PFT: Holmes in Violation of Substance Abuse Policy
by Neal Coolong on Apr 10, 2010 12:26 PM EDT
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PrintAnd the off-season hits on the Steelers keep on coming.
Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk is reporting, "multiple sources have advised us that receiver Santonio Holmes is facing a four-game suspension under the league's substance-abuse policy."
While it's unclear right now what exactly triggered his alleged violation, Holmes was arrested for marijuana possession in 2008, and the policy states that three failed tests or missed tests results in an automatic four-game suspension.
ESPN reported Saturday morning that QB Ben Roethlisberger is not expected to face charges for sexual assault, but Holmes' latest situation keeps the negative spotlight shining brightly on the organization.
This latest allegation is not connected with a civil suit Holmes is facing in Florida, in which he's accused of throwing a glass in the face of a lady at a night club in Orlando in March. The accuser initially declined to press charges, but the latest report now is she intends to do so.
If the substance abuse allegation and subsequent suspension are true, it further bleakens the horizon for the promising young receiver, who was named the MVP of Super Bowl XLIII after Pittsburgh defeated Arizona 27-23.
Holmes is in the last year of his first contract in the NFL, but will still remain a restricted free agent after the 2010 season under the current collective bargaining agreement.
With the draft coming up, Pittsburgh has conducted visits with five wide receivers: Notre Dame's Golden Tate, Oklahoma State's Dez Bryant, South Florida's Carlton Mitchell, Illinois' Arrelious Benn, SMU's Emmanuel Sanders. If Holmes is suspended for four games, the Steelers would be looking at a trio of Hines Ward, Mike Wallace and veteran Antwaan Randle-El to compliment Roethlisberger and TE Heath Miller.
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If FO knew this
that would explain the emphasis on free agent WR and scouting the rookies.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 10, 2010 12:42 PM EDT reply actions
With the 18th Pick in the 2010 NFL Draft...
The Steelers select Golden Tate, wide receiver Notre Dame. :)
This is terrible. Just when we thought this was over with. Let’s hope PFT was getting some bad info. I think that being from WV, Florio is a Steelers fan so overcompensates with this stuff to avoid accusations of bias.
lol
he’s actually a vikings fan…and you can notice it by him giving out his “awards” to undeserving viking players.
i thought all those WR visits were just a misdirection. i guess not. and if this is true, no way is he getting an extension this offseason
He grew up a Vikings fan
I live in MN and he’s on the local sports talk station with the Vikings play-by-play guy pretty frequently. He admitted to growing up rooting for the Vikings.
Not that it matters…I don’t think he favors or hates any team in particular. It’s not his fault the players of a team F up and he writes about it.
by Neal Coolong on Apr 10, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
How would anything be a players fault?
It’s obviously Arians.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 10, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
arians is on the phone with tomlin right now . . .
" . . . can we fill his roster spot with a tight end??" . . .
I recently have really grown to like Tate
Reminds me a little of Steve Smith of the Panthers.
BTSC Obituaries
OldManSteeler, ominously died two days before Superbowl 123 where the Ravens are set to attempt their 7th superbowl win, facing the Detroit Lions on Sunday. He was 86. His last words are believed to be "MALOR CAN SUCK IT!!!". Like friends and family, we can only guess what this could mean.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Apr 10, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a common comparison from Scouts
Creator of the Cameron Wake "Crossing the Border" Award
Winner of the Pats Pulpit "Best Thread-Jacking" Award
The original "Can-o-Tuna" circa 1991" Award
Mike Mayock is dead-on in his evaluation of Earl Thomas. Bank on it.
really?
i thought tate was physically bigger than smith . . . and not really a speed guy . . .
yeah
i mean, he’s a great player, and i like smoking weed as much as the next guy, but I’m not making millions of dollars to play a game. He should either lay off or find a way around the tests, I’m sure all the other players that smoke (cough, randy moss) beat them somehow.
I wonder if his “wake and bake” tweet prompted a surprise test?
You guys really are high
No way we can afford to let 10 go. Our WR Corps wouldn’t get us very far without him even with a stud rookie. We need 10 and I think he’ll get signed again. It just hasn’t been our offseason!
Brian: Face it Peter, you get competitive about everything.
Peter: I am so not competitive. In fact, I am the least non-competitive. So I win.
by SoCalSteelerFan on Apr 10, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s Sweed all the way now. Throw him in like Mendenhall, he looked like crap till he got a bunch of reps in a row.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 10, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Sweed fell off the map
I don’t think there’s much left in Pittsburgh for him.
Brian: Face it Peter, you get competitive about everything.
Peter: I am so not competitive. In fact, I am the least non-competitive. So I win.
by SoCalSteelerFan on Apr 10, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they need to give him a real chance, not a you dropped two passes, see you for one play in four weeks deal. If we had done that with Plex or Tone they would have been in the doghouse too. I’d give him a real hard look in some preseason games and either cut trade or play him after that. Letting him go in the offseason just seems dumb.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 11, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree
Cutting the cord after two years for a WR is premature. Its time to put him out there in a game and say sink or swim. Let him play throw him some passes. If he drops them all, theres no hope for the kid. If he catches some, more than not then try again. Its just crazy in 10 passes 2 were so huge, one help decide a game. Life isn’t fair but we need to give Sweed a fair shake, we owe it to ourselves especially if this is true and tone faces a 4 game suspension.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 11, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions
well . . . i think the sweed issue is a summation of things . . .
especially the mental component . . . when he dropped that ball in the raven playoff game and opted to remain on the turf until the trainers got their (for bilateral “thumb injuries”????) . . . ugh! . . .
while sweed has demonstrated elite ability to get amazingly wide open many times, he still has to catch the ball . . .
i agree that he needs reps (but i’ve read ed bouchette write many times that sweed gets plenty of reps in practice and drops those as well!) . . .
at best, i think sweed remains an enigma . . . that said, i find arguments to keep/dump him equally valid . . .
funny
i thought he did well in practice
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 11, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Correction
Sweed has dropped THREE huge passes. 1) Under 3 minutes to go in the SD playoff game which could have iced it sooner. 2) In the Baltimore AFCCG and then laid out on the turf sulking and 3) The Cincinnati game which actually cost us a W and in the long run the playoff spot.
That said, Holmes legal issues gives Sweed another shot at the 53. Hope he doesn’t drop the chance but his prospects are getting slim. He needs to step up and be a man already. The Steelers will not keep him on the 53 because he blocked somebody once after a dropped pass. Dude needs to receive the ball since he is listed as a wide receiver.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
But
you do remember he made 2 3rd down completions that helped win that game, he drops either of those two passes in the AFCCG and the ravens have an excellent chance to win.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 11, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Had He Caught The TD
those first down catches don’t matter. ( I don’t remember but I will go back & watch the game and report back on how easy the catches were or were not)
Bottom line for me 84 is that I keep giving him chances until there is someone better to take his spot. His spot to lose is the very last receiver we keep on the 53 based on his past performance. With ARE & Battle he looks iffy.
IMO it’s funny how so sold on Sweed some on this board are with what is on the tape. I mean, how many chances does he get for open TD passes that he dropped until he makes 5 plays in a row? Some argued he didn’t drop the pass against SD. I actually went back and spent $50 on the 4 DVD 08 playoff set that includes the SD game among the 4. The SD throw was right in his hands. The announcer even said something like “You couldn’t throw a more perfect pass.” So that one didn’t cost us because they won. But they lost against Cincinnati in 09 and missed the playoffs. That was crucial. Then he quit on them and wasn’t even around in the end. He was on mental leave.
If I’m HC he is #6 in my book on a team that will keep 5 WR. If 10 is suspended for the 1st 4 games and we get an extra roster spot, Sweed has 4 games (where I might not even dress him) to impress me to keep a spot when 10 returns.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
really
tough crowd, point is he made up for it, give the guy a break. Everyone brings up the drops, but no one remembers the clutch catching. SMH
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 11, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
But he gets one more chance just from the law of WRs.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 11, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Excellent point. Tone was horrible his first year. Maybe he wasn’t high enough or something.
by Neal Coolong on Apr 11, 2010 6:29 AM EDT up reply actions
You are correct
We do need his talent, but I’m not so hard core of a fan that I want to win that bad. I have no use for poor character players. And yes, I realize that there is not a single team in the world that doesn’t have a few bad apples, but I’d rather be .500 than have this guy on my team. He’s been trouble all along and apparently is not going to learn. I understand he had a rough childhood and wish him well. I’m just not a fan.
whoa whoa
i would rather have a guy whose only problem is pot than be .500. No question. I like watching them on TV, it’s not like I’m hiring them to babysit.
by dankdiggety on Apr 10, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In case you haven't noticed...
He’s also under a criminal investigation for throwing a glass at a woman in a club. So at the moment, smoking pot is not his only problem.
" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"
" In America" Charlie Daniels Band
by idiscgolftexas on Apr 11, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok
So no pot-smokers or glass-throwers…which college would you like the Steelers to recruit from? There are 10s of schools out there…
by Neal Coolong on Apr 11, 2010 6:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Word.
If he were smoking crack at half-time ala LT there might be a problem, so the dumbass blows a little herb, big deal. His agent should take the damned Twitter away from him, however. Nothing criminal will result from the BS FLA business, only civil $$$, same with Ben.
Take the twitter away?!
You mean his agent should step in and tell a grown man that he works for to knock off the sophomoric behavior and act like a man that is going to demand millions of dollars and respect in the NFL? maybe if he put down the weed he wouldn’t pick up the twitter
In other words, you want his agent to manage his personal life, too?
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
may i ask you?
just how judgmental are you? i bet when you see holmes drop a pass in a game it goes something like “he smokes so much weed he can’t concentrate on the ball.”
you’re seriously going to say that just because he smokes weed he has a twitter? excuse my french, but how much bullshit is that…?
you may wish to read what I was responding to before offering your opinion
I don’t know klompus. How judgmental am I? pot (no pun intended) calling the kettle black much You tell me then oh wise one. Bullshit was exactly what I was thinking too.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
something like this is exactly what an agent is supposed to do.
advise their client on how to best act for their own good. smoking pot has absolutely nothing to do with twitter, so your completely irrelevant statement connecting the two is extremely judgmental, since you asked.
ps, you’re pretty clever with the scratched out stuff. being passive aggressive is just as bad as being a straight out prick, in case you weren’t aware.
whats wrong with
twitter?
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 11, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
You really want to know?
Twitter is like a loaded gun. Used the right way, it could be used for good. Used the wrong way, it can be death in a bad way.
“Sophomoric” was a word used to describe Santonio’s use of Twitter. I wouldn’t give ‘Tone that much credit. 7th grade is more like it. He’s acting like a brainless idiot.
Twitter can be a great tool for disseminating information. It can be great for businesses big and small. Non-profits. Individuals. But the way he uses it, and so many other celebs/athletes? Right. 7th grade at best, and apparently, it can even damage your career and your public image.
Twitter isn’t the problem, just like the gun Plaxico had on him that night in the club. It was the fool pulling the trigger….errrr..vomiting info torrets style.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
True
Twitter is the problem, nothing in itself is wrong with twitter, which is where I was going with it. Its more along the lines of who is using twitter and how it is being used. But it doesn’t matter now because the guy is outta here!
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 12, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
You know all about being a prick apparently
I don’t care if he twits, tweets or flaps his wings~ Straight up. Maybe you should be his agent klompus. Since the NFL, Rooney’s, teammates, fanbase and his current agent have failed to get through to him. Or…..maybe he just doesn’t give a rip about anyone, just “maryjane”.
PS- I didn’t “connect the two” as you imply…. I was responding to the post above that said his twitter account should be taken away from him. I guess as a form of punishment…who knows. Last note… You’re entitled to your opinion and I to mine.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
you didnt connect the two
yet i quote : “maybe if he put down the weed he wouldnt pick up the twitter”
what exactly does this mean?
That I'm a passive-aggressive
bitch that isn’t afraid to call out an asshole for being an asshole? I don’t know you tell me. You’re the one with all the answers, no?
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
you're not stringing together coherent responses
if i quoted you being a passive aggressive bitch, well then you could have said what you said. instead i quoted you contradicting yourself so your idea of a response is… calling me an asshole. you’re the one making absurd connections and judging people
It's all good klompus
You stay true to your beliefs. In the end, that’s all we have. Cheers.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
My 2 cents....
It seemed as if he was highlighted one of the two obvious downfalls of Holmes: his blunts consumption and his Twitter compulsion.
He isn’t that bright of a guy. Agents help curb us from seeing the true idiotic nature of (some) of our favorite athletes.
Thanks for the memories, Santonio, but you’re not a true Steeler.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
Not a true Steeler? Being a Steeler means playing all out, winning, being a good teammate and playing big in the biggest moments.
Holmes was a true Steeler. Illegal drugs and being stupid doesn’t make you not a true Steeler, that would eliminate some of our best players.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 12, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
you don't use your tv to babysit???
. . . like most bad parents today . . .
nah . . . i disagree . . .
. . . i think tomlin hit the nail on the head when he told holmes: "you are a distraction . . . go home this weekend . . . "
this was also the moment when i really became a tomlin fan (though the “unleashing hell” thing gave me pause for thought" . . . lol) . . .
It "just hasn't been our offseason"??
SoCal, c’mon man….are you enjoying some of ’Tones herb too?
Did his two other failed tests come this offseason? Did his assault come this offseason?
All I know is his indescretions are going to cost us THIS SEASON, 1/4 of it to be exact, and where will you be sitting when we are 1-3 after 4 close games to start, and our future star WR errrr….most dynamic playmaker errrr… starting wide receiver is sitting on the bench?
He cracks one smile, or jokes around one time on that sideline, I want his cocky “That’s How You Be Great” ass traded.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
And I wasn't referring to his most recent assault, BTW.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
At least trade someone for him.
We can get a really good CB or something from someone for him like Asomouga(sp?) or something.
Bungles Tank Stupidly like Clockwork
--------
Every night at the club the girls screamed when he'd come
He stood six foot five and weighed 241
Kinda meaty in the face with a head full of stone
And everybody knew you didn't go to the bathroom alone around Big Ben
(Big Ben Big Ben) Big Fat Ben (Big Ben)
Probably more likely a draft pick
I’m not sure what he’s worth at this point. Big upside still, but just a moron off the field. Cincy, Oakland, and a few teams desperate for receivers would still be willing to give considerably for him, but how much I’m not sure.
BTSC Obituaries
OldManSteeler, ominously died two days before Superbowl 123 where the Ravens are set to attempt their 7th superbowl win, facing the Detroit Lions on Sunday. He was 86. His last words are believed to be "MALOR CAN SUCK IT!!!". Like friends and family, we can only guess what this could mean.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Apr 10, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He won't get traded within the AFC.
The FO is too smart for that.
Although Oakland would be a perfect fit, and I would love to see that happen (Sorry, Santonio, you brought this hate-slide on yourself, bro) but watching him waste away and learn what he had the hard way would be a good lesson for him.
Al Davis has a history, even recent, of renting to own players own the short term, and giving up a lot. Won’t happen though. Send him to any NFC team other than the Cardinals.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
Tone
shouldn’t be traded.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 11, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not worth Ashomugamuga
No way anybody would trade that straight up..
But IMO hed be worth a 2nd rounder to a good team.
Limas
now would be an awesome time to play up to your potential, just saying in case you was wondering when was a good time….
Steelers football is 60 mins.
My thoughts exactly
Mendy got his chance last year with Parker out. Sweed should get more opportunities if Holmes is suspended.
For ideas on statistical analyses, email me at wolfpacksteelersfan@gmail.com.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 10, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Only if you've been building up to it.
Name all the WR’s that have busted out in their 3rd seasons. A ton right?
Now name all of those 3rd year WR’s that busted out after doing jack squat their first two.
Not such an impressive list now.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
how bout you give that list?
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 11, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
How about you look it up?
We all know the well documented trend of WR’s that break out in their 3rd year. It’s almost like a rite of passage, and it makes WR’s like Boldin, Moss, Colston and others’ first seasons that are astounding just that: astounding.
If you can give me an accurate, comprehensive list of 3rd year WR’s that were busts in their 1st two years, who turned it around to make a serious splash in their third, I’ll isten.
But you know that list is not long. At all. Off the top of my head, I’m thinking Meachem? Maybe V. Jacks from Daygo? Maybe?
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
I'll do the work
and get you that list.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 12, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
THATS HOW YOU BE GREAT!
Bungles Tank Stupidly like Clockwork
--------
Every night at the club the girls screamed when he'd come
He stood six foot five and weighed 241
Kinda meaty in the face with a head full of stone
And everybody knew you didn't go to the bathroom alone around Big Ben
(Big Ben Big Ben) Big Fat Ben (Big Ben)
by svenhoek on Apr 10, 2010 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What else is new?
Ugh!
The Electric Chair was invented by a Dentist. No wonder why children hate them.
Wow...
If true, bad move Santonio.
"One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preperation."
-Arthur Ashe
Considering he's been busted for Marijuana already
This is a definite no bueno.
The Electric Chair was invented by a Dentist. No wonder why children hate them.
Yup
He’s gone. I don’t know if it’ll be this year, but this basically puts his shot of resigning at 0%. Maybe we can get a 1st rounder for him this year, but if he’s suspended I’m not sure. I’m not one to jump to conclusions like this, but please just get rid of him. He’s becoming a cancer.
BTSC Obituaries
OldManSteeler, ominously died two days before Superbowl 123 where the Ravens are set to attempt their 7th superbowl win, facing the Detroit Lions on Sunday. He was 86. His last words are believed to be "MALOR CAN SUCK IT!!!". Like friends and family, we can only guess what this could mean.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Apr 10, 2010 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
I think this
With the draft coming up, Pittsburgh has conducted visits with five wide receivers: Notre Dame’s Golden Tate, Oklahoma State’s Dez Bryant, South Florida’s Carlton Mitchell, Illinois’ Arrelious Benn, SMU’s Emmanuel Sanders.
Means the boys in the front office knew something was up with Holmes. Doesn’t necessarily mean that we’ll draft any of those guys, but they’re definitely giving them a look. Golden Tate has been really growing on me lately. From what I’ve heard, he’s. He’s tough, seems pretty grounded (in terms of character), good hands, and has just a ridiculous ability to go up and get the jump ball, especially for a guy who’s only 5’11". He’s also pretty dangerous after the catch. Biggest thing he needs to work on is his route running, but we have the depth to let him learn for a year or two and then bring him in as a #1 or #2 receiver. Just food for thought.
BTSC Obituaries
OldManSteeler, ominously died two days before Superbowl 123 where the Ravens are set to attempt their 7th superbowl win, facing the Detroit Lions on Sunday. He was 86. His last words are believed to be "MALOR CAN SUCK IT!!!". Like friends and family, we can only guess what this could mean.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Apr 10, 2010 2:35 PM EDT reply actions
I’ve had a gut feeling for a couple weeks that we’d draft tate. Of course, I’d rather it not happen under these circumstances.
That is, if the story is even true, which we don’t know yet.
Tate
No chance they’ll take him at 18, but what seems to be missed here is that Tate is a slot receiver, Holmes is a split end. If they want to get an instant return out of drafting a WR that high, he needs to be able to play outside the numbers at a high level, and run a pretty nasty slant route. I don’t see that as Tate’s highest and best use – despite having several other outstanding characteristics.
If by some weird fluke, he’s there in the second, they’d take him, but be warned, Limas wasn’t supposed to last until the second round, either.
by Neal Coolong on Apr 10, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea
Story could be false, and if it is, I wonder if Florio could lose his job over it. Now there’s a nice thought.
BTSC Obituaries
OldManSteeler, ominously died two days before Superbowl 123 where the Ravens are set to attempt their 7th superbowl win, facing the Detroit Lions on Sunday. He was 86. His last words are believed to be "MALOR CAN SUCK IT!!!". Like friends and family, we can only guess what this could mean.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Apr 10, 2010 3:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Florio owns the name
Not really sure how he’d lose his job…he sort of IS the site.
Besides, he didn’t say it was true, he said sources told him it’s true. If they’re wrong, then ok, nothing happens to Florio, but he does lose a ton of credibility, so it balances itself out.
by Neal Coolong on Apr 10, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Lose his job?
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
Last chance for Limas
Perhaps this gives Limas Sweed a spot on the roster early in the season, and hopefully a chance to keep it.
Its a real shame because Holmes is probably in the clear on the assault case. And bens probably in the clear too. So just when I thought all was good, this comes up.
This definitely put holmes on the first train out at the end of the year.
Makes you think...
In a situation where he is “needed” he might actually get the reps without worrying about being pulled. Make those mistakes that he’s going to make, then move on. He’s already shown he can do that, on a couple different occasions.
Maybe….crosses fingers mayyyyybe, if he realizes he’s needed, he can fill the shoes he was drafted to fill, such as: The 2nd round pick that was initially graded out as a first round pick but fell down the board to us.
Limas is at the crossroads where the proof will be right there in front of everyone: Was he really a 1st round talent who unfairly slid? Or….did the other teams have it right and our FO didn’t catch it?
I’d hate for it to be a draft phrase people use in the future, when you get caught drafting a sliding talent that’s just not top end material: “You just got Limas’d.”
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
I doubt that he is on the train out, but he has lost leverage in contract talks. The FO now has more of a reason to low ball the offer and let him entertain other offers. Maybe he will like Buffalo. I am sure that Arizona will call him, but the payday that he was counting on just went up in a puff of smoke from the bong, and the sound of a glass hitting a woman in the face.
(bubble, bubble, bubble, bubble)
Snap & Clear :]
Brian: Face it Peter, you get competitive about everything.
Peter: I am so not competitive. In fact, I am the least non-competitive. So I win.
by SoCalSteelerFan on Apr 10, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
I’m wondering though, can we put a tender on him next season? We low ball him, and win if he comes back. If he doesn’t take it, he moves on, we get a 1st and 3rd. I’d take that.
Anyone know if that’s possible?
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
Tate managed to remember his cleats at his pro day
Bryant couldn’t even do that. Plus, Bryant says running slant routes aren’t really his thing, which suggests prima donna. Tate just wants to play football.
by Neal Coolong on Apr 10, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess bringing your most important set of tools to work isn't "his thing" either.
Bryant is a prima donna. I cringe every time there’s some compassionate writer who wants to massage a future story with a star by writing crap like “Dez Bryant is a hard working, nice young man with his head screwed on straight.”
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/03/wr-dez-bryant-works-out-for-scouts-gets.html
There are more out there. The kid has talent but the possibility of him being another headcase is very high. Tate on the other hand has been getting compared to Hines Ward and seems to have a lot of flexibility in terms of what he can do on the field without the character issues.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 11, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Caption Contest Take 2
BB: “Hello? Are you in there, Holmes? Blink, dammit!”
Holmes: “Shaz jas da foo inna dem… cheetos?”
by Varmint on Apr 10, 2010 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
And my try
Tone: OMG I am so high I can’t feel my head. I got to tweet this.
BB: Don’t worry tone I can feel your head.
Tone: That’s how you be great!
by SteelerBuddha on Apr 10, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
How about
BB: Dude, the good news, you get to smoke all the weed you want, whenever you want. the bad news….uh….(he’’ll find out later, why kill the buzz)…You get to smoke alot of weed!!
by Twell on Apr 10, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
“OMG, Holmsey, we did it! The new CBA says I can surf porn at halftime and you can have Doritos in the huddle! And the only thing we had to give up was healthcare for old guys…”
by Blount Trauma on Apr 11, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Peep this,
Two incidents in one offseason after having already been busted twice before on some shit?! With all the stuff that’s going on with Ben to?! This guy is not gonna get another contract. I read somewhere to that he’s been talking about wanting to play for a big market team. I wouldn’t be surprised if gets traded. Never seen it happen with Pittsburgh but Art Jr. is in charge now and he’s been doing things a little differently around town. It really don’t matter what you get for him if you’re not gonna resign him. It wouldn’t be much for him anyway with an impending 4 game suspension coming.
"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare but only those specifically enumerated."
Thomas Jefferson
If the Rooney Family wants more Championships
They’ll keep Roethlisberger. Like Holmes though, he needs to get his act together. The Pittsburgh Steelers are a proud franchise, and they’re not going to take anymore crap from these guys. A message needs to be sent, a STRONG message because if nothing’s done, they’re going to make things worse for team, the fans, and their selves.
The Electric Chair was invented by a Dentist. No wonder why children hate them.
So what you are saying
is that Tone drops trouble like Limas drops passes?
by SteelerBuddha on Apr 10, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Like Beastie Boys gonna let the beat...
DROP!
"There is no truth but in transit." R.W. Emerson
by cliff harris is still a punk! on Apr 10, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd prefer
to hear The Pharcyde’s song “Drop”.
Sadly, I may have to buy a ARE or Sweed jersey to replace my Holmes one… smh
Alright, okay, I don't dance, no way, ...I just take my Terrible Towel out and wave it around in the air!!!!
Ask And You Shall Receive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co3qMdkucM0
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
Agreed.
Not sure I’m fully into his style.
He needs to shut his yap when it comes to things like run/pass differential. Talk to the coaches, don’t talk to the press, dammit. It’s your team, just don’t be a glory hound. Make it happen with your employees, mouth shut, eyes straight, case closed, end of story.
I just see more of Snyder/Jerry Jones in him than I do Art Rooney Sr. Not from the monetary perspective, but from the desire to be noticed. He’s been in the shadows for so long, I sense a little Napoleonic Syndrome going on behind his little suit.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
dont lynch tone yet. he had two cases dropped. i.e. what you are referring to is not on his legal official records. weed charge dropped…other charge also…..
tone is a teflon don jus like big ben
Ben is INNOCENT!
He's going to be sitting his Teflon ass on a wood bench the first four games of this season.
Doesn’t sound like he’s all that slippery to me.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
don't count out teflon tone just yet...
the report is from florio for cryin out loud….
exactly
wait till it is from the league before we get excited. Florio has a rep for blowing smoke.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 11, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
JUST YESTERDAY
I was writing a post arguing how stupid it would be to trade or not re-sign Holmes, but my computer unexctedly closed down before I could send it and I gave up. BUT IF THIS STORY IS TRUE, I’d get rid of him now, he’s just a bozo who’s a constant distraction with more to come in the future. Get a 2nd or 3rd round pick and take the kid they brought in from South Florida, Carlton Mitchell. Big, fast, physical, compared to Brandon Marshall. That leaves the rest of the draft planning in place, and avoids the reach for Tate.
What is his value if he's sitting down for four games?
Is he worth a 2nd or 3rd at that point?
" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"
" In America" Charlie Daniels Band
by idiscgolftexas on Apr 11, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Keep in mind...
A top-tier QB just got traded to a division rival for a second round pick. McNabb also needed a contract extension, like Holmes. There’s a whole draft and other problem WRs on the market who aren’t facing a quarter-season suspension (or, one who is one step away from a season-long suspension). It’s pretty tough to ask for a second rounder.
I could see a third-rounder, but considering Pittsburgh has him for one more season at his rookie price, then one more season at an original-level tender (1st round pick compensation) per the current league rules absent a collective bargaining agreement. That’s a very low price for a guy who just caught 79 passes for 1250 yards.
His punishment will be not getting an extension, and the fact he has zero leverage in a holdout situation. Marshall is sitting in Denver with the same problem right now, so the market is already full of problem young talnted WRs but the one ahead of him isn’t facing suspension.
by Neal Coolong on Apr 11, 2010 6:38 AM EDT up reply actions
mcnabb was also 33 and has had injures in the past few years so he probably only has 3-4 years of starting quality play left in him. that’s why the eagles could only get the raiders and redskins to offer a 2nd rd pick & possibly 3rd rd pick (and the raiders probably backed out due to the rumors mcnabb would refuse to play there), cuz it would be like drafting a guy you know after his draft contract runs out he’s going to leave your team.
holmes will have accrued 5 years after the 2010 season so he won’t be an RFA, he’ll be a UFA. we’d get a comp pick if he signed else where (probably a 4th rd if he signed something around 6mil/year)
i could see us getting a 2nd rd pick (in next year’s draft) if we wait a couple months for some of this stuff to die down. i agree though that we won’t be trading him and he won’t be getting an extension (if this is suspension is true)
Under the current league structure...
You need six years to reach UFA.
by Neal Coolong on Apr 11, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah my bad man
Wouldn’t let me erase it after I saw your response
by Neal Coolong on Apr 11, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
lol its ok
so many times i’ve noticed something after i hit submit and there’s no way.
That "Top Tier" QB is also 5 Bazillion years old, and is not the future, just a band aid.
’Tone is a young rising star with a Super Bowl MVP in his locker, who is getting better each year.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
True...
But since when is a WR more valuable than a QB? Washington oughtta know, they’ve been without a decent one since Mark Rypien’s Deal With The Devil 1991 season.
If McNabb at 34 is old (Kurt Warner Brett Favre, AHEM) and still worth a second round pick, it begs the question as to what a 25 year old wide receiver whose best stats came when the team threw the ball on a 60-40 ratio, and is about to be suspended for 4 games.
by Neal Coolong on Apr 11, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Either way, would you say he's better than a 5th round pick?
Oh wow. Unbelievable.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
I'm of the mind...
Just keep Santonio this year. Don’t try to mess with chemistry or WR packages mid-season. His experience, if we draft a youngster, is MUCH needed this season.
Then…Trade Holmes as soon as the season is finished. He’ll have shown a lot in the final 16 games and playoffs, because he knows he’ll have to work his ass off to get that contract and get back in everyone’s good graces.
We win, he leaves. I’m ok with that.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
*final 12 games
Maybe I added those final four games from the playoffs. ;)
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
I assumed you had!
:-)
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 11, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
What can I say, I'm a trained optomist. ;)
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
Well if Holmes does get suspended
atleast he’ll have more time to sit around playing Madden and get high. It’d be a shame if he’d have to create himself as a player to actually be in the game though.
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Apr 10, 2010 8:40 PM EDT reply actions
Well, he'd lose himself for four games,
right?
by Neal Coolong on Apr 10, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
for now
next thing you know we’ll hear he’s Alkida
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Apr 10, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
-1,too-many-zeros-to-list
Say it ain’t so, ‘Tone. Just say it ain’t so.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
Trade proposal
I’d love to shake Holmes to Jax for their 10th pick. They need a receiver and that’s where he’s from (Florida). If this last piece becomes truth, I’m done with him. This would be issue number 5
1. Domestic Abuse
2. Miami run-in with police while drinking
3. Weed in 2007
4. Orlando nightclub
5. Substance Abuse violation
I more jersey I’m stuck with…
Alright, okay, I don't dance, no way, ...I just take my Terrible Towel out and wave it around in the air!!!!
That would actually make sense
They could swap 10 for 18 and give em Holmes. Jax could get Tebow at 18, get a receiver and lose no picks. We could get a player such as Haden or Bulaga perhaps that could impact right away and still have all our picks to fill our other needs… I think Hines/Wallace/ARE would be a fine trio, with Battle and Sweed to fight for the fourth spot. Since the plan is to run more anyway, I don’t see that being much of a problem, we wouldn’t even have to draft a receiver early…
Next up : Rooney family facing RICO charges. Franchise sold to Disney who appoints Hannah Montana as GM and moves the team to L.A. The team is to be called The Glitters.
Well no way we give up
Tone and a first rounder. I think Tone and a mid-round pick would be sufficient to net a first rounder from someone. I don’t know what the fo will do at this point. Safe to say other teams will want to make sure Holmes is innocent of glassthrowinggate, before they give up a first, but I wouldn’t rule it out.
BTSC Obituaries
OldManSteeler, ominously died two days before Superbowl 123 where the Ravens are set to attempt their 7th superbowl win, facing the Detroit Lions on Sunday. He was 86. His last words are believed to be "MALOR CAN SUCK IT!!!". Like friends and family, we can only guess what this could mean.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Apr 10, 2010 9:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That is not what I said
Moving up from 18 to 10 would cost a second round pick. I’m suggesting using Tone as value equivalent to a second round pick to move up. Nobody is going to give away a first round pick for a troubled receiver in the last year of his contract, so I’m thinking the best we could get away with is 2nd round value in a trade.
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Don't know if we could get that at this point.
Holmes value is dropping like Enron stock.
" Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, and then I think you'll finally understand"
" In America" Charlie Daniels Band
by idiscgolftexas on Apr 11, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
You're probably right
To me it was a best-case scenario, I’m surprised people would see that as too LITTLE for Tone…
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Trade Chart
Everyone in the NFL uses the Trade Value Chart Jimmy Johnson created. Based on that, the 10th overall pick is worth 1,300 points. The 18th is worth 900. The difference is 400, which is equiviant to the 50th overall pick in the draft.
Pittsburgh giving the 18th overall pick and Santonio Holmes for the 10th overall pick actually probably works. The fact Tone is facing a suspension and only has one year left on his deal probably puts his value down to a second-round pick (if not lower), so I think Jacksonville would listen to that kind of an offer.
by Neal Coolong on Apr 11, 2010 6:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep
That was my rationale. I’m thinking if he’s NOT going to be suspended the deal would have a chance. I’m not sure anyone would give more than a second for Tone in even the best circumstances. The Boldin trade pretty much set the standard here. Of course all of this is conjecture…
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+1
‘Tone plus a 2/3/4 mix to move up to Jax’s 10 spot would be nice. They get Tone, marry him with Sims-Walker on the other side, get Tebow to throw the ball at their feet, and at least they fill more seats while not winning.
I like this.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
No On will give a high 1st for tone
no one.
hes tweeting to the world he is getting stoned in the mornings. literally.
if true and if suspended we would be lucky to get a second for him.
funny thing is talent wise he is worth the number one pick. superbowl mvp and badass. thinks he is invincible.
Ben is INNOCENT!
hard for me to imagine that we resign him
which is really unfortunate.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Apr 10, 2010 9:12 PM EDT reply actions
Santonio
Give me a break! How many chances does he want? The Rooneys and the Steelers are too good for this punk…good riddens
NFL - a bunch of hypocrites
they could possibly suspend Tone for a lil weed as y’all are insinuating but tons of guys are on roids or other illegal stuff and nothing happens to most of them
the docs give players tons of uppers and other pills every Sunday/Monday
Remember Brett Favre had a huge pill dependency – was he suspended? No..but he was allowed therapy…
different rules for different folks – as some of you have been noticing recently
Which other law/rule/regulation would you like to be a player multiple choice option
If I know my employer tests for illegal substances (yep…even “a lil weed” is still illegal) and I chose to ignore that policy (and obviously any reasonable amount of common sense I may still have left in my burned out brain)…….why then should I be shocked and amazed if they suspend me.
I’ll say it again: This isn’t Cinci-nanny. We deserve better as fans and the franchise does, too.
You’re comparing apples to oranges when you speak of Favre and Tone. Favre’s addiction was to prescription pain medication. Those are not illegal.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
Substance Abuse Policy
The NFL considers the use/abuse of weed and steroids as one in the same. Both substances are covered under the same policy.
So while we have all the hearsay evidence in the world to believe he tested positive for marijuana, if the allegations are true, it very well could have been for steroids too. The punishment is the same for either one.
by Neal Coolong on Apr 11, 2010 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Wah.
I seriously don’t care who gets what for what.
I do care if it’s fair.
Take it case by case. ‘Tone messed up. ’Tone pays. Period. No sense bringing in the "Two rights don’t make a wrong" or “Well, mommy, THEY did it too!” arguments.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
Newsflash: Consider the source!
“Tokeofthetown”?
Really?
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
he got his sources from SI.com, as he says in the article
god forbid someone who smokes pot can write an article!
yeah
the story was originally posted by Don Banks at Si…this fella reHASHed it.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/don_banks/03/23/nfl.draft.marijuana/index.html
that’s a pretty cool blog btw
by dankdiggety on Apr 11, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why do we do this every time?
Some rumor breaks out. An accusation here, there. And we react as if its truth? I could be, Florio says its a source. We’ll if so, it will start making the rounds on the main stream media. How about wait, until all the facts come out before condemning the man. Should he quit the weed habit of course. I’m not advocating weed toking. I just want wait til there are more facts. Call me naive. Fine but we’ll see.
Even if this is true, i’m not fond of cutting ‘tone. You got one year left on the contract, let him play it out and after this year give an low-end offer with intensives for him to not to smoke weed. If he doesn’t take it, let him walk. If he does there is redemption waiting for tone but he is going to have to earn it. From the looks of it here, the patience of a lot of steelers are wearing thin. Not only is the franchise proud, the fans are too. We love how to point to other teams with legal trouble and tell them how they have a group of misfits. The egg is on our face though now. We don’t like that, we’ve had to endure harsh words from other fans. I get the feeling we’re so upset with tone because our ego has taken a hit. No longer can we gloat about legal troubles. But for me, personally, I’m fine with that. I’d rather brag about other things. Some say they rather field a group of church boys than win football games. Well no one is perfect so why even try to field a team, a group of 53 men who are bound to make mistakes somewhere. Why even play this game of football? Whats the point of competition if the desire to win is removed? We’re just going through the motions and wasting time and money. That is not what the Steelers are about. That isn’t want America is about. Competition fuels the NFL and if you aren’t going to be competition then lets do something else with our lives on Sunday.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
+1
But to be fair, Florio said he heard from “multiple sources.” And as much as everyone here wants to crucify the guy, he’s as well-connected as it comes in league circles, so it’s tough for me to think this is a fabrication.
I agree though, it’s time to be ok with ceding the moral high ground to another team. The Steelers and all of us knew exactly what we had when they traded up to draft Tone. The ink wasn’t even dry on his contract by the first time he had a run-in with the cops. He’s had several other issues since then too. He’s also a Super Bowl MVP and just had one of the best individual receiving seasons in franchise history.
I’ll be honest, I’m more upset with this due to the fact he’ll miss four games if this is true. I don’t care so much about the example he’s setting for kids. This is a guy who admitted to selling drugs when he was a kid for cripessake!
by Neal Coolong on Apr 11, 2010 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I don;'t think anyone here wants to CUT 'Tone.
Far from it, that would be ridunkulous.
Let him play his contract out, tender him an offer lowball style, then let another team grab him and we get picks.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
My friends in Columbus who went to OSU said the guy
was high constantly during the week and offseason.
Imagine what he’d be capable of if he kept away from it!?
What the?
Ok…..why is everyone dumping Santonio? He’s gonna get off for the glass tossing thing. Evidence shows he didn’t do it. There’s no news about this drug thing on ESPN, Steelers site, or the Post Gazette. But everyone is tossing him in the garbage?
On top of that, BB is gonna be home free tomorrow. Seems to me the court of public opinion is way off course!
Keep those heads up! No one is getting cut, going to jail, or suspended!!
+1...
also, what if the mean green actually helps him? I so wish our society would just get over the whole marijuana is bad thing. puhleese. Most of the people with that opinion probably have never smoked any of it. Just out there yapping about some shit they no nothing about….kinda like Florio. Even if his sources are correct in this instance, personally I see this as not a huge deal. He gets 4 games to think about how he screwed up and loses all that money and we get to see if Sweed has finally got it together. I have said all along that Limas needs to chill with Holmes and enjoy some blunts. He will then be able to relax and catch footballs.
Helps him....
While you’re busy with your mellow-ness and your buzz is just right…. your productivity has dropped and the rest of us are charged with picking up your slack.
Yeah; we should just get over the weed thing. I know I want my airline pilot to be comfortable and relaxed in the cockpit…and the guy running the crane lifting steel beams in the middle of downtown should let his mind be free enough to think about his munchies. You have a point.
Eeeeeeeeeverybody must get stoned.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
by 1BlkGldFan on Apr 11, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1 For A Bob Dylan Refernce
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTtkyMfA0Iw&feature=related
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
by 5020 on Apr 11, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pining for America to get off the weed paranoia doesn't do anything.
It’s illegal. End of story.
‘Tone can’t get off it. End of story.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
Seems like this way of thinking is in the minority 58
and it’s pretty amazing that the lawbreakers are bitching about the law-ABIDING citizens to “get over it”.
Guess if ‘Tone wanted something to help him on the field he’d follow in Swann’s footsteps and take ballet…….or yoga…..or Tai Chi…..or something that won’t get you suspended for 4 freakin’ games…… But…..I guess we should all just get over it and pacify the pot smokers.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
Don't you have a hand rolled cigarette to smoke
and go to your happy place? Blow that sunshine up someone elses’ skirt klompus.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
so i take it you have sped?
this law abiding citizen isn’t happy with your actions and i refuse to get over it.
Speed is an amphetamine
No… I don’t speed. We could go back and forth all night. Let’s just go ahead and say you’re the liberal and I’m the conservative. Neither of us is going to change the others’ mind….. we can agree to disagree or not…. doesn’t really matter to me one way or the other.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
I guess a better question is
why is Weed illegal and cigarettes and cigars aren’t?
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 11, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
and I don't smoke either...
just thought I’d add that.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 11, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
too much tax money would be lost
So many tax dollars would be lost on the ban of cigarettes. The Federal Government makes more money a day on tobacco tax than the average family earns in a year. Most people do not inhale cigars. And in the 80’s a study was done that showed tobacco pipe smokers lived longer than those who do not smoke at all. My only problem with pot is for most kids it leads to a more deadly drug. But Holmes is making a damn good living playing football and needs to obey the league’s rules.
Funny!!!
The ladder theory! I thought that one had been gone since the 50s, but I guess it’s like a rash, it just keeps coming back! That “theory” has been disproved a looooong time ago. There is no such thing as a gateway drug. Weed doesn’t lead you to take other drugs. Unless you count donuts and cookies! Weed was made illegal for socio-political reasons, health had nothing to do with it…
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P.S.
wbf1230 I meant no offense at all, by the way, there is so much crap out there we all are victims of urban legends and the like. It’s just that one just makes me laugh whenever it resurfaces…
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Please elaborate on this
I’m not in law enforcement (although I was married to a cop) but I’m one of the “ones” who was lead to believe in the ladder theory.
Here’s how it was explained to me: Begins with marijuana because it’s inexpensive, accessible, a misdemeanor in most places (based on amount and if it’s intended for distribution) and even someone without a green thumb can grow it. Entry-level drug of choice.
Of course now that times have changed and teen’s have turned to their own parents’ medicine cabinets as their intro to the high-life, I can see where weed has slipped a few notches.
Steelfrog, debunk the Urban Legend for me if you wouldn’t mind!
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
I can only give anecdotal evidence but of the individuals I have known to smoke pot/hash over the course of my lifetime (numbering in the several dozens), the only ones who had turned to other drugs had under-laying mental health issues such as FAS. Many lost interest in pot as they matured to the point that I do not know anyone (other than those with pre-existing conditions) who still use pot/hash.
I see far far greater damage being done by alcohol abuse where I live. FAS is said have reached epidemic levels in some areas of the province. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome easily becomes a multi-generational problem. I personally know one woman who has given birth to 7 children, 6 of whom have FAS and the 7 suffers from FAE. The economic cost to the province of each FAS victim is estimated to be $1 million.
I am not advocating the use of pot/hash but I think there are far greater problems that need solving. Demonizing people for using pot distracts from things that do need our attention (anyone driving while stoned should, at the very least, lose their drivers license though).
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 12, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
No question regarding alcohol
The number of deaths associated with alcohol is staggering. Needless deaths. I absolutely agree that FAS is probably one of the most devastating issues that is so widely overlooked. Clearly the victims are the most innocent: the children.
I don’t think anyone is demonizing those who chose to use weed; but I will take exception to anyone who romanticizes it. I am not for the legalization for recreational use.
Is there a valid, useful place for it in medicine…certainly and it is a scientifically proven fact that it can and does ease the pain in patients suffering from cancer.
I know this is a hotbed for both sides of the equation and passions will flare… I appreciate your viewpoint.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
In a nutshell
I can elaborate more at another time if you will, but essentially the first assumption here is that “drugs” (as in illegal drugs) are all linked somehow. And that doing one is tantamount to wanting to do them all, so you would start with the most accessible one and move up.
Since millions of marijuana users have had the opportunity and never “moved up”, this “empirical” assumption is dodgy. Also the chemical difference between marijuana and opiates both in composition and effect on the brain are such that one could just as easily make a case for alcohol, tobacco or painkillers as gateway drugs.
Now if you need formal research and references, I could look up my old college papers in the den, but basically, that’s the jist of it to my best recollection…
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but
wouldn’t a bunch of tax money be gained if weed was legal? The problem is they drummed up so much bad press about weed, when cigarettes are more dangerous, that they now have to pretend that weed is worse than tobacco. Also I’ve never known weed to shorten your life span, just make you forget stuff.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 11, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
I’ve done an extensive paper on prohibition in America in university, I won’t get into details, but there would be a huge amount of money saved/made by either decriminalizing or legalizing marijuana. This is a huge social topic not really appropriate here, but there are really good reasons why prohibition should be reconsidered…
Next up : Rooney family facing RICO charges. Franchise sold to Disney who appoints Hannah Montana as GM and moves the team to L.A. The team is to be called The Glitters.
get used it pot is going to legal in this country in about 5 years
California has a good chance to pass legalizing it this year. After that other states will follow. Also if it helps take the buzz off then it is okay.
by steeler_in_maryland on Apr 11, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
you MD folks just legalized it
I’m wondering when we will see an NFL player that gets it prescribed for back pain or something in a legal state that also fails a drug test. What will happen then? I guess it depends on employment laws in the state. But I don’t see how they can suspend someone for a legal prescription. And I’m sure all NFL players have some sort of pain
California though talking about going the amsterdam route and making it completly legal.
by steeler_in_maryland on Apr 11, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
California
With legalization of Marijuana CA could solve all their budget problems, create a bunch of jobs and empty large portions of the prison population, clearing space for real hardened criminals that are released back into the population so they can hold a stoner instead.
On top of that California could put a serious crimp in the illegal border crossings as drug/people smugglers would be more apt to use AZ and TX crossings where their drugs are worth more $$$. By using AZ they could deal with a real public servant like Sheriff Joe, instead of Mayor Villarigosa. This in turn would free up even more financial resources to attack CA steep debt.
Of course the Mayor would just find a way to spend/waste it all anyway and continue to tax us to death so never mind.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
Drip...Drip...Drip...
Bucket in place collecting all the sarcasm so you can use it again. That stuff never goes bad.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
Pot exports to the US
were one of British Columbia’s major cash crops a few years ago. Completely illegal although hemp is grown legally in Manitoba for fibre and as an oilseed (not hash oil). The hemp grown here has extremely low THC content. It is not possible to get high smoking it.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 11, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it completely legal in Amstedam?
I thought there were rules against holding over a certain quantity and against selling pot and hash (which used to be much more common there). I just thought the police never bothered enforcing those rules as they were too busy chasing the heroin traffickers (my knowledge of Amsterdam is probably decades out of date).
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 11, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not
It’s decriminalized. There’s a difference. But it’s still a bit more formal than just live and let live, though…
Next up : Rooney family facing RICO charges. Franchise sold to Disney who appoints Hannah Montana as GM and moves the team to L.A. The team is to be called The Glitters.
only in certain parts of the city. And it is completely legal.
If you are outside the designated areas you will get arrested I heard
by steeler_in_maryland on Apr 11, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
God this is like an ocean of terror
wave after relentless wave of BS crashing against the hull of the Steeler Nation. We can’t even enjoy one weekend with an apparent victory without some new nonsense.
I’m starting to think Holmes is posturing himself to get traded.
Oh well, when I bought his SB MVP jersey I knew it had a shelf life. What’s the rules on wearing a SB MVP’s jersey when they have been traded but are still playing? I would think I get a special exemption from the traded player rule.
I guess I can wear my road #7 again now, albeit with some apprehension…
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Interesting...
I hadn’t thought of that before. The best comparison would be Deion Branch. He was traded pretty quickly after his Super Bowl MVP, and had a pretty bitter contract dispute before he left.
In fact…that sounds an awful lot like the path Santonio may be going down.
Did Patriots fans wear Deion Branch jerseys in 2006 – his first year with Seattle? The Jersey Rules Committee will meet and discuss this. ETA for an answer is right around the start of the preseason in the 2010 Jersey Rules update column.
by Neal Coolong on Apr 11, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
"The Jersey Rules Committee will meet and discuss this. ETA for an answer is right around the start of the preseason in the 2010 Jersey Rules update column."
I appreciate that. As long as I get my due process.
It’s a good jersey because it’s white and cool in the summertime in FL. I was hoping to wear it to the Steelers game at Raymond James Stadium this year.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
I like the home jerseys myself
I have a Hines Ward 86, just replica. One of these days I’ll bite the bullet and order a Woodson authentic throwback
Jack Ham for me please!
maybe in a year or two.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 11, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Just don't wear #7 within 25 miles of a "Mother-Daughter" event.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
Oh man...
that hurts…so funny…so painful…it’s sort of like watching OJ Simpson in the Naked GUn.
by Neal Coolong on Apr 11, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
lol :) That does kinda hurt watching now doesn't it? He had EVERYTHING....
Except the waiters head on a plate.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
"I’m starting to think Holmes is posturing himself to get traded."
I can’t believe I typed this the same day he gets traded. SHIT!
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
well
jsut start typing that the Steelers will win the Super bowl this year
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 12, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Holmes' Strategy Backfires
The ironic thing about the timing of this news is that Holmes’ lawyer appeared to be employing a legal/PR strategy to win the battle in the court of public opinion. Even before this news broke Holmes’ strategy appeared to be backfiring… Given the fact that this story seems to be spreading slowly, that likely means more bad news headlines about Holmes are set to come.
On to football matters – I too like the idea of trading him, but I doubt we’d get anything. The Eagles got a second round pick, two box tops, and a third or a fourth round pick for McNabb. This is for a QB whose been to five conference championship games and one Super Bowl.
With all of the legal trouble and possible suspension, I cannot imagine the Steelers getting more than a mid-round pick for Holmes, sad as it may be….
by Hombre de Acero on Apr 11, 2010 10:50 AM EDT reply actions
McNabb is McCrusty Bazillion year old.
’Tone is much younger, and on the rise as far as production, hardware, and experience.
Score one for ’Tone’s market value > McNabb.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
"With all of the legal trouble and possible suspension, I cannot imagine the Steelers getting more than a mid-round pick for Holmes, sad as it may be…."
winner!
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Time to trade Holmes
I think its time to trade Santonio on draft day . Its better to get a pick for him then to let him leave without any compensation at all . Trade him to the Raiders so he can appriciate what he had with the Steelers . Redskins need a top reciever and their are dumb enough to overpay with picks .
by steeltownprideinv on Apr 11, 2010 10:51 AM EDT reply actions
Sandoobio
will stick around Pittsburgh and hopefully show us how “you be great” in a contract year. He should put up HUGE numbers (not roll them) in his 12 games and help the Steelers to the Lombardi. Then he can go sign elsewhere for the big $$$ that the Redskins or Raiders will surely give him. The Steelers will then end up with a compensatory pick.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
Pay the man, Shirley...
…he’s right on the money.
I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson
With the 'new' rules in place, he's not unrestricted at the end of the season, is he?
That sure opens up quite a few scenarios….
Florio
I seem to remember that Florio was being ignored by Jets fans because of nonsense he had been spouting. Let’s not get our underwear hopelessly tangled before we see something from a real source.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 11, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess the angle so many people are taking here is, "Is it real? Has it been reported via a CREDIBLE source?"
I know, we should lay off him til it’s proven.
So my question is:
Do ANY of you doubt we’ll be having this thread/debate running at SOME POINT in the near future anyway?
IT’S GOING TO HAPPEN, whether now or later.
Dude’s a half smoked blunt that wasn’t put out in your kids bedroom. It’ll still be found out.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
better not be
We live in a smoke free house.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 11, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
he's gone
If they don’t trade ‘Tone, this will be his last season in the Burgh. Look how many WRs they’ve brought in over the last 2 weeks? D Bryant, Benn, Tate, others. They’ll be fine for 4 games w/ Wallace, Ward & ARE …. and maybe Sweed develops …. and Battle is actually pretty solid #4 if healthy.
So either they trade ’Tone on 4/22 or 4/23 (for 2nd rounder at best) or they play out the string and he walks next offseason. He CAN and WILL be replaced, IMO.
Is this true
Is this report true? I noticed that the source says Holmes was named mvp in Pittsburgh’s 27-24 victory over Arizona in Superbowl 42. Steelers defeated Cards 27-23 in Superbowl 43. So with those two errors are we to believe the post?
I wrote it in a hurry!
And the sources aren’t mine. PFT broke the story, I just put it up here for the debate.
by Neal Coolong on Apr 11, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the reply
I guess things like that happen. I do think you for replying and and clarifying that up. I was thinking (wishing) that the sources were wrong.
it hasnt been PROVEN it's true yet
but i’m impressed you’re the only one who noticed the score & superbowl number. i totally missed it
True
Like T1mmy said, it’s not confirmed, but he did say “multiple sources,” and Florio is pretty well-connected. He’s also not saying “the league suspended him,” he’s saying people told him he violated the substance abuse policy again. Important distinction there for a reporter.
by Neal Coolong on Apr 12, 2010 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok so heres the deal on tone
1. He is probably going to get suspended 4 games. this leak would have been squashed already otherwise.
2. We will NOT trade tone. He is too valuable to the teams chances this year. We dont have enough new WRs in play to trade him. even for a 2nd,
3. what we know… he had weed in car 2008 and case dropped due to other circumstances. He has been in trouble several times and got off scott free.
4. The vip room glass throw scene will disappear also. Tone either paid off some duge major bank to admit throwing a glass or the dude just stepped up and admitted it. either way that is disappearing.
5. the real probem is attitude and weed. i.e. hes starting to sound like a habitual ricky williams but with a worse attitude. and the attitude is coming out on his twitter account. He told one person to kill themself, he told the world he is getting stoned…etc…
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So what do we do with tone? With the 4 game suspension looming that means he likely missed other drug tests and was fined. this 4 game thing looming may be another of same….so he may not even have been found with anything in system. but evasion means guilt we all know.
This is what I propose the STEELERS do.
First and foremost they should demand tone permanently shut down his twitter account, facebook, myspace, ie unplug completely.
Second internally require him to drug test more often. In house.
Third ….well after the 4 game suspension id not have the team de activate him further. So at that point I would if I were the rooneys ASK him to get involved in community events if he is not alreadly. mike wallace as a rookie is already involved in big girls sports something or other…. mike wallace is a high character guy.
After all that if he doesnt oblige and if he keeps up twittering stupid comments we may wish to trade him AFTER this season.
This would mean drafting TWO capable receivers. one this draft and one next. ie a 3rd round WR this year and a 1st or 2nd rd WR next year IF the steelers feel they dont want to keep tone.
hines is getting old. we need to invest that much in WRs the next two years because BIG BEN is a passing beast. we cant tie his hands with just a wallace and scrubs the next few years.
whether or not sweed turns it up this year is irrelevant. He scares me with his pyschological issues and non injury benching last year.
If the steelers take a wait and see attitude this draft and dont address WR then next year if tone goes I see us taking a 1st on a WR and if traded we get a 2nd for tone and use that also on a WR.
Ben is INNOCENT!
Well said
This makes sense
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 11, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
waiting for your list in the music post momma. very interested in the music professional’s opinion.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
She probably likes sea shanties
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIwzRkjn86w
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 11, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreeing with Momma
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 11, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess
it should be we shouldn’t lol
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 12, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
If he's innocent....
Where’s his tweets blasting the media, blasting Goodell, blasting the system, maintaining his innocence?
If he has time to tweet when he wakes up in the morning over getting baked, he sure as heck has time to tweet to defend himself and say the story’s all wrong.
Think about it. His silence is the biggest story here. He’s done.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
I’m guessing Tone is laying off the twitter for a while.
“He’s done?” come on. His agent probably just told him to keep quiet. Common procedure.
Like I said...breaking news is Holmes is traded. I said he's done, I believed it, turned out to be true.
And believe me…I’d rather be wrong about all this, but I’m not. This sucks.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
What a great player and character you guys have there. Santokin Holmes.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Yes he does. But he is officially a dumbass. Don’t want to hear any excuses next year of “well if we had Holmes we would have won” This won’t be an injury, it will be his fault and idiotic actions.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Damn you MaLoR. I hate it when you're right.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
You might be the first person on here to ever say I was right.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Considering my opinion(s) are very unpopular these days, I don’t think I’d print it out and ask your mom to put it in your Little MaLoR Baby Book under great accomplishments. Just sayin’…..
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
I didn't say you were right
I’m saying the words you wrote could harbor in the port of truth. They get the credit, not you. =)
by Neal Coolong on Apr 12, 2010 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions
We throw our trash out, Malor.
You guys should try it sometime.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
well
when we play you guys and Tone is suspended, he can just go hang with Phelps in his cozy Raven box (he’s always at the games).
Yup, America’s greatest athlete is Baltimore born. Does that upset you?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
No but he not Americas greatest athlete
would have to give that honor to Michael Jordon,m Tiger Woods, or another athlete. Phelps will be forgotten nationally after he retires from competitive swimming. i only say this because nobody in America considers swimming a sport. The last guy to do what Phelps did not have any fame after his accomplishment. Just look at what Summer Sanders was doing after she left that nick show and before she ended up on Celebrity Apprentice.
this is not to belittle Phelp’s accomplishment but really there are better athletes. We can only pray that he does not end up like Bruce Jenner.
by steeler_in_maryland on Apr 11, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
At the moment, Phelps is the best athlete in the world. Tiger has lost it because he listened to Roethlisburger. MJ is retired. The best current athlete who actually plays a sport is Phelps.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
So Tiger wanting poon tang is bad ??
Perhaps because he is getting some and your not makes you jealous. Granted cheating on your is very wrong but she knew what he was like when they got married so I really have no sympathy for her.
Also you have been listing to the local news too much. They promote Kimmy Miser and Phelps around like they saved the world or something like that.
by steeler_in_maryland on Apr 11, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a different between having sex casually and not being able to get through a day without having sex. Tiger was a sex addict, not your average Joe. And what do I have to do with Tiger’s situation? I am jealous because he has a mental problem and can’t control himself?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I don't think he is a sex addict. Some guys just like to screw a lot
George Clooney and other hollywood stars do the same thing and they are not in therapy for sex addiction. In fact I do not even think he went to therapy because what type of clockwork orange treatment did they give him in four weeks. If he really had a problem he would still be in therapy.
The therapy was a way to make peace with the media. The guy just likes to screw a lot plain and simple.
by steeler_in_maryland on Apr 11, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
FYI
best athlete? Lebron James…. how can you forget about this guy?
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 11, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Tiger thing is racial
because white people do not like black people sleeping with white women
by steeler_in_maryland on Apr 11, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't remember
anyone complaining about his wife being white. He is getting the attention because he is the best by a huge margin, and has been for several years, at a popular high profile sport and because he had a squeaky clean image prior to this.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 11, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
the women he is sleeping with are all white
maybe it is one those things that nobody knows that they are thinking it but in the back of their minds they are
by steeler_in_maryland on Apr 11, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to have to disagree on this. As an Athlete we are looking at who is the best/most athletically talented athlete in the country. I’m not going with a guy who can swim really fast several ways. He’s the worlds best swimmer and our most dominant winner of our current athletes, but the best athlete? I’d take a good number of people over him.
by Phantaskippy on Apr 12, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
America's greatest athletes drive cars around an oval track.
We all know this is fact. C’mon.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
No but he not Americas greatest athlete
I would have to give that honor to Michael Jordon,m Tiger Woods, or another athlete. Phelps will be forgotten nationally after he retires from competitive swimming. i only say this because nobody in America considers swimming a sport. The last guy to do what Phelps did not have any fame after his accomplishment. Just look at what Summer Sanders was doing after she left that nick show and before she ended up on Celebrity Apprentice.
this is not to belittle Phelp’s accomplishment but really there are better athletes. We can only pray that he does not end up like Bruce Jenner.
by steeler_in_maryland on Apr 11, 2010 10:27 PM EDT reply actions
Trade Holmes Now
IF the reports are true, Holmes has appaently faied to show up for drug tests THREE times. And this was after the car ashtray incident a year and 1/2 earlier. He’s a longer suspension waiting to happen. Cut the loss now, trade for a draft choice and take his replacement this year. There are a several good receivers that should be available in the 3rd round, which I think someone would offer. As good as Holmes may be, remember that Ben is throwing him the ball, he’s the key. The “greatest catch ever” in the Super Bowl was duplicated a year later by Wallace. Plenty of WRs can make those catches if the ball is there.
Phineas the Fognosticator! :)
You called it. I knew this was going to happen, just not for something so low as a 5th rounder.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
Anyone other than PFT reporting this but i would doubt though
by steeler_in_maryland on Apr 11, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
peter king confirmed on twitter
he’s a “legit” reporter (theoretically)
by dankdiggety on Apr 11, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It's on the Trib site
as well, so it looks like it’s for real…
"You learn more in failure than you do in success." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Apr 12, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Who did we get for him??
Also this may have been coming for a long time and this is the last straw
by steeler_in_maryland on Apr 11, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
stupid move on the FO part
unless Holmes was really doing bad that we do not know about
by steeler_in_maryland on Apr 11, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah a fifth round is MUCH too low. There has to be something we don’t know.
by dankdiggety on Apr 11, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Per Peter King Twitter
# Santonio Holmes, who just turned 26, for the 151st pick in the draft. I’ll tell you what this is: A shot across the bow to Big Ben. 7 minutes ago via TweetDeck
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
I don't mind trading him
but accepting a 5th rounder just to get rid of him is ridiculous. Unless he’s going to miss significant time, like way more than 4 games, he’s still more valuable than a 5th rounder. THey could have at least waited till draft day or something for a team that was desperate to move up or down or who wanted a receiver that didn’t fall to them. I can’t even make fun of the Browns for shipping off Quinn for so little now.
in billionaire russian playboys we trust.
maybe he was sweeds problem. Sweed could have been smoking with him too much
by steeler_in_maryland on Apr 11, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this was a long time coming
I bet Holmes is going to be in jail for awhile
by steeler_in_maryland on Apr 11, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
there is no way the jets would give up anything for a guy who is going to be in jail
by Jason Brynsvold on Apr 11, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
teams care about late picks more than you would imagine
why would they trade a 5th rounder for a guy who will be going to jail?
by Jason Brynsvold on Apr 11, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I do think teams care about 5th rounders
but I imagine they’d be willing to spend a 5th rounder on a high upside flyer. They don’t neccessarily know one way or another if he’s going to jail and/or facing a long suspension, but it would make sense for them to trade the 5th rounder on the gamble when the pay-off is a wide out with Holmes type of talent. I don’t think the steelers traded him because they absolutely know he’s going to jail, but they might think there’s like a 30/70(or some arbitrary numbers close enough to be considered a gamble) chance of him facing a suspension longer than 4 games. So rather than keeping him and facing getting no return they sold low.
in billionaire russian playboys we trust.
this is a logical explination for sure
it just pains me to see us give him up
by Jason Brynsvold on Apr 12, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
could be someone we do not know about maybe we are getting Tebow
sorry just had to say that
by steeler_in_maryland on Apr 12, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
even sweed
is worth more than a 5Rd.
Carpe Diem Limas.
"Availability is a good ability." - Mike Tomlin
Like I said shipping him off makes sense
although as far as I know he’s never caused problems in the locker room so I don’t see how he’s a cancer, but shipping him off, and basically giving him up for nothing are too separate things. This seems like a knee jerk reaction “we have to get rid of him immediately” type thing. I don’t care that they traded him I agree if he failed 3 drug tests he’s just a complete dumb ass and needs to go, I care that they traded him for a 5th rounder.
Of course if he misses way more than 4 games then it’s a completely different situation.
in billionaire russian playboys we trust.
Steelers Need Lots Of Stuff
They need DB help and now they need a WR. They got almost NOTHING for him. The Steelers need all kinds of stuff. The one thing they didn’t need is what he has been bringing them. Stupid Twitter after stupid Twitter. Failed drug tests. Altercations in night clubs. Domestic dispute. Busted with blunts. He was just like Plax. He was never going to learn…Cancer.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
May be one of the best comments ever by King.
Also, I don’t believe it’s for Ben alone.
Think about it: Our reputation getting drug in the dirt, and we take a stand. What other franchises can say the same? Not the Bungles. Not the Purple Browns. No one. We got rid of the bum, good riddance, see ya, enjoy your limelight on the “Big Stage” of Ney Yawk.
Remember: the only Big Stage that matters moves around every year, and the winner takes home a Lombardi. Won’t be something ’Tone will ever be doing again.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
Won’t be something ’Tone will ever be doing agai
really?
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 12, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless Holmes is going to be banned for the entire year
a 5th rounder is ridiculous.
in billionaire russian playboys we trust.
Makes me wonder if there’s something we don’t know about the criminal case on top of his 4-game suspension.
In other words, Maybe he’s gonna miss more than 4 games…
by iBleedBlack&Gold on Apr 11, 2010 11:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It does not make sense unless Holmes really did something bad
The fact that we took Randle El back to me says that this was a long time coming. Something says that he is going to miss way more then four games
by steeler_in_maryland on Apr 11, 2010 11:46 PM EDT reply actions
Agreed, on ARE ...
Yup, signing both Battle and ARE, and then bringing in Dez Bryant for a look …. I thought we could get 3rd rounder for him, but don’t forget, R Moss went for 4th rounder 3 years ago. Hmmm?
A 5 does seem light.
And Darnell Jackson went for a 2nd
Deion Branch went for a first, the problem is the time when we traded him. Most teams aren’t going to give up much right before the draft, it’s not until during the draft or after the draft/camps when they haven’t been able to address a major hole.
in billionaire russian playboys we trust.
ARE
did say he was going to be the #3 when he came in. I was like “what is he talking about. He ain’t beating Wallace.” but ARE knew. And so did Holmes. That’s why he was misbehaving so bad. He knew he was on the way out.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
Missing three straight drug tests?
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
I am a student at OKState
and I can tell you that all of these article about Bryant’s character are bullshit. He has never done anything wrong, and was never late to games or anything like that. He might not be the smartest kid out there but he is one hell of an athlete. He doesn’t carry all of the baggage like people say and I really do think he will be a stud in the NFL. I really hope the Steelers draft him! When Tomlin sees this kids talent, they wont pass him up
Rooney's and the FO made a very clear statement
I support you 100% on this. No one is irreplaceable and character DOES make a difference. We’ll find the diamond in the rough in round 5.
Later, Santonio. I won’t forget the magic you brought to the ’Burgh…. but I hope you straighten up and fly right. Too much talent to waste away in teenage wasteland. I really do wish you well.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
when was the last time we found anyone worth a roster spot after the 3rd round?
We don’t exactly have a great track record in recent history.
in billionaire russian playboys we trust.
Anything we find
beats a fabulous player who is suspended or in jail. Find a team to give you ANYTHING for a player who can’t play. I’ll take my chances on a 5th rounder with nothing more than a pulse and hopefully 5 fingers on each hand that a football fits nicely in.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
well several actually...
2009- Joe Burnett, Frank Summers
2008- Dennis Dixon
2007- William Gay
Certainly not Pro Bowlers, but not automatic throw aways either.
Also, a few recent diamonds in the 5th round rough include WR’s Johnny Knox & Steve Breaston, and TE’s Kevin Boss & Brent Celek.
"Availability is a good ability." - Mike Tomlin
If I remember right...Willie P? Silverback? Both undrafted?
Technically after the 3rd round.
"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58
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