Unique OT Situations
I don't know about you, but I'm thrilled with the new OT change. Art Rooney II also voted in favor of it...begrudgingly because he felt it didn't go far enough. But regardless if you agree with this change or not, I'm sure you're interested in how some of the finer points of the new rule work.
One thing is for certain, this rule is slightly more complex than the "first score wins" OT rule. Since you all are a well informed group of football fans I'll try not to bore you with the basic rule and focus on unique situations. We all know the basic rule change is the team not receiving first (team B) is guaranteed a possession if team A (who received first) only scores a field goal with their first possession. If team B ties the score with a field goal, then it goes to sudden death.So what counts as a "possession?"
It counts as a lost possession if you turnover the ball on offense (interception/fumble), punt, turnover on downs, safety, fail to prevent an onsides kick, or fumble during the kickoff.
Onsides kick counts?
The receiving team's possession begins once the kicker's foot touches the ball, so if the receiving team doesn't recover the kickoff then that counts as their "possession." If Team A scores a field goal on their first possession and recovers an onsides kick on the ensuing kickoff, Team B loses their possession and Team A wins the game. If Team B recovers an onsides kick at the beginning of OT, then it's sudden death because that was Team A's possession. I'm curious if other teams will try an onsides kick to start OT to rob teams of their possession.
What happens if there is a safety?
The team getting the safety wins the game. It counts as a possession for the team being tackled in its own endzone and it's points for the other team. It results in a win for the team scoring the safety in any situation...except if the team getting the safety is down by 3 points.
A 3-2 OT score?
Team A scores a field goal with the first possession of OT. Team B drives the whole way down the field and is close to scoring a TD to win the game, but they throw an interception. The defender runs the ball into the endzone by accident and is tackled for a safety. Team A wins because that was Team B's possession.
What happens if a team turns over the ball and during that same play the defender who got the ball fumbles it back to the offense?
If that happens during regulation, the offense gets a 1st & 10 regardless where on the field it occurs because the ball changed possession twice during the same play. During overtime it counts as a possession for the offense...even though they still end up with the ball. So if it's Team A with the first possession of OT, then OT is now sudden death. If it's Team B with their first possession (and Team A scored a field goal) then the game is over. Team B didn't score on their possession opportunity.
What if the offense scores on that weird 2-turnovers-on-the-same-play? Something like this.
That team wins the game. If it was Team A with the first possession of OT, not only did they score a TD but also they did it when OT was sudden death. If it's Team B who pulls a Meachem when they were down by 3 during their first possession, they win because they'll be up 6-3.
But I thought you said they lost their possession when they turned over the ball, even if they got it back?
They do BUT the game isn't over until the play is over. So their only chance to win the game is if they score on that same play. I hope the Steelers educate the players to fall down if they get a turn over and the Steelers are already up in OT.
An aside note for you gamblers out there: it is possible that a team can win by 9 points if it goes to OT. Team A scores a field goal with their first possession and then scores a defensive TD off a turnover. That might help win a barroom bet.
What do you think of the new OT rule:
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Maby I am missing something but ...
Not trying to be a smart ass but I don’t think this can happen:
What happens if there is a safety?
The team getting the safety wins the game. It counts as a possession for the team being tackled in its own endzone and it’s points for the other team. It results in a win for the team scoring the safety in any situation…except if the team getting the safety is down by 3 points.
The team getting the safety can not be down by 3 points because that means that the other team used it’s previous possession to go up by 3 with a FG.
After the FG, that team would kick off and therefore would only be in position to get a safety themselves, thus winning by 5. But they can not suffer a safety.
Am I wrong?
What he means...
is that team B throws and interception. Team A’s player then goes into the endzone, but not of his own momentum, but rather trying to return the ball for some reason. This would put him in position to be tackled for a safety, the game ending 3-2 in OT.
by TheRebelMonk on Mar 25, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
When team A intercepts the game is over
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
As long as he's smart enough to go down
by TomlinsPuffyJacket on Mar 25, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
the game doesnt end until the play is over
Doesn't matter unless he fumbles and the other team gets a TD
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
yeah it doesnt matter in terms of W/L
just thought it was interesting that there can be a 3-2 overtime score.
I vote for a football version of the hockey-style shoot-out
Picture this: you get your best offensive player and put him on the 20 yard line (going into the end zone) with the ball. The opposing team gets its best defender and lines him up on the goal line. The ref blows the whistle. It’s one-on-one, backyard football! Score and your team gets seven. Get tackled and the other team gets it’s chance. Imagine the match-ups! Adrian Peterson vs. Troy Polamalu! Santonio vs. Ed Reed! A hockey shoot-out with football players. We need to make this happen, people…
"Great things are not accomplished by those who yield to trends and to fads and to popular opinion." -- Jack Kerouac
by cliff harris is still a punk! on Mar 25, 2010 9:30 AM EDT reply actions
I'd put Deebo as my offensive and defensive player
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by John Stephens on Mar 25, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I like that!
Bizarro-world OT: Deebo vs. Deebo. Who wins?
"Great things are not accomplished by those who yield to trends and to fads and to popular opinion." -- Jack Kerouac
by cliff harris is still a punk! on Mar 25, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Deebo of course.
The problem is since Deebo can not lose in one on one competition (no holding allowed) the world would come to an end.
If you buy a foreign made product you give money to a person who will not be buying an American made product that you get paid to make. Think about it next time you're at the store.
but they wouldn't call the hold on Deebo.
so the question still stands
"God blessed me with the talent I have." - Deebo
How about Deebo vs Chuck Norris
With Tim Tebow as the official?
"Don't Call It A Comeback"
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 25, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Tebow calls tie
before the universe collapses on itself
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
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He didn’t DO anything TO YOOUUU
this is stupid
No offense to those who like the rule but this:
Onsides kick counts?
The receiving team’s possession begins once the kicker’s foot touches the ball, so if the receiving team doesn’t recover the kickoff then that counts as their “possession.” If Team A scores a field goal on their first possession and recovers an onsides kick on the ensuing kickoff, Team B loses their possession and Team A wins the game. If Team B recovers an onsides kick at the beginning of OT, then it’s sudden death because that was Team A’s possession. I’m curious if other teams will try an onsides kick to start OT to rob teams of their possession.
So you can recover the onside kick after a field goal and win the game? I mean that just sounds inane. You aren’t scoring any points, you just recovered the ball. I dunno its so wierd. I really don’t like it. Its just seems to defeat the purpose of changing the rule. The other offense doesn’t get to touch the ball anyways. Isn’t that the point of this rule so both offenses get to touch the ball? to me it just seems like you should have to score to win the game, not recover an onsides kick.But thats just my whole whacky thinking, too many rules jeez. someone please sit down and tutor D. McNabb on these rules.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
exactly
i don’t think it’s stupid, though. it’s how it works during the rest of the game…you recover an onside kick and you basically steal/switch the alternating of possessions. plus, i think it’s a bad job on the receiving team’s part if they arent able to recover an onsides kick.
admittedly, i may have played it up a little. if teams go for it at the beginning of OT, they’re risking giving their opponents the ball on their 40…although they’d still have their chance for a possession (if they dont let up a TD). teams could attempt an onsides kick after they got a field goal. yes, they win if they get it BUT if they dont the other team is practically already in field goal range for the tie…or could score a TD and win. although it may encourage teams to try because they’d still get the ball first when if it goes to sudden death.
you could always support a rule change like what ohiosteel suggested below. i’m sure we’ve all seen a game where a team kick offs squib-kick style, the ball bounces around, and the kicking team recovers without the receiving team ever having possession. i really think that should count as a possession (theoretically/philosophically speaking).
bottom line: i really like it because all it’s doing is re-weighting the risks and benefits of things. with how football is played, football OT is far more like baseball OT than it is like hockey, soccer, or basketball.
it works during the game
but the game isn’t necessarily always over on an onside kick, not like that at least you would still have to run the time out but in the weird world of OT time doesn’t matter unless you go to sudden death?
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 26, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You really think anyone would dare
try an onside kick to start OT? If it failed, the other guys would end up with the ball in crazy ridiculous field po.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
by chewiesteeler on Mar 26, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe, just maybe
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 26, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Only somebody crazy enough
to call an onsides-kick to open the second half of a big game (like a Superbowl) would be crazy enough to call an OSK at the opening of OT in the P/O’s this year.
/or something
onsides kicks
should be banned in the new OT, change the rule that the ball must go 20 yrds in overtime or else its a penalty. Onside kick is a desperation move to come back from multiple scores and really has no place in OT.
Onside kick is not always desperation
As a Steelers fan you should know better!
It’s often desperation, but as we well know from the Burgh, it can also be a gutsy move.
by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Mar 28, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
The continuing argument...
…is that everything that contributes to the game in regulation has a place in the O.T. If one were to ban parts of the game, I would simply ban the kickoff, give the receiving team the ball on the 20, and ditch the rest of the new nonsense where an overtime thriller could end anti-climatically on an incomplete pass. If the receiving team starts on the 20, then there’s some real benefit to a 3 and out in terms of field position.
It seems that the sacred part of overtime should be that the game always, always, always ends with a scoring play.
really disagree with you there
it’s nice to see OT end with a score, but football OT is more similar to baseball than to hockey or soccer than ppl realize. an epic game where a team is trying to make a comeback can end on an incomplete pass. that’s not anti-climatic. i dont think super bowl XLIII was anti-climatic because it ended with a turnover by warner & us kneeling out the ball instead of our touchdown. even if it had ended with an incomplete pass by warner it still would have been an epic game and the final play wouldnt have detracted from it.
and you CAN’T take away special teams. they’re just as important as any other aspect of the game.
good point...think of this though
*Receiving team has an advantage in that TD wins it, no possession for kicking team
*Other hand, if receiving team kicks FG, opponent is in rare position (similar to late 4Q) of being in “4-down territory” all the time
No great answer really
i agree that this solution isn't perfect but it's a lot better than past system (and what's still being used for the regular season)
good points but i’ll counter with this:
-does the team kicking off really deserve an opportunity to try to score if they let up a TD? i know a team can argue their defense did a good job only letting up field goals as long as their offense can counter TD’s. but their defense did a bad job by letting up TD’s.
-yes, by going second they get the advantage of knowing what score they need and getting 4 downs to get it. but it’s not straight up an advantage, because 1) if they let up a TD they never get their possession. 2) if they only tie with another field goal, then other team gets the ball first in sudden death OT.
that’s why i like this system because it’s not a straight up advantage for one team like the last system. the team receiving first still gets more of an advantage, but not as much as before.
I agree...
*That a team giving up a TD to start O.T. should not then have an offensive opportunity
*The advantage of knowing if one needs a FG to tie, FG to win, or TD to win is some compensation for ceding possession at the onset of O.T.
Acknowledging that the gospel is to include all special teams, my preference would still be to start the extra session on the 20, and continue the sudden death format.
Be interesting to see the fallout after the first playoff O.T. game.
i'm just glad they did something & are giving it a try. having 22% of OT games essentially decided by a coin toss was too much IMO
i have a feeling most ppl are going to be happy with the change once they see it in action. it may sound a little complex/crazy right now, but the only games affected will be those where the team receiving first gets a field goal on their first possession (granted that happens a fair amount). all other scenarios will end up having the same result as they would if it was the old system. i do realize that though it could change the thinking process at the time decisions were made thus leading to different decisions and different outcomes,
The positive....
….is that it should change the thinking process once the receiving team reaches the opposing 30 yard line, knowing they can end the game with a TD, but it continues with a FG. Have to say that one of the disturbing trends, both in OT and at the end of regulation lately, are coaches “settling” for FG attempts that are by no means gimmes, 48-yarders, 50-yarders, etc.
yeah
“settling” for those ultra-long field goals always made me scratch my head…and laugh hysterically when something goes wrong like it did for the vikings at the end of regulation against the saints.
speaking of that, i kinda always thought that was anti-climatic when in OT the team drives down to like the 10, basically knees it twice before kicking a field goal that’s practically impossible to miss. i’ve turned off games before on because it’s like a 2% chance the team won’t make it. i’m glad this system will decrease the number of times that happens.

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