (and size) for the run game. I'm so high on him I took him over Nate Allen and Chad Jones who both fell into the late second round.
82. Pat Angerer LB, Iowa
I know we signed Larry Foote and I know we need OLB depth. But I think Angerer could be special. He's a bit undersized but understands the game very well and shouldn't take long to contribute to the team. The best part: he's a vocal leader who could take the reigns from Farrior seamlessly. Once he gets comfortable in our system, he could pair very nicely with Timmons. And for those of you screaming for OLB depth, remember that Timmons is our backup OLB, and is a damn good one too. If Harrison or Woodley go down, Timmons goes outside while Farrior, Foote, and now Angerer man the middle. If Farrior, Foote, or Timmons gets injured, we have Angerer.
There you have it guys. Let me know what you think. Overall I'm pretty happy with the picks, although I think with some more time for wheeling and dealing I could've pulled some magic out of my hat. Oh well, next time.
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Excellent work dude
Love the idea of trading down. Too bad it didnt work, but hey you got a good lineman. Hopefully Colbert is like minded.
Who did the Ravens get? Tebow?
by SteelerMessican on Mar 21, 2010 10:40 PM EDT reply actions
I love the idea of moving down
but only to move up in every other round.
Start at around 25 and have 5 picks total two that cannot be moved. My guess is 5 and 6 but the other three late 1st and then two in the second and be done with it. No way more than 3 pick this year make the team.
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NICE
good calls every round…..lets hope this year’s draft pans out like we need and wish.
Nice draft
I tend to like Morgan Burnett as well. I think a very early draft report was done before last season and he was considered a top 10 prospect. It also seems like everyone is looking at who we can best pair with Polamalu, which is fine, but it does not seem to be the Steelers way. Were something to happen, and we drafted Thomas, we would be stuck with a bit of a one-dimensional safety, whereas we could retool the offense in the future around Burnett.
If possible, it might be interesting to post a link to the rest of the draft, just to get an idea on what other teams’ fanbases are thinking. I thought the beginning of the draft was pretty decent, though I am surprised that Dan Williams falls to 26. Further, notice where Kyle Wilson ends up going- 34. I think the talk of him at 18 is merely reaching for the second-best CB and packaging it as a pick based on potential.
Moreover, I know we have bashed Cody a bit, but it seems his stock has fallen to the point where he is taken only 4 spots (in this draft) above the 3rd best NT. That seems like value. Were we to trade down, I would not mind trying to get a guy like Pouncey and then maybe positioning ourselves to take a chance on Cody there.
Finally, I like Angerer, but both Arthur Jones of Syracuse and Sean Lee of PSU are falling to the late third. After Lee improved his 40 to a 4.55 at his pro day, though I am admittedly a PSU follower, I see little downside to this guy. Smart, tough, productive, strong, and good speed. Other than the ACL injury and some minor concerns about size, he seems like he could be a steal there. For those that have watched a lot of PSU football, how is he much different from Posluszy and yet he is expected to come almost 50 picks later.
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
yea that was the thinking behind moving down
if we can move down to a late 20s pick, there will still be great picks like Pouncey, Brandon Graham, Kyle Wilson, Jared Odrick or yes even Mount Cody. there will also be great players in rounds 2-3 so my hope was to get as many 2-3 round picks as i could. i had my eye on Alex Carrington, Daryl Washington, Vladimir Ducasse, and obviously Burnett and thats the reason i was disappointed i couldnt get any trades done.
and yea i was really surprised to see williams fall to the cards. I think the dolphins shouldve taken him over graham, who is a huge reach at 12. and we all took time to point that out right after he made that pick :)
also, your point about sean lee is a good one. i really like lee too and during the draft i was second guessing myself the whole time about who i should take. the thing that made me choose angerer were his “intangibles”. Lee might be great, but he seems like more of a quiet leader than angerer. I wanted someone who knew how to lead and be vocal about the game. i dont think we’ve really had that kind of presence in the locker room since peezy left, and i think that had a lot to do with our 5 game slide last year. i dont really think we could go wrong in that situation, but i felt like angerer was more right.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Mar 22, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
Solid, well-reasoned points. Though before someone else gets the wrong idea, I would not take Cody above any of those players you mention. Merely, if we could swing a trade where we move down around 8-10 slots, we could manage to get Pouncey, and then depending on what we get in return either take Cody, or trade up to get him around 40.
The one thing I will say on Lee, though, is that I am not sure how quiet he is exactly. I remember when he was out for the year, and he seemed to be doing a fair amount of communicating and cheering on the sideline. I guess for me, as far as ‘intangibles’, Angerer may have the attitude whie Lee seems like a guy that could never be easily confused by the opposing offensive scheme and, were we so lucky, could be coached up by Lebeau for a few years and then retain a bit of that ‘presence’ after he is retired. Moreover, we have not had a PSU guy in a while, and it has been even longer since we have drafted one. I am getting antsy.
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
Lee as a Steeler
Tarheel at heart but my father-in-law is a big PSU fan. So he keeps me informed about Linebacker U. Would also like to see Lee in Black-n-Gold.
by Pittsblitz56 on Mar 22, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Where is Tebow man?!
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Nice Picks
I like the first two, but I have never heard of the 3rd guy.
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
Angerer? He's been the Steelers 3rd pick every time I mocked
SC#2’s picks are exactly what I have been saying for a couple months, before I stopped participating in draft threads. Although I have waffled on the 1st pick, sometimes going with Wilson and Pouncey over Iupati, and even thought about getting Allen instead of Burnett, Angerer has always been my 3rd rounder.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Uh oh
You are catching on to the fact that I ignore your posts. Haha
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
by John Stephens on Mar 22, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Johnny=mean :)
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Just playing with him. I don’t read a ton of mock stuff because I know so little about college ball. I generally don’t pay much attention outside of the 1st and 2nd.
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
by John Stephens on Mar 22, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Surely you knew I was joking. :)
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
no he didn't
and don’t call him Shirley
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Mar 22, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
don't you love it when a plan works out?
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
When SteelFever catches this
The sh*ts gonna hit the fan.
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 22, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
striker striker!!
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
I've got a question
Where does Iupati play on the OL if we draft him. because Kemo is firmly set at LG, I don’t see him playing at either Tackle spot. The only spot I see open for a positon battle is RG with Trai Essex and thats about it. Also I don’t think that if he didn’t get the Starting RG spot he would be a back-up for Kemo because Ramon Foster showed some promise as a back-up to the best pulling gaurd(not named Allen Faneca) in the league. But that is just my opinion what do you all think
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By everything I have heard and seen
… he would slot in at RG and become a mainstay there for the next decade, at least ideally. Maybe, if Kemo struggles with his footwork, then they switch the two. Also, Foster is good, but I believe he was initially brought in as a RT, so he would become a stud backup, and we see where else he might fit. Nevertheless, there would be a reason that Foster was undrafted and Iupati is a strong first-rounder.
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
You need to look at how many Probowlers are undrafted
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
as well as how many first-rounders are All-Pros
I am guessing the numbers will skew heavily toward the latter.
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
Not as much as you think trust me
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Including long snappers
Pro Bowlers 12-5 1st round to undrafted since 2000. Just a thought.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
What about without long snappers and other positions like K/P?
Just curious. In fact, for this, I am more concerned with OL and DL, even though those are not the typical glamor positions.
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I didn't include DL because I was looking at OL
it was all OL
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Fair enough
I got the reply a bit late, but I looked at it a bit differently. With respect only to Guards, and going by Pro Bowl appearences 2003 and after, I found 9-2. Those two were Kris Dielman and the aforementioned Brian Waters. There were two 6th rounders, those being Jahri Evans of the Saints and Marco Rivera, but the rest were first rounders, and almost always guys drafted on day one. When you look at the repeat perfomers, again aside from Waters and Rivera, they are with a couple exceptions all first rounders (Logan Mankins, Alan Faneca, Steve Hutchinson, Leonard Davis, Will Shields, Shawn Andrews, Larry Allen, and Ruben Brown). The two exceptions are Chris Snee (2nd) and, yes, LeCharles Bentley (2nd).
I want end on that note, but just stating that, given Gs are so rarely grades as first-round talent, that when they are, it seems they are one of the safer positions to draft. That could be another area to research if others so decide.
Thanks Arn for keeping me honest and making sure I actually back up my wild statements.
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
Yeah
I just did a comparison between 1st and 3rd rounders last year and it surprised me. Then I went on to look at undrafted linemen and I was surprised how many stuck.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
In retrospect
I worded the initial argument wrong. I like Foster, but if someone is available like an Iupati, worthy of a first-round grade, I would not look at it as a luxury, but rather as a potential cornerstone for the future while a guy like Foster, although potentially quite good, could not offer that same level. The sheer amount of first rounders as Pro Bowlers speaks for itself.
By the way, I quickly went back to 1995, and looked at the total number of guards drafted in the first round. Needless to say, the list is quite small: Ruben Brown, Hartings (listed as G), Chris Naeole, Faneca, Hutchinson, Kendall Simmons, Mankins, Davin Joseph, and Ben Grubbs.
To me, it is amazing that every one of those is a Pro Bowler beside Simmons, Naeole, and Grubbs. And let’s be honest, the last guy never had a chance going to the Ravens… Even excluding Hartings, that is a 67.5% success rate of first-round guards becoming Pro Bowlers. Heck, even if the downside is another Simmons, that is not too bad to my mind.
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
Did you look at undrafted as well?
And I think more recent would be a better model That’s why I went back to 2000.
By the way I saw what your point was, but I’m saying if you have players that get the job done albeit not at a pro bowl level, but a play maker comes your way. You take that playmaker unless you are already set there i.e. Big Ben.
Case and point: We let Faneca (a pro bowler) go and filled his spot with a backup and won a Super Bowl. Playmakers on Defense and Offense won the game. While Pro Bowl Linemen don’t grow on trees it’s easier to finds linemen that can get the job done than finding playmakers.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
I was thinking about this more last night (sorry for the length)
Admittedly, the final point does not hold much merit, but it was more of an offhand comment rather than being the brunt of the argument. Methodologically, I agree that more recent should be the focus, especially given the increase in salaries to guards after Derrick Dockery’s contract. However, the sample size tends to be quite small, so it cuts both ways. Additionally, a better approach would be to analyze each position relatively, given the fact that, even though first-round guards have an incredibly high success rate, relatively it may not provide too much ‘value-added’ compared to other positions (which I believe was your point).
I like what I have seen Foster, very much so, yet I am becoming more and more impressed with Iupati, both as a player and a person. I think we have lacked a strong leader on the OL since the retirement of Hartings and the ‘money-chasing’ ;) of Faneca. From what I have read of Iupati, he was widely considered one of the most impressive draft prospects at the combine, given strong accolades for his presence and general manner of expression. For this reason, Iupati might be quite a special prospect. Furthermore, I am sipping the koolaid a bit as far as what we have done in FA. By getting Foote, Clark, and Allen, it seems like we have done so much more than fill only three roster spots. Instead, it seems that now Timmons, Fox, Mundy, and various others can more successfully fill their roles.
In drafting Iupati, it would provide depth and competition, which is arguably lacking at G more than any other position besides CB. Sans drafting a strong prospect at guard, we are left with Urbik, Essex, and Foster at RG. Iupati would, hopefully, allow those guys to not be overwhelmed and instead, upgrade not only our starting line, but also our depth immensely. Honestly, the domino effect of adding one excellent player could make the G position a strength.
And, I know that Kemo was injured last year, but I almost wonder in a year or two if he wouldn’t switch to RG and allow Iupati to slide into LG, since Iupati seems to have decent pass protection skills. After all, when the Jets attempted to sign him, it wasn’t going to be as a LG (where Faneca plays), so then we could have LGs as Iupati/Foster and RGs as Kemo/Urbik with Essex sliding back and forth. Or, conversely, maybe even Iupati slides to RT when it becomes apparent that we cannot keep Colon, given the impending extensions to Woodley, Holmes, and Timmons.
Finally, I understand your point, though it is very difficult to extrapolate from a one-time occurrence. Some might look at Dilfer’s championship with the Ravens and say that QBs are overrated, or at the Patriots dominance and say that you cannot win by running the ball. Aside from our 2008 OL, looking back over the other six most recent champions, all had fairly outstanding offensive lines. Maybe a bit subjective, but Saints (2009), Giants (2007), Colts (2006), us (2005), and Patriots (2003 and 2004), if I remember correctly, all had pretty strong OL. So, yes, we have Ben and that potentially reduces the need a bit for a dominant OL, but just because we won a Super Bowl in 2008 with an average O-Line does not mean that is the norm. In fact, looking at the list of highly drafted guards, one team stands out more than the rest, and that is the Steelers. Has there been a change in philosophy from Cowher to Tomlin, or rather has the opportunity not presented itself?
On the final sentence, I think it can be argued that the thirst for playmakers, although necessary, is partially to blame for the Steelers woes on third-down conversions. I remember after drafting Sweed and Mendenhall, when asked about not drafting a lineman, Tomlin stated that there is more than one way to become better on 3rd downs. The evidence seems to be skewing against this belief, and if I remember correctly, playmakers did in fact win that game, but only after our inability to maintain possession and impose our will allowed the Cards to gain momentum and eventually take the lead, necessitating that excellent drive and miraculous catch.
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
Wow
you really did think about this a lot! You realize I wasn’t opposing Iupati as a pick right?
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Yeah, I apologize again for the length
I am too lazy to edit to any great extent, so I tend to resign myself to posting, and then this comes out after a long bikeride home.
It seemed a natural corollary to the argument against Foster as the starter next year to talk about what else Iupati brings to the table, and thereby indirectly discuss why some guys become hyped into first-round status
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It all comes back around
sometimes the orbit is lonnnnnnnnnger
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
I guess then
my orbit would be more related to Pluto’s: exceptionally long, highly irregular, quite elliptical, and occasionally downgraded from planet status…
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
You're far too tough on yourself
Let’s say Neptune. I was going to be more friendly and say Uranus but I thought about the responses it may draw from this crowd at BTSC.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
I have never been good with blind faith, just a talent I lack
There are a few, and this list should be a good starting point
http://national-football-league-nfl.suite101.com/article.cfm/undrafted_nfl_all_star_team
Among those, who are Hall of Famers? Moon, Warner, Randle, Lane, Gates, maybe Harrison and Holmes, but doubtful. Just to point out, and I love FWP, but he is 11th on that list.
From that entire list (from Bouchette originally, it seems), the only OL are Saturday, Waters, and Peters. Why is that important? One, we are talking about Gs, and two, after taking into account WRs who were judged negatively for ‘lack of measurables’ or QBs, where the intangibles are so important, the list decreases substantially.
Anyways, lacking a clean resolution, I will say my point was and remains that Iupati has athleticism that Foster could only dream of and, although not a guarantee, substantially increases the probability of his long-term success.
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
My point is you are not guaranteed success because you draft
an offensive lineman in the first round any more than playuing an undrafted lineman en lieu of said first rounder. So saying Foster was undrafted is an excuse for drafting an o lineman in the first round is weak.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Whoever wrote that completely forgot
that Priest Holmes even existed
"Every Day I walk past 6 Lombardi trophies not 6 rushing titles" - Greatest Tomlinism ever.
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Mar 22, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, it was the wrong link
My apologies, and, not that it matters, but here is the one that I was thinking of: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/155896-25-best-undrafted-nfl-players#page/2 . I believe that the above link only lists active players.
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
CB, CB, CB, CB ....
Did you forget we had Ike Taylor and William Gay as starters this past year?
Taylor is fine
Gay…not so much.
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
by John Stephens on Mar 23, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Also
I believe that one of our young draft picks might be able to step in by week 1. And, I am quite interesting in Trae Williams in camp.
With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)
by John Stephens on Mar 23, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions

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