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Post-Combine Mock Draft

Well, the combine is over and most of the premier free-agents have found new homes. Here comes the worst part of the offseason, waiting until the draft. I wish I had more time to go into some later rounds, but for now its just round 1. Hopefully I can do that a bit later. Anyway this will hopefully pass a couple minutes of your time however, and you can see another perspective on how the draft will pan out. Here you go.

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1. St. Louis Rams: Sam Bradford QB, Oklahoma

You can argue with me over this as much as you want. I'm not going to change my mind: the Rams will draft a QB. Everyone knows its a pass-first league and you cant win without a franchise QB. We saw the same argument with the Lions last year, and sure enough they went with the QB. People still argue that games are won in the trenches and Ndamukong is too good to pass on, but that was the Rams' theory the past two years and look where its gotten them. They passed on Matt Ryan and Mark Sanchez and for OL and DL and they're still the worst team in the league. New head coach Steve Spagnuolo will have to bring his own guy in and turn the franchise around. This is almost a toss-up between Bradford and Clausen, but with neither throwing at the combine they'll have to make the decision based off tape and the tape on Bradford is damn good.

 

2. Detroit Lions: Ndamukong Suh DT, Nebraska

No brainer, would you want to try and block a guy named Ndamukong?

 

3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Gerald McCoy DT, Oklahoma

They luck out that the Rams didn't take one of these DTs. Eric Berry is another option, but McCoy and Suh are by far the best prospects. If the Rams play their cards right, the Bucs might want to trade up to #1 to take Suh, which would really help the Rams.

 

4. Washington Redskins: Russell Okung OT, Oklahoma St.

The Skins tendered Jason Campbell so they'll keep him for cheap. At the same time LT Chris Samuels retired. I seem to remember a certain highly-touted QB coming in to start for the Texans a few years back even though their line was terrible. How'd that go? Oh yeah, he's gun-shy in the pocket now and is backing up Eli Manning. Learn from the mistakes of others Washington! Improve your line, THEN go get your QB. They should even still be able to nab Colt McCoy or Dan LeFevour in the second round if they still want a QB. Anyway, Okung is pretty much always considered the best LT prospect, so this is pretty easy for the Skins.

 

5. Chiefs: Brian Bulaga OT, Iowa

While Okung is the best Olineman in this class, its a bit muddled who's the second best. Williams, Bulaga, and Davis are all pretty strong. I like Bulaga a bit better than the rest and should be able to fortify Cassel's blindside for years to come. His arms are a bit short, but he's very good mechanically and should be great. The Chiefs need to give Cassell time in the pocket to get the ball downfield, so a LT is a must here. They can't really go wrong between Williams Bulaga and Davis though.

 

6. Seattle Seahawks: Eric Berry S, Tennessee

Seattle needs help pretty much everywhere, and could easily pick an OT like Williams or Davis to help solidify their line, but that can wait until their second pick. They could look at Jimmy Clausen as an heir to Matt Hasselbeck, but they have other needs and could benefit from taking a Dan Lefevour or Colt McCoy in a later round. Berry is just too good to pass up here. He's considered a top 3 talent and the Hawks are lucky to get him even at 6. New coach Pete Carroll will love this guy.

 

7. Cleveland Browns: Joe Haden CB, Florida

The Browns need secondary help especially with the AFC North starting to go vertical. Holmes, Ochocinco and now Anquan Boldin are top tier WRs and the Browns need someone to keep up with them. Despite Haden's disappointing 40 time at the combine, teams will see that he still plays well against fast receivers. Haden wont slip far.

 

8. Oakland Raiders: Bruce Campbell OT, Maryland

Al Davis loves combine studs, and that is exactly what Campbell is. He isn't as technically sound as Anthony Davis or Trent Williams, but he blew up the combine and that will make Davis salivate. With a 4.85 40 yard dash time Campbell is a physical monster and with Head Coach Tom Cable being an OL guy, they'll hope to harness that physicality into a great LT. Here's to hoping...

 

9. Buffalo Bills: Jimmy Clausen QB, Notre Dame

Trent Edwards was a bust, and the Bills are in serious trouble pretty much everywhere. But finding a franchise QB is a must. Even though their OL is probably worse than the Redskins', they need a QB since they dont have anyone like Jason Campbell who can at least keep the team competitive for cheap money. Plus, on the money note, a QB at #9 is tons cheaper than a QB at #4 (not that Dan Snyder cares).

 

10. Jacksonville Jaguars: Jason Pierre-Paul DE, South Florida

The Jags are the favorites to nab Tim Tebow, but this is way too high for him. Hopefully no one is stupid enough to take him before the mid-second round (even though he should be a 3rd rounder). Having said that, the Jags dont have a second round pick and could try to trade down to get one for Tebow. Still, the Jags need pass rushers and Pierre-Paul is the best in this class. He might be able to make the transition to 3-4 OLB, but he's much better suited for a 4-3 like the Jags run. The Jags might also look at Rolando McClain because they spent two 1st round picks on DEs recently, but those picks didn't pan out and they still need someone to pressure Peyton Manning and Matt Schaub.

 

11. Denver Broncos (from Chicago): Rolando McClain ILB, Alabama

The Broncos will take the BPA on the defensive side of the ball, unless of course Brandon Marshall gets picked up. In which case they might look at Dez Bryant. McClain is a phenomenal ILB and is well suited for the 3-4. He's being compared to Patrick Willis and could fortify what was already a good (albeit inconsistent) defense last year.

 

12. Miami Dolphins: Dez Bryant WR, Oklahoma St.

Bill Parcels rarely goes for a 1st round WR; but with Ted Ginn under preforming and a big need to give Chad Henne some help, Bryant makes the most sense.  I previously had them taking Sergio Kindle at OLB, but signing Karlos Dansby makes that less of a priority. Bryant is drawing comparisons to Andre Johnson, and despite some off-field issues is a great talent who could really open up their pass-game.

 

13. San Francisco 49ers: Anthony Davis OT, Rutgers

The 49ers need a good RT to solidify thier line and Davis is well suited for that. He'll develop into a nice LT but for now can play on the right side and really help their offense. Paving lanes for Frank Gore and giving time for Alex Smith to throw to Vernon Davis and Michael Crabtree, this offense could really take off.

 

14. Seattle Seahawks (from Denver): Charles Brown OT, USC

This is a bit of a sleeper pick, since Brown isn't considered to be one of the top tier OTs, especially not ahead of Trent Williams. But Brown is from USC, and Pete Carroll knows him well. Carroll will likely bring him in and develop him into a great LT and solidify their OL to protect Matt Hasselbeck.

 

15. New York Giants: Derrick Morgan DE, Georgia Tech

After releasing Antonio Pierce, the Giants could be candidates to trade up and get Rolando McClain. And with a bad secondary I would've previously had them taking Earl Thomas, but since they signed Antrel Rolle thats out. With some rumors that Osi Umenyiora might be gone and a lot of trouble with the front 7, the Giants will take Morgan. Morgan is barely a step behind Pierre-Paul and should be a great pass rusher. Like PP, he might be able to make the transition to a 3-4 OLB, but again, he is more suited for the 4-3. He'll add good depth in the DL rotation that the Giants like to have.

 

16. Tennessee Titans: Dan Williams DT, Tennessee

The Titans defense was never the same without Albert Haynesworth, and losing Kyle Vanden Bosch to the Lions means even more trouble. They could be looking at Everson Griffen because of that, but Williams reminds me too much of Haynesworth for me not to put him here. He's massive enough to play 3-4 NT, as is Haynesworth, and agile enough to play 4-3 DT, as is Haynesworth. Williams could really re-fortify their DL.

 

17. San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina): CJ Spiller RB, Clemson

Again the 49ers go offense in the 1st round. I considered them taking Spiller with their first pick but decided OT was a bigger need, and I'm still not sure how I let Spiller fall to them again, but sure enough the 49ers get another big-play guy who is a great complement to Frank Gore. Like I said before, with these pieces in place, this offense could really take off.

 

18. Pittsburgh Steelers: Mike Iupati OL, Idaho

A ton of debate will go into this pick, especially on this site, and even I find myself second guessing this pick especially with Earl Thomas still on the board. Still though, this draft is so deep defensively I think the best strategy is to take a premier guy on offense and bank on still having some quality Defenders in the later rounds. Iupati is the best interior lineman in this draft and is drawing comparisons to Alen Faneca. He has a mean streak and is versatile enough to play anywhere on the OL (except LT). Our biggest problem on the OL is depth, and with Iupati's versatility we could kill two birds with one stone. He'd start right away at RG and would fill up the only weak spot on the line and really help in those short-yard situations. Even still I think we could trade back to collect an extra 3rd round pick, and I'm liking that idea of trading back to get Maurkice Pouncey more and more. Pouncey could play RG for a year also, and could eventually replace Justing Hartwig at C. Either way, locking up Willie Colon long term and drafting a 1st round OL would give us a great OL for years. Earl Thomas is another likely possibility, but again, with how deep this draft is defensively I think we could still get a guy in round 2 that is almost as good. The Steelers are apparently somewhat interested in Sean Weatherspoon, but I'd rather see them take a guy like Jamar Chaney or Sean Lee in the later rounds.

 

19. Atlanta Falcons: Sean Weatherspoon OLB, Missouri

The Falcons got a great pickup with Dunta Robinson from the Texans, but still need help in their front 7. Weatherspoon is an intelligent LB who could play ILB in a 3-4 but will probably be an OLB in the Falcons' 4-3. He could use some coaching since he is sometimes inconsistent in coverage and on the blitz, but will still be a good LB even as a rookie.

 

20. Houston Texans: Earl Thomas S, Texas

After losing Dunta Robinson, they really need help in their secondary. Thomas is a ball hawking safety who many love for his skills in coverage. He's a bit undersized for a safety, and because of that has some trouble tackling bigger receivers like tight ends, but I wouldn't say he's a liability because of that. He's got great speed, and I could see him making a transition to CB. But either way, he'll really help that secondary especially playing Peyton Manning twice a year.

 

21. Cincinnati Bengals: Jermaine Gresham TE, Oklahoma

I think the Bengals are the only place left for TO to go, and because of that I think its only a matter of time before they sign him. That will allow the Bengals to focus on their true need, a pass-catching TE. They really have no one worth speaking of on their roster at the position, and need someone to control the middle of the field. Ochocinco, TO, and Gresham could really open up this pass game.

 

22. New England Patriots: Sergio Kindle OLB, Texas

The Pats resign Tully Banta-Cain and Vince Wilfork, but still need help on everywhere on defense. They need a good OLB to provide some pass rush and also need help in their secondary, but that can wait. Kindle is extremely versatile and because of that Belichick will love him.

 

23. Green Bay Packers: Trent Williams OT, Oklahoma

The Packers really lucked out with Williams dropping to them here. Some mocks have him going as high as the top 10, and he even fills their biggest need. Everyone heard about the problems they had protecting Aaron Rodgers, and Williams could really fortify their OL.

 

24. Philadelphia Eagles: Everson Griffen DE, USC

The Eagles were candidates to pick up Julius Peppers but couldn't outbid the Bears. Because of that they'll target Griffen to help take some pressure off of Trent Cole. Griffen is good enough to be a top 20 or even top 15 pick, but lucky for the Eagles he falls here.

 

25. Baltimore Ravens: Arrelious Benn WR, Illinois

Even though the Ravens just traded for Anquan Boldin, their problems at receiver aren't fixed. Behind Boldin and Mason, they've got nothing. Benn could learn the ropes for a year while playing at the #3 position, then take over for Mason once he retires. The Ravens could also target a CB like Kyle Wilson, but they've already committed to giving Flacco weapons, and they shouldn't stop with Boldin.

 

26. Arizona Cardinals: Brandon Graham OLB, Michigan

The Cardinals lost Karlos Dansby, and all their OLBs are over 30. Graham is being called Lamarr Woodley's clone, and could really develop into a playmaker for the Cards. Some might think the Cards will target a receiver or TE to replace Boldin, but their defensive needs are more important.

 

27. Dallas Cowboys: Maurkice Pouncey C/G, Florida

The Cowboys OL is extremely old and really need to inject some youth. Pouncey is versatile enough to play anywhere on the inside and could really help if someone goes down to injury. They might look at Taylor Mays, but their defense was playing lights-out at the end of the season. Their biggest problem was protecting Romo, as we saw in the playoff game against the Vikings.

 

28. San Diego Chargers: Jahvid Best RB, California

As well as the Chargers were playing at the end of the season, they have quite a few holes. They need someone to replace LT, and just released NT Jamaal Williams. RB is the bigger need though, and with Jahvid Best having a great combine (miraculously running a better official 40 time than CJ Spiller), they'll take him here. He has some injury concerns, which might make the Chargers shy away, but Best has great potential.

 

29. New York Jets: Terrence Cody NT, Alabama

The Jets just got Anotonio Cromartie for cheap, so their need for a #2 corner is solved. They could also use a receiver for Mark Sanchez, especially seeing that Damian Williams is still on the board (he played with Sanchez at USC), but with Kris Jenkins aging and coming off season-ending injury, they'll need a NT to replace him. Cody is massive, probably too massive, which is why he's fallen so far. But his athleticism is astounding for how big he is. And I mean common, you think Rex Ryan will really give him too much grief for being overweight?

 

30. Minnesota Vikings: Brian Price DT, UCLA

The Vikings could use some help in the secondary and on the OL, as was evidenced by their loss to the Saints in the NFC Championship game. But their "Williams Wall" is probably on its last year. They need a replacement for Pat Williams as soon as possible and Price could come into a rotation with them in his rookie year.

 

31. Indianapolis Colts: Jared Odrick DT, Penn St.

The Colts cant afford to ignore their defense forever. If Manning proved anything last year, its that he can make any offense look good. With a couple rag-tag receivers in Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon behind Reggie Wayne, he still won the MVP. The defense on the other hand, really needs help. Odrick could really plug up the inside running lanes and can hopefully take some pressure off of Robert Mathis and Dwight Freeney.

 

32. New Orleans Saints: Taylor Mays S, USC

This pick might come as a bit of a surprise to some, but it makes some sense. Even if Darren Sharper comes back to New Orleans, they need a replacement for him eventually. Learning from Sharper would really help Mays in coverage. We all saw how much Gregg Williams likes to blitz (watch how he manhandled Brett Favre in the Championship game), and if anything Mays is an astounding prospect at safety who should be able to blitz extremely well. He's a physical beast and could bring a new dimension to the Saints D.

 

 

 

Let me know what you think. I had a lot of trouble with our pick, since I was impressed by a lot of guys at the combine. So here's a poll to see what BTSC thinks we should do.

Poll
What do you think would be the best option for the Steelers at 18?
trade up for Rolando McClain
21 votes
Mike Iupati
27 votes
Earl Thomas
25 votes
trade down hoping to still get Iupati, if not, take Maurkice Pouncey
34 votes

107 votes | Poll has closed

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Great Mock

Enjoyed reading. I seem to notice that, whether it is because of the sheer amount of conversation on the topic or not, a loose consensus seems to have formed on BTSC about the pick at 18. After signing Snack, it seems we will stand pat and take whomever is still available out of Iupati, Williams, and Thomas (I assume that neither McClain, Berry, or Haden will fall far enough that we could trade up to get them).

Also curious by how much Sean Weatherspoon seems to be moving up in these drafts. When the rumors began a week ago that we had him for an interview, he was generally considered late 1st, early 2nd round material. Now, either because of the name recogntion or not, he seems to be going much closer to the Steelers pick.

Personally, I love the idea of Pouncey, mainly because I would like a new C/QB combo for the rest of Ben’s career (note to all of those on some other threads, you can also insert Dixon there as well). All in all, good draft. I think we value Iupati over Thomas because the depth is better at S than G, and I would argue the same for Williams. I think Iupati might be the choice of those three though, if only for the reason that three people keep being tagged with the label of “highly impressive young men” after their combine interviews: Iupati, Rolle, and Gilyard.

Troy Pull-a-muscle? :(

by sctx109 on Mar 6, 2010 3:51 PM EST reply actions  

Strongly disagree with this
Behind Boldin and Mason, they’ve got nothing.

Clayton and Stallworth make great #3-4 WR.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 6, 2010 6:49 PM EST reply actions  

Funny enough

I still like our WR corp better

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by John Stephens on Mar 6, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course you do, that is what fans are supposed to do.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 6, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Here is how I see it

Holmes > Bolden
Ward > Mason
Wallace > Stallworth
Sweed < Clayton

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by John Stephens on Mar 6, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

See my comment above yours.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 6, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Vasquez > Scheyer?

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by John Stephens on Mar 6, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Now we talkin.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 6, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

ok clayton stallworth might be a serviceable #3-4

but what about once mason retires? you ok with having clayton and stallworth at #2-3?

by steel.curtain.number2 on Mar 6, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Ravens went WR in the first round if a guy they like is there. We will find a replacement for Mason very soon and it could very well be the 2010 draft. But for for, he is a great WR to have as our #2.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 6, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

The thought of arrelious benn to baltimore would scare me. He has a ton of upside and could be a steal that late. Although I think he is off the board here. I see baltimore plucking defenders in this draft, especially at S.
As for there receiving core you cannot argue that it is not tremendously improved. The name that nobody is mentioning is Demetrius Williams. I am not sure of his contract situation but he is raw and a sick speceimen. I think Mason’s fate was sealed with the Boldin deal and he’s gone or retired. The addition of Stallworth is a huge upgrade as well. The only ? is Clayton…he is below average at best. Needless to say Baltimore has already stepped their receiving game up to this point and let’s not for get about rice catching balls out of the backfield.

by TheCommish on Mar 7, 2010 11:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The WR is lightyears better than it was last year

So I hope that is good for us. Williams had his chances, but never stayed healthy and got beat in right away by Kelly Washington. Clayton is not below average. Everyone just says that because he was a first round pick and was not putting up first round pick numbers. But we have seen him make huge plays (Steelers @ Ravens 2009?) and he is way better than alot of teams 3 and 4 WR.

I just do not get how teams are going to game plan against covering Mason and Boldin then worry about our 3 pro bowl ball carriers in the back field.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 7, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I imagine they will try to make Joey beat them, and the jury is out on how that will work out.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Mar 7, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

MaLoR, do you think Mason is going to re-sign with Baltimore?

by Blount Trauma on Mar 6, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he either re-signs with Baltimore or no one else. I get the sense that he does not really think it is worth it to play somewhere else right now. Why go somewhere for two years and learn a new system all over again when he is very comfortable here with Joe. I would think the Ravens want him back as well.

I say its 70/30 right now he comes back to B-More.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 6, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

can you explain why you think the Ravens have a good WR core, instad of just saying “Clayton and Stallworth make great #3-4 WR.”

by GDEUCE on Mar 6, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Well that is what I think. Clayton is not a #2 in this league he has shown, but he is still capable of putting up some decent numbers, so having him at the 3 or 4 spot is a great move for the Ravens. He enjoys being here and is comfortable in the system. Why not have a guy you drafted in the first round only 5 years ago stay as your 3 or 4? He is still very young. Smart move to me.

As for Stallworth, I think people are wrong for writing him off already. Still somewhat young and is said to be in great shape. He can still fly and I think we will appreciate his talent by using him in some great packages. He didn’t seem to get lazy during his time off like Matt Jones did and is determined to prove alot of people wrong. I like that about him.

I would take Clayton and Stallworth over alot of teams #3 and 4 guys any day.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 6, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

wow, i didnt know the Ravens wasted a first round pick on Clayton, hes a bust. I think they expected him to be a little better than a #3 reciever at this point in his career. As for Stallworth, hes been out of football for a year, for manslaughter , and when he was playing, he went from the saints, to the eagles, to the patriots, and then to the browns. So what does that tell you about his talent?

by GDEUCE on Mar 7, 2010 3:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we are good to go. Stallowrth has averaged around 45 catches for 700 yards and 5 TD’s over his career. I would love for him to do that as our #3. He has talent, just not #1 talent.

Clayton has had some big games, so that is your opinion about him.

The Ravens WR is lightyears past what they were last year. And if you do not think so, I do not know what to tell you.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 7, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

The Ravens WR is lightyears past what they were last year. And if you do not think so, I do not know what to tell you.

Indeed. Undeniably solid pickup, great corps of WR now for the type of team Baltimore is.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Mar 7, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

no doubt!

Now with BB facing more legal problems, could be a long tough year for the boys..If BB gets indited, he could and probably get suspended…DD will get into the fray early…Hope this is all nonsense and it is all cleared up ASAP! I am not too optiumistic though..Look at the Duke Lacross case…Proof that the boys were innocent, but an overzealous ADA will pursue “justice” in the name of political correctness..I don’t think this will turn out well for BB, eventhough I think he is innocent!

by nycsteelerfan on Mar 8, 2010 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

i agree that your much better than last year

i still think you need to get a 1st round guy this year. especially arrelious benn. he’s the 2nd best WR in this class and you usually cant get that type of player at #25. its not like boldin is that young (he’s 30 right now i think) and mason has probably one good year left in him. you need to think about the future and bringing in someone who can gel with flacco for the rest of their careers (peyton-harrison, montana-rice, soon to be roethlisberger-holmes type thing)

by steel.curtain.number2 on Mar 7, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

GOOD MOCK

Especially the top 10. I had argued befire that one of the NT’s will definitely go first on Jay’s mock, but after listening to a lot of analysis during combine, I’m on board with Rams taking a QB #!. And I agree it will be Bradford, not Clausen. Besides, Rams have enough high draft picks on DL already.

All the picks ahead of the Steelers looks pretty solid and I like how you got at least one surprise in there with Charles Brown. Something wierd like that will happen, and that’s as good as guess as any. OT’s always get taken higher than thought.

Biggest beef though is Trent Williams falling to No. 23. He was pretty high before the combine, and he ran a sub 5 forty and looked pretty good throughout. If he’s there at #18, Steelers would have to strongly consider taking him. Yeah they got 2 starters at OT already, but OT’s like Williams, you cant pass up. Also dont see C Brown going higher than him.

I think there’s a decent chance that Iupati is still there at #18. If so, Steelers take him with Thomas still on the board. He will be an excellent guard, but his real value will be if you can bump him to RT, and even possibly LT. Go for safety in the 2nd, there will be plenty of depth there to get a damn good player (Allen/Burnett).

Trading down is always risky. But in THIS draft it may be lesser. Steelers could trade down to say #26 with our buddies in Arizona and see who’s avaiable between Iupati, Pouncey, Odrick, or Weatherspoon.

LOTS of options this year.

by SteelerMessican on Mar 7, 2010 7:55 AM EST reply actions  

thanks for the good feedback

i agree 100% that trent williams probably wont fall to 23, in all likelihood if he falls past us at 18, someone will trade up for him. (cowboys and even vikings if theyre desperate)

and yea that was my thought when putting charles brown in there, he’s probably a late 1st round at best, but someone like that always seems to jump up for one reason or another. his connection to pete carroll is as good a reason as any.

also i really like the idea of trading to arizona. they just got rid of boldin for some of baltimore’s picks, so they have a couple extra mid-rounders that could be for sale. according to the draft chart, giving them our 1st (900pts) would be about equal to their 1st (700points) and baltimore’s 3rd and 4th which they got for boldin (145 and 52 points respectively)

by steel.curtain.number2 on Mar 7, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Getting extra 3rd and 4th picks would be SWEEEET

In THIS draft. Those will be real quality players and most likely will be starters. If we can pull it off and get Pouncey, I’m cool with it.

by SteelerMessican on Mar 7, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I remain pretty skeptical of comps after last year.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Mar 7, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

extra picks are from trading down

Not the comps. On that, we’ll probably get a 5th and 6th, like a lot of people are speculating.

by SteelerMessican on Mar 7, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

i think we should get a 4th and 5th, maybe 4th and 6th.

no one knows exactly how they come up with the comp picks, but we do know the biggest factor is how big of a contract the player signed with another team. mcfadden got the largest contract for a corner last year and washington was the 2nd biggest for a receiver behind TJ housh.

by steel.curtain.number2 on Mar 7, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I expect those comp. picks to come in handy somewhere down the road

Whether it’s trading up this year for players that we want, or getting ourselves in position next year to draft eventual replacements. This year we should concentrate on FS, CB, and OLB (every position has a player with contract issues). Next year the focus might be on NT, LB, and WR.

by StoneColdSteel on Mar 7, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Jacksonville re-signed their DE, so does that strengthen the idea that we can trade for their 10th pick so they can have an extra 3rd pick and still grab The Chosen One in the 2nd round?

by StinkBomb on Mar 7, 2010 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

very possible

getting aaron kampman probably means they can wait for the DE, i think they might look at Rolando McClain before they consider trading down but youre right it does make it a little more interesting

by steel.curtain.number2 on Mar 7, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

good forcast

I like that you have Bulaga at 5. There is no way he slips past 10. He is 20 and maybe the best OL in the draft. He Orange Bowl game tape is scary good. We had another mock on here that had him going at pick 23…thats just assinine.
As for the Steelers…i believe that you are dead on with your analysis although I disagree with your pick. Iupati just dosnt do it for me. he’s playing less talent at Idaho for starters. Senior Bowl is a great litmus test for a guy like him. Mike Mayock said he likes him but he holds was to much, and he needs to develop more. I know it was just one play, but I cannot get over the play when the GA dt slapped him aside and tossed him like a rag doll. That kind of stuff should never ever happen to a top 20 pick at any point of his career. That play was so bad that I will not get over it. I like both Pounceys out of UF as you mention, why not grab the center. We’ve passed on Mangold, the guy in Carolina, and last years crop.. In this draft I believe if we don’t trade up to 10 to get McClain(may be already gone) we will be looking for shoppers at 18, although that is a tough pick to trade. If we can move back couple spots and take OL or ILB I’m fine, most notably Pouncey or Spoon.
As for Tim Tebow aka the fooball Jesus. Let me start by saying I live in FL and hate the gators, big ten guy! Why is he getting dogged on so bad and why isn’t he being considered a late round 1 or early rnd 2 prospect. He has literally every measurable you look for in a pro athlete. First there is the game tape. Tough to ignore the fact that he was he most dominate college player over the past 3 years regardless of his offense or throwing motion. Second we have his combine numbers. He was a top 5 performer in every category and the top performer in over half of the activities for qbs. There were only 5-7 players in the entire draft that performed better in the 3 cone, 20 yrd shuttle, and 60 yrd shuttle, and he tied he all time record for qb vert. I am not sure how that translates.

by TheCommish on Mar 7, 2010 11:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

cont'd

If we are going to pump up combine studs each year we certainly need to pump up TT’s performance. Third his work ethic. He was told he needs to improve his throwing motion so he goes out and hires a coach and has been working on his motion every single day. Every single day! How many others would do this? He actually invests himself in improving. He is already a step up on J Russell. The last bit of info comes from the senior bowl where he battled strep all week long. He struggled in practice. He mad two bad throws in the game. The rest of his throws were on there mark. He also ran a linebacker over. I am sorry to say but teams that pass on him late 1st and early second will regret!

by TheCommish on Mar 7, 2010 12:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

tebow has everything you want in a QB

except the arm. drive, leadership, work ethic, competitiveness, he’s got it all. which is why some team is going to take a chance on him in the second round. the problem is that you cant just erase a throwing motion you’ve had for a lifetime. if it were that easy byron leftwich would be a starting QB. its easy for him to show a good motion in practice and at his pro day, but what happens when a linebacker is breathing down his neck on a blitz and he needs to get rid of the ball? he’s going to panic and he’ll revert back to his old motion. the other issue is that when he does panic, his instinct is to run, not throw the ball. if you watch ben, when he gets flushed out of the pocket, he’s not looking to run, he’s looking to buy time so he can make the throw downfield. when tebow gets flushed out of the pocket his instinct is to run for 5 yards, not throw downfield to a receiver who’s gotten open for 20 yards. tebow might be able to play in the nfl, but it will take years for him to develop and most teams dont have the time or resources to pay a second round pick to sit for 3 years

by steel.curtain.number2 on Mar 7, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

what happens when a linebacker is breathing down his neck on a blitz and he needs to get rid of the ball?

he’s going to panic and he’ll revert back to his old motion

That is a pretty aggressive assumption. Does anybody really know. The fact that is addressing the issue is all I want to know. He is a way better athlete than Leftwhich ever was so I do not think he is a good comparison. Did Leftwhich ever attempt to change his motion in the off season?

by TheCommish on Mar 7, 2010 1:57 PM EST reply actions  

The Ravens just got Boldin

and you still want us to upgrade the run even when it has never worked against that D, instead of what killed us last year.

I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.

by Steel in FL on Mar 7, 2010 2:26 PM EST reply actions  

the run was pretty good against them in the first match up

by GDEUCE on Mar 7, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Sort of

He had some decent yards, but none of his runs were game breakers. I’ll take 90 yards allowed with a bunch of 3,4,5 yard runs rather than 90 yards with one big 40 yard run, which Mendenfall couldn’t do.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 7, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll take almost beating you with our 3rd string quarterback and running for 90 yards with little credible threat of throwing deep too.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Mar 7, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see the Steelers drafting on OL in the 1st

This is what I think the FO and Tomlin think:
Chris K can become a mauler this yr at the run, Starks is solid at LT, Colon is on the verg of being a very good RT, Hartwig is servicable, Essex can handle 3 positions as backup and Urbik or Foster will take over at RG and start for yrs to come. I think this is what they think. I’m not so sure but do beleive they will get better with the new OL coach and with Mendy getting 24 carries a game. I see them going defense (best available) and POuncey in the 2nd to be groomed to take over hartwigs role in 2011.

by MEP12 on Mar 7, 2010 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

Pouncey

unlikely to be there when we pick in the second. He’s a fringe first rounder

by mojo88 on Mar 7, 2010 6:03 PM EST reply actions  

i think they trade up in the 2nd

if not don’t think he’s worth the 18th pick so maybe they trade down and grab Pouncey and a safety in the late first and mid 2nd

by MEP12 on Mar 7, 2010 8:11 PM EST reply actions  

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