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Exactly what does "grow up" mean?


I keep hearing and reading about how Ben is immature, needs to grow up, is completely irresponsible, needs to make better decisions, etc, etc.  That was my knee jerk reaction to all this as well, but now I'm beginning to think it's an unfair assessment.  This is no BB a$$ kissing or Steelers-can-do-no-wrong type bull.  I'm being very objective when I say it's unfair to paint him in this way.  If it turns out he did do something wrong, then all bets are off here (and he would then deserve all the criticism in the world), but for the time being, let's assume it was your everyday hookup.  Here me out.

Star-divide

How many of you guys out there (even if you aren't single, imagine you are) have put yourselves in his shoes.  Better yet, how many of you have actually been in a similar situation at some point in your life?  You and some buddies meet up with a few girls (before the night begins or just meeting new people), go bar hopping, get a little tipsy (or more) and things just start happening.  You start noticing more looks your way, more attention.  In a crowded room you notice she's not avoiding physical contact, maybe she starts touching you during conversation - an innocent tap or even a brush.  She's laughing at things you know aren't that funny.  Then suddenly you feel her holding onto your hand or arm a little....you know what I'm taking about...just discrete enough for only the two of you to realize.  Then with all the music going, the dancing starts wherever you're standing or even out on the floor.  At this point (if you haven't already figured it out), she's into you.

Insert disclaimer - it is not my intention to objectify women.  I hope no one takes any offense to how I'm laying this out.  I respect women as equals and believe they should be treated as such.  Nothing is ever assumed during a night out like this.  There comes a point when you know what you're doing may or may not be well received.  A line gets crossed, welcomed or not, and it becomes obvious what direction should be taken from that point.  I'll restate, if Ben crossed that line unwelcomed, he deserves everything coming his way.

So now you're dancing with this girl and the touching and holding are taken to a whole new level.  Now it's obvious.  Now you're essentially attached at the hip.  And with all that going on, what comes next?  A baby in a baby carriage...just kidding.  Kissing is next!

I don't need to go any further.  It just sounds to me like Ben went out with his buddies and hooked up with a girl.  Why is that such a big deal?  Where does growing up come into play?  Why is he held to such a higher standard?  That type of stuff happens every night in every single bar and club across the world.  Also, who cares where it happened?  I'm sure people wouldn't appreciate it happening right at the bar in front of everyone, so it was in a more discrete location, albeit not the cleanest.

You know why it's a big deal?  Because we are all making it out to be.  Oh my God, Ben Roethlisberger went out to a club and hooked up!?!  What an idiot!  How dare a single guy do such a thing!  Why do people latch on to stuff like this and start lynching the "guilty" party??  Is it because we wish we were that person?  Is it because on some level we are all still little high schoolers wishing we were the star QB, jealous he gets all the attention, and love the fact he's been knocked down a peg and seems human like the rest of us?

If it wasn't that joke of a column TMZ that broke this, it would have been someone else.  I said this in a comment before, but it's worth saying again.  Since when did we stop laughing at "inquiring minds" and start treating it like gospel?  It's pathetic.  Maybe we are the ones that need to grow up?

Something obviously happened here.  Either Ben f'd up or this girl wants a payday.  When I say f'd up, I mean he sexually abused a woman, not that he hooked up.  There is nothing wrong with hooking up, whether you make 100 million dollars or 1000 dollars.  It's what humans do.

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The Growing up part I believe is about the leadership responsibilities inherent in the QB position, and Ben creating distractions and hassles for his teammates through these situations.

I agree with you, but Ben also needs to understand the consequences of going out to clubs to hook up when you are a celebrity. If you want to hook up there are much better places for a rich man to find willing partners.

by Phantaskippy on Mar 8, 2010 12:13 PM EST reply actions  

Unfortunately you're right

The only place he can go now is Playboy magazine.

Bad Andy, Good Pizza.

by count'em_six on Mar 8, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

definitely meant the mag

Although the mansion might work. Hugh looks out for his boys…

Bad Andy, Good Pizza.

by count'em_six on Mar 8, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

chappelle show

anyone ever see the skit on the chapelle show advertising the sexual intercourse disclaimer? Ben needs to carry those in his back pocket.

“hold on, I need you to sign here, here, and here”

“please mark this box if you refuse the right to….”

by TheCommish on Mar 8, 2010 12:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

LOL

missed that. Although Kudos to me…I beat Johnny_S to reply on a post

by TheCommish on Mar 8, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

And finally keep his mouth quiet about it

Commish, do you have some odd fascination with me?

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by Johnny_S on Mar 8, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

dude

you just made me look like a fool in my office….i nearly did it to myself…lol

Bad Andy, Good Pizza.

by count'em_six on Mar 8, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

ROFL!!!

Seriously, I’m still laughing.

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by SteelFever on Mar 8, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

How about

a Chapelle Show top 10 list for a post?

Bad Andy, Good Pizza.

by count'em_six on Mar 8, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Feel free!

Although, I haven’t seen anything from that show since it went off the air, so I’ll be rusty.

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by SteelFever on Mar 8, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

And its a REALLY funny bit

especially when they get to the “decline An*l” part

by Twell on Mar 8, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

R. Kelly

spoof was hilarious too

Bad Andy, Good Pizza.

by count'em_six on Mar 8, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

How you gonna make a video about pissin on a girl?

N***a, how YOU gonna make a video about pissin on a girl?!

LOVED that bit! LOL

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by SteelFever on Mar 8, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know about that

But I do know that I plead the fizith.

FIFTH!!!!!!!

by StoneColdSteel on Mar 8, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

love that show

Wish it lasted longer.

Bad Andy, Good Pizza.

by count'em_six on Mar 8, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Those are actually real and many celebs use them. He should be smart enough to…

by gimpsta7 on Mar 8, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

I think it is fine to go out with girls or meet girls at the bar/club. A little bit of physical contact or possibly kissing is fine. However, if it is going to go any further than that (including making out) please do us all a favor and get a room. That applies for people who are not even sports stars. I think it is gross to do more than that in public. That is what I mean by grow up. If he had done that here, I doubt the woman (IF she were lying, just hypothetical) would have a case at all. In that situation you could insinuate consent because she left the bar with him and went up to a room. However, if you fool around in the club you are opening yourself to a whole bunch of trouble.

Fooling around in clubs or bars is something college students do, not professional athletes.

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by Johnny_S on Mar 8, 2010 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

Making out

happens all the time. Although I’m with you, I’d rather it not be in my face.

More than college students fool around in clubs. It’s something all walks of life partake in…so to speak. I do believe there are certain decisions that BB could make to help prevent these types of situations, but I don’t hate the playa for doing what he did – if it were only a hookup.

Bad Andy, Good Pizza.

by count'em_six on Mar 8, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

True

I was just thinking “a little discretion goes a long way”

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by Johnny_S on Mar 8, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree
The Growing up part I believe is about the leadership responsibilities inherent in the QB position, and Ben creating distractions and hassles for his teammates through these situations.

What I would also say is, anyone with net worth is a target for people trying to work a situation, as other commentors have noted on other posts.

Lets wait and see what happens.

by Twell on Mar 8, 2010 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

He is accused of sexual assault, not just going to a club or dancing with girls. If a common man is accused of a sexual assault then I would say “Grow up” even to him.

"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
- Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).

by Han on Mar 8, 2010 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

As I said

If that’s what he did, then he deserves everything coming to him. I don’t just believe that because he was accused of it. My point is that lots of people are getting on him (who think he is innocent) for just hooking up.

Bad Andy, Good Pizza.

by count'em_six on Mar 8, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Now you see why (part of the reason) I don't drink

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Mar 8, 2010 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

I had trouble in the bushes

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Mar 8, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

People forget that getting loaded isn't a "right"

it’s a privilege

…and as soon as you have trouble because of it you’d be smart to steer clear of it.

Especially if you have 100 miiiilllliiiiooonnnnn dollars!!!

by tobiathan on Mar 8, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Learned my lesson too

The problem is, alcohol changes the way a brain “thinks”. Pre-alcohol, one thinks using reason first, and emotion second, and reason will outweigh emotion.
Alcohol changes the thought process, and emotion and reason switch their order, so one thinks emotionally first, and emotion will outweigh reason.
I believe we can all agree that we do make better decisions, when we are sober. Maybe not as fun, but better long term.

To try and fail may be unacceptable, but failing to try, is accepting failure.

by alfresco on Mar 8, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I have

plenty of fun without alcohol

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Mar 8, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

But imagine how much more fun it woulda been drunk!

Haha, just kidding around

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by Johnny_S on Mar 8, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

We need a BTSC tailgate. Beers for all, water and soda for Arn. Possible wheel chairs or stretchers for count’em and chewie.

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by Johnny_S on Mar 8, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

bwahahahaha

But for real we need to do that.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Mar 8, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

Wait…does that mean I’m gonna drink myself to the hospital or does it mean I’m gonna get a beat down or something?

Bad Andy, Good Pizza.

by count'em_six on Mar 8, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

The possibilities

are endless.

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by momma rollett on Mar 8, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Its a blank piece of paper

You get to write the story yourself

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by Johnny_S on Mar 8, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

The wheel chair mobilizes the keg and the stretcher is for gathering strength for a 2nd wind

Bad Andy, Good Pizza.

by count'em_six on Mar 8, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

AKA: A booze snooze

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by SteelFever on Mar 8, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Took several of them tailgating Eagles games…especially playoff games that didn’t start until 8pm. We were at the park by 8am…no matter the game time.

Bad Andy, Good Pizza.

by count'em_six on Mar 8, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a Gang Green song "Alcohol"

“I’d rather drink, than f*ck!”

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by SteelFever on Mar 8, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Watch the video here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD3NzqKzfK4

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by SteelFever on Mar 8, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

i'll check it from home

Can’t get to youtube from work

Bad Andy, Good Pizza.

by count'em_six on Mar 8, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Old skool punk

Not the crap they have nowadays…

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by SteelFever on Mar 8, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Count me in!

Especially if MaLoR’s there! LOL

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by SteelFever on Mar 8, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Malor can be

The guy who pumps the keg the whole time, but we don’t give him a cup.

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by Johnny_S on Mar 8, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

And bandwagon jumping

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by SteelFever on Mar 8, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

That's kinda harsh, man

Give him Jagerbombs, and then dickface him when he passes out at 10:30

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by SteelFever on Mar 8, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm kinda on a roll today....

Are all your co-workers looking at you like you lost your mind?

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by SteelFever on Mar 8, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Malor plays the "bag pipe"

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Mar 8, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah, he's more of a wind instrument kind of guy

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by SteelFever on Mar 8, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by Johnny_S on Mar 8, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Classic

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by SteelFever on Mar 8, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Was more of a fart joke, really...

Does anyone here read “Get Fuzzy”?

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by SteelFever on Mar 8, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

that right there sums up what happens around here

even when talking about serious matters we still find time for something funny

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by WVPiratesfan on Mar 8, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

We're trying to go to a game

this year, trying to figure out which one.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Mar 8, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Little late to the party

I was trying to avoid this stupid post, but count me in. And yes, a stretcher will most certainly be required.

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Mar 8, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

a little late to the party

that’s how I normally refer to you

Bad Andy, Good Pizza.

by count'em_six on Mar 8, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure thing

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Mar 8, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Mar 8, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

we think its ok to ‘hook up’. It is my opinion that its not. We like to say its ok but don’t accept the consequences that comes from it. ‘Hooking up’ can be construed into sexual assault if you want it to be. All the woman has to say is that at some point she said stop and that command was not adhered to. Which can lead to a lot of issues. This is another example of a moral issue we don’t like because we as men want to do whatever we want, but there is a reason behind every moral whether we’d like to admit it or not. If he wasn’t trying to ‘hook up’ with a girl he would have never had any of these problems. Just my opinion.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Mar 8, 2010 1:11 PM EST reply actions  

I see what you're saying

But women sure as hell want to do whatever they want. Can I get an amen!?

Maybe I didn’t stress the mutual aspect enough…but I think it’s understood based on some of my other comments.

True, a certain amount of B.S. comes along with the lifestyle he maintains. Take away the lifestyle, you take away the problems. I personally have no problem with it as long as consenting adults are involved. Therein lies the riddle I guess…

Bad Andy, Good Pizza.

by count'em_six on Mar 8, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

we weren’t talking about the morals of females, there are still reasons behind the morals of honestly and integrity. I feel there is a standard set that we all should abide by. But two consenting adults means none of my business.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Mar 8, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

What growing up means

Ben Roethlisberger is 28 years old, about to enter his 7th season in the NFL, has a $100 million contract and is the face of a billion dollar organization. He’s not 21 or 22 years old. He’s not a rookie in the NFL. He’s not Patrick Bailey or Dennis Dixon.

Growing up means not going out to dingy college bars at 2 AM in the morning and partying with chicks that aren’t old enough to legally drink. Ben R. is not some young kid anymore, he’s a grown man. By now he should have left the world of adolescence and moved on. Clearly he hasn’t.

by catesinator on Mar 8, 2010 1:50 PM EST reply actions  

Sexual congress

That’s redundant. Everytime they meet we get screwed.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Mar 8, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+69

Bad Andy, Good Pizza.

by count'em_six on Mar 8, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by momma rollett on Mar 8, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

This is best illustrated by the fact that fashions for even pre-pubescent girls make them look like hookers

This is better known as the Miley Cyrus rule.

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by Johnny_S on Mar 8, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

includes truck w/pole on the top for dancing

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Mar 8, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Very well spoken mamma

I thought I was reading the discovery channel’s account of humans.

Bad Andy, Good Pizza.

by count'em_six on Mar 8, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I was trying to stay

within the PG13 rating…

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by momma rollett on Mar 8, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice writeup

You touched on some social undertones that certainly exist, but aren’t popular topics.

Maybe the solution is for Ben to find him a nice cougar dominatrix. She’ll keep him straight.

Bad Andy, Good Pizza.

by count'em_six on Mar 8, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I hear cougars aren't exactly gentle with humans...

OH! Cougars cougars…Courtney Cox style…

XD

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by SteelFever on Mar 8, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

They're bossy

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Mar 8, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

And you would know this

how?

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by momma rollett on Mar 8, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Uhhhhhhh

I heard it somewhere. I also heard they are very engaging.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Mar 8, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Good save

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by momma rollett on Mar 8, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Because I never kiss and tell

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Mar 8, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean if I was ever a hunter of cats

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Mar 8, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Bossy?

The first girls to get on the Track?

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by SteelFever on Mar 8, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

The ones that switch up the beat on the drums.

by StoneColdSteel on Mar 8, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

We have a winner!

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by SteelFever on Mar 8, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Well Said

rec’d. Especially Liked the line;

or the man who, because of his fame and wealth, is a target for those who would like to redistribute that wealth a bit.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Mar 8, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Bravo.

Very well stated Momma. You madam, are pretty smart, for a girl. LOL. Just kidding. No lawsuits please.

"Whaddya' mean all the beer is gone..?

by OhioYinzer on Mar 9, 2010 3:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

I think… : )

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by momma rollett on Mar 9, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm probably just echoing sentiments above...
It just sounds to me like Ben went out with his buddies and hooked up with a girl. Why is that such a big deal? Where does growing up come into play? Why is he held to such a higher standard?

-it’s not a big deal that he was out til 2 AM at bars, it was his birthday & it’s the offseason. he can have his fun. it’s not a big deal he may have hook-up with a girl.

it is a big deal that he (according the the leaked details of the story) went into the bathroom after this girl & that’s where this happened. 1) he probably didnt know her for too terribly long & they probably weren’t in a relationship (not that i’m saying you have to be to “hook-up” with someone). just that he doesnt know her & (assuming he’s innocent) doesnt know if she’s just looking for fame & fortune…exactly like the mcnulty situation. 2) he followed this girl into a potentially private location where ppl dont normally “hook-up.” if he had invited her back to his house at 2 am, it would be implied where things are going. even if she was sending out signals that she wanted to hookup with him all night, it’s easy for her to argue she didnt want anything to happen in a bar bathroom or at all. now she can claim she would have declined, if asked, to go to ben’s house/decline to hookup ben whether she actually did consent to things that may have occurred in the bathroom.

those are the 2 biggest mistakes he could make into putting him in a situation where (assuming he’s innocent) some random girl could press uncalled for charges looking for fame or fortune. he didnt learn from the mcnulty situation.

i expect more from him because 1) he’s a team leader. we pride ourselves that our organization isnt like some others where the most talented players are too busy being clowns to focus on the team. having your team MVP being accused/sued for sexual assault twice in a year has an effect in the locker room. 2) 2 years ago he signed a $102 million contract with $33 million of that guaranteed, which showed a lot of trust from the steelers to give him that. plus, a lot of that money came from tickets or jerseys your or I bought. it’s very immature & uncaring towards the steelers organization & fans for him to continue to put himself in risky situations that may affect if he’s able to continue playing football when he’s already had one undesirable outcome.

by t1mmy10 on Mar 8, 2010 3:17 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not trying to blindly take Ben's side, but

I have followed a girl I didn’t know, but just met into the ladies room and it was consentual. We didn’t just talk about the plumbing either. While it’s not everyday that people hook up in a restroom…it happens.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Mar 8, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I know what you are saying...just thought I'd add that

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Mar 8, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

lol i'm not implying that that's off limits

but were in college when it happened? had you being accused of sexual assault in the past year? do women know you’re a major pro athlete making millions of dollars & can sue you?

just a couple of thoughts. i’m not saying that doing anything in any bathroom is wrong, but since he knows he can be a target he sometimes has to operate on different rules than most.

by t1mmy10 on Mar 8, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

geeze

’were you in college"

by t1mmy10 on Mar 8, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

You are sooooo right

The guy can have his fun but he or the people around him should have enough common sense to keep his partying on the down low. He’s too old and too rich to go bar hopping for college aged chicks.

"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Tony Montana- Scarface

by MDGeekyGrl on Mar 8, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

You may be right, but shooting fish in a barrel is pretty tempting

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Mar 9, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I heard/read that the girl in question was with his party when he arrived at the club/bar

Seems a bit dodgy to me…

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by SteelFever on Mar 8, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s a big issue legally. If she went to the club with him and entered the bathroom willingly with him she won’t win in court.

by Phantaskippy on Mar 8, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Criminal or civil?

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Mar 8, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

For criminal she’ll need some good witnesses, a public Bathroom you can make enough noise to get attention, someone would have heard something.

For civil I believe she’d need to convince that she didn’t go into the bathroom with Ben intentionally. That is where (not knowing any real details that might lead otherwise) I would focus the case as the defense.

Loud music, Alcohol, you go into the bathroom together, why? If the defense can get to that question they win.

by Phantaskippy on Mar 8, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

From a female point of view

And this is so not politically correct, but what kind of girl decides to do it in a public bathroom?
I am not letting him off the hook here, for any lack of consensual behavior, but, give me a break.

by newcastle,pa-gal on Mar 10, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know about you but when I was 20 all of my inhibitions flew out of the window after 3 shots of tequila

Not saying it wasn’t a stupid thing for her to do but she’s pretty young and she has a lot to learn

"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Tony Montana- Scarface

by MDGeekyGrl on Mar 10, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

SO you're saying

the bathroom was not offlimits. naughty naughty

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Mar 11, 2010 6:52 AM EST up reply actions  

regardless if it stands up in court or not, by this girl accusing him (she may or may not be telling the truth) has done a lot of damage to ben’s reputation. as for the how they went in the bathroom, obviously if she pulled him in by the hand after her that’s totally different. but that probably didnt happen since she went to the police soon after & then went to the hospital. she’s doing far less suspiciously things than mcnulty did.

who knows. maybe she winked at ben as she went to go to the bathroom after flirting with him all night. maybe all she intended to do was go to the bathroom & ben misinterpreted the signal. obviously thats conjecture, but ben wouldnt have to worry about properly reading signals if he wasnt trying to get down in a bar bathroom. and for someone who’s been accused in the past, he might want to take as little interpretation out as possible for the near furture.

by t1mmy10 on Mar 8, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Tweets from Schefter:
Art Rooney 2: “All of us in the Steelers family are concerned about the recent incident involving Ben in Georgia…We cannot comment on any of the specifics until law enforcement’s investigation is concluded”

"When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want them to bury me upside down, so that my critics can kiss my a**!"
-Bobby Knight

by Johnny_S on Mar 8, 2010 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

growing up means

you can take shots and not puke everywhere

by klompus on Mar 8, 2010 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah right lol

I wish Ben could find a nice wholesome girl and indulge her with a night in the back of a TGI Fridays parking lot.

by StoneColdSteel on Mar 8, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish Ben would join the Opal Ring Brigade...

Or is it Crusade?

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by SteelFever on Mar 8, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Sadly,

I suspect that Ben doesn’t want a nice wholesome girlfriend. He surely could have had any number of them. He isn’t the best-looking QB in the NFL (I think that honor goes to Mark Sanchez at the moment) but he’s certainly acceptable in the looks department. If that was what he wanted he wouldn’t be looking for her in a bar. I don’t mean to imply that nice wholesome girls never go to bars, but I do mean to imply that the sort of women that are there looking to be picked up do not meet my definition of wholesome, although they may be ‘nice.’

"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin

by momma rollett on Mar 8, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with that

the problem it hard to meet nice wholesome girls. The nice ones are working with the rest of us.

by steeler_in_maryland on Mar 8, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice wholesome girls are boring!

I got me a freak, and she’s only a little boring at times.

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by SteelFever on Mar 8, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Im sad

Nobody caught the South Park reference

by StoneColdSteel on Mar 8, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I caught it

Opal Ring Crusade…Kenny’s GF turns him into a drone…

"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods

by SteelFever on Mar 11, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Watched The News Conference From GA.

CNN showed the News Conference…twice in a row and has guests commenting on Ben and the incident.

  • Ben’s lawyer is cooperating
  • The Police plan to interview Ben and all those that were in his party again over the next 3 days
  • No charges have been filed as of yet.
  • No one in the GA. criminal investigation can pronounce Ben Roethlisberger’s last name.
    Also per CNN;
  • The fact that she went directly to the hospital & authorities adds credibility to her story and her case.
  • Ben has been charged with sexual misconduct before

FOX is covering the healthcare debate, the Massa mess and stocks and has not reported on the Ben Roethlisberger case as of yet.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Mar 8, 2010 4:28 PM EST reply actions  

The fact that she went directly to the hospital & authorities adds credibility to her story and her case.

Always the best thing a girl can do. Always.

by Phantaskippy on Mar 8, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it political correctness

that prevents anyone from questioning why a 20y.o. girl would be in a bar and need to be calling the cops at 2AM?

Back in the “olden days” that would bring up a few questions all on it’s own…

I’m waiting to see if she was at all intoxicated, because she WAS underage, after all. Of course, that could be a whole other issue for “Big Stupid”. And- I’m liking the moniker “Big Stupid” more and more; after all- “Catch me once, shame on you; catch me twice, shame on me”….

PS/FYI- Don’t bother berating me for a lack of political correctness- it won’t change my mind one bit.

by tobiathan on Mar 8, 2010 5:51 PM EST reply actions  

back in the olden days

people liked it when they got laid

by klompus on Mar 8, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Truly.

And nobody really liked to consider themselves “the victim”, because there used to be this thing called “responsibility for one’s own decisions”.

But, alas: those days seem dead and gone now…

by tobiathan on Mar 9, 2010 6:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m lovin’ my nickname catching on!
:)

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Mar 8, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Hooking up

Hey, as a woman, I will say this. I am sure not every female will agree with me.
  If you are the type who wants a one-night thing, then that’s what you should expect. Reality is if you “hook up” with a guy in a bar, you should realize it probably won’t to be a long term relationship-no matter what crazy stuff is coming out of the guy’s mouth at the time. Alcohol and testosterone are powerful things.
However, as a woman you have to set boundaries and most men in a bar are going to test them. If you say, “no” and all you want to do is go out with your girlfriends for a night of dancing then that should be it. A man has to respect that, whether he is a celebrity or not.
As far as growing up, I think at 28, perhaps staying out of the college bar scene would be appropriate.
I really don’t care if Ben wants to “play the field”, but he needs to stay within the confines of mutual consent. I honestly would rather him not commit to someone if he is only going to cheat on her and what he does with his love life is his business.

by newcastle,pa-gal on Mar 10, 2010 7:22 PM EST reply actions  


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