Eric Berry
by mojo88 on Mar 3, 2010 7:04 AM EST
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PrintPat Kirwan from NFL.com released his first mock draft today. This is the third mock draft from NFL.com experts which has Eric Berry falling significantly. In this case, he's still available at pick 10, while previously Bucky Brooks had him dropping into the early teens. I know we've discussed this before, but if he was still available at 10, would anyone be opposed to trading up to get him?
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d816b3cfa&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
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Nope, definitely not opposed to it
Walker on ESPN had a good comment. He does not see it as very likely for the Steelers to trade into the top 10, but if a player they have as worthy of top 10 falls in the 12-15 range, it would be a much stronger possibility for them to trade up.
Doubtful though that Berry would fall that far.
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
Berry had a good combine
If a DB falls, it may be Haden, who posted some unexpectedly low 40 times.
by SteelerMessican on Mar 3, 2010 7:56 AM EST up reply actions
I think that's the real new here
Haden dropped quite a few spots because of a subpar 40 time and would be tremendous value at 18 or worth a move up if he’s still around in the early teens…
Consider it unleashed!
Honestly, how horrible is that draft be for us?
First off, I don’t know too much about Patrick Robinson, but have yet to be impressed. I remember that he was often mock drafted by the Steelers a few months ago, but that seemed to dissipate after the Senior Bowl. Further, none of the guys, other than Iupati, that we have targeted seem to be available at 18.
Plus, the Bengals get Tate, the Ravens get Dez Bryant (!), the Browns get Haden, and the Patriots get Graham.
Ouch…
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
Mays?
Had a great 40 time…especially for a bigger guy! He would be a great hybrid SS/LB playing next to troy!
Where would have play on most downs?
The only time he’d be useful is on 3rd down when we put him in as a big safety/blitzer, and he’s not that great of a tackler. Do you want to spend that high of a pick on a one down player?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
She obviously has never seen Mays play before.
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 3, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Who Willie?
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Taylor Mays
Or Lee Mays for that matter.
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 3, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
He may run like Mays but he hits like $h!+
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Major League reference
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Are you saying Jesus couldn't hit a curveball?
by TomlinsPuffyJacket on Mar 3, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
up your butt jobu
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
We wear caps and sleeves at this level, son....
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Hat for bat
keep Jobu warm
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
why would he not be able to play the run??
Mays can handle the run..
by nycsteelerfan on Mar 3, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
this
he’ll blow some guys up but in the NFL backs will break his poor tackles.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
He’ll blow up his own teammates on top of that because he doesn’t use discretion when lining up his hits. There were quite a few times when I remember him going to lay out a receiver and taking out his own corner as well.
I think that our corners
are perfectly capable of taking themselves out, without help from the safety. I say no thanks.
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Mar 4, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
I am going to get a lot of slack for this
but seeing him I think he is an upgrade over Clark..definitely Carter. I think Dad would love to have and interesting pawn like Mays to play with. He needs the right coaching, obviously, but who doesnt. I would be happy if we drafted him
No slack or flack...just evil looks >(
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
lol
|:) Joe Flacco
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Does he smile?
Or is it [: |
To try and fail may be unacceptable, but failing to try, is accepting failure.
by alfresco on Mar 4, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah that's it
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
I don't think we're talking about the same guy
Either that or you’ve never seen Taylor Mays play. You can’t justify drafting a guy because of a combine workout. That’s what the Lions do.
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 4, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Raiders
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Matt Millen
Marvin Lewis
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
yeah I have seen him play.
If he would have came out his junior like he should have we wouldnt be talking about this. Same thing with Leinart..wanted to stay one more year and hang out with the hot SC coeds.
Thought you might like this signature
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I used for awhile because I thought it was funny. It came from a Mocking the Draft post, and the Bucs fan was trying to defending his O-line. While I doubt you may use it to defend, thought you may like it. Anyway, that is it’s history, and you are welcome to it.
To try and fail may be unacceptable, but failing to try, is accepting failure.
Bryant behind Tate
Does anyone actually see that as being a legit possibility? Everything I have heard so far says Dez Bryant is far and away better than anyone other receiver. As for Tate, one thing I’ve heard is he really struggles getting separation from college DBs, he won’t have a prayer in the NFL so I hope the ravens or Bengals take them.
I think Mardy Gilyard
is in these guys’ league. This dude has balls. I’m not saying he’s best at their game but his game translated to output is equal to theirs. Like comparing Hines to T.O. Gilyard would be Hines…the other two would be T.O.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Tate
was really impressive at combine. Don’t forget he won the Biletnikoff this year. Posted a low 4.4 40 time and showed good route running. Because of his suspension, Dez Bryant may fall, we won’t know. I wouldn’t say it’s impossible that Tate goes first
I am not a proponent of trading up in a draft
but if a difference maker like Berry falls out of the top 10, I say go for it.
Someone else said on another post that nobody was afraid to throw on us last year. With His Hairiness and Berry prowling downfield, I don’t think anyone would feel safe passing on us, even with Ike and Gay back there…
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Wow, If Berry fell that far, how much would it cost to get up to 10 and draft him?
We don’t have a ton of needs, but we do need depth, I wouldn’t want to dump all our good picks for one guy, but he might be worth our 1st and 2nd.
Give 'em Willie Colon straight up
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
According to chart
The #10 pick (1300pts) almost equals #18 pick (900 pts) + #52 pick (380 pts).
To me thats a high price. The key is Troy. Do we really need an ALL-PRO back there if we already have Troy. I’d much rather snag a good FS in the 2nd, and get a lineman in the 1st. Cant see Berry being better than Nate Allen + Mike Iupati/Dan Williams.
by SteelerMessican on Mar 3, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree
you can never get too many all-pro’s. And if you know for sure that the player will reach that level than you forgo lower level picks for that player. There’s plenty of players out there that are average. There’s very few special players.
by Chicago Steeler on Mar 3, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
But this is a VERY deep draft
Your talking about taking an ALL PRO safety over a pro bowl NT + pro bowl S. Yes it’s nice to have 2 All Pro safetys, but I’d rather have the latter. If this draft wasnt so deep, I’d agree with you, but there are some really really good players available in round 2.
by SteelerMessican on Mar 3, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Good point
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 4, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Nice sentiment
you can never get too many all-pro’s
but the question is, how many all-pros can we afford?
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Mar 4, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Berry if versatile enough to play either safety position. He can play centerfield and in the box. He could be the eventual successor to Troy when the time comes for him to hang it up. Troy is 29 years old, and a devote Greek Orthodox family man, do you really see him playing until his body won’t hold up anymore? As much as I’d like to have him on the team forever I can see him playing until he’s 35 then retiring. That’s 6 years from now. If we draft Berry and sign him to what would probably be a 5 year rookie deal, When it comes time to pay him the big bucks Troy will be winding down his career so financially it would balance out.
We take Berry in the first, Linval Joseph in thee second if we gamble away our 3rd and 4th. Or we take Berry in the first, Torrell Troup in the 3rd, and Joe Pawelek or Sean Lee in the 4th.
It all sounds good to me.
they will have to trade up at least 6 or 7 spots to grab Berry, like when they traded 11 spots from the 27th to get Polamalu at 18th overall.
thats 9 spots....
"Every Day I walk past 6 Lombardi trophies not 6 rushing titles" - Greatest Tomlinism ever.
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Mar 3, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
It's been reported that the Jagoffs
want to trade down. They pick @ #10…
11 and 12 are Broncos and phins, respectively…
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Berry had a great combine
I’m not sure what that writer was watching. You got to be careful of some of these older writers and scouts because the game has passed them by. No way he falls to us unless we trade up.
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 3, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
He's not going to fall that far...
Over at the Brown’s site, they’re hoping and praying that he falls to them at pick number 7.
Nine total picks, probably?
No way more than 5 make the roster. I say trade a bunch of times and get;
OC/OG Pouncey in the late first. Move down in first and up in the rest.
ILB, FS, OLB, NT in rounds 2-4 (not necessarily in that order) and be done with it.
Won’t work exactly due to comp picks, but basically the idea.
If you buy a foreign made product you give money to a person who will not be buying an American made produdt that you get paid to make. Think about it next time you're at the store.
+1
Like that idea, but would nice to add Hardesty somewhere in there.
by SteelerMessican on Mar 3, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
What about Major Wright?
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
If we skip safety in the first 2 rounds he is a solid 3-4th rounder
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Mar 3, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
That's doable
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Wright is more of a hitter
He’s not really a guy you want at FS because he goes for the big hit often (sound familiar?). And he has a tendency to bite on playaction.
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 3, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
So you just describe Rod Woodson
you can’t lump them all together. I think he’s worth the reach.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Put him at SS
let troy go to FS, lets him hit less and ballhawk more
by TomlinsPuffyJacket on Mar 3, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
How many former Gators have performed well in the NFL?
That’s another good reason to stay away from him.
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 3, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Assuming that we don't sign Clark
I say move Troy anyhow – I would like to see him out of the scrum as much as possible…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Mar 4, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
It would probably extend his career.
But he reads the offensive play so quickly, he’s extremely effective closer to the line of scrimmage. LeBeau has to love that.
To try and fail may be unacceptable, but failing to try, is accepting failure.
I'd much rather wait and draft Earl Thomas
the only diffrences between him and Berry are 1 inch 3-4 pounds. Mayock even ranks him higher than Berry!
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
No offense to Mayock but he’s smoking something if he thinks Thomas is better than Berry. Eric Berry is a complete player. He has size, strengh, speed, coverage ability, instints, great character, and is a phenominal tackler. I like Thomas, I even have him mocked to the Steelers in my draft, but I would much rather trade up for Berry if he manages to slip to the 10th pick.
Mayock thinks Thomas the most instinctive safety in this draft
Why trade up to ten when you can trade to I don’t know 15 and getting Thomas
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
Like I said, no offense to Mayock but he’s wrong about that one. Thomas is a good talent, but not as good as Berry. I’ll concide that he may have better hands and is maybe a little faster, but Berry is great in all facets of the game. Thomas is a poor tacker, mostly due to his lean frame, but Berry is phenomial when asked to drop into the box.
I’ll take the guy who came onto campus and started in the SEC as a true freshman, then followed it up with back-to-back unanimous All-American seasons, over the guy who redshirted freshman year and is now jumping to the NFL after only playing two seasons of college ball, though he was a first team All-American.
I would too
Im just saying it doesn’t seem like there is much difference between the two of them
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
I hate making comparisons to elite players
But Berry might be the closest thing to Ed Reed I’ve seen in some time. Let’s hope he stays out of the AFC North (except if it’s with us).
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 3, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Mayock really likes Eric Burry.
Brian: Face it Peter, you get competitive about everything.
Peter: I am so not competitive. In fact, I am the least non-competitive. So I win.
Mayock usually knows what he's talking about.
Unlike those two BFFs on ESPN.
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 3, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
gray?
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