A Look at the Steelers' Future Salary Cap Situation
by BadMaafala on Mar 3, 2010 2:41 PM EST
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There's been a lot of talk about how Casey Hampton's extension may affect extensions for players more important to our future, particularly LaMarr Woodley and Santonio Holmes. Obviously there are questions as to whether there will be a cap or even revenue sharing in the coming years, and I have no idea how that will affect the Steelers spending. Still, here's an estimation of how we're set up cap-wise if there is one.
Some notes: Most of this data has been taken from Rotoworld, which has a lot of typically scarce NFL salary data. For a good number of these contracts, they have salary breakdowns for each year. For the contracts that don't have those breakdowns (marked with an *), I just divided the contract amount by the number of years, which is rarely how they're actually structured. I'm calculating signing bonus cap hits the same way, which is a more valid but not bulletproof assumption. There are (or were) a bunch of weird rules for calculating cap space which I'm not going to attempt to figure out. Also, I'm estimating $17.5M/yr for roster filler, including 3rd round or later rookies and cheap FA pickups to fill out the roster (25 spots x $700k avg.). I'm going to guess that these numbers are about +/- $15M.
Total Cap Hit:
| Name | 2009 | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | 2013 | 2014 | 2015 |
| Ben Roethlisberger | 10.9 | 11.2 | 14.75 | 14.75 | 14.75 | 14.75 | 15.25 |
| Hines Ward* | 5.525 | 5.525 | 5.525 | 5.525 | |||
| Casey Hampton | 6.167 | 7.067 | 8.067 | ||||
| Jeff Reed | 2.814 | ||||||
| Chris Kemoeatu* | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | ||
| Max Starks* | 6.575 | 6.575 | 6.575 | 6.575 | |||
| Ziggy Hood* | 1.605 | 1.748 | 1.833 | 1.87 | |||
| James Harrison | 5.022 | 5.222 | 6.227 | 6.982 | 7.987 | 8.992 | |
| James Farrior | 3.975 | 3.825 | 3.825 | 3.825 | |||
| Ike Taylor | 3.5 | 4.6 | |||||
| Troy Polamalu | 5.095 | 8.295 | 8.595 | ||||
| Aaron Smith | 3.95 | 6.6 | 6.1 | ||||
| Brett Keisel* | 3.777 | 3.777 | 3.777 | 3.777 | 3.777 | ||
| Heath Miller | 5.883 | 5.883 | 5.883 | 5.883 | 5.883 | 5.883 | |
| Justin Hartwig* | 2.5 | 2.5 | 2.5 | 2.5 | |||
| Santonio Holmes | 1.784 | 1.839 | |||||
| Lawrence Timmons | 2.071 | 2.161 | 2.261 | ||||
| LaMarr Woodley | 0.926 | 1.016 | |||||
| Rashard Mendenhall | 1.751 | 1.894 | 1.979 | 2.016 | |||
| Mewelde Moore | 1.475 | ||||||
| Sean McHugh | 0.83 | 0.99 | |||||
| Chris Hoke | 1.5 | ||||||
| Keyaron Fox* | 0.9 | 0.9 | |||||
| Daniel Sepulveda | 1.176 | ||||||
| Trai Essex | 0.96 | 0.96 | |||||
| Willie Colon | 2.521 | ||||||
| Greg Warren | 0.7 | ||||||
| Limas Sweed | 0.775 | 0.86 | 0.945 | ||||
| Others | 17.5 | 17.5 | 17.5 | 17.5 | 17.5 | 17.5 | 17.5 |
| Total | 87.37 | 113.92 | 100.25 | 83.23 | 55.77 | 47.13 | 32.75 |
Yearly Salaries (mostly non-guaranteed):
| Name | 2009 | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | 2013 | 2014 | 2015 |
| Ben Roethlisberger | 7.75 | 8.05 | 11.6 | 11.6 | 11.6 | 11.6 | 12.1 |
| Hines Ward* | 3.275 | 3.275 | 3.275 | 3.275 | |||
| Casey Hampton | 4 | 4.9 | 5.9 | ||||
| Jeff Reed | 2.814 | ||||||
| Chris Kemoeatu* | 3.223 | 3.223 | 3.223 | 3.223 | 3.223 | ||
| Max Starks* | 4.075 | 4.075 | 4.075 | 4.075 | |||
| Ziggy Hood* | 0.385 | 0.5275 | 0.6125 | 0.65 | |||
| James Harrison | 3.355 | 3.555 | 4.56 | 5.315 | 6.32 | 7.325 | |
| James Farrior | 2.975 | 2.825 | 2.825 | 2.825 | |||
| Ike Taylor | 3.5 | 4.6 | |||||
| Troy Polamalu | 2.9 | 6.1 | 6.4 | ||||
| Aaron Smith | 2.35 | 5 | 4.5 | ||||
| Brett Keisel* | 2.777 | 2.777 | 2.777 | 2.777 | 2.777 | ||
| Heath Miller | 3.8 | 3.8 | 3.8 | 3.8 | 3.8 | 3.8 | |
| Justin Hartwig* | 1.975 | 1.975 | 1.975 | 1.975 | |||
| Santonio Holmes | 0.7 | 0.755 | |||||
| Lawrence Timmons | 0.46 | 0.55 | 0.65 | ||||
| LaMarr Woodley | 0.46 | 0.55 | |||||
| Rashard Mendenhall | 0.385 | 0.5275 | 0.6125 | 0.65 | |||
| Mewelde Moore | 1.475 | ||||||
| Sean McHugh | 0.7 | 0.86 | |||||
| Chris Hoke | 1.5 | ||||||
| Keyaron Fox* | 0.71 | 0.71 | |||||
| Daniel Sepulveda | 1.176 | ||||||
| Trai Essex | 0.71 | 0.71 | |||||
| Willie Colon | 2.521 | ||||||
| Greg Warren | 0.7 | ||||||
| Limas Sweed | 0.385 | 0.47 | 0.555 | ||||
| Others | 17.5 | 17.5 | 17.5 | 17.5 | 17.5 | 17.5 | 17.5 |
| Total | 63.27 | 86.30 | 74.62 | 63.53 | 45.87 | 40.23 | 29.60 |
That's a lot of data, but here are a couple notes:
I'm encouraged that 2010 is around the recent salary caps, which tells me I'm in the right ballpark.
We have a lot of money already tied up for 2011, with several key players not under contract: Woodley, Holmes, Taylor, Reed, Colon. If there's a salary cap in 2011, we're going to have to make some tough decisions as well as restructure some things.
Once we get through 2011, things are much more flexible. In addition to the space shown for 2012, we have options of saving up to $15M by shedding Hampton, Ward, Farrior, and Keisel.
If we can be creative with extensions in 2011, I think there's cap space to build our team around Ben, Holmes, Woodley, Troy, and maybe Timmons without skipping a beat. As always, we're going to be counting on good drafts to continue to supply good, cheap players that will constitute the future round of extensions.
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One thing...
Sorry, I didn’t have time to read it all, but one thought: PAY SANTONIO!!!!!!!
Apologies for the caps, but I’m really serious. Pay the man. Lock him up for at least 5 years.
Short and sweet, but in a rush. :)
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
+1
Cant let him leave like Burress. He is an important driver in the offense, opens up a lot for the other guys. Plus he knows how to be “GREAT”.
by SteelerMessican on Mar 3, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Heres hoping he never shoots himself in the leg
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
arghhh lol
i had done something similar & was just waiting for who would be tendered to post my steelers cap number. i’ll have to come back later and see if my numbers match up with yours cuz i dont have time now
you did a good job
there are a couple of players i dont match up with but you probably have an idea who that are. i do like the way you managed to estimate things with out knowing for sure. my cap number for this year is a lil different. i can give you what i use for some of my sources if you’re interested.
also, out of respect for you post i won’t go and post all my numbers. i’m not sure what i’ll exactly post yet, but i just wanted to make sure you won’t be offended if i do a salary cap related post (again it won’t be a listing of most everyone salaries like yours is).
Yeah, I’d be interested in what you’ve got. There are several sources of error in my numbers, from how SB’s spread out to guesstimates of how salaries spread out, to incentives. I did this mostly because I hadn’t seen the info anywhere else and I wanted to figure out how much long term financial committment we had.
charity standing orders
Thanks BadMaafala
Good data here. I’m very curious to see if the cap comes back and what it would look like if it does.
Holmes, Woodley and Taylor
Look like the high priority guys this summer.
This info organized a little differently is probably about how the Steelers draft board is biult.
If you buy a foreign made product you give money to a person who will not be buying an American made produdt that you get paid to make. Think about it next time you're at the store.
Disagree on Ike
I prefer to stay away from older corners. Plus I think we can grab a #1 corner in this draft.
Holmes and Woodley need to be extended. I don’t know what’s going to happen to Clark, but I would prefer that we either find someone in free agency or resign him. We really can’t afford to have a rookie back there.
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 3, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
agree on Ike
His future here will probably depend alot on how much he thinks he’s actually worth. Even at 4.6 in 2011 he’ll be overpaid and it’ll be interesting to see what kind of cash he’s looking for after that.
Ike has been our #1 for years
and he wasn’t a 1st round pick. You suggest that the Steelers draft a #1 corner in the 1st or 2nd round. We can very well find a good player in later rounds.
That depends on when you want a #1
Ike wasn’t a starter till 2005, so he definitely wasn’t a #1 in 2003. 2003 and 2004 he had one start.
Also we drafted Colclough and McFadden in the second round. Neither of them became full-time starters.
This year is deeper, but who do we grab in the second round that comes in and plays right away or even becomes an Ike Taylor level corner. Ike only fell where he did because he had very little college experience and was considered too dumb to learn an NFL defense. Everyone just knew he was really, really fast.
Warren from Michigan is probably the best we could do in the 2nd round. He would be a great pick-up but I honestly doubt he’s there unless we trade our first pick back to get him.
I think Devin McCourty is better
He had a great combine and his film looks good too. I’m willing to bet that vaults him into the first round. Unless something changes in the next few weeks he’ll be there at 18. He is a very good player.
It’s going to get very interesting on draft day.
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 4, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I agree,
I was thinking th esame thing when I saw the list.
ike has been a good corner, shutting down guys is just as important as INT
by Rickfansince76 on Mar 4, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
something tells me Silverback will never see the last couple years of that contract
There’s no way he’ll be worth 7 to 8 million at the age of 36. He’ll have to either restructure or follow the Joey Porter trail.
shedding Hampton, Ward, Farrior, and Keisel
Probably the most depressing statement I’ve ever seen on this site.
Bad Andy, Good Pizza.
Eh
Losing Ward maybe, just because he’s been a mainstay for so long. But the rest is just natural turn over.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I wouldn't get rid of Ward
Even though he doesn’t get the ball as much anymore, he still has a big impact on the team. He blocks well, and and he still has the legs to get 30+ yards.
He just had
his 2nd best year (in receptions and yards – 95 and 1167 respectively) of his entire career. Last time he put up similar numbers was in 2002. He started every game. His productivity has not dropped.
Bad Andy, Good Pizza.
Yeah I would never cut him
I want him to retire a steeler and I hope he wants to enough to be willing to take a bit of a pay cut if they asked to restructure his deal.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Ward stays as long as he wants
Hines is a true Steeler far more than any other I can remember. An excellent receiver, a winner, the toughest, meanest blocking WR ever, and best of all he’s the best player of his generation off the field. When these guys disrespect the black-n-gold by raping girls, beating wives, getting caught with dope, etc (Not that dope is bad, but be smart), the only thing I need to say is “Hines Ward.” Try it, it makes everything better. Besides, if Hines blew out both knees he’d still be a better blocker and receiver than spaeth. When he decides he’s done the Rooney’s will name their best character award the Ward Award. Thanks Hines.
by steelerwheeler on Mar 10, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
great post
Ward’s not going anywhere though. Not until he says so. It’d be foolish to shed him in 2011 anyway if his 2010 season is anything near as solid as his 2008 and 2009 seasons.
Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)
Ike best corner on the roster
I say resign Ike because he’s a hard worker and keeps himself conditioned. He has set a good example for young Gay who worked out with him last off-season and will be a good mentor for our 3rd round corner in this up coming draft. His leadership is very valuable and can not be replaced in the draft or free agency. He will become today’s Deshea in two or three years and would be a great dime package cover corner covering tightend and slot receivers because of his size and physicality. Some may say he had a bad 09 season but if you really look into our secondary situation and coverage he played more zone because of our safety situation. Had him and Gay not played zone we would have gotten beating worse than we did because of poor safety play. We must draft a safety in the second round so we can have two young guys in Mundy and whom ever we draft.
That's how you be great!
The problem with Ike
is his coverage/ball skills aren’t really elite, he just has elite speed, which is different from someone like Townshend who has great instincts and coverage skills but is a bit slow. As Ike gets older and his speed declines his value is going to fall off a cliff.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Ball Skills Yes, Coverage Skills No
I agree Ike ball skills are not elite but we must remember the previous two years when he locked down all the elite WRs we faced and earned a big contract because of his cover skills. He played press coverage on them and did well enough to help us win a SB and have Chad Whatever his last name is call him out in 2009. Unfortunately Ike couldn’t lock him down because of zone coverage. I would like for him to get more INTs but pass deflections are just as valuable on 3rd downs. He has plenty of those.
That's how you be great!
I think he has great coverage skills because of his speed
and his ability to keep up with top end deep threats, which is why I think once his speed declines his production is going to decline pretty harshly.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
+1 also
He makes mistakes but is fast enough to not allow those mistakes to hurt him.
If you remember his first seasons here he would have the ball bounce off the back of his head, he never watched the QB or anything but his man. It was the only way he stayed on him.
Steelers's biggest problem...
Is that Ike is the best corner on the Steelers. Great speed, solid cover skills, no ball skills, no chance of being a star or making game changing plays. Good corner, but he doesn’t scare other teams away by making plays. The other corners on the roster are horrible…and so are the backup safeties. I’d give Lewis and Burnette another chance and keep Gay around until i found someone better, but everyone else has to go… and hope they take Farrior with them. there is no place for a slow middle linebacker on a team with no secondary depth. Make Limas Sweed the nickel and dime middle linebacker…he’s tall, can run, can jump, and has more passes defensed per play than any player in NFL history. Pretty impressive since he plays offense.
by steelerwheeler on Mar 10, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
About cuts
In 2012, when I proposed cutting some or all of those players, Hampton, Ward, Farrior, and Keisel will be 35, 36, 37, and 34 respectively. If my numbers are right, we’ll save almost $14M by cutting them. In reality, I’d bet it’s closer to $15M or $16M because of unaccounted for escalations in Keisel and Ward’s contracts. I like all of those players, but at those ages, there will be better places to spend $15M. We might as well sign Franco Harris to a long term deal.
charity standing orders
I think you might be looking at this a little too myopically
True, the Steelers business plan is not about acting too sentimentally, yet you can not expect to cut that many locker room presences and just continue to plug away the next year. Part of the reason they played up re-signing Hampton, as well as Ward and Farrior, were how important they were to the organization. In the past, when we ‘force’ a guy out, it was maybe one at a time.
Countem has the right idea. The Steelers organization might be ‘all business’, but who would be the leaders in the defense at that time? Troy? Probably a bit too quiet for the role. Harrison? Best if not burdened by that kind of responsibility. That leaves Woodley (assuming he is re-signed) and somebody else needing to step up.
More likely, I think you will see the new contracts to Woodley and Holmes structured with high signing bonuses and the like, so that, what is now Hines’ money will become Santonio’s, and similarly what is now Farrior’s will become Woodley’s.
Further, looking back at Porter’s release, John Clayton made the point that it was less about salary relief and more about a change in direction under Tomlin. That makes sense given Peezy was a Cowher guy and Tomlin needed to stamp his authority. I don’t see that situation playing out in this case.
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
Nothing helps a player be a leader as much as competence. A 37 year old LB who can’t cover anyone won’t be able to lead the defense. Just like we replace talent through the draft, we replace leadership through the draft. Woodley looks like a pretty good bet to be both very good and fairly outspoken in 2012. Troy’s a better leader than many give him credit for. I don’t want to project too much, but my hope is that Ziggy Hood turns into a blue collar type leader like Aaron Smith. That’s not to mention any fiery young players that we draft in the next few years.
If it’s a choice between paying for old leaders or paying for leaders who are entering their prime (and I think it will be), it’s an easy decision.
charity standing orders
Exactly
It’s why we draft the guys we do, almost everyone we draft is a potential leader. Someone will step up when these guys go.
OK, I will have to rephrase the argument
Never once did I argue for sentimentality, but I can understand how it was misconstrued that way.
Plain and simple, the Steelers will never let all four of those guy go in the same year. That would be ridiculous. Maybe Farrior is gone in 2011. Maybe Ward and Hampton in 2012, and then Kiesel in 2013. I would bet heavily against any more than two going in the same year. We may have leaders to replace those guys on the roster, but to expect four new guys to step up and maintain team chemistry is a stretch. Not to mention, as you have pointed out, Aaron Smith will be stepping aside soon as well.
Moreover, given the Steelers recent inclination to not give these kinds of contracts to older veterans, you have to expect that they would not do so unless they figured they could at least get 4 out of the 5 years from Keisel, Farrior, and Ward.
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
I can understand sentimentality
but I think the only player who really deserves that sentimentality of the ones listed is Ward. I love Hampton, Farrior and Keisel and absolutely value their contributions but Ward is really the only one who has earned the right to not be “forced” out. Plus if you keep veterans around forever how will younger players ever get the chance to step up and be leaders? Who’s to say Timmons or some free safety we draft won’t take over the role?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Ward is the only one of those that I can see still having real value in a backup role.
In addition to what he has meant to the team.
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Mar 4, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I just hope he’s willing to take less money to be a reserve. The man has a ton of pride, and I hope he is willing to take being the #3 and renegotiate his contract when the time comes.
I never disagreed
Unfortunately age catches up to everyone.
Still does not make it any less depressing.
Bad Andy, Good Pizza.
by count'em_six on Mar 4, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with 2012 cuts!
The NFL is becoming a young man’s league. Look at all the 30 yr old RBs and other position players out there. The only one I question is Ward. He deserves a roster spot until he’s ready to retire because of what he has done for the org. Hopefully he will realize its time to let our young talented WRs blossom by 2012. Resigning Holmes and the development of Wallace, Sweed and a young drafted/undrafted project WR will be good for 2012.
That's how you be great!
Someone has to develop under Ike 1st
In my opinion it would not make sense to let our best corner go in the next 2 or 3 yrs until we have developed a replacement. That’s how the Steelers have operated. Gotta get someone in that’s capable of replacing him first. I don’t thing that will happen in the next 2 or 3 yrs. Even if we do get a replacement within that time frame he will still be valuable in a leadership and dime role.
That's how you be great!
Then it makes sense to draft one now
And let him learn for a year, like we always do. It doesn’t make sense to extend Ike knowing that our cap situation is going to be tight the next two years.
Extend the younger players (Woodley, Holmes) and draft replacements for players with expiring contracts (maybe Essex, and Ike). It shouldn’t take a really good corner prospect more than two years to lock down a starting spot.
Troy was a first rounder and only needed one year to learn Lebeau’s defense.
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 4, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
My assumption
Is that all of our players will hit $0 on the salary cap…
No football in 2011 seems likely.
Thanks for the info BM/
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
all doom and gloom
huh?
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 4, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Sadly yes
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by John Stephens on Mar 4, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
my wrist are ready
no football = no life…. metaphorically speaking of course no one call the hotline…
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 4, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
We can all take tuba lessons instead
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Mar 4, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
There is too much money to lose
by not playing, is my thought. The US economy is 70% consumer driven, and its not just about ticket sales and player salaries.
But then again, a shutdown would be about money anyways.
I still think they won’t let it happen.
It won't surprise me
Both sides want money, neither wants to budge. Neither wants to “lose” so we all lose.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by John Stephens on Mar 4, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Won't happen.
2012 is an election year.
No incumbent wants to be fighting for a seat the way the polls are now right after a No Superbowl February.
Seriously, all the incumbents will be facing tight races already, if they let football get shut down they will have blown something big. Congress stepping in and forcing the hand of the owners is one thing they can do without partisan bickering, and if they fail the challengers will bury them.
Why don't you start a separate post to discuss this
maybe include a poll to see who the Steelers are more likely to pick up in FA. Oh wait, you already did .. .. ..
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Mar 4, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
salty!
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
nah, what makes you say that?
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Mar 4, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
It's just a thing they say around here when you bust balls
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
LOL - I was being a litte sarcastic
yes, I am in fact getting a bit salty.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Mar 4, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
awesome!
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Exactly
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
man celts
can’t catch a break lol
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 4, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Now I feel bad...
for playing around
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
don't
its funny…. :)
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 4, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
His act is wearing thin
But who am I?
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Mar 4, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
yes but he talks about many other things, too
therein lies the rub
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Mar 4, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
wow
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Mar 4, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like Yoda
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Mar 4, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
wonder if yoda could line up at CB
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Mar 4, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
I'm jealous
of you? If that helps you sleep. But I was actually trying to help you out. I rather have 0 replies than 50 replies telling me to shut up.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 11, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Long Term Projections are Great, But...
This is really great to see a long-term projection like this. Articles like this beg the question, why doesn’t the PG or Tribune-Review come out with stuff like this?
With that said, there is so, so much in the air, it is hard to predict what will happen in 2011. The chances of a lockout are strong, and for all of their posturing, the NFLPA’s offer to extend the current CBA certainly makes it seem like they fear the situation more than the owners.
So the chances are, if they are indeed playing football in 2011, some sort of cap system will be in place.
As it is, projections beyond the 2010 season are precarious. For commentary on the Steelers current free agent situation, click here.
by Hombre de Acero on Mar 4, 2010 12:38 PM EST reply actions
Pay Santonio and Woodley
2 of the best upcoming stars in this league and 2 of the fan favorites in our steelers community. If they do not sign both of these 2 stars this year i will be so upset and dissapointed in our organization. I know they probably want the money but both are definitely worth it.
In Myron we Trust
Tonio & Blasphemy
OK, this is sure to ruffle some feathers .. .. .. as much as everyone loves the hero of SB XLIII, I would not be surprised to see him leave in free agency or other (depending on the outcome of a new CBA) nor overly dissappointed. Santonio is going to want to break the bank and the Steelers are not going to pay him. It will be Plaxico all over again. I do not think he sets a particulary good example as a leader with one example being that BS habit of his pointing and dropping the ball after a catch. GET BACK TO THE DAMN HUDDLE!! Ask count_em how many times I shout that during any given game. I guess I’m “old school” but that drives me absolutely bananas. He is a very talented receiver but he can take his attitude on the road as far as I’m concerned .. .. .. there will be others.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
Wallace could be ready to fill those shoes by then
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Mar 4, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
But with Ward getting older
And Sweed ceasing to exist, who’s going to fill the other 2 wr holes?
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I will continue
to blindly ignore Ward’s age until he gives me a reason to acknowledge it. Luckily we’ll have atleast one year before this should be a real problem(Holmes leaving). If this were to happen tomorrow, I’d be concerned.
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Mar 4, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Ward had a strong year this year
but the 2, or 3 I’m not sure, years prior he struggled a but with injuries, as he gets older it’s not very likely that those concerns are just going to disappear like they did this year.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
not very likely
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Mar 4, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
I agree he's no where near the top of my worry list
but when we’re talking about extending Holmes or letting him walk it’s something that has to be considered.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Haven't entirely given up on Sweed
yet. He certainly has given plenty of reason to. And, like I said, there will be others. I think the FO has the foresight to recognize they may not be able to re-sign Holmes. Perhaps they draft late rounds this year and maybe earlier still next year to address the possibility.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Mar 4, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Meh I hated Sweed in college
he had trouble staying healthy and couldn’t catch in college so it’s hard for me to have faith in him.
I don’t mean actually hated just thought he was a poor NFL prospect. And I understand they’ll probably address the position but remember how many wide outs we drafted before we got to Plaxico, and then between him and Holmes? Drafting wrs just in case doesn’t mean any of them will actually work out.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
We also won the Super Bowl
the year after Plax left and before we had Santonio.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Mar 4, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
We being the Steelers
as I am not actually on the roster.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Mar 4, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but a big reason for that
was the defense and the lack of tape on the 3-4, especially the type Lebeau runs which is different from the Parcells/Bellicheck defenses. Hence why two pro bowl qbs, one of who was Peyton Manning, looked completely lost in their games against us. We won’t have that same advantage anymore with everyone in the league jumping on the 3-4 bandwagon and massive amounts of tape being available, you saw how quickly Peyton figured out the Jets defense in the play-offs this year.
We also had a better offensive coordinator then who was more creative in using his talent and hiding their flaws, Arians isn’t exactly that guy.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
The fact is
the Super Bowl was won without a Plax or a Tone. Steelers had Ward, Randle El, Cedric and I think Washington. Your points are absolutely valid however, as the ultimate team sport, if the receiving corps is slightly weekened, the rest of the team is/can be/will be strong enough to compensate.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Mar 4, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
It can be
that doesn’t mean it’s guaranteed it will be. You shouldn’t let go of a sure thing because you’re thinking well maybe I can strengthen another spot in the future. Especially as the league becomes more offense focused with the rule changes teams aren’t going to be able to rely on a strong defense and running game throughout the regular season to get them to the post season, with the same frequency as in the past.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Never said its a guarantee
I think somehow was are being argumentatively agreeable here. I’m saying, I don’t like the guy’s attitude and would not be averse to letting him walk given every angle possible is covered to mitigate the competitive loss. I am also saying that it is possible to win without a guy like Holmes. No one is irreplaceable.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Mar 4, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
You talkin' the "first down" pointing?
Ward does that too…lots of guys do.
I agree though, Santonio will want what he feels he is worth, and he has the SB which Plax didn’t. Loyalty would be great, but loyalty doesn’t cover “later-life” costs. Love to see him stay, but that might not be practical.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about
And it drives me nuts. I guess I’m no fun. I yell at the TV when anybody does it, especially when the Steelers are losing and that particular person hasn’t done anything all game. I’m only using that as one example.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Mar 4, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Do you yell at kids that walk on your lawn?
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Nah, tons of kids in my court, too
My preference is for these pros to act like they have been there before. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get excited, that would be insane. But how about a high five or a ball tap instead of something that rubs it in the opponents face?
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Mar 4, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
ball tap? That sounds painful
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
The atomic ones can be
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Mar 4, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
gotta protect the mcnuggets
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Did you see this?
http://www.sbnation.com/2010/3/3/1335540/adrian-beltre-testicle-cup-red-sox
To try and fail may be unacceptable, but failing to try, is accepting failure.
not only should he have gotten the gold glove awards he has
They should have given him the golden nugget award.
He probably heard a few jokes about grapefruit season and slow pitch I’m sure.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Nuts!
I can’t check this out from work.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Mar 4, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
He got the treatment Elmer from Crank Yakers did
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Hmm, didn't see that one
but I have a feeling it ended badly for Elmer.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Mar 4, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
He bought Viagra
and called in to complain to the drug store that his nards were the size of beachballs. They showed him peeking over the huge wrinkly mounds.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
If you check it from home, suggest waiting till after dinner. It won’t help your appetite.
To try and fail may be unacceptable, but failing to try, is accepting failure.
Thanks for the heads up
BWAA HAA HAAA – fun with puns!
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Mar 4, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, man, that made me hurt
and I don’t even have any…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Mar 4, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
My first thought
Why is this on the SB nation homepage?
Which brought on the obvious inflammatory thought…
To try and fail may be unacceptable, but failing to try, is accepting failure.
Kids know better
than to walk on my lawn!!!
actually my kids walk on it all the time.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Mar 4, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the first couple of times someone did it, it was ok
But now everyone does it, and like you said, often from someone who doesn’t or hasn’t done much.
I agree its overdone and kind of old.
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