Roethlisberger Accused of Sexual Assault in Georgia
by Neal Coolong on Mar 5, 2010 6:44 PM EST
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Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger is at the center of a sexual assault allegation in Milledgeville, Ga. According to police, his accuser, a 20-year-old female, claims Roethlisberger assaulted her at some point early Friday morning.
Per TMZ.com, Roethlisberger was at Capital City night club in Milledgeville early Friday morning where the incident was said to have occured. According to sources, Roethlisberger was a part of a group of people which was mingling with the group associated with his accuser at Capital City. Roethlisberger was seen interacting with patrons at Buffington's bar in Milledgeville prior to his visit to Capital City, where witnesses say he arrived with a group of people and entered a roped-off VIP area.
Steelers RT Willie Colon was with Roethlisberger at Capital City, according to SportsByBrooks.
The alleged victim is reported to have visited a local hospital, where she received treatment and was released.
Roethlisberger was interviewed early Friday morning by police and was released. Local authorities noted it's early in the investigation, and they are continuing to gather evidence and information.
Ryan Tollner, Roethlisberger's agent, released a statement:
"Last night, Ben and his friends met a group of women and everyone mingled together throughout the evening," Tollner says. "We have spoken to law enforcement. Based on information currently available, an allegation was made against Ben, which appeared to be dismissed after a preliminary investigation last night. Obviously, given the prior accusation against Ben, we are skeptical of motive, but we will continue to cooperate with everyone involved."
It's unclear whether Roethlisberger will be charged, but as of Friday evening, he has not been. It's the second incident Roethlisberger has encountered involving sexual assault allegations. He is currently facing a civil lawsuit for allegedly sexually assaulting Andrea McNulty at a Reno casino where she worked in 2008.
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Ben
Seriously Ben. You need to get a girlfriend or hire some security personnel to follow you around and keep you out of trouble…
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
by 5020 on Mar 5, 2010 6:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
From a Lifelong Steeler Fan.
Ben better be glad he is a 2 time SB winning QB,(and yes, I’m about to say it!), and that he is white! All we hear is how T.O. is this/that, Brandon Marshall gets into a wrestling(fight) match with his cousin, IN HIS OWN HOME one year, & all of a sudden is a bad guy, or a thug. Tank Johnson has guns just like some of the guys I work with & he’s vilified. We can go all around the spectrum, Iverson, Kobe(Same kind of case as Ben, NO WHERE NEAR the same kind of press coverage.), Gilbert Arenas, Barry Bonds,Milton Bradley, & the kicker for this board is how all you folks still have Ray Lewis as a “murderer”,(one person even has his mug shot as their avatar!), and all the Ben-GALS ridicule. I love Ben, & pray to God he isn’t going down this path. This isn’t the Joe Namath era where he can just have unsolicited philandering anytime/anywhere. I’m VERY skeptical he did something unlawful, or stupid! I’ve actually met Ben and he is really, REALLY likable & down to earth. BUT, if he keeps walking like a Duck, & quacking like a Duck…………..
"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."
the avatar is not to imply that ray ray is a murderer…instead it is their to remind us that he was a key suspect/witness in a double homicide. I’ve never called him a murderer. Although the person that did the killing in that case was more of an assasin bc the stab wounds were made with the precision of bill the butcher.
by TheCommish on Mar 6, 2010 9:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why remind us about the innocent?
"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."
i'm sorry
but i completely disagree with bringing race into the conversation. First off, not many people believed the first woman’s story, as she was crazy. Add that to the fact that Ben was nowhere near as popular a figure as Kobe, and what do you expect? T.O. get’s lots of coverage because T.O. likes getting lots of coverage. He’s just like Ochocinco or any other star that enjoys the limelight. Barry Bonds was hated because he stole the greatest record in all of sports by cheating, not because he was black. Gilbert Arenas broke a major law, and I didn’t really hear anyone calling him a “bad guy”, just dumb for doing something like this. I absolutely make jokes about Ray Ray being a murderer. Why? Because he plays for the Ravens, and I hate the f’in Ravens. When I went to Cincinnati last year, the fans really harped on the rapist thing, because they hate the Steelers. It has nothing to do with Ben being white or Lewis being black. Was the Michael Vick coverage racially based or was it because he killed a bunch of dogs? Pete Rose was vilified for gambling on baseball. If NASCAR was popular at all you would have probably heard a lot more about Jeremy Mayfield. Because everyone in NASCAR was spittin flames about him doing meth. Stars are held accountable based on how big of stars they are, not the color of their skin.
by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Mar 6, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Natural 4 U 2 completely disagree.
It’s the nature of this country, natural knee jerk reaction of,“The race card”, being played. A SB winning QB not as popular as a basketball player? Really? T.O. said,“Yeah, he threw up in the huddle. I would say he was a little tired.”; And the whole,“He threw his QB under the bus..”, litany began. Bonds,“stole”, the "greatest record in all sports? Really? I guess amphetamines running rampant in those days were no big deal? Gilbert breaking a major law? Out him in an Oklahoma Thunder uniform, & that law wouldn’t exist! I’ll give a pass on Ray “Big Ass Mouth” Lewis! :-) Vick fighting dogs? I could take you to Kentucky & you’d see that daily. It was who it was, not the crime. Pete Rose. Great example! A witch hunt if ever there was one! I watch NASCAR & have driven the track at KY, speedway. It’s more of a sport than people think, BY FAR! And I followed the J.Mayfield case. Hope he is over that, but there is no way anyone on this blog will convince me if VY, J.Russel, D.McNabb, or our own DD had these allegations, they wouldn’t see a different coverage. You’ld have a better chance convincing me the tea baggers are not racist against our Commander In Chief.(I’m ex- 101st Airborne! Gulf War Vet) And color of skin will always play a role, at least until everyone is blinded. Don’t see that happening soon. JM(dumb ass)O
"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."
Ok gang...I see where this is going
This is a neverending battle. I recommend for the sake of BTSC that we just end it here.
Bad Andy, Good Pizza.
by count'em_six on Mar 6, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Correct. I'll respect the board, if it respects me! Emotions run deep on ceratin issues.
"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."
paul mooney says:
that i have the complexion for protection…
in all seriousness, race has been a hot ‘PC’ issue for, well, probably since the first white guy ran into the first black guy, (more realistically we’d say dark african’s running into slightly lighter mesopotamians). i think it’s total garbage that we’re not ‘allowed’ to talk about race. chise is 100% correct with his ‘knee-jerk’ reaction comment. +1 there chise. for any honest american to truly believe that race is NOT an issue in this country, has been misled or is simply, ‘drinkin the kool-aid’…
that being said, do i think ben is ‘getting off light’ here? yea, i do. an agent statement and thats it?
i try to take the dave chappelle approach to race and keep it light hearted and poke fun at the differences between us, but the reality is i am half mexican (look white) and work in a predominately black community where i sell insurance. in my office, it’s a rarity to see a white person (one/week on avg.). i’ve never had an issue with race in my office. i obviously am ok working with a predominately black community, and truth be told, they have ZERO problem working with me. i’ve been accepted by everyone who has walked into my office and no, i don’t stu scott/carson daly them with chameleon acting.
by PHIGHTINPHILS on Mar 8, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
I was vilified when I wrote that on this board.
No-one wants to be realistic about it. Vick’s name wasn’t in the news 2 days before folks were calling for his head. It’s all coming to the light though.
http://kdka.com/video?id=70082@kdka.dayport.com
I love Ben as our QB, but no-one, & I mean NO-ONE, can tell me McNabb, Young,D.Gerard, J.Russell,or even Seneca Wallace would be getting all this,“Benefit of the doubt”, BS.
And I’m that “real light” complexion & know the diffrences between how I’m treated & my cousins & such.
"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."
Chise67 with all due respect
you’re going to go where the angels fear to tread with me on the Vick FELONY. I’m not a PETA supporter (in fact; I think in many cases their extremism causes much more harm to the animals they propose to protect than good it does them) however; your statement seems to imply (and please correct me if I’m mistaken) that “dog fighting happens daily…so what if Vick did it, too.” I don’t give a rip if his pathetic, law-breaking behind is purple with pink polka-dots. He’s a FELON who got busted.
His remorse? Getting busted. He’s a thug IMHO and I stand by that.
All CRIMES happen daily but to even suggest we should turn a blind eye and say kids will be kids is unthinkable. Don’t blame race for sheer stupidity, arrogance and a complete disregard for laws (both societies and common decency.) Athlete or ordinary citizen.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
Where angels fear to tread.
I don’t go there my friend, trust me! PETA, to me, stands for,“People Eating Tasty Animals!” LOL! And dog fighting does happen daily. It is, however, a crime. POINT is, if it wasn’t Vick, & was Peyton, how would it have played? We will never know for certain. There is however, historical evidence to form what is known as a hypothesis. And the thug usage? Where is that application for the Matt Jones types? You just seem to disregard the innuendo in such a manner that it’s a moot point trying to have intelligent debate about it. I knew full well this would be inflammatory, but differences don’t push people apart when there is intelligent discussion, rather it brings us together in solutions for future strife. Let that marinate a little.
"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."
Oh it marinated
and once again, I will offer my opinion that differs from yours on certain points. (I don’t back down from discussion where hypothetical vs. fact is used either.)
We’re looking at the same picture from 2 different angels. You’re looking at the man and I’m looking at the crime. Difference is; I’ll continue to look at the crime and really not care what color skin the person is who committed the crime.
So in answer to your hypothetical if it were Peyton: My opinion of him would be no different than it is with the actual felon. Disgusting thug. I’m actually really in favor of a felon-free policy in the NFL. (That blanket would cover the whole color wheel….including Matt Jones since you specifically referred to him…oh and don’t forget Pacman. Another class act.)
I don’t excuse Vick’s behavior. He has enough out there willing to do that.
PS- I made a point to be very respectful towards you in my first post; apparently you prefer sarcasm. I’m ok with that too.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
You don't even know Vick
and you call him a thug. SMH
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 8, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
never knew Bernie Madoff
think he’s a pretty bad guy.
by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Mar 8, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
"Pretty bad guy", "Thug", what's the worse image?
"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."
In your next
post you talk about how violence and fighting… street corners and drugs make thugs. Mike Vick participated in a very violent business. One he proudly built from a mere 2 to 68 dogs. He wanted his criminal activity (yes; it’s illegal and garnered a felony conviction) to be “world renowned”. tannofsteel, there are psychological profiles the FBI has developed that are based on the killing and torture of animals for enjoyment and entertainment. (and yes; cock fighting is illegal too.) In my world, drowning and electrocuting dogs is pretty violent and reserved for people who fit the thug profile. I don’t need to know the person personally to reach that conclusion.
I don’t know what SMH stands for; and really… I don’t think I want too.
We’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
Man Come On!!!
Listen, save yo demacratic bull for your boys man! I’m a Tea Party supporter and I’m black(well I’m mixed just like yo boy barrack). I was in the Army during the first Gulf War 25th-Air Assault! I just figured out that I’m also a racist. Man, save yo breath about yo socialist president. He done messed it up for any other brotha’s who might wanna run for president. You’ll see in November what the “American”, not white or black, people think of yo president and demacrats in general. Y’all finished.
Now since I’m done with that rant, about yo comments on Ben. I totally agree wit you. I mean I am a Big Ben supporter(currently), but he is lucky he is white. He’d be off this team by now if he were black. He is starting to get crushed now though because this is starting to be a pattern wit him. At the very least, my dude needs to find a girl and settle down(at least while he’s a Steeler). Drafting Dennis Dixon might end up being one of the best draft picks of this franchise’ history. I loved the pick at the time and, by the looks of things, it might turn out to be a crucial one.
So don’t fret brotha’. Just cause you lost politically and you’re bout the only one that thinks spending trillions of dollars while everybody on main st. is told by yo boy to live within our means(oops, sorry I was supposed to be done rantin’), you got a little bit of sense to you when it comes to Big Ben…
by Steeldog on Mar 6, 2010 5:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dear fellow Gulf Vet.
Thank you for your service. Mixed race? Ditto. But you lost me on the teabagger stuff. A person of color being a tea party member is like trying to tell me if I put popcorn in my pancakes when I cook them, they will flip themselves! Impossible! And you being racist is no surprise. Everyone is, it’s just to what degree is the most important aspect of it. I’m very muched prejudiced against stupidity & believe it should be punished. And for the sake of sanity, the,“Yo, Yo, Yo”, went out with platform shoes & just plays to the inclination that gives people to using terms such as,“MoFo”, thinking it’s cute & specifically mocking of certain people. Time to wake up, or just not wake up at all.
"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."
by Chise67 on Mar 6, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lol...
Man spare me the lecture on proper english. You’re still workin’ on that demacrat plantation kid. I done took the underground railroad long ago…these forums are for football talk. Go on the daily koss or somewhere to spread that junk you talkin’, oops i mean talking. Wake up son.
"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare but only those specifically enumerated."
Thomas Jefferson
oh and by the way,
that would be “plays on the inclination” not “to”. Also, “racist” and “prejudiced” have different meanings. The main definition of “racism” is a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s race is superior and has the right to rule others. Conversely, the word “prejudice” has origins from the word “prejudge”, which as i would hope you would know(with all your infinite wisdom), means to form an unfavorable opinion or feeling beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason(that would be you).
So, in conclusion, your statement that everyone is a racist to some degree(read your statement again as the reference) is illogical. The next time that you try to project yourself as smarter than others, understand that you are PREJUDGING them because you don’t know a damn thing ‘bout me. Now that’s proper PLAYA’.
"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare but only those specifically enumerated."
Thomas Jefferson
thank you
for bringing up the worst misuse of words in current American English. The difference between “racism” and “prejudice” is completely ignored. It’s followed closely by the complete and total destruction of the word “irony.”
Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl, he as popular as Kobe? Big Ben is nowhere near as popular as Kobe is. I still stand by that athletes and public figures are held accountable based on popularity. Why did Matt Jones not get that much coverage? He’s basically a nobody receiver on the Jacksonville Jaguars. Why is Tiger Woods getting a ridiculous amount of coverage now? Because he’s half black? All the man did was cheat on his wife….No, it’s because he’s THE most popular face in sports. Remind you of the coverage that Bill Clinton got for his fun in the Oval Office? That had nothing to do with him being white, it was because he was President of the United States.
Color of skin will always play a role so long as we are stubborn enough to let it.
by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Mar 8, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
I think you still miss the point
I think what people get confused is that certain people are prejudice because they are racist. So they have a unfavorable opinion of feeling beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason because there is an idea that one’s race is superior and has the right to rule others. I can see why you want to separate the two but they will be forever linked together. You can’t go from Slavery to reconstructions to jim crow laws and not have those two ideas linked together. That is what Jim Crow laws were founded on discrimination and prejudice based on racism. Sort of like nowadays when people call guys in the NFL, NBA thugs and they don’t even know the person.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 8, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Or I think in most cases
just to expound on the reasoning. I think in most cases people believe that a certain race is inferior or prone to violence more and should be judged more stringently than others. Its not the same racism that we saw in the 50s and 60s but when a minor charge turns you into a thug, (Gilbert Arenas) then there is a problem. Especially in the case of Gilbert Arenas, who has been in the league for a while, had never had a run in with the law, did charity events, and never had a problem on the court. Sure he had some poor choice of words that kind of showed immaturity about the franchise, blaming the franchise for mishandling his injury – or something like that; but nothing that constitutes the title of thug. So when he has a gun in his locker room, not saying that is right, all of a sudden he is a thug. So what if he ‘played a joke’ its bad judgement but that doesn’t make him a thug. Its a difference in culture, he went too far but is not a thug. Yet people associate him with in the same connotations. A thug does not have the discipline to make it in any professional league. A thug is on the street corner ‘banging’ – selling drugs, fightings, stealing, and sometimes killing. I don’t believe we should mesh the definitions of thug and immaturity together. Someone who is immature makes bad decisions which may in turn breaks the law. A thug is generally associated with someone who not only breaks the law but is a menace to society. So lets think and use reason before we label people or form an unfavorable opinion of feeling beforehand when we don’t even know them.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 8, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
Ok, at least you're not chise67,
but i’m gonna have to blow up your statement above. I don’t know if you knew this, but when crack started to become a major problem in our community, it was our black community activist leaders who demanded that the courts give longer prison terms for those that dealt it in our community. Are you now going to say that they to are racist?
My point to chise67 is that being prejudice toward someone or even a group of people does not make you a racist. I think you are getting stereotyping mixed up with racism. If you’re black and walking around pointing guns at people(you seem to believe it was a joke when gibert did it), then people(all people) will see you as being a thug! To me that’s natural! It doesn’t matter that you’re in the NBA or not! I mean are you actually gonna sit here and tell me that pacman isn’t a thug?! The boy hangs out with gangbangers and is involved with one act of violence after another. He happened to have your so-called discipline to make it to the NFL. The boy is a straightup T-H-U-G!!! Plaxico burress walking around with a gun in his sweats and shooting himself in a nightclub was not only stupid, but would fit the profile of being a THUG! Walking around in a nightclub with a gun is exhibiting thuggish behavior! It does NOT matter if you’re a millionaire football player!! I mean this is not rocket science! If i see on the news that little kids are coming up dead and there could be a serial killer on the loose, i’m thinking “he must be around 35 and white.” That would fit the profile(or stereotype) of a serial killer. and one more, if i here or see on the news that a large plane flys into a hirise building or someone just blew himself up, you guessed it, i’m thinking a brown skinned muslim. All of those instances would be stereotyping, not racism. It doesn’t mean that these are always the right conclusions,but they do tend to be. That’s because logic would tell you that. Always go with your gut-feeling. You’ll be right 9 out of 10 times. I bet that if you were walking down a not well lite street one night and you saw three black guys walking towards you on the same side of the street with their “pants hangin’ down, hat to the side, lookin’ like a fool with their pants on the ground,” man i’m sorry, i had to go there lol. But anyway, if you saw that, You would damn sure be thinking “thugs” and be alert and causious as you pass by them. That’s called stereotyping brotha’.
We as black people need to stop throwing the word racist or racism around so freely. It has a specific meaning. You, trying join racism and prejudice together with your; well you’re prejudice because you’re a racist and all this mixing together of meanings to try and seem all intellectual and stuff does a disservice to the strong meaning of racism. Racism is like Hitler or the skinheads or the kkk. Prejudice? Well hell we are all prejudice to some degree, not racist like chise67 would say.
"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare but only those specifically enumerated."
Thomas Jefferson
+1 for a great point
and a bonus point for doing so while making a “pants on the ground” reference
by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Mar 8, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
I really don't think he messed it up
If anything he’s shown that no matter what democrat is in there republicans will criticize him. And no matter what republican is in office democrats will criticize him. Thats basically what our government is about, criticizing and bringing people down.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 8, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Another perspective
Is it possible that Ben’s situation in NV doesn’t get as much coverage as Kobe’s because it’s not a criminal trial? Also, there was strong physical evidence supporting Kobe’s accuser’s story, which isn’t the case with Ben’s accuser.
As far as Marshall goes…pardon me, but you’re completely off-base. I think Brandon Marshall is a bad guy and a thug because he’s been charged with domestic abuse more than once. I think he’s an idiot cuz he got in a fight with his cousin, and ripped his arm up because of it. Not the same thing…
I’m sure neither you nor anyone else on here wants to read me providing ample reasons behind the negative public opinion surrounding the rest of the people you named, but I’ll save it. I will say, though, Ben deserves the public scrutiny he’s facing, has faced and will continue to face. SOMEthing happened…sexual assault fits a very broad spectrum of actions, including simply taking a lady’s hand. If she doesn’t like it, she can press charges. I’m not suggesting that’s what happened, but it could easily be that.
The bigger question is why he would even be so careless as to do that, considering what he’s already been through. I don’t know. I wasn’t there. Doesn’t seem smart, either way.
by Neal Coolong on Mar 6, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Hold your mud?
Ray snitched? Was put at the scene by MULTIPLE witnesses for a capital offense that could get the death penalty, & he was supposed to hold his mud? :-0 Funny stuff! Got one of those T-shirts w/ the big stop sign on the front?
"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."
"Why would he even do that considering....."
Valid question indeed. But do you see your propensity to throw out the word,“Thug”, so fast on Brandon Marshall? Was he proven innocent & charges dropped by prosecution? You say sexual assault can be just touching a hand, & so easily dismiss a woman who is in a relationship, thinks someone is cheating on her, knows you(he) is a public figure & calls the police. Your willingness to be so dismissive of a sexual assault accusation, compared to a DV is astonishing indeed! But, alas, you’ll never see it that way. Your opinion is set on Marshall, & that’s that! Kobe was involved w/ a damn mental patient, same as Ben is now. Kobe admitted to infidelity from the jump. More physical evidence? :-) Really? Again, your mind is set, & that’s that!
"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."
Physical evidence
I’m not exactly sure what you’re trying to say, but it’s really difficult to look at these facts and suggest that Brandon Marshall is not what reasonable society considers to be a thug. As far as Kobe goes, though, I won’t bring it up in a loosely-enforced PG-13 rated forum, but there was considerable evidence suggesting Kobe…um…“forced” himself on his accuser.
I’m not dismissing anything, simply looking at the evidence that’s being shown to this point (not much, but still very early) with Roethlisberger. Marshall was accused of domestic violence twice by the same person. You only mentioned one incident. I also hate to break it to you, but he was never proven innocent of anything. Despite the bruise on the accuser’s eye, she never pressed charges. Does that make him innocent? I don’t think so. In fact, her dropping charges seems to be the theme of their entire relationship.
Remember when he was in college and he got all aggressive at a Denny’s? Yeah, he was told to leave by a cop who was there, and Marshall called the cop and the entire Denny’s restaurant a bunch of racists. He put up his fists like he was gonna fight the guy, and they took him down. I know law-abiding citizens don’t make a habit out of intentionally disobeying orders from police officers. Sounds thuggish to me…
Multiple assault accusations from his ex-girlfriend and even one from his wife (at least I think they got married), a DUI arrest, two restraining orders from the ex-girlfriend, a league suspension…do you forget about Darrent Williams? Marshall getting into scuffles with gang members is the reason he got shot! Completely innocent, had nothing to do with it. Marshall and his cousin were the ones who sprayed champagne on a bunch of people, which led to the incident. He started it, they ended Williams’ life.
Yeah, I guess I see it that way, and “that’s that.”
Never debate with a man who has his mind made up!
I give! You,“win”! No mas! Whatever! “When the facts don’t fit the case, change the facts.” I get it! Peace, Love & SOUUUUUUUUUUUL! Back to Steeler Nation talk, & not about men in costumes who make millions that really don’t give a rats arse about what I think.
"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."
I still have no idea what you're talking about
But your thinly veiled shot that I’m changing facts is utterly ridiculous. I appreciate your opinions, and you’re entitled to them, but if you think I’m making it up, do some research.
Brandon Marshall
is not a thug.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 8, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
Is this a thinly veiled shot?
http://kdka.com/video?id=70082@kdka.dayport.com
Still want to tell me certain,“other”, QB’s in this league would be getting the “benefit of the doubt”? And I read your post way down. I see your view on why you think athletes are of distorted realities. I was the QB till 9th grade before the switch to Safety in 10th through Sr. year,(another issue about “athletic QB’s” switching positions. See Tebow, compare Joe Webb), Golden Gloves star NE Ohio in Middle Weight, so I was the one getting away with all the stuff you said the others did, even at Ohio St., but my family values were consistent with what I was taught. Never got in more than a keg party fight, joined Army out of college,(refused being officer, started as private). Point is, athletics & privilege don’t make a person bad, they only shed light on who they really are to begin with in a greater capacity.
"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."
yeah pull the color arguement.
How Ray Lewis and Donte Stallworth kill someone and they get off with a slap on the wrist.. what color are they again?
Rat Lewis
didn’t kill anyone. As much as we like to joke about it. Donte Stallworth and Lenord Little did. But for some reason it was deemed that even though they were inebriated there still wasn’t enough evidence to show that the death could have been adverted if not for the state that the driver was in.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 8, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
my girlfriend worked at Docs Bar in Shadyside
where Ben frequented. I lived 1 block away so I was there pretty regularly. Ask anyone there. Ben is an Asshole.
bring Dawk & Westy home
frustrating
what is it with this guy and offseason issues…
I really hope this doesnt amount to anything
Everyone please settle down
Don’t jump one way or the other. We have no idea what happened and everything is extremely speculative right now, as the cops have released little to no information (I listened to the press conference). Right now it is simply accusation. So please do not condemn Ben when we do not know anything yet. On the same note, please do not run off calling this girl a crazy, gold digging “B”.
Lets all settle down, ignore the trolls, and let the story unfold before passing judgment.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by Johnny_S on Mar 5, 2010 6:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Sound advice
But I know what happened, because I was in the ventilation system above the women’s room. $3000 and the story is yours for your next six-pack.
Bad Andy, Good Pizza.
How about
1500 and the my 1st round draft pick in fantasy football next year
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
And you will seem ignorant if you're wrong
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
you love...
the chance a girl was sexually assaulted?
classy.
by Bug Ben on Mar 5, 2010 7:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don't feed the trolls, please...
And MaLoR, I actually expected more from you man. Is there any wonder why people still refer to an innicent man as a murder when things like this are said with no regard to the truth either way? Poor form
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 5, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
*Innocent
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 5, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, the Boldin stuff got me going. I apologize.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
It happens...
Congrats I guess. I look forward to many a “Face Me Ike” next year with Anquan in the backround looking very disgruntled.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 5, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
You stay classy Baltimore
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
like the quote that was about the same over at the Jungle
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"the earth moves when Sean Payton walks...Because his balls are just that huge." Anarchon after Super Bowl XLIV
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
O'lord let this not be true!
I take back my initial prayer for Steelers getting someone in free agency for this new one.
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
seriously
why did they not tag him with an ankle bracelet monitor after they signed him for a 100 million?
Call Dennis Dixon and tell him to start getting in some work with the WR’s.
Close, but
he needs a weiner bracelet, not an ankle bracelet.
by Blount Trauma on Mar 5, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Given the nature of this topic
everyone should stay away from even implying vulgarity.
The banhammer could swing hard and fast on a thread like this….
Assuming this is bogus...
then I cant understand why he isn’t more cautious to buffer himself in these situations considering what he’s already been through. If they are not bogus then Andrea McNulty became a rich woman and the Steelers better scramble to find a quarterback who doesn’t think he’s “bulletproof”.
"Oh, its a rainy night in Georgia,
Such a rainy, rainy night in Georgia.
Oh, it seems like its rainin’ all over the world."
Brook Benton (I think)
Just a first reaction. If Ben didn’t have bad luck, he’d have no luck at all.
I love Ben
But this story doesn’t surprise me, He was here in Charlotte Sunday night at Strike City and did something pretty questionable right along these lines that could have gotten blown up as well. I’m not going to drag his name in the mud with the story because he’s my QB but he needs to serious chill out with his antics. Come on Ben your a freaking NFL QB there is no need for you to be doing this!
please don't
Even the original comment hinting at something is unneeded.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
no
I’m not going to drag his name he’s doing it good enough himself. But if he conducts himself in other places like he did sunday night, then this does not surprise me one bit
what sex with a girl in the bathroom?
by steeler_in_maryland on Mar 5, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
When will we learn
That most pro athletes are the same.
These guys do and see stuff that is disgusting to the normal person. I’ve heard many stories about pro athletes and their “personal endeavors”.
You can’t ask these guys to be normal people because they’re not like you and me. They used to be a long time ago, but that was then and this is now. It is what it is.
Ben is an idiot, but we have to live with it.
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 5, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
We pay them too much money
Is the big problem. It makes them feel like they are above everyone else. Its ugly.
However, I would not generalize and say all athletes are exactly like this. I know several greats that are just good people that I’ve met: Cal Ripken, Joe Smith, Juan Dixon, Muggsy Bogues.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
I disagree with Cal Ripken
But I’ll be like our friend in Charlotte and hide behind the real story cuz I’m not in the mood to write it out.
Let’s just say these two things: It wouldn’t surprise anyone, and professional athletes don’t really think much of fidelity. But as Douchemandzadeh says, humans are one of the few members of the animal kingdom who have one mate. Or something like that. I dunno…I hate that guy.
We will have to disagree then
I think Ripken is a great guy. Especially considering how active I heard he remains in charities. If you have one story about him…that is one story. Another huge problem with athletes is that the public are so quick to condemn these guys after one event. I know I am guilty of it sometimes too.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
2 things I know about Ripken
1-He’s a terrible speaker, he put me to sleep while trying to sell his book…only thing I remembered was excercise
2-Kevin Costner used to bang his wife
anyway johnny…its one thing to meet a pro and another to know and hang out with one. the media will paint the story as they want them portrayed.(kind of like the palestinians and jews on gaza strip). Truth is unless your talking to them, hanging out, and golfing with hem daily you really don’t know who they are, and even if you did you still wouldn’t know. Where there is smoke there is fire. BB has nobody to blame but himself. I have heard numerous accusations about this guy in the past and continue to hear them. I was a witness wih my gf at a cavs game. We were in the platinum lounge and she asked him for a picture. His response was “only if you sit on my lap”, of course I had to take he damn pic. The dude could have cared less about me and if I was a Steeler lifer, he cared about one thing…getting some ass on his lap.
The truth is you have to take sports for what they are worth…pure joy and entertainment. I could care less what most of these guys do with their lives as long as they are dedicated to Ws. You shouldn’t waste your time defending BB because he could give two shits about you.
by TheCommish on Mar 5, 2010 9:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wasn't defending BB
I simply said everyone should wait to judge before they know the entire story.
This is probably too obvious to say, but asking a girl to sit on your lap vs. physically having sex or trying to have sex with a girl who is resisting are vastly different. The one makes you creepy and the other makes you a rapist.
I think it is prudent to gather the facts before making a judgment on anything.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
BB
Is supposed to be my best friend someday. He promised.
Brian: Face it Peter, you get competitive about everything.
Peter: I am so not competitive. In fact, I am the least non-competitive. So I win.
by SoCalSteelerFan on Mar 5, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Wait....your girlfriend actually sat on his lap?
"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Tony Montana- Scarface
I gotta agree with TheCommish
I played college football for 4 years, and I can tell you there were some questionable characters in that lockeroom. And those guys were just college athletes.
Unitl you have experienced these guys in person, you’ll never know how truly f’d up they are.
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 5, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
Just curious Commish
Why the hell did your g/f sit on his lap if she didn’t want to and especially with YOU standing there? Sounds like SHE disrespected you as much as you say Ben just wanted some ass on his lap. Some things aren’t worth a photo opportunity…. just sayin’.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
she wanted a pic and it was in the moment. Its not like there was any lost love.it was for like 15 seconds. I thought it was pretty funny bc she is a die hard browns fan. the point is BB rep as a sleaze was validated just in his casual demeanor of taking a photo. I didn’t take it as a personal attack on her or myself, it was just a prototypical act of BB that we have become acustomed too. In fact when I dropped the news about his allegations today she thought I was kidding but she said it didn’t surprise her one bit.
by TheCommish on Mar 6, 2010 1:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not sure how Sleazy Ben was in that situation. I mean he asked and she nor you were offended
I don’t think I would sit on another guy’s lap and let my boyfriend take a pic of us. And she’s not even a fan? That’s kinda weird.
"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Tony Montana- Scarface
I was thinking the same thing
Good post. There are plenty of people on the pro sports scene that conduct themselves just fine. Some of them go their whole careers as saints and live the good life the right way. Some of them as the years go by show their true character. Like i would have never thought Jon Beason would have cocaine allegations against him, of all people! That guy is on a milk poster in my kids school cafeteria promoting a healthy lifestyle. It just amazes me how people open themselves up to these situations, guilty or not. Ben’s got to be smarter about this.
I bet cal ripkin is a yeller
I was at the send off game at Camden yards and he admitted that he was yelling when he and his family were stuck in traffic getting to the game
by steeler_in_maryland on Mar 5, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
A yeller?
So Cal Ripken was upset that he was late to a really important event, so he raised his voice? Big whoop
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
True!
Ever notice when you’re driving, all the people driving slower than you are idiots, & all the one’s driving faster than you are lunatics?
"You never stand so tall as to when you reach down to pick someone up."
I didn't say all
I said most pro athletes are the same. Guys like Brian Dawkins, David Robinson, and A.C. Green are obvious examples.
And the salaries are only going to get bigger.
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 5, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yes. I got to hang out with him for a week at basketball camp right before he got drafted. It was awesome. Obviously, his fame was higher back then. It was him and Exree Hipp. And then the next week I got to hang out with Muggsy Bogues. Bogues actually visited the camp several times.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
I'm sorry but he is too old to be acting like a frat boy
Why doesn’t he just hire an escort when he wants to disrespect a woman? They never talk….
"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Tony Montana- Scarface
tiger woods would disagree with you
by steeler_in_maryland on Mar 5, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
Tiger was cheap....he only paid for travel expenses
"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Tony Montana- Scarface
at least this guy needs to go to sex rehab I hear tiger woods and David Duconvy can recommend a good place
by steeler_in_maryland on Mar 5, 2010 8:17 PM EST reply actions
I know, right?
What a racket…Chamberlain never went to sex rehab! If anyone had a problem with it, it was that dude!
I should have become a sex thearpist
by steeler_in_maryland on Mar 5, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
haha
you’ll know some pretty famous people! nobody wants to go to sex rehab unless it looks good in the media! haha
what is it with these guys ben, Bill Clinton, tiger, etc being so screw happy.
by steeler_in_maryland on Mar 5, 2010 8:21 PM EST reply actions
yes but I am aware some this girls are just plain sluts
by steeler_in_maryland on Mar 5, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Probably not an appropriate sentence for this blog.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
Not yours, I meant his
lol
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
blitzburgh
have you petitioned blitz to have your name added as site moderator yet?
by TheCommish on Mar 5, 2010 9:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Your snide comments are not very becoming. It’s clear you do not like me, but be assured the feeling is mutual.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
nothing against you Johnny, I don’t know you so I cannot dislike you. you have nice write ups sometimes. its apparent that you take a lot of pride in the bhtsc community. the only thing I take exception to is your casual moderation of others opinions. this is an open forum for all to partake. please don’t be defensive and fire back with one of your rebuttals. opinions are free to be discussed but do not discredit. as for the facts BB is a great qb and a douche with the ladies.
by TheCommish on Mar 6, 2010 2:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’ve never moderated anyone’s opinions. But saying that girls are sluts on a board with many female and young children members is not appropriate. You let stuff like that fly and things will get out of control.
I do take pride in BTSC, and I don’t want some members to be pushed away because of an overflow of inappropriate comments.
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
by Johnny_S on Mar 6, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Time and place. Johnny's spot on here.
This topic is a time-bomb waiting to go off, and the need to think before just tossing out the comments should be considered.
Nothing wrong with the opinions, just think before posting.
And so are some guys...
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
Something seems foolish of me to pass judgement on that, as I sit here watching a basketball game and eating a Filet-o-Fish in my sweatpants on a Friday evening.
Give me back my filet-o-fish
give me that fish
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Mar 8, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
I know its a serious subject
But that is funny
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
And I'll Quote the great Peter Griffin-
“Women are objects that the Lord Jesus Christ placed on this earth for our entertainment.”
You’re shitting me Ben. Really? Speculation or not something happened to stir this thing up. We can all defend you the first time cause you’re our guy but what am I going to tell my friends now? Yea, I’d rather have Rivers cause he doesn’t sexually assault women? Damn. Go get a girl friend or try calling them and inviting them to your house for once. You have a 100 million dollar mansion right? Can’t be that hard. And build a room for Skippy with a bunch of towel dispensers so he can go to town. Let’s keep this nonsense under wraps Steelers.
Brian: Face it Peter, you get competitive about everything.
Peter: I am so not competitive. In fact, I am the least non-competitive. So I win.
If he invites them to his house
he to make sure he has cameras in every room and hall way and makes sure she signs a letter of consent that anything can and may happen and she agrees to all. Seriously.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 8, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder what the Rooneys are thinking right now
"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Tony Montana- Scarface
Hey we got Boldin!
How’s your week been?
by John Harbaugh's Dad on Mar 5, 2010 9:39 PM EST reply actions
My heart sank when I heard this.
I really hope this is another false accusation. I just never believed McNulty’s crazy story. However, now he is starting to rack up a reputation. This isn’t good and this isn’t what the Steelers should be about.
Time to grow up Ben and quit getting yourself into these compromising situations…
by newcastle,pa-gal on Mar 5, 2010 9:42 PM EST reply actions
This story is very disheartening
Maybe the Rooney’s should allow Ben to ride his motorcycle again. He needs something to keep his mind off this creepy news.
Be careful, it's my heart.
Meant to say..
He needs something to keep hims mind off doing this creepy shit.
Be careful, it's my heart.
Obviously, given the prior accusation against Ben, we are skeptical of motive
This pretty much describes the situation for me right now. I’m sure nothing will come of it, just like last year.
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
Isn't that case still pending?
If so, that chick in Nevada may be getting paid soon
"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Tony Montana- Scarface
I was under the impression that the charges were dropped from lack of evidence. Besides, Ben cannot be that dumb, right?
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 5, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I was searching around last week to see if there was any update on that case but I couldn’t find anything. I should have just left it alone.
"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Tony Montana- Scarface
A few months ago
somebody posted a wish list for the Steelers that included the wish that Ben would fall deeply and monogamously in love. It was rather depressing to me that more than one person took exception to this, and felt that Ben should be allowed to be a ‘player.’ Conversely, in one of the many discussions about Tim Tebow, he was mocked because he said that he was a virgin and intended to stay that way until he married. How many of you would be willing at this moment to trade Tebow’s approach to gender relations for Ben’s? Combine the implication that someone isn’t really a man unless he’s getting all the sex he can with the societal tendency to elevate elite football players to the status of demi-gods and you have the recipe for disaster. This doesn’t absolve these men from personal responsibility, but it makes it easier to see how such things could happen.
I am not prejudging this situation. No one hopes he is innocent (and can be proven to be so) more than I do. If he is innocent, I hope he has learned a valuable lesson – if you put yourself in compromising situations, sooner or later you’re going to get burned. When an organization like the Steelers is paying you the kind of money they are paying him, it behooves you to keep your nose clean. And if he is guilty, I hope they throw his ass in the slammer for the maximum sentence. There needs to be a huge message sent to society at large that ‘no’ means ‘no’ even if you are famous. I’m really hoping that we aren’t going to find that this is Ben’s fatal flaw. A fatal flaw makes for good Greek tragedies, but is rather unfortunate in one’s franchise quarterback.
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
I was one that he should be a player ... Look at George Clonney he is a player ..
it depens on what type of girl you like to do the deed with
by steeler_in_maryland on Mar 5, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't you get the memo.....Clooney is gay
"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Tony Montana- Scarface
I agree you mostly momma with the exception of Tebow
I am always skeptical of celebrities/athletes who proclaim their innocence. Remember when little Britney Spears proclaimed she was a virgin when she first came out? Yah, we all know what happened with that one.
The point is Tebow is probably not as angelic as he proclaims and I’m okay with that. I have learned to accept athletes being male whores, drunks and doing a couple of drugs during the off season.
I just don’t want to hear about athletes assaulting women or men…it’s just unacceptable
"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Tony Montana- Scarface
Tebow's trying everythin in his power to do it the right way
People are just so judgmental that they make him out to be some self proclaimed saint which is far from true. He has a winning attitude and has succeeded in every stage of football thus far in his life. To say that he’s going to fail miserably is being ignorant and jealous. It’s hard for people to talk about Tebow without talking about his stance on life. The guy’s a virgin. Good for him. It’s his decision. He doesn’t believe in abortion. Good for him. His decision. He can’t take a snap under center. No we have a real football conversation.
Brian: Face it Peter, you get competitive about everything.
Peter: I am so not competitive. In fact, I am the least non-competitive. So I win.
by SoCalSteelerFan on Mar 5, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I never said Tebow was going to fail miserably
I’m just saying maybe we shouldn’t make him a poster boy for morality because he is human and like all of us he is prone to making mistakes in life.
"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Tony Montana- Scarface
What a depressing statement:
I have learned to accept athletes being male whores, drunks and doing a couple of drugs during the off season
Surely we can hold people to a bit higher standard than that. It also rather dishonors the guys who don’t do that stuff. They may be in the minority, but I don’t think it is unreasonable to hold all of them to a higher standard than you are implying is acceptable. After all, we get what we tolerate…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Mar 5, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1000
Your comment speaks the truth. I’m sick and tired of the excuses of and for inappropriate behavior by human beings, pro-athletes or not.
I’m tired of listening how Mike Vick really didn’t know bankrolling and actively participating in dog fighting and the taking of lives of dogs was wrong based on “where he grew up”. Bullshit. It’s not race issue….it’s damn arrogance and ignorance and an unwillingness to follow the rules of society. (Yes; I watched “The Michael Vick Project” on TV because I really did want to hear his side of the story. It’s enlightening.)
I’m with you momma~ if Ben did commit the crime in NV; toss his ass in prison. If Ben has difficulty behaving appropriately around women; I hope the Rooney’s get him help if he’s too damn dumb to seek it for himself.
If these women are making false allegations for some sick desire for ….what….money? 15 minutes of fame? the chance to play victim? then I’m embarrassed and even more disgusted by the behavior of my fellow women than I can say. Assault of any kind is not just physical but emotional and for anyone to make light of that by filing or even accusing another human being of it just sickens me.
I have to wonder how people sleep well at night.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
You girls know not what you speak of
It’s logical to say that we should hold them to a higher standard, but at the same time it’s not.
You don’t understand.
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 6, 2010 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
wait...
it’s not logical we should hold someone to the same standard as everyone else regardless of their pay level, fame, or job?
just trying to understand your comment
I hold myself to a pretty high standard, but I don’t know what I’d do if I had 20 year olds throwing themselves at me. I would hope I’m smart enough, I think I am, but I can’t be sure.
This is true, but it's also a question of nature.
It’s hardwired into a males brain to pro-create. If he has almost literally millions of girls willing and throwing themselves at him, it would take an almost super-human amount of will-power not to take a dip with some of the more beautiful ones. It’s easy to say high and mighty moral statements like this when we are not the ones having gorgeous women all but rip off our pants and get to it in the middle of a club because were a famous sports star.
I do agree though, that one should have self control. It’s not so much that he is doing it, its where he is doing it, and who he is doing it with.
We increased our offensive production by 1,000 yards but our points by only 3 touchdowns?
-Johnny_S
Bungles
Tank
Stupidly like
Clockwork
by svenhoek on Mar 6, 2010 2:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i'll reply to you because you both said something along the same lines
i agree completely with both of you. and i’ve refrained from from making any direct comments about ben’s actions so far, but all i have to say is regardless if these claims are fabricated or not, ben needs to change how he meets & behaves around women initially. probably a lot easier said than done, but needs to happen if he’s going to be accused of sexual assault on a yearly basis.
but for my inital comment: if ben want’s to hook up with tons of women who are “throwing themselves at him” that’s his prerogative and i seriously couldnt less care if he was a virgin or filmed porno’s in the offseason. whatever as long as it doesnt have an impact on the field. i do however, have a major issue when ppl think it’s okay to break laws/do morally bad things like forcing yourself on a girl or other things blackgoldfan said/or just be a dbag towards ppl because it’s easier to get away with due to job/money/fame. (& i’m am not equating hooking up with a lot of women to hurting other ppl & not saying ben did those things. just referring to it in general). it can sometimes be easier/more tempting to things like that for certain reasons but doesnt ever mean it should be tolerated. so many times in history ppl used to do horrible things becuz it “was the norm” or easy for them to do it, but ppl eventually took a stand and things were changed. it’s just always been a personal issue with me when someone’s obv out of line but ppl think its ok because they’re “special.” i’m sorry if it seemed (or did) get up on a soap box & i didnt mean to get all moral on ppl.
Like I said
Don’t try to understand professional athletes. They’re different people.
Things that we would never do they have already done many times. It’s a different world.
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 6, 2010 3:39 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't think you were getting moral,
You just made an argument based on morals, which is completely valid. I was just stating the other side of it. This is one of those things that both of us are right in our arguments. Ben needs to show restraint and handle his business in a better way, obviously. My own view point, based on what I have read, is that this is probably another money grab. But it’s really hard to say that when this is the second time it’s happened.
On a side note, Worst. Porno. Ever.
We increased our offensive production by 1,000 yards but our points by only 3 touchdowns?
-Johnny_S
Bungles
Tank
Stupidly like
Clockwork
I'm not holding anyone to a higher standard
I’m just saying I’m not willing to listen to excuses for failure to meet a MINIMUM standard simply because they are pro athletes. They are not above the law and shouldn’t be treated like we should just accept that with fame comes a pass to do what they want without repercussions.
You’re right, StoneColdSteel, I don’t understand.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
Unarmed bank robbery convictions earn on average 5 years more jail time than bank embezzlement convictions.
Same crime, different situations. A crime of opportunity is never judged as harsh, and Pro-Football players are considered to have increased opportunity at young women.
It’s also generally assumed that the girl will know he’s an athlete and that he is after something.
Not many people shot and killed during an embezzlement
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Mar 7, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
key word there being
unarmed it’s hard to shoot and kill someone when you’re unarmed.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Bank Guards
aren’t noted as being the sharpest knives in the drawer. Once the alarm goes, as long as some in the bank is armed there is a chance someone will end up shot if only due to stupidity, and stupidity is already in play if someone is robbing a bank.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Mar 7, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
I work for a bank
and that is precisely why our branches do not have guards, armed or otherwise.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Mar 8, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Vick
So is cock fighting wrong? Essentially the same deal, but its illegal here but there are places where its not illegal because of the culture. Horse racing, its legal here but PETA can’t stand it. Look I’m saying that if you take the approach that you can’t include culture as an excuse then that is misguided. We are all in some part products of our environment.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 8, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
It is a depressing statement but....
it’s also a sign of the times. I won’t hold millionaire men (boys)in their 20’s to a higher standard than I hold my 60 year old father or uncle.
I used to think entertainers, athletes and politicians had common sense and morals but I’ve seen my fair share of things in person and on the news to know these people have zero inhibitions and most of the time they get anything they want.
I can tolerate an athlete drinking, smoking a joint and whoring around with women (or men in some cases) as long as they show up on the field and do their job.
However, I will never accept anyone physically abusing another person or animal in any shape or form.
"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Tony Montana- Scarface
And there is nothing more than an "accusation" right now....
…and we ARE still “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law” here in America.
Unless, of course, you’re a pro athlete or celebrity. In that case, yer screwed….
Agreed momma
People want it both ways. They don’t want you to be a virgin or monogamous. They want to lift you up and make you feel like you are a super human and tell you should be able to sleep around with who you please. So when you combine the two you can get a mixture of I’m above you and you have to sleep with me because I am me. Then we wonder how could he possibly act in such a way. Again not, absolving Ben from anything but simply saying that this isn’t going to change and we will more likely see more cases like this because we as a society has plotted this ever winding course that moves further and further from the principles that were held earlier and beliefs that was held earlier in our history – not to say that everyone subjected themselves to these beliefs but most did. Maybe what man thinks is good really isn’t good.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 8, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Sexual Assault
Sexual assault does not have to be rape (forced intercourse). It can be improper touching of various degrees. I am pretty sure that if it was rape, the authorities would know by now and Ben would be out on bond. Whatever it was, Ben has no business putting himself in that position to be accused. He’s a good looking young guy with a pocketful of money and is well known. He needs to THINK before he DRINKS. These women are not STUPID. They know that there is a lot of money to be had by suing athletes. I am not going to say that this particular woman is “trying to get over” because I do not know her. Like any “avid Steeler fan” (which I am), I hope that the allegations are not true. But I ask, WHEN is Ben going to LEARN? It is time for management to call him in and give him an ultimatum. It would be a shame for him to blow such a “promising” career. He can’t (in public) joke and be over playful anymore. It’s time for him to GROW UP. Time for Momma and Poppa Rothlisberger (or Papa Rooney) to call “sonny” in and have a LONG talk with him. Maybe he will listen to them. I want to be able to concentrate on the draft – not how Ben has “screwedup” again in the offseason. We have a Commissioner who does not “play”. It would REALLY hurt us if Ben has to sit out some games because of his immaturity. Again I say GROW UP BEN!!!!!!
I think Rooney will give him, if not already, an ultimatum
You’re very right. This could be a fluke or it could be the real deal. But what is for certain is that he’s putting himself in these situations. I know the Rooney’s will not tolerate it much longer. This is a no nonsense franchise here people.
Brian: Face it Peter, you get competitive about everything.
Peter: I am so not competitive. In fact, I am the least non-competitive. So I win.
by SoCalSteelerFan on Mar 5, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
I'll actually disagree with that.
The Steelers have dept a lot of players with legal issues, they don’t go after people with attitude problems or ones who are a bad locker room presence. We go after “Character” guys, not moral guys, guys who work hard and put the team above themselves, guys who care about the team. Ben does that, even if he does turn out to be a scumball.
thinking is obviously not his strong suit
very fast motorcycle + head – helmet + windshield of grandma’s cadillac = our franchise QB utilizing his best judgment. maybe his new mullet is using up too many of his brain cells. maybe he’s just plain dumb. whatever the case, i agree it’s time for an intervention. he’s got plenty of money so i suppose we should just send him to vegas to find a nice date who’s gonna cost him a helluva lot less money than his upcoming legal fees
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Wooooord
Brian: Face it Peter, you get competitive about everything.
Peter: I am so not competitive. In fact, I am the least non-competitive. So I win.
by SoCalSteelerFan on Mar 5, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
not there is no speculation over the draft
we are going to draft Tim Tebow to play all 22 positions at the same time
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by WVPiratesfan on Mar 5, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
LITTLE BEN
Innocent until proven guilty but I guarantee someone in the Steelers office is looking into the clauses in his contract to see if it can be voided if there is truth to this. And hanging out with a 20 yr old girl who cant even have a drink is lame considering his past issues.
You're right, the statement about the 20 year old...
Where there is smoke, there’s usually fire. I just hope this isn’t true, but regardless, now that there has been 2 stories, you can bet there will be more.
I will neither confirm or deny that I was in said club on the night in question...
Seriously though, Blitz, you need to swing the banhammer hard and fast (giggity) on any trolls what come over here. This isn’t an elementary school playground (except among ourselves).
Furthermore, I will not be participating in any discussions that have to do with this subject. I’m not even going to offer an opinion as to the innocence or guilt of our QB. These kinds of things are nothing but troll bait. The more posts we have about this, the more people like tennbengalfan love to stick the needle in and twist.
Let’s not freak out about it, and go on about our lives, and discuss the exceedingly interesting subject of free agency.
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-James Woods
He needs to start getting a freaking contract he carries around with him everywhere he goes...
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http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2010/3/6/1359552/its-never-been-more-important#comments
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Ya I know.
If you don’t laugh, you’ll just cry.
We increased our offensive production by 1,000 yards but our points by only 3 touchdowns?
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Watched ESPN last night
Something really stinks with this statement. Can you pick it out?
A woman reported that she had been sexually assaulted or sexually manipulated by a white male, 6’5’’, 241lbs with brown hair and brown eyes, but would not confirm that the man was Roethlisberger.
Bad Andy, Good Pizza.
Saw that too.
I promise you if I were assaulted and I knew the person for even 5 minutes the police wouldn’t have to go by a description to figure out who it may or may not be.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
Is it the fact that
She knows his exact weight?
"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight
Now if it were you
That Ben fondled…I would expect you to know that type of information.
Bad Andy, Good Pizza.
by count'em_six on Mar 6, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
I was curious about how Cossack on ESPN mentioned
… that the victim in question claimed sexual assault or, and this is the interesting part, sexual manipulation. I am wondering to what extent sexual manipulation is a crime, for instance how manipulated would someone have to feel. Are we talking Ron Mexico- level manipulation, or my name is Ben Roethlisberger and I am 6’5" and 241 lbs? Seriously, if you look at the pic, someone has been partying too much with Big Snack.
Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(
that's from the police report
it wasn’t her not confirming it was roethlisberger, it was the police who wrote the descriptors themselves & ben’s name was blacked on the police report.
she could have very well said “ben molested me” and then the police took down those descriptors as extra details as they saw them once they interviewed ben. or maybe she said the weight amount herself.
It's the fact that if she was describing him, how could she have known his exact weight?
We all know that he weighs a lot more anyway, so she obviously got his stats off of a website. I wonder if she knows anyone in Las Vegas or was a plant?? The police said that she said he was 6’5" and weighed 241 with brown eyes and brown hair.
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
He also does not have brown eyes: they are green.
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
Yawn. . .
Police get a description, they don’t tell the description that the witness gave, they give the results of their people trained to turn accounts into descriptions.
Otherwise we’d get:
Police say the woman was assaulted by a guy that was really tall, and big, he had big shoulders and a bit of a beer gut. He was muscular, you know like a football player. He was really drunk. . . yeah.
this story
needs so much more info before it is even close to being appropriate to pass judgment on any of the parties involved.
Well...they may have been trying to protect identities
However, it’s the details of that description that bug me…
How the hell did she know he was 241 lbs?? How did she know he’s 6’5’’? Did they break out the doctor’s scale at the club before the cops came?
Descriptions are always rough estimates….6 foot, 200 pounds…a little over 6 foot, maybe 250lbs. Very odd that details like that come out so early.
Bad Andy, Good Pizza.
meant as a reply to 1BlkGldFan
Bad Andy, Good Pizza.
by count'em_six on Mar 6, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Yes that was interesting wasn't it.
I had to laugh at the Dr’s scale thing…. Maybe that’s not such a bad idea… have a medical professional at bars/nightclubs to issue health certificates too.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
I think they were just being subtle
The cops aren’t going to make it seem like they’re specifically targeting Roethlisberger. Yes, I took exception to the 241 pound thing too, but from a legal perspective, that’s a little more objective than saying “the victim said Ben Roethlisberger sexually assaulted her.”
They can’t make it appear like the investigation was targeted on him from the start, or Roethlisberger’s lawyers can play the Celebrity Stalker card. Probably will anyway, but at least they won’t have to face questions as to why they heard Roethlisberger’s name, and took a subjective approach to their jobs.
by Neal Coolong on Mar 6, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Until the Facts are Known....
The facts of this latest incident are still emerging.
Right now we can say one thing. At the very least, Ben needs to seriously reevaluate the kind of company he keeps and the locales he frequents.
If these charges are baseless, and I hope they are, the Steelers need to sit Ben down and have a long talk with him and make sure he gets his head screwed on right, and starts using a little more common sense when he goes out in public.
If it turns out the charges do have some merit, then the Steelers need to sit back and let the judical process unfold. But they need to be prepared to swallow hard and act as soon as a verdict is rendered.
by Hombre de Acero on Mar 6, 2010 11:52 AM EST reply actions
+1
At the very least, he’s going to have to realize that the bulls-eye on his back applies when he’s in street clothes, too.
I understand he’s merely a 28 year old who may be expected to live his life as someone much older; but with fame and recognition comes huge responsibilities.
The Steeler organization has never been one to allow players to destroy the integrity of the franchise without swift and significant action. As much as having Ben being the franchise QB means to all of us; we aren’t Cincinnati. This isn’t NFL player-rehab with babysitting duties.
These guys really need to man up. It’s getting old.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
Like how you channeled your inner Sam Wyche
when you said we aren’t Cincinnati
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by WVPiratesfan on Mar 6, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yosemite Sam maybe
just the thought of being the collection urinal for players who cannot conform like Cincy is… just… ugh. Very un-Steeler-like.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
Sir Charles Barkley said it best many years ago
“I’m not a role model.”
The universe is cyclical. He was right back then and he’s still right today. Athletes are not role models. The fact that they never seem to learn is what boggles my mind. No matter how many different stories get reported on sportscenter about how some athlete was involved in some kind of illegal or questionable activity the message never gets across to their peers it seems. The whole “it will never happen to me” or “I can buy my way out of this” lifestyle needs to change.
Because they are invincible
In their own minds. It takes a very large ego to play sports at a high level. A guy like Ben or Tom Brady has to have supreme confidence in himself or he’ll never be great.
It is what it is.
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 6, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry. Link didn't work.
It is here: http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/05/ben-roethlisberger-devil-t-shirt-photo-pictures-accused-sexual-assault/.
hhhheaaattttthhhhh!
"You have to under promise and over deliver." Mike Tomlin
Heart broken
I’m not naive enough to think athletes should be idolized and put on a pedestal like they are. We have seen to many of them fall short of our expectations, but I sure didn’t think Ben would be one of them.
As last season unfolded, it was clear Ben and Hines were not getting along. I was mad at Hines for not working well with the face of the franchise. Their failed relationship was a defining factor in the season’s outcome. I’m beginning to wonder if Hines knew more than most about Ben’s improprieties. My anger has shifted.
Be careful, it's my heart.
That whole thing was blown out of proportion
The Hines v Ben thing was just another case of sensationalizing up the event for more readers to buy into. And please, let’s not crucify Ben yet, we’ve yet to hear the other side of the story. What many seem to forget or choose to ignore is a little thing called “Innocent until proven guilty”, that’s only what the entire American justice system has been based off of for as long as it has existed,
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by HighSchoolSteeler on Mar 6, 2010 12:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Has anyone notice how large Benjamin really is
I was really hoping that he would be spending his off-season getting his mind and body right. I really feel that the Steelers need to start looking down the road, not just because of this incident, but because of his apparent lack of discipline. He is a fantastic talent, but I fear that once the physical prowress dissapates, we may be in trouble. It’s not too late for him to turn in around though. I implore Ben to take care of his mind and body, he owes it to himself, his family, his team and the fans.
i'm willing to bet that he is only guilty of some bad judgement...
and I’m sticking to that on this until he is proven guilty in court. What we have here is more than likely a case of hunting for a payday.
About athletes, celebrity and money
I tend to not judge in situations like this, or if I do I end up casting a very broad net. Consider:
How would you handle the accolades, the money, the preferencial treatment at the age of, say, 20? I don’t know about you but the chances of my being somewhat of a flaming asshole would be pretty good. And I’d have help too; from a fawning public only too happy to reinforce the idea that the rules don’t apply to me. Whether it is a fan who interrupts my dinner to secure an autograph and conversation, to the restaurant owner who gives me priority seating without a reservation, and doesn’t charge me for the meal, to worshipful members of the opposite sex (usually) who naively think they can be part of the entourage without some sort of contribution beyond the pleasure of their company, to the predators, con artists and mental cases whose intentions is blackmail in many manifestations.
My point is that it is very difficult to maintain perspective under circumstances where the world appears to be hellbent on having you maintain a distorted worldview. That is, of course, until you begin to internalize this sense of inttilement. Then they will make money and entertain themselves bringing you down and wondering aloud how could you be such a fool.
Those who live in glass houses
A distorted world view?
I don’t think Roethlisberger’s, or Tom Brady’s, or any NFL quarterback’s, world view is distorted. I think their world is not ours.
I don’t know about you guys, but was the fourth WR in a spread offense in high school. We had three all-state receivers and an all-state quarterback. I was without question the worst player in the starting 11. I knew I wasn’t any good, and I wasn’t going to get the same kind of opportunities the really good players were going to get. They all had their choice of girls in school and other smaller bonuses and perks.
My world wasn’t theirs. A few of them got into trouble when they were in college, probably just meatheads being meatheads, but I spoke with them after it, and they honestly didn’t think they did anything wrong. The cop or the other student just simply didn’t like the football team, that’s why they got into trouble.
It made me sort of mad at first, but after thinking about it, it was like, “yeah, of COURSE you think that way. You never had any reason to think otherwise.”
That doesn’t absolve them of anything, but I followed the rules because I had to. They didn’t because, simply, they didn’t have to. After that, they did, but it’s the same mentality we’re talking about here. You can’t be completely worshipped and be normal in the way we see it. They don’t live in our world.
Living In "Our" World
I hear what you’re saying Cool. I just think that’s where parenting comes in. I’ll bet anyone a dollar the most disappointed people in hearing this news were Mr. & Mrs. Roethlisberger. I am sure they think they may have failed Ben in some way. And, in some way, they did.
I repeat what I said above as well. i can not believe Ben is so stupid that he could have a 102 million dollar contract and not be paying a couple body guards to hang around with him and keep him out of trouble. These guys could also provide Ben with corroborating witnesses to these encounters. Stupid Ben not Big Ben.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
Well Willie Colon was with him
Does that count as a bodyguard?
by StoneColdSteel on Mar 6, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Source?
Where did you read that? I thought the police report said no other Steelers players were at the scene?
Joke I’m not getting maybe? As in; Colon surely isn’t a RT. Perhaps he’s a bodyguard.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
The original report said that Colon and another Steeler were with him.
Either that was incorrect or they had bailed earlier in the evening.
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by momma rollett on Mar 6, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
You're Right
Per Sunday’s Trib;
Steelers tackle Willie Colon was with Roethlisberger at times that night.
“Willie has no knowledge of any incident alleged or otherwise,” said Joe Linta, Colon’s agent.
And I still think Ben needs to hire professional body guards to be his entourage, not Willie Colon.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
I think Ben needs professional babysitters
to be his entourage…
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by momma rollett on Mar 7, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
can relate
I was a walk on in college. At a low level D-1 school. You’d be surprised at what that entitles you to. As for the ‘stars’; no limits, and whoa to anyone who would challenge the order.
But then you also have players like Hines and Troy
Who are class acts 24/7 regardless of whether there is a camera around. People who have met Troy have all said he’s the same low-key, soft-spoken guy you see in interviews, someone who would wait for hours to make sure every kid in the crowd got an autograph and smile the whole time he was doing it.
It’s sad that people like him are the exception and not the rule in the sports world.
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Exactly
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by momma rollett on Mar 6, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know much about Troy but Hines is one of the biggest dogs out there
He’s just smart because he actually pays
"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Tony Montana- Scarface
troy is a class act & a half
i had a HS friend who played on the girls saint vincent tennis team. sometimes they would have to go back to school early for practice & the steelers would be there. i’ve heard some interesting stories about certain things, both good things and bad.
i was told troy would go to watch the college teams practice/play with his wife and was supportive of them. a multi-million dollar athlete spending his free time at camp watching DIII level sports teams practice and play. & it’s not like he was doing it for the media attention because there was none.
I am inclined to agree with you...they have probably been treated differently for most of their lives
Back in college (a big state school)…our RA told us to not even walk around the athletic dorm, because girls had been abused there, even pulled in there. I don’t think there were ever any real consequences for the athletes, sadly, this process just starts at the high school level or maybe even earlier and gets worse.
by newcastle,pa-gal on Mar 9, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
BIG BEN
WE EITHER HAVE TO TRADE HIM TO THE BENGALS OR GET GIRL FRIEND, TO KEEP HIM OUT OF THE STREETS, HE CA SMALL TOWN BOY GETS IN THE BIG CITY AN DON’T KNOW HOW TO ACT. HE NEEDS A GOOD WOMAN TO STRAIGT HIM OUT SOMBODY PLEASE HELP HIM BEFORE HE ENDS HIS CAREER.
Is that Cal Ripkin yelling again?
You know how he likes to yell.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
I'm willing to take one for the team
and volunteer to be Big Ben’s girlfriend if it’s for the greater good.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
I am amazed
by the selflessness you have just displayed. I can’t match that, but I will volunteer to be his mom. His parents may be wonderful people, but they apparently haven’t figured out how to get his attention. Gina, between the two of us we can get him straightened out. Somebody please inform MT…
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by momma rollett on Mar 6, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
could you also tell him to throw the ball away every once and a while
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Absolutely.
That will be very high on my agenda…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Mar 6, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
good
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You're gonna need this.
God speed.
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by svenhoek on Mar 6, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You know, I was about to put "the suit, not the dude"
But after careful inspection of that mustache, I think you need both.
We increased our offensive production by 1,000 yards but our points by only 3 touchdowns?
-Johnny_S
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How can he not have a girlfriend?
I know he is ugly as s***, but he has $100 million. I could get any girl to marry me if I had that money. Why not get someone he can sexually assault and rape all he wants without all the legal troubles? Even Joe Flacco has a girlfriend.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
and Joe Flacco has a unibrow
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does not Joe Flacco still live with mommy?
by steeler_in_maryland on Mar 6, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Uhh their called "room-mates"
And they just bought him some sick rims for his car-bed.
+1 to whoever gets that reference.
We increased our offensive production by 1,000 yards but our points by only 3 touchdowns?
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I always thought Ben was kinda sexy even without the big bucks
Although his alleged pervy behavior as of late is a turn off….
"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Tony Montana- Scarface
Ben is ugly, MaLoR?
You clearly have very high standards in your men ;-P
I don't know what we are yelling about
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LOUD NOISES!
We increased our offensive production by 1,000 yards but our points by only 3 touchdowns?
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are you seeing random things and saying that you love them
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From the comments on TMZ
“What a believable story! A public restroom in a nightclub is the perfect place to commit a rape…what are the odds of anyone walking in there? Ladies rooms in nightclub are like ghost towns. So private. So desolate. The constant lines outside are really just women waiting for the payphone in the hallway. And it’s not like anyone would even notice a great big, famous, male football player heading into or out of the ladies room. Nooooo”
We increased our offensive production by 1,000 yards but our points by only 3 touchdowns?
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better question why is 20 year old in a night club
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So that she can accuse someone of raping her for money!
DUH!
We increased our offensive production by 1,000 yards but our points by only 3 touchdowns?
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Clockwork
I forgot
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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That's not really a better question
I live about 20 minutes south of milledgeville and it’s pretty much a college town. And usually college towns clubs are full of kids from 18-24.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
well I do understand what a college town is, I do live in West By God Virginia
why didn’t you go try to save Ben from himself (Sarcaism)
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Its a Great Day to be a Mountaineer where ever you may be" Tony Caridi
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
by WVPiratesfan on Mar 7, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
I go to school in NC
and was there at the time. Believe me if I ever find out I’m within 20 minutes of Ben’s location I’ll probably race there and end up sexually assaulting him.
(im just kidding internet police. I’m not a predator, I’m also like 1/5th of Ben’s size)
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Hopefully this brightens the mood.
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/steeler-fans-let-jeff-reed-take-the-edge-off-27986
Skippy and greenman!
the dude abides.
Fornication is still a sex offense in Georgia
O.C.G.A. § 16-6-18 (2009) § 16-6-18. Fornication
An unmarried person commits the offense of fornication when he voluntarily has sexual intercourse with another person and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished as for a misdemeanor.
"Sick Puppy is ultimately as unforgiving as nature's order... There is no redemption or apology." - wikipedia
I'm not going to ask
how you know that…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Mar 6, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Google search
Just trying to see what Georgia considers sexual assault.
The authorities in Georgia allowed Ben to leave the state – that could mean everyone is assuming the worst about what he is being accused of.
"Sick Puppy is ultimately as unforgiving as nature's order... There is no redemption or apology." - wikipedia
You have a point -
I’m no legal expert, but I can’t imagine they would have let him go if the girl was accusing him of rape, fornication laws or no. The accusation must surely be something less than that.
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by momma rollett on Mar 6, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
A Reporter asked if the crime was rape or sexual assault and the cop said, "Sexual Assault".
I really thought they were the same thing.
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
by SteeladyinVA on Mar 6, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Sexual assault could range from misappropriate touching to forcing himself on an acquaintance. It is a generic term. Rape is a very specific case involving holding someone against their will.
In Georgia, the only crime actually called Sexual Assault involves doctors, therapists, etc. having sexual contact with their patients.
"Sick Puppy is ultimately as unforgiving as nature's order... There is no redemption or apology." - wikipedia
I'm going to assume that it is a blue law
and no one has been sent to prison for that in some time
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Its a Great Day to be a Mountaineer where ever you may be" Tony Caridi
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
by WVPiratesfan on Mar 7, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Still in the law
but it was struck down by the Georgia Supreme Court in 2003
http://privacy.org/archives/001077.html
"Sick Puppy is ultimately as unforgiving as nature's order... There is no redemption or apology." - wikipedia
Ben in trouble + one of his linemen was there
How typical. Ben’s always in trouble if even one of his linemen is nearby.
Lacking skills
Here we go again. People making excuses for BB. First and formost lets just deal with truth. This is now the second time publicly BB has had issues dealing with women and has some police involvement. As a true Steelers fan, I have to say been is completely sorry as it pertains to being able to suceessfully get busy with a woman wthout getting in trouble. Ben seems to lacking basic interpersonal social skills necessary to get some booty and be out. And lets just face it. Ben is pretty ugly really. But come on you got a 100 million. Buy yourself some skills. Been again has put the Steeler organization in a bad light and some of you will find excuses for his behavior. I think Ben had issues with females and there will be one day he cant hide. Get Dennis Dixion ready. And maybe the Steeler organization may want to reconsider if they want BB to be apart of their future. I just think he’s going to do something else stupid or trigger other players to do stupid things.
As someone with ovaries and an attraction to men
Ben is no where near ugly. He is very cute, most girls I know, steelers fans are not, think he’s very hot. He’s no pretty boy like Tom Brady but he has a rugged look to him that most girls like.
"We have a plan, and our plan, I like our plan'
it's Omar's world, we're just livin in it.
Has anybody thought that...
..maybe he’s being set up. Considering belicheck would go to the lengths of spying, and I’ve heard of other athletes sending hookers and multiple girls to opposing players hotels as a distraction, maybe he was set up when they knew he has a propensity to be aggressive sexually. Ravens? Pats? Frankly, I wouldn’t put it past them since Rothlisberger is really a phenom over his short career.
Maybe this girl just flirted with him, he slapped her on her butt, or tried to reciprocate by trying to kiss her, and then filed a police report and went to the hospital since the previous accuser didn’t go the hospital for a rape kit.
Just sayin’
I thought that maybe the woman is a plant for the case in Nevada...
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
Maybe...
Why the hell is a 20 year old allowed into a club anyway?
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
i guess, since this was a bar/club really really oriented towards the college there, they allowed in under 21’s but put a wrist band on anyone old enough to drink legally. or at least that’s my understanding of the post gazette’s article. cuz they interviewed a fair amount of under 21’s who saw ben that night. and i know i wouldnt be giving the newspaper my real name & age if it involved me admitting i was in a bar illegally.
almost a week....
and counting. Does it take almost a week to determine if there even is a case? He hasn’t been charged, and the alleged victim hires a lawyer (why?). She was with him all evening, in multiple bars. I would guess that if this involved a non-“celebrity” or average joe, he would have been bounced from the bar and forgotten. He may in fact be a douchebag, but you’d really have to be stupid to sexually assault somebody while in the midst of a civil suit for rape.
People have done dumber things, tho…
Innocent until proven guilty.
Don’t forget the “Duke Lacrosse” Scandal. The HC was forced to resign, Duke lost a season, everybody automatically assumed the girl had been raped, and were ready to throw those players’ into jail for good. Oh wait! But it turned out the girl was lying the whole time.
Same thing happened before the Ohio State-Kansas State 2004 Fiesta Bowl, when the Wildcats star QB Ell Roberson was falsely accused of sexual assault a week before the BCS Game, and K-State had to deal with that distraction for an entire week, and Roberson and several other Wildcats were severely punished. Of course K-State loses, and right after the game, the girl admits she made the entire thing up.
Basically, you should believe nothing about these sexual assault cases; until the proof is brought forward.
How refreshing
to have a fan of another team not take cheap shots when an opportunity arises. Is this payback for letting the Chiefs kick our butts last year? If so…. thanks. Appreciate it!
Ben has a whole Steeler Nation hoping you’re absolutely right.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
I have a personal experience with being falsely accused of sexual assault.
My best friend and I almost got labeled as sex offenders in high school a year and half ago. The girl apparently suffered from some paranoia disorder, and took something we did out of context, and considered it as sexual assault. However, the charges were quickly dropped after witness testimony proved the action had nothing to do, nor was it directed towards her.
by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 8, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
duke update
yeah and that girl that lied about the Duke players is on trail for attempted murder now and a slew of other charges.
So much ...
clap trap north of my post. Smartest thing said is “nothing good happens after … .” I heard it as midnight, but whatever. I am not going to tell a 28-year old man what he can do or not do, but I do recommend he talk to some of the professional athletes who have been able to negotiate life without these kinds of distractions.
A lot of the other trash should be “blogged out” as being inane and a drain of fast digit processing.
I can't take another offseason of this crap
Let me know when we start talking about football again.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
for a little irony
did anyone else see that Ben has apparently hired the lawyer who defended R.Lewis for his murder case!!!
and I’m with Chewie – I can’t take much more of this.
"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." Jack Lambert.
i'm sure this has been said but...
why does ben have to sexually assault women? i mean, he’s got rings, money, cars, keyword here being ‘money’ – from what i can tell, rich guys have never had a problem getting laid. chappelle quote: “if guy’s can get laid in a cardboard box, nobody would have a mortgage”
….
something doesn’t add up here
GT
So if Ben is guilty or gets suspended
What is our season going to look like with Batch or Dixon taking snaps?
McNabb? No Thanks....
I love being the most-hated guy here. I love beating them while [their fans] are flicking me off. --Hines Ward
Tough break guys.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
I’m a Browns fan and yes, I do hate the Steelers….however this pisses me off.
I actually believe if this accusation gets made 1 time…it’s that much easier for some other money grabber to make the same claim and make it seem legit.
I don’t buy it. I could be wrong, but it seems like since it’s the 2nd accusation all of a sudden it’s legit.
NOT true.
…like it has been said before, I find it HIGHLY unlikely Ben needs to ‘molest’ women. Again…not to say he didn’t…but this smells like bullshit to me.
by johnnyphoenix on Mar 9, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
He isn't guilty, yet, but I am beginning to think he needs a psychologist
I am a Big Ben fan and I don’t think he is ugly. I haven’t pulled his autographed pic off my Steeler’s wall yet. I haven’t given up on him as our QB.
However, he has got to pull it together and lighten up with the party boy image. Enough is enough. He seems to do great all season and then in the off season he starts with the bike accidents and the accusations from women.
So either we need to make football an all year sport or he needs to get some focus on something in the off season.
by newcastle,pa-gal on Mar 9, 2010 10:35 PM EST reply actions
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